User talk:DuncanHill/Archives/2016/May

Category:Tavistcok
Good call on the category move. I forgot to request that to be moved. Thanks. I wonder whether such a move could be applied to Plymouth, as according to our own policy, categories should follow the same naming guidelines as articles.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  22:08, 2 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I'll have a look and nominate it for renaming, along with any subcats. DuncanHill (talk) 22:19, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

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Emma Farman Gifford
Hello! You requested the move of Emma Lavinia Gifford to Emma Gifford, so I am hoping you know more about it. The article is currently somewhat mysterious, since the only full name it mentions, apart from the first sentence and the infobox is the "Farman" version. Where does "Lavinia" come from? Or, since "Lavinia" sounds like a girl's name and "Farman" doesn't, where does the "Farman" come from? Can you elucidate? (I'm watching here) Imaginatorium (talk) 09:38, 7 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Ooh well spotted! Her mother's maiden name was Farman. I've seen one or two websites call her Emma Farman Gifford, but it does seem unusual. As for Lavinia, that is well attested as being in memory of an aunt who died in infancy. I'll edit the article. DuncanHill (talk) 14:50, 7 February 2016 (UTC)


 * It looks like some old vandalism had mangled her mother's name into hers. I've restored the sentence as it was before the vandalism. Also spotted that the vandals had doubled the number of Gifford children, and sent Tom and Emma to Dartington Hall for their honeymoon. Have you heard the story of Thomas taking her to the morgue on their honeymoon in Paris? I don't have a reference to hand but when I turn one up I think it might be worth adding to both articles. Thanks again for asking about the name, without your question the old vandalism might have endured even longer. DuncanHill (talk) 15:33, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Borlase Smart
Hi Duncan, thanks for you efforts continuing with (Robert) Borlase Smart -Nick Yadsalohcin (talk) 12:52, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Wow. Just wow.
I read the comments you made about me in 2012 quite by accident. Nothing like kicking a man while they are down, eh? No consideration of a severe period of depression, nor that they made a mistake. You are a serious jerk. I really think you quite enjoyed it, given that I had left for good and remain that way. Ah well, at least I can tell you what I think of you, what are they going to do, block me? Muhahaha! You can't block a person who has left for good. So stick that in your hat and smoke it, you incredible jerk :-) Now, go report me to WP:AN/I like a good little editor. - 203.217.45.196 (talk) 20:31, 20 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Compared to you I'm rather more than a "good little editor". I hope you get the help you need, DuncanHill (talk) 20:40, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Blisland
Blisland/Edward-Collins - thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Severndroog (talk • contribs) 17:48, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Ref desk protection headers
Duncan, hi. While generally supportive of your adding the template to the desks when they're protected, could you make sure to (a) put it inside the section, and (b) leave a blank line after it? It messes up the transclusion otherwise. Thanks. Tevildo (talk) 22:40, 23 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I'll try to remember, but it would be better if the protecting admins, or their cheerleaders, did it in the first place. DuncanHill (talk) 22:44, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

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 * No I didn't, the link was already there. DuncanHill (talk) 10:27, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Regharding...
...this attack - did you even look at the problem the admin was dealing with? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:14, 3 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I did, and saw and still see no reason whatsoever for the admin to fail to add the template. It is disruptive to good-faith IP editors and new accounts not to have the template, and any admin should know that. DuncanHill (talk) 19:16, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Then you should remind the admin directly, and gently, rather than attacking him in the edit summary. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:33, 3 April 2016 (UTC)


 * That is your opinion. Good day. DuncanHill (talk) 20:37, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Your treating trolls like honored guests while treating good-faith editors like garbage is a lot more disruptive than an admin's very minor mistake of forgetting the "lock" template. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:42, 3 April 2016 (UTC)


 * "Your treating trolls like honored guests while treating good-faith editors like garbage..." - so the lie direct is the best you can manage. Please do not post here again. DuncanHill (talk) 20:45, 3 April 2016 (UTC)


 * , thank you for the protection. As a fellow admin, I understand it's not easy to so many things at once--block vandals, investigate article histories and protect pages when attacked by Nazis, and cook dinner at the same time. I have no problem with you not placing that protection template whatsoever. I am sure that editors of good faith (I'm on the talk page of one of them, no doubt), are more than happy to place that template there or propose that some bot take care of it. Thank you also to, who seems to not mind so much doing the little housekeeping things that make all of our lives so much easier. Drmies (talk) 23:45, 3 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Hum. Well, I will continue to add the template when required, as not to do so is disruptive and unfair to IPs and new editors. I wouldn't go so far as to say I was happy about it, as it seems to me to require a minimum of effort on the part of the protecting admin to do so himself. Perhaps the instructions admins get when they hit the "protect" button could include a gentle reminder, or even better a "click here", to add the template? It is also helpful to all editors to have the template, for protection makes more work for all, as the talk page needs to be watched so that edit requests can be responded to. With that said, I will add that this thread seems to me to have been inspired more by one particular editor's chagrin at being caught in error, rather than any real offence, especially considering that editor's history at the RefDesks. DuncanHill (talk) 08:45, 4 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I was under an impression that there was a bot automatically adding the protection templates. Looks like I was wrong, or that the bot functionality has been disabled. I'll keep that in mind. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 17:03, 4 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks Mike, I think there's a bot that removes it, but I haven't seen any evidence of one adding the template to the RefDesks for a long time, if ever. DuncanHill (talk) 17:07, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I am sure we had a bot, though lately I've seen Tbhotch place those templates. Drmies (talk) 18:35, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry that this particular "user" hasn't worked out that all this "semi-protection" horseshit isn't working. It's odd to see a few individuals who you would think had a semblance of experience here continually battle against the symptoms and not try to fix the issue. Still, as Gump said, "stupid is as stupid does". Exemplified in spades here by some of our parochial editors. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:33, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * : "..unless you intended to be disruptive" I think that all those who replied here have been really, really nice. Even if you think you are correct, I think there is a better way about getting your point across, especially to a larger audience (other admins on Wikipedia), rather than shooting people in your edit summaries. I think that whatever your noble cause or insistence on the truth, that's just POV-pushing to me. And terible civility at that. Oh, and, please do not tell people to get off your talk page. Optakeover (U)(T)(C) 06:04, 9 April 2016 (UTC)


 * POV pushing? Not by any stretch of the imagination. And if someone comes here to lie about me, then I will ask them to stay away, and I will revert on sight any posts they make. DuncanHill (talk) 10:52, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, POV pushing. To me, at least to me (to be fair) POV doesn't just mean article content. You suggest a way that things on Wikipedia should be done (pp template), and honestly airing your disagreement on that matter via edit summary is not cool; thankfully your way of doing is not disruptive, and I know you are not that kind of editor. Anyway, the horse is dead. I've not nothing against you. Please do have fun on Wikipedia. Optakeover (U)(T)(C) 13:13, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

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Page protection
Thank you for adding that "pp" template on the Humanities ref desk page - you beat me to it. :) Shouldn't that "pp" come automatically with page protection? I have raised the question at the talk page. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:20, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Category:Camel catchment
Hi Duncan, thanks for restoring the key on this category page - I'd removed it by accident! You may be interested in a discussion questioning these catchment/basin categories at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers. --Bermicourt (talk) 07:27, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

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 * One of Wikipedia's more idiotic, unhelpful, and widely ignored rules. DuncanHill (talk) 19:44, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
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Eslam Refaie
Looks like possible SPI on the page Eslam Refaie, as both of those editors have only edited the same pages (which one is doing a COI with also), might want to watch over them right now. Wgolf (talk) 21:07, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

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NEELIX REDIRECTS
oops caps on. I should like to explain why I say what I say over at ANI. I do believe this user is WP:HOUNDING me because whenever I edit something the editor removes it, does not say why or wherefore just removes it. I quite accept that at RfD it can seem like flooding but I am trying not to do that but on a Saturday or Sunday very few of the regulars are around so that is why it looks like flooding it. I have great respect for a lot of editors at RfD and it is a bit of a niche and we all have our own specialities User:Lenticel I think is Filipino I have no idea never checked that user's page but is very good at East Asian redirects, User:Plantdrew and User:Peter coxhead are very good at taxonomy when I think something is bollox in Greek or Latin. User:Tavix does a lot of sweeping up, I haven't seen User:Ivanvector for a while at RfD which I miss him cos he often sweeps up when I make a mistake and is very handy when we need to distinguish between British English and Canadian English. I simply do not understand why this was taken to WP:ANI when I am not an admin. I do have a talk page., In fact the editor taking it to ANI I asked either on my talk page or that user's to discuss it first but there is no pleasing some people. I deliberately try not to flood RfD but over the weekends most people have better things to do than edit Wikipedia, so that is why I list stacks of WP:G6 Neelix concession redirects while other people are doing something else. I list them with a bit of a British smile because it must be as hard for the admins deleting them as it is hard for me to list them.

I am sorry to be so serious. If you want really you can check WT:RFD that I am sometimes asking can we take out this, can we make this shorter. I have made templates for RfD I do no what I am talking about. That is about getting consensus and it's fine, most editors don't check the talk page of RfD very often why should they, there is enough work on our hands without doing template editing. I am not trying to kinda beat you or anyone else with well use a sledgehammer to crack a nut but I think it is reasonable that I try to explain why I am doing it. I translated pretty much all the battles at the Hungarian Revolution of 1848 and put in the maps and had them stuck on my window to get the sunlight through bit of paper so I could get the coordinates. I do know what I am doing. Another good faith editor bugs me about my Bachelor griller because he wants one, in good faith and good humour. I am not saying I always get it right, I'm just trying to make it better. Si Trew (talk) 06:55, 9 May 2016 (UTC)


 * You have entirely missed the point I made at ANI about bad nominations and incomprehensible rationales. DuncanHill (talk) 15:52, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I am not looking at the WP:ANI. I am 'deliberately standing off of that one so that others decide. Si Trew (talk) 00:54, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

"Neelix redirect"
actually, as I have explained many times before, I am one of the biggest defenders of Neelix and believed he created these eighty thousand or so redirects in good faith. Mistakenly, perhaps, but show me a man who never made a mistake and I shall show you a liar.

The reason I say (neelix redirect) is because it is shorthand for regulars at RfD so that they can more quickly ascertain if it makes sense or not when I am not sure. Since the infamous User:Anomie/Neelix list is called the "neelix list" and lists thousands of redirects what else am I supposed to call it? I can call it a (üöüplüöüö redirect) if it pleases you but that is not going to help anyone. In no way does that blacken Neelix' name (and I have no idea what Neelix' real name is whereas I know that my real name is Simon Trew and it's my name that's getting blackened here; whether your real name is Duncan Hill I neither know nor care). I have stated that many times before. I have to call it something, that is what admins call it, that is what; that is why we have the WP:G6 "Neelix concession". No way am I blackening that user's name. I actually sit and keep many "Neelix redirects" that I believe are helpful to take them off the list. The words say quite specifically in G6 "admins are asked to add Neelix to their deletion rationale". You only have to look it up. I presume you have complained that every admin who has ever deleted a redirect with the rationale "Neelix" is also blackening that user's name? We're going to have quite a lot fewer admins then. (I'm not one, that is why I have to go via CSD.) Si Trew (talk) 00:46, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

thanks for the thanks at RfD
You can close this if you want as, it's a bit fiddly the first time but you use subst template and. I'm very very glad neither of us are coming in bad faith. I know or at least it seems that you are more of an inclusionist than me but believe me what I am trying to do is to think whether some redirects make it better or worse for readers to search, I am not just wandering around with a blunderbuss taking potshots at any old redirect. I can't always make the right call that is why I ask for WP:CONSENSUS. Some "Neelix redirects" are so obviously out of whack post-dreadnaughts for example that to waste people's time bringing them to RfD would be, er, a waste of their time. I'll help you out with the closure if you want. You've !voted I think but since it is withdrawn by me there's no problem with you closing it, it's not as if you are an interested party or anything. You also need to leave on the talk page referring back to the discussion. It's a fiddle perhaps there is a tool to do it but I do it all longhand hence my many mistakes. Si Trew (talk) 23:13, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Simon. I'll leave closing to someone else, I'm sure I'd faff it up. Best wishes, DuncanHill (talk) 13:46, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

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Surnames
Thanks for your message. I guessed EOTD's behaviour would end up in a block sooner or later. I haven't had the time to deal with this beyond a couple of cleanups of his nonsense, but there are more surname-related edits in his contribution history, including wholesale plagiarizing from houseofnames.com (as if citing that garbage wasn't bad enough).

There is a larger problem with the culture surrounding all these name articles, including widespread acceptance of substandard sources. Houseofnames.com alone is linked more than 440 times from Wikipedia. There is a WikiProject Anthroponymy, but it doesn't seem to have had a positive influence, possibly the opposite. --Hegvald (talk) 16:42, 26 May 2016 (UTC)