User talk:Dunstansown

September 2020
Hello, I'm Materialscientist. I noticed that in this edit to Pat Buckley (priest), you removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Materialscientist (talk) 11:29, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Please stop adding unreferenced or poorly referenced biographical content, especially if controversial, to articles or any other Wikipedia page, as you did at Pat Buckley (priest). Content of this nature could be regarded as defamatory and is in violation of Wikipedia policy. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Girth Summit  (blether) 11:54, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi - just to follow up on the above automated notice - I recognise that you are new here, so you may not understand our policies just yet. You need to read our BLP policy, and RS, and DUE, if you are going to consider adding content like that to articles about living people. I'm not going to repeat the assertions here, because BLP applies to talk pages as well as to articles, but to be clear - assertions of that nature need much better sourcing than a tabloid newspaper and a blog. Bear in mind that the BLP policy is enforced strictly, you may be blocked from editing if you persist with this. Thanks Girth Summit  (blether)  11:59, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I have resubmitted the biographical content with a more reliable source... directly from Royal Courts of Justice. I would assume that this an official enough. Thank you Dunstansown (talk) 12:46, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , I don't think you read WP:BLP. From that policy: Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. Do not use public records that include personal details.... Girth Summit  (blether)  13:00, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Good Lord, this is not easy. First I used sources from a Tabloid Newspaper (OK - I get that!) AND Pat Buckley's OWN blog and it's not good enough. Now my source is a primary source and not allowed! I'm going to have to dig around to find something suitable. Dunstansown (talk) 13:05, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm hoping the BBC is considered a reputable source for the Pat Buckley article! Dunstansown (talk) 13:09, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * OK - so yes, editing BLPs is complicated if you're not familiar with our policies - that's why I gave you links to them. I strongly advise you to read them closely, not to guess at what might or might not be acceptable - that is too risky. We are cautious with articles about living people, and where there is doubt we prefer to err on the side of leaving information out rather than hosting content we're not certain about. So tabloids, celebrity gossip magazines and the like are not allowed, especially for information that might be contentious (like medical conditions), and primary sources which reveal personal information are also prohibited. His own blog might be permissible for certain things, but I'm more comfortable using a reliable secondary source such as the BBC article, which also allows us to establish weight and context. As you will see I have left the information in the article now, but I've moved it to the section about his sentencing, since that was the context in which it was mentioned by the beeb. Hope this makes sense - do please read those policies carefully. Girth Summit  (blether)  13:44, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

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