User talk:DunnsMainDeliFan

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Happy editing! I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 22:59, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

June 2023
 Your account has been indefinitely blocked from editing because of the following problems: the account has been used for advertising or promotion, which is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia, and your username indicates that the account represents a business, organisation, group, or web site, which is against the username policy.

You may request a change of username and unblock if you intend to make useful contributions instead of promoting your business or organization. To do this, first search Special:CentralAuth for available usernames that comply with the username policy. Once you have found an acceptable username, post the text  at the bottom of your talk page. Replace the text "Your proposed new username" with your new username and replace the text "Your reason here" with your reasons to be unblocked. In your reasons, you must: Appeals: If, after reviewing the guide to appealing blocks, you believe this block was made in error, you may appeal it by adding the text  at the bottom of your talk page. Replace the text "Your reason here" with the reasons you believe the block was an error, and publish the page. Kinu t/c 23:02, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Disclose any compensation you may receive for your contributions in accordance with the paid-contribution disclosure requirement.
 * Convince us that you understand the reason for your block and that you will not repeat the kind of edits for which you were blocked.
 * Describe in general terms the contributions that you intend to make if you are unblocked.


 * Based on your statement above, I now believe that you are editing in good faith. Given the concerns regarding both your previous and current usernames, I feel that a change in username would be a necessary condition of unblock to confirm that you have no conflict of interest here. -- Kinu t/c 23:32, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I might have to rename my account to something like "SmokedMeatLover". Guess I would not be able to use the names of the Montreal restaurants in my username (Main Deli Steak House, Dunn's, Bens De Luxe Delicatessen & Restaurant), although I meant this as a tribute to the now-closed establishments. DunnMainDeli (talk) 03:52, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * No reason not to use 'em, just make it clear you're not somehow representing any of them. It's about looks, not intent. So for example, DunMainDeliFan would make the looks problem go away. --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106;&#x1D110;&#x1d107; 04:01, 2 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I've changed the username. 331dot (talk) 08:18, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. However, I'm still blocked despite the change in username. DunnsMainDeliFan (talk) 12:17, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

{unblock|reason=The changed username does not seem to be in violation of any guidelines. DunnsMainDeliFan (talk) 13:12, 2 June 2023 (UTC)}}


 * Thank you. DunnsMainDeliFan (talk) 15:13, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Great! Thank you for your patience and understanding. Also, thanks to and  for handling the username change and unblock, respectively. -- Kinu  t/c 15:47, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Copying within Wikipedia requires attribution
Hi DunnsMainDeliFan! Thank you for your edits to Smoked meat. It looks like you've copied or moved text from Montreal-style smoked meat into that page, and while you are welcome to re-use the content, Wikipedia's licensing requires that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied in an edit summary at the page into which you've copied content, disclosing the copying and linking to the copied page, e.g.,. If you've copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, please provide attribution for this duplication if it has not already been supplied by another editor. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at Copying within Wikipedia. Thanks! DanCherek (talk) 02:24, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


 * To add to the above, your edit to Schwartz's has copied text from Bens De Luxe Delicatessen & Restaurant directly added to that page (see paragraph: "Smoked meat fans debated whether Schwartz's or Bens had the best smoked meat..."). I wrote most of that article back in 2007 (it was originally just a stub), though I believe it was an another editor who contributed that particular bit of text. As such, from working on that article often and closely years ago, I did recognize it when it appeared under Schwartz's. Please be sure to provide attribution it as well, thanks! --Apple2gs (talk) 02:39, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Inserting Quebec language politics into articles
Hello DunnsMainDeliFan. I thought I'd reach out to you concerning your recent edits to Schwartz's and Dunn's, and what's rapidly descending into an edit-war. You inserted sections in both articles (using identical text!), titled either "Bill 101" and "Quebec language dispute", that have little to no relevance to the articles in question. And beyond that, I found them written in a very slanted and personal point of view that I found offensive and antisemitic.

First it needs to be pointed out, Quebec's language laws have been around for almost 50 years, and have been a source of contention and division. They violate the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, as well as fundamental basic human rights as pointed out by the United Nations. They fall into the same category as the Jim Crow laws and need not be pasted to restaurant articles. Furthermore, these draconian and human right violating laws have been applied to ALL businesses and operations in Quebec, Dunn's and Schwartz's are not unique here, not by far. Nor is the incident of perceived antisemitism by the nationalistic Quebec government. The government (PQ/CAQ) has openly shown itself to be antisemitic on many an occasion (see: the "Matzah Gate" incident, or Bill 21--that bans teachers, doctors, police, etc from wearing Kepas or the Star of David on jewellery, or their harassment and targeting of the Hasidic community and schools during the pandemic. If you wish to add this information, please add it to the articles on Bill 101, Bill 96, not here.

I feel I need to quote what you added to previous edits: "several Jewish delicatessens ran afoul of the law" and "Dunn's got into trouble with Bill 101 for having the English term". Talking about the Jewish community running afoul, or getting 'in trouble' for fighting against these laws is a very slanted and POV form of writing.

I perceive what you've added as more a platform for these so-called laws, or a way of shaming for opposing them (as so many countless other business have done over the decades). Do we need to talk about Bill 101 for EACH and EVERY business that has fought a legal battle against these vitreous and hateful laws? No. If Dunn's and Schwartz's had been ground breaking legal cases, reported about internationally, I could perhaps see some relevance, but adding this in is just a way of shaming a specific group (Jewish persons) for as you say, running afoul of the law.

I have asked you several times to stop undoing my reverts and bring this to the Talk page of each article if you wish to discuss it, assuming it was a edit in good faith. If so, perhaps we can work in anything of relevance regarding the topic into the article(s), if it merits it. I welcome your edit contributions as long as they follow Wikipedia's guidelines and rules, and always happy to assist, I wouldn't want to see you blocked again which is why I'm reaching out. Thanks for your understanding!--Apple2gs (talk) 22:04, 7 June 2023 (UTC)


 * The problem with having the deli content solely in Bill 101 is that this completely omits the history as it applies particularly to Dunn's and Schwartz's establishments, who went to court to fight the order to change their store signs. Furthermore, Myer Dunn was instrumental in getting "smoked meat" as an official term in both languages, and that is quite groundbreaking. If you think it is POV then by all means you can tag it and rewrite it, but whitewashing this allegedly antisemitism is unacceptable. DunnsMainDeliFan (talk) 13:17, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Another way of saying it is that Dunn's and Schwartz's history is incomplete if Bill 101 is omitted, the language dispute is as relevant if not more relevant than change in ownership and location. I don't see this content as "shaming" a particular group since these delis had longstanding practices, rather it was to illustrate how overzealous the law was in disregarding tradition. Lastly the reader should not have to dig deep into Bill 101's article to find this content. DunnsMainDeliFan (talk) 13:31, 8 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply! I suggest we move this discussion into one or both articles (I think Schwartz's to start, as it likely has more editor traffic and others can give their thoughts). I'll set it up for you, and respond in a bit. Click on the 'Talk' tab and you'll find it there.--Apple2gs (talk) 00:40, 9 June 2023 (UTC)