User talk:Durova/Archive 73

Question
Durova, would you be open to discussion on the MZM RfA? I have no desire to "badger", but if you are open to discussion I would enjoy the conversation. — Ched :  ? 00:04, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure what there is to discuss. I'm usually slow to form an opinion, firm (but not stubborn) about keeping it.  Is there relevant evidence I'm unaware of?  The main problem is communication skills, which seldom resolve at the swift interim since he walked away from the tools.  Check the Soxred report: I've opposed at RFA less than 10% of the time.  So if you have something, do tell, but unless it's seriously eye-opening don't expect me to be easy to persuade.  Time has more silver on its tongue.  Durova 306 00:17, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Durova, is the references I added to Kitsuné Maison Compilation 8 enough? I mean they are independent from the label and everything... so, what do you think? --Garnesson (talk) 13:31, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Durova, somewhat bemused by your suggestion that Screenonline links are somehow 'spam' or 'advertising'. You may not know that Screenonline is a non-profit website run by the British Film Institute, the organisation charged with presiding over Britain's film and TV heritage. The site is heavily used across UK education, and widely recognised as an authoritative source - often a primary source - on the history of British film and television (indeed a source frequently cited - and on occasion plagiarised - in Wiki entries), and offers expert and substantial contextualisation as well as, for users in UK educational establishments or public libraries, hundreds of hours of moving image material. As such it represents an excellent resource for Wiki visitors who wish to explore a subject in greater depth - rather more so, I would say, than IMDB or AllMovie, which are routinely linked to from Wiki film entries.

I'm a fan and regular Wikipedia user, and contribute entries myself, and I'm well aware of Wiki's strengths, but also of its weaknesses. Wiki is strong - or at least can be - on factual information, but understandably and necessarily limited on subjective but authoritative assessment or analysis. Unless you believe there's no place on WP for linking to informed, intelligent analysis elsewhere, I hope you'd acknowledge that it's worthwhile to refer visitors to sites where such trustworthy content exists.

If you look elsewhere on my discussion page, you'll see that your fellow editor Steve Crook, an acknowledged expert on British cinema actually created the tool to enable easy addition of these links in recognition of Screenonline's value to Wiki users. Can I therefore respectfully ask that you reconsider your position? -- Cheesemite (talk) 16:06, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Somewhat bemused by your out of section post which either hadn't read the existing discussion about your edits or ignored it. Nowhere did I suggest that the site itself is not reliable.  It's your behavior that's the problem.  For several months you did nothing other than add one particular site as an external link to a large number of articles.  That is spamming.  See WP:SPAM.  You are very welcome to expand the articles and use that site as a reference.  But that wasn't what you were doing.  Durova 362 16:15, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Image Mount Aso Naka dake


Would you be interested in helping me get the image to featured images on Wikimedia commons as per Franamax recommendation? Igor Berger (talk) 17:39, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It'd stand a better chance at English Wikipedia FPC, due to encyclopedic value. A bit removed from the work I typically do: try Picture peer review first.  Durova 306 19:08, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That sounds good. But how I go about getting the review? Do I feel it out myself or do I need someone to nominate the picture? I guess I should ask Franamax if he/she would nominate my pic? Igor Berger (talk) 19:44, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You put it up yourself, watch the reviews, and decide whether to take it to FPC. Durova 306 20:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok Picture peer review/Mount Aso Naka dake Igor Berger (talk) 20:51, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Featured_picture_candidates/Baa,_Baa,_Black_Sheep

 * Thankee. :) Durova 306 03:10, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Walter Johnson and Calvin Coolidge
Time to update that count. :)

I got that message because I was the nom, but you definitely deserve a big giant hunk of credit. Staxringold talkcontribs 13:22, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ty :) Durova 307 14:43, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I chose this one
User_talk:Mitchazenia Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:01, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Once in a blue moon
Regarding "Once in a blue moon somebody who has no hands-on experience with this work develops very strange ideas about it, usually declaring very loudly that what we're doing is wrong and attempting to dictate a specific set of parameters that don't work. It's been several months since the last so perhaps we were due. This is the first occasion it's landed at Jimbo's user talk. Apologies if the response isn't quite on the ball; someone pinged me as soon as I logged on this morning. Am composing this while drowning in the first cup of morning coffee." from Jimbo's page, I would like to respond here rather than there to avoid broad advertisement of what some might perceive as a developing conflict between us. I first need to explain that I am not "somebody who has no hands-on experience with this work" and then you can tell me what you think those strange ideas are. I have been working from the commercial printing side of this issue since really the late seventies, when I first worked as a night production manager at The Observer, the student daily at the University of Notre Dame. I made a few cropping decisions, nothing major and of course all the work was done through the use of a large production camera with the copyboard at the lens end and the exposure system film holder within the darkroom. I tried briefly to find an article or image to better describe one but you probably understand the equipment I am discussing. Over the course of the following thirty years I have progressed from using those type of large cameras well into the nineties to using Photoshop on the Macintosh starting in the eighties until now, and I also have begun working with GIMP. My work included making many of the decisions you discuss at Jimbo's page about exposure, scratches and the like with both monochrome and color images. I have an expert level understanding of the work involved in restoration with years of hands-on experience. Within the past ten years I have actually worked with art directors at major Boston advertising agencies (Arnold Worldwide, Hill Holliday) on several projects involving nationally published images for products including Volkswagen, Acushnet Company, John Hancock Insurance, you get the idea. I just need for you to understand that I am appreciative of your work on a professional level and have done quite a bit of it myself when working with client markups of modern images. I could go into further detail if needed. Bottom line: I know that much more than a few minutes of passing an image through a few preset filters is involved.

Regarding specifically your statement "attempting to dictate a specific set of parameters", I don't think that is a fair assessment of what I was doing by asking for Jimmy's opinion and I disclaimed anything outside of wanting the community to establish a strong opinion as a whole. I would very much like to work with you to help establish something that will nip in the bud an effort to promote work similar to what was done at the John Quincy Adams page, which I linked and am debating here. I view your efforts as degrees of magnitude superior to what I first saw at the JQA page. The image was fundamentally altered in tone, exposure, contrast, detail, and finally to my eye appears almost like an engraving rather than a photograph. If all that happens currently is, editor X decides a historic photograph is too scratchy and sends it over to the Commons Graphic Lab School where anyone can pick it up and do what they will to "enhance" or "clean" an image, we're in for a load of good intentions turned into bad results. Now I did link to the discussion of the FPC which Shoemaker is handling, but he isn't doing the actual restoration. That discussion is much more in line with what I would like to see before any work is even attempted. Again I stress a commitment to work with you not only on the establishment of principles but also from time to time on the work itself, offering my talents where needed. I am going to mention this response in a brief note at Jimbo's page, and look forward to your response to my offer here. Sswonk (talk) 21:46, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Your initial post stated: "I will say that my opinion is that no Photoshopping or Gimping should be done to these historic photographs outside of possibly adjusting the levels a small amount to allow for clearer display on a computer display if an image is too dark to be easily viewed on such a device." Actually a straightforward levels adjustment can introduce problems to an otherwise unedited original.  Any mounting background, damage, or subsequent physical alteration (such as writing on a print) affects the 0 to 255 brightness distribution upon which a levels adjustment is based.  If discoloration has occurred, levels alteration usually gives the appearance of enhancing the discoloration.  Some of the worst image edits at Wikipedia have been levels changes.  Contact me privately for examples.  Histogram alteration is a powerful tool.  Your suggestion to permit that and disallow everything else would generate--well--the results would be amusing in an abstract sense. ;)  Durova 308 22:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No doubt, the foot in mouth and train left the station defense is inadequate but I was thinking Jimbo would understand what I meant and that was an attempt to describe something in layman's terms. Bad attempt. Professionally "levels" is indeed a third-rail of image manipulation, so suffice to say I am glad no one thinks Jimbo's talk is policy. I hope we can get past that error quickly, I'll contact you in a minute. Sswonk (talk) 22:08, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * With regard to the John Quincy Adams daguerrotype, I suspect the Library of Congress notes are incomplete and their image is a second generation duplicate rather than a scan from the original daguerrotype. Have given it a few close looks because of its historic importance, but there wasn't much that could be done with it.  Ended up restoring this version intead, and getting this from it.  Sad thing is, even when I explain in advance that the crop removed a librarian's notes and the mounting card, a steady trickle of comments wonder whether the writing on the sides was part of the original artist's intention.  It's legible; you decide. ;)  Durova 308 22:16, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I took some time last night to attempt to clean up the text that has been added regarding early photographs of JQA both on en:wikipedia and Commons. I haven't yet tackled any other language pages that may link to the associated files. Here is the background: one scan on Commons was originally labeled as "The first-ever photograph (daguerreotype) of an American President, taken after his presidency in 1848". This was later challenged and the history reveals the result was the placement of a tag on the Commons page and an unresolved discussion of the dispute. I had read somewhere long before that JQA was the first president photographed and decided last night to look into the fact. Unfortunately, performing Google searches such as >> "John Quincy Adams" first president photographed and variations revealed a list dominated by collections of unsourced trivia pages, school "fun facts" pages and worse, mirrors of Wikipedia. Searching only within Google books at least revealed several mentions of a sitting in 1843, so narrowing the search down to pages with that year and the word "earliest" finally brought me to this well sourced history. The text of the magazine article details that the first president photographed was William Henry Harrison on his inaugural day in 1841, but that the image is lost. According to several book sources citing his diary, Adams, while a congressman following his presidency, was photographed on several occasions in 1843 and the "earliest known photograph of a president of the United States is a faint and scratched daguerreotype" now in the National Portrait Gallery, Smithsonian Institution.(direct URL to image not possible, one additional click on JQA name needed. Using those two sources and a comment you made elsewhere about the process involved, I made edits to the John Quincy Adams page and the summary information at two Commons images, one of which still listed a later 1843 image by Philip Haas: File:John_Quincy_Adams_1824.jpg and File:John_Quincy_Adams.JPG. The second of those had still listed the image as "The First Photograph of a President of the United States of America", without a disputed tag on the description page. Can you please check my edits to those three pages, John Quincy Adams, File:John_Quincy_Adams_1824.jpg and File:John_Quincy_Adams.JPG for accuracy and prose, and remove the disputed tag from the first image if it is now correct (see the file talk page)? The previous texts unfortunately were all incorrect and mirrored, and are likely in use across multiple projects. I am hoping the pages are now at least accurate, although the odd title of File:John_Quincy_Adams_1824.jpg should probably be changed as well, and I am not sure how that will affect linking pages. The commonly mentioned trivia item, "The first president photographed was John Quincy Adams", appears to be wrong based on the William Henry Harrison anecdote (with citation in the PDF), yet it is found in several places on the internet, which likely added to the confusion here in the first place. Sswonk (talk) 13:05, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Question: There is a lot of data and linking above which concerns the now disproved statement "The first president photographed was John Quincy Adams", and I made edits and provided sources for several changes on Commons and en:wikipedia. The one edit I really want to confirm is shown here, where I changed the infobox photo caption from "Daguerreotype of John Quincy Adams in 1847 or 1848, by Mathew Brady" to "Glass collodion negative copy c. 1860 of a daguerreotype of John Quincy Adams in 1847 or 1848, attributed to Mathew Brady" (edited to lowercase "D" for "daguerreotype" since diff). I'm still not entirely sure that is correct, you have commented on the process and attribution previously so: is the second caption text correct, or would you phrase it differently? I'm hoping we can establish a completely accurate and definitive description of this image for use as a good caption for all projects where it is used. The check usage toolserver was down when I wrote this but I seem to remember that the image is used on several wikis. Thanks – Sswonk (talk) 17:39, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Wow, you've certainly done a lot of hard work on this captioning! I suspect it's rephotography with manual retouching added. This makes sense in context: there would have been a market for reproductions of Adams's portrait and the options were limited when the original was a daguerrotype. There was a substantial loss of quality (which is evident at high resolution), so manual retouching would have attempted to reconstruct important detail. Adams was an important enough subject to merit the extra effort, but early retouching often looks crude. One of the reasons I've steered clear of this matter is because it would definitely cross the NOR line to state those inferences in article space. The alternative--if you're dedicated enough--would be to contact the LOC staff and the Smithsonian staff to investigate this, and then if it seems to check out seek publication at an offsite venue. Am reminded of this example. Durova 312 18:24, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Durova,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Il Ballo2.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on September 5, 2009. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2009-09-05.  howcheng  {chat} 05:43, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

A note of appreciation
I like WP:EARTH and WP:TURNIP; very sensible and helpful. Thanks for writing them. :) SlimVirgin  talk| contribs 19:00, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ditto. Short, concise, insightful. Good work! -Pete (talk) 19:05, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Golly, thanks. :) Durova 308 19:17, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/Grant of arms

 * Thank you. :) Durova 308 13:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Featured_picture_candidates/Ty_Cobb_%282%29

 * You get one too since you did great work restoring this :) Makeemlighter (talk) 14:24, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. :) Durova 310 15:08, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm confused.
I understand the importance of what you describe here, but I am confused about how it applies to the discussion at hand and/or if it was directed at me specifically for some reason or was just a general statement being appended to the thread.

I don't believe that I have advocated for anything that violates the concerns you have raised. Do you believe that I have somehow? --GoRight (talk) 17:06, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Not to the best of my knowledge, no. Haven't been following the details of your recent dispute.  There are two types of pitfalls to avoid:
 * Editors who have justifiable reason to restore or proxy make it convenient to do so by altering policy in ways that weaken the safeguards against abuse.
 * Editors who have a strong POV on a controversial topic leverage strict policy language in the hope of precipitating additional sitebans and gaining a monopoly over editorial POV.
 * Somewhere in between there is a happy medium where minority views are represented fairly and malicious abuse is minimized. The best compromise I've found in four years as a Wikipedian is advance public notice.  The inconvenience for the editor who wishes to do a legitimate proxy is much less than dealing with the fallout after a matter goes haywire.  Durova 310 17:27, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. --GoRight (talk) 17:45, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Video game special edition triple crown
Hi, just following up on a previous discussion about a special editiion triple crown for the WikiProject Video games. Since the last discussion, three more VG project members have earned triple crowns: Drilnoth, Nomader, and myself.


 * Kung Fu Man
 * DYK: Rufus (Street Fighter)
 * GA: Reptile (Mortal Kombat)
 * FC: Alleyway


 * David Fuchs
 * DYK: Grudge Warriors
 * GA: Halo 3
 * FC: Golden Sun


 * AndonicO
 * DYK: Close Combat: A Bridge Too Far
 * GA: Age of Empires III
 * FC: BioShock


 * Jappalang
 * DYK: Conan (2007 video game)
 * GA: Space Hulk (video game)
 * FC: Giants: Citizen Kabuto


 * Sephiroth BCR
 * DYK: Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow
 * GA: Soma Cruz
 * FC: Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow


 * Gary King
 * DYK: Nintendo DSi
 * GA: Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
 * FC: Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare


 * Drilnoth
 * DYK: Neverwinter Nights 2: Mysteries of Westgate
 * GA: Neverwinter Nights 2: Mysteries of Westgate
 * FC: Planescape: Torment


 * Nomader
 * DYK: Mech Platoon
 * GA: GT Advance Championship Racing
 * FC: List of Kirby media


 * Guyinblack25
 * DYK: List of Space Invaders video games
 * GA: Robotron: 2084
 * FC: Space Invaders


 * Deckiller was awarded a regular triple crown for the below articles, but has significantly contributed in improving numerous video game articles to GA and FA. He pushed Characters of Final Fantasy VIII through GA and FA. Here are two example edit differences that show some of the his rewrites and sourcing; all the intermediate revisions between the differences are Deckiller's. Almost all the citations (more than 10) in this version were added by him.
 * DYK: World of Final Fantasy VIII
 * GA: Tom Brady
 * FC: Battle of Dien Bien Phu

Just out of curiosity, do you create the image used or is that something we're responsible for? The only reason I'm asking is because we have a number of editors that I'm sure would jump for the opportunity to create it, myself included. :-p Let me know at your earliest convenience. Thank you. (Guyinblack25 talk 21:03, 3 September 2009 (UTC))

An image you might be interested in...
Hi, Durova. It was suggested to me that this image might be worth trying to restore and nominate for Featured Picture, and I immediately thought of your excellent image work. Are you at all interested in working your restoration magic? If not, that's fine too, I just thought I'd ask. Regards, Parsecboy (talk) 00:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

contact
Yes, I had disabled my email following an unwanted mail incident. You can use it now if you want (I'd rather not post it publicly on wiki, even though it's not hard to find >__>;;). Circeus (talk) 00:22, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

4 FPs

 * You should have got these a month ago, but someone botched the closings. Anyway, better late than never... BTW, feel free to check and adjust how I've categorised them as it was a bit of rush job, as cleaning up after someone else can be. --jjron (talk) 08:52, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

New page patrol
Hi, it looks like you're (like me) on newpage patrol tonight -- if so, please remember to patrol each page by clicking the "Mark this page as patrolled" link in the lower right-hand corner. Makes it easier to avoid duplicating effort. :-) Thanks! Tim Pierce (talk) 02:38, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

List of fictional birds of prey
Howdy. Just wanted to leave you a note letting you know I've removed your PROD tag from the article as it recently survived an AFD. Cheers. L0b0t (talk) 16:40, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It survived? Heavens...well okay if you say so.  Durova 311 16:57, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * My removal of the tag was purely procedural and in no way an endorsement of the article's existence. If you would like to AfD it again I certainly wouldn't object (though I do like to think I've cleaned it up some).  Cheers. L0b0t (talk) 00:46, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No need; just something that turned up on the back end of new pages patrol. While Dragonfire is taking a break it's an area that needs help.  Durova 311 01:10, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Removal of PROD from Tricephalous (comics)
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Tricephalous
Tricepalous seems to be important in the Mole Man's plot in his appearance. Besides, Tricephalous is going to appear in The Super Hero Squad Show. Perhaps it can be rewritten in your own words. I added a discussion page for any objections for AFD. Rtkat3 (talk) 7:24, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If reliable third party reviews discuss Tricephalous as important then that would probably establish notability. For an example of a notable fictional character, see Martha Logan which is a good article.  Unfortunately I will be unable to assist you in the improvement drive for your article; came across it while patrolling the back end of new page creations.  Wikipedia has less than one day lead time on that right now and the most active editor in that area is taking a well deserved break.  If the article improves I'll gladly withdraw the nomination though.  Best wishes,  Durova 311 00:09, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Digital Restoration
Hey their Durova, I saw your offer at WT:CUP about learning about how to restore historical images, and if you have the time, I would be love to learn how to be able restore historical images. Thanks and All the Best, Mifter (talk) 00:14, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Wonderful. The best online client for coaching image restoration seems to be Skype.  It's very good for file transfers and it supports both text and voice chats.  If that works for you too then contact me offsite for my Skype ID.  Will be glad to get you started with beginner projects.  Best regards,  Durova 311 00:31, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Vishal (name) for blatant copyright infringement
Could I see the notice of where Vishal (name) was copied from please? I'm quite willing to believe the deletion is correct as I copied it from Vishal when I turned Vishal into a disambiguation page. However the article disappeared very quickly before I had any chance to see what was being complained about and a quick scan on the web didn't turn up anything for me. Thanks. Dmcq (talk) 13:09, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * By the way what's the point of the message about hangon in the message I was given? I obviously would not have had the slightest chance to do that. Dmcq (talk)


 * I've found where it was alleged to have come from http://www.avashya.com/entity/profile/vishal/, and it looks to me like that was a copy of an earlier version of the Vishal article because it has words in it linked to wikipedia. So yes I'd like to dispute the removal. Dmcq (talk) 13:18, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I will ask User:Jclemens who deleted the page to go and undelete it again. Dmcq (talk) 13:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It looked a bit questionable so I copy/pasted a paragraph into a Google search. If memory serves, that looked like a non-mirror exact match.  Durova 312 13:54, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The header at that site might have been a giveaway for you. It said 'About Vishal' with the Vishal leading to the original wikipedia article. Dmcq (talk) 16:09, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah. Was comparing the post date of that site to the creation of the WP article; hadn't considered that the new article could have been branched off from a previous article.  If that checks out with the page histories then I withdraw any complaint against the page.  Consider yourself welcome do show this post to any administrator.  Would be perfectly valid restore.  Durova 312 16:13, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * All restored thanks. Dmcq (talk) 12:33, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Cornell Baseball2.jpg
Just an FYI, Shoemaker asked for something that could only be found in your archives for this photo. Staxringold talkcontribs 14:50, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up; I'll have a look. Probably that was uploaded and nominated before Commons started accepting TIFF files.  Durova 312 16:08, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Durova,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy Onassis2.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on September 12, 2009. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2009-09-12.  howcheng  {chat} 00:25, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Happy Labor Day!
Dear colleague, I just want to wish you a happy, hopefully, extended holiday weekend and nice end to summer! Your friend, --A NobodyMy talk 03:21, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Nominations open for the Military history WikiProject coordinator election
The Military history WikiProject coordinator selection process has started; to elect the coordinators to serve for the next six months. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 (UTC) on 12 September! Many thanks,  Roger Davies  talk 04:24, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Nam Co, Tibet
Hi. I recently uploaded File:NamTso scene.jpg. I believe it is a stunning image. Could you tell me whether this would stand a FPC chance? Himalayan   18:41, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Lovely, but probably not FP material. A touch small; looks processed.  Reviewers would probably take it to task.  Durova 312 20:25, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Geocities site link removal
Can you please explain why links to this site are removed ? The article linked to contains very many valid points regarding control tables (although I dont necessarily agree with all of them)ken (talk) 07:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hard to answer without knowing which article you're referring to. Generally speaking, there are very few situations where Geocities sites satisfy WP:RS.  Durova 312 17:46, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Clickteam articles
I seconded some of your prods, but I notice that one of the articles (The Games Factory) was redirected by another editor after your prod. I wonder if that might not be the simplest solution for all of them. If the product articles were redirected to the company article, then the TfD for the products template would be a slam-dunk. --RL0919 (talk) 19:20, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a great solution. Would you like to implement it?  Durova 314 19:33, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I can handle that, sure. --RL0919 (talk) 19:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * All done. Some of the material from the product articles could probably be merged into the company article, but it isn't really an interest area of mine so I'm going to leave it at redirecting for now. --RL0919 (talk) 20:19, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for your help. Durova 314 20:21, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Owusu-Ankomah
I've removed the speedy deletion tag from the artist Owusu-Ankomah. The article now includes notable 3rd party references from major international art galleries and publishers.Ackees (talk) 08:00, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually that was a prod, not a speedy. Thanks very much for your improvements.  Looks much better.  Durova 314 18:52, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Content question
Hi there! I'm prepping Trans-Alaska Pipeline System for a run at FAC and was wondering if you might have a minute or two to take a look and let me know if you have any questions about the subject that aren't answered by the article. Since so much has been written about it, I'm particularly concerned about undue weight and providing enough information about different aspects of the topic. It's kind of like colorbalancing a photo. Well, it's not like that at all, but you get the idea. Any comments or questions you have would be helpful. Thanks. JKBrooks85 (talk) 08:36, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Naked Heart Foundation
Dear Durova, with regards to your suggestion we delete the Naked Heart Foundation page I wrote. I have added a couple of references to the Daily Telegraph and to the Observer (major UK broadhseet papers). Is this sufficent? If so would you remove the delete tag or let me know so that I can? If it is not Ok then let me know and I will look for more. Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 09:49, 10 September 2009 (UTC))
 * Yes, that's fine. I hate to prod that type of article, but sometimes it's necessary.  No time to undertake expansions on the back end of new pages patrol when the margin is just a couple of hours.  Kudos to your fine work. :)  Durova 314 18:50, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Many thanks (Msrasnw (talk) 19:13, 10 September 2009 (UTC))

Skype
Just an FYI I won't be on Skype for a couple days because, as I feared, I went over my bandwidth limit and thus the connection in my room will be severely choked for a couple days. Staxringold talkcontribs 17:28, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ouch! Yes, bandwidth issues can be serious.  Have you considered contacting your provider and informing them what your bandwidth use is for?  Most bandwidth limitations get imposed to control the provider's costs of transmitting unsavory material.  If you talk one-on-one with the right person and show them your growing portfolio, you might be able to negotiate an exception.  Make sure they understand this is unpaid volunteer work for an educational nonprofit.  And good luck!  Durova 314 18:48, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Nah, it's the UITS guys at UConn, not a paid service provider. Plus a lot of the consumption was from playing games (not Wiki work), and it'll cool down in a couple days (my total for 7 days cannot exceed 10 GB, I just barely went over that last night, so I'm choked until my 7 day total drops back to 7 GB or less, probably on Sunday). Staxringold talkcontribs 19:04, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, BTW, if you have any FPCs you're thinking about nominate them NOW. By my count any current nomination will be right in the running for #2000. It all depends how a couple that are up right now shake out. Staxringold talkcontribs 19:06, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh golly, I do. Am heading out the door to give blood at this instant.  Will upload upon return.  Durova 315 19:07, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Centijimbos
Ha ha I beat you :-) William M. Connolley (talk) 13:20, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You both beat poor old me. :p Staxringold talkcontribs 13:39, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There ya go, Stax. I've watchlisted you.  Could even sock your watchlist and have Hamlet watch you too?  Durova 315 16:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Small request
Hey Durova! You have both fancier tools than I (with Photoshop) and better skills, any chance you could give the image at Featured picture candidates/Tiger Woods a quick run through any anti-noise filter you might have? Thanks! Staxringold talkcontribs 14:23, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Am really not the greatest at denoising. It's an art: you always lose detail.  Requires a few kicks and tweaks to optimize.  Ask one of the digitial photographers; they're a lot more practiced at it.  Durova 315 16:37, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

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Centijimbos
Thank you so much for posting that link on Jimbo's talk page. Your blog is great, nice to read about TIFF support and that watcher tool is a great deal of fun (I'm at aprox. 1.3 centijimbos). Cheers. L0b0t (talk) 23:02, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, and thank you for expressing the feedback. BTW your centijimbo rating just rose by 1/19th of a point. ;)  Durova 317 23:04, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey Durova, you should make a userbox for this! :) My userpage is worth 3.6 centijimbos. :)  iMatthew  talk   at 23:36, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If MZMcBride can be persuaded to incorporate cj units into userspace checks at his tool, someone could probably write a script to transclude to a userbox? Durova 317 23:50, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

iMatthew, Durova 318 04:13, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Heh! Wouldn't "the userpage is worth X centijimbos" sound better? :)  iMatthew  talk   at 11:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your kind message. Life goes on; I am coping the best I can. It's what she wanted me to do. DS (talk) 12:01, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Good for you. Things got down to 2 hours last evening so I left Photoshop to bring the back end to a 14 hour window.  You really do awesome work here; a lot of people appreciate it.  Am so glad you're returning. :)  It makes a difference.  Durova 318 15:38, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

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Image restoration
Out of curiosity, how hard is it to learn how to restore images? Do you need any special skills or specific computer programs? And do you know where I could find a place to read up on the process? TomStar81 (Talk) 06:48, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Anyone who's computer literate can do the basics and collaborate on an easy restoration. Some restorations are simple, others very difficult.  Helps to have an experienced person screen material and coach.  Photoshop is great if you already have it, GIMP is free if you don't.  Very few books have been published on this subject.  Digital Restoration from Start to Finish is somewhat helpful, but its main focus is family photographs from the mid-twentieth century and never mentions GIMP.  Shoemaker's Holiday and I mostly developed our own techniques.  We've been making headway with museums because we don't lean on plug-ins and our work exceeds current professional standards.  There's a particular example we may be able to share the details of publicly soon, where a museum owned a separate copy of a mass produced nineteenth century image that has been featured at Wikipedia.  The museum had already commissioned a local graphic artist to restore their copy.  When Wikimedians approached them they compared their restoration to ours and decided ours was superior; that was one of the elements that led to serious negotiation.


 * Anyway, the best way to get your toes wet is to email me for my Skype ID. It's an excellent client for media collaboration.  There are quite a few files from WWII and the Crimean War that would make good novice projects.  Normally for a first restoration I coach, you do the easy parts, and when the hard stuff comes along I step you through it or pitch in and show you how.  When it's finished we conominate.  Sounds fair?  Durova 318 07:13, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry for my delayed response; In what may be a bizarre twist of fate my internet here has been fading in and out all weekend, and I fear I may soon be limited to school based internet editing exclusively. At any rate, your proposal sounds fair. Owing to my upcoming leave of absence I am a little wary about starting this immediately, though I know this is not fair to you I have to ask if you would be willing to wait until December to take me on as a student for this particular skill, though this may also work to both your and milhist's advantage: If I can find a few more good users would you be willing to take on a small group and show us the ropes, or would this skill be better leaned in a 1-on-1 approach? TomStar81 (Talk) 08:09, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I think if you're worried about credit or anything, I think becoming a politician is the way to go.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 01:25, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Whenever the time and connection are both available, fine. Usually newcomers join the WikiVoices channel.  We augment text with voice chats when enough people are online who want it.  A fair number of the WV regulars do some media editing, so whether it's one or a group things fit in.  Best regards,  Durova 319 01:41, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

"Congregation Emunath Israel"
Durova, Thank you for asking. The photograph is great. I like the expressions on the people's faces. But a quick search turns up little on the synagogue. This is the best name and address I can get for it: "Congregation Emunath Israel" "236 W 23rd St, New York, NY, 10011 " I'll keep on looking, but I am not sure that there is enough for an article. Bus stop (talk) 14:00, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for looking into it. Interesting how the two women are walking in step elbow to elbow, but looking in different directions lost in thought.  Durova 318 18:21, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This is supposed to be a picture of it, but it doesn't look like the same stucture to me, unless it has undergone some considerable changes. Bus stop (talk) 23:39, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

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Strongbar Industries
I previously tried to WP:PROD the article in July. As a re-prod it'll be rejected. If you'd like to AfD I'll happily support. Regards, Bazj (talk) 08:03, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the background. AFD'd.  Durova 318 16:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You re-Prod-ed. I've AfD'd, your vote is welcome... Articles for deletion/Strongbar Industries. Ta. Bazj (talk) 18:10, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Did I? Am sorry; thank you for regularizing it.  Durova 318 18:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

MILHIST academy
Hi Durova, I'm working on images in the academy. We would like to include a section on image restoration in the adavanced or intermediate course that explains briefly how to obtain freeware or cheap software to enhace images like photos taken at a museum or improve old black&white images. I would very much appreciate your contributions. Thanks a lot. Greetings Wandalstouring (talk) 11:15, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Those are two very different goals, both of which are much easier to do badly than well. Durova 318 16:26, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, than take the black&white images please, I'll find someone else for the photos. Wandalstouring (talk) 08:10, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * PING Wandalstouring (talk) 09:31, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/Beijing Castle in the Boxer Rebellion
It's up, my first solo-nom. Wooty woot. Staxringold talkcontribs 12:44, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Could you transfer me the TIFF please for a little touch-up? Durova 318 16:22, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately...
...I can't give you the Wikichevrons with Oakleaves, but I can at the very least give you this:

I've been following your conversation with Roger and the others, and I just wanted to give you this barnstar for all your hardwork. I don't think I'm a Coordinator anymore, so this isn't really official, but then who cares? The main thing is that you deserve, especially for the Wounded Knee restoration that you did. And I'm sorry that MILHIST hasn't been the receptive area that you'd hoped it would be; if I could offer some explanation, then for me it would be that the project just doesn't have the members with the interest in imagery that other wikiprojects, such as WP:Baseball, does. Perhaps there are projects that would be even more enthusiastic - and projects that might be even less? Again, I don't know, but I do hope you don't take it personally. Thank-you very much for all the hard work that you've done for MILHIST, and the entire of wikipedia in particular. Yours, Skinny87 (talk) 18:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. It really is heartwarming to see that you care.  May I be candid?  It's a bit hard to hit the right note with this, so please be understanding.  Our sights should be set on a different horizon.  We've reached the level where it really becomes possible to establish partnerships with offsite cultural institutions.  The Tropenmuseum has already donated over 2000 images to Commons about the cultural history of Suriname.  They've committed to 100,000 images about the former Dutch colonial empire.  Imagine if we built upon that type of synergy with collections of military history?
 * Last week while I was at the blood bank an old copy of Smithsonian was on the table. In 2002 a bank in Alexandria, Virginia discovered old trunks in its basement; the contents had been neglected and forgotten for 85 years.  They contained family archives that Robert E. Lee's daughter had deposited for storage the year before her death.  The bank donated the collection to the Virginia Historical Society.  If you really want to express appreciation for my work, please find a MILHIST volunteer in northern Virginia.  There are several restorations they could show the historical society such as the one at right of the destruction at Richmond.  Most nonprofits don't have the budget to commission this type of work (at least not at high quality).  There's a synergy to be built here.  Let's pursue it.  Durova 318 18:40, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it's the least you deserve. Unfortunately, I'm in Great Britain, but I've posted a query here at WT:MILHIST in the hope that someone can help. Skinny87 (talk) 20:27, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * (ec) I am in Northern Virginia, and would be delighted to help. You have my email, I think; in any case, it's enabled here. Maralia (talk) 20:32, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. Durova 318 21:14, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually one of the UK editors and I were kicking around fundraising ideas about a month ago and an idea arose which might be feasible next year. Apparently a lot of British charities sell wall calendars for fundraising.  It's always a challenge to find good presents for men.  So we were thinking a calendar of featured pictures about British military history such as here where y'all burned our capitol and darn near turned us Yanks back into a colony.  The UK chapter has a bit of organizing to do first.  Once the paperwork is in place, does this seem tempting?  Durova 318 21:39, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I'd buy something like that - seems like a great idea. Over here you get a lot of military aircraft calendars and maybe some of vehicles, but something like you're suggesting I haven't seen much of, if at all. Skinny87 (talk) 08:13, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Wonderful. WMF UK is arranging preliminary events in London, if that's not too far out of your way.  In the meantime, will deliver something to your wiki-door.  Durova 319 01:34, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

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 * FYI, I redirected Kinda Country, That's All There Is, Bad Dream No.13 and The Blood and the Body to Eerie Von, all were track listings, and nothing to establish notability showed up in my searches. --kelapstick (talk) 16:36, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
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El Cid
Hello

I am writing this to you because I notice from the Joseph Priestley talk page you are a) an admin and b) neutral on the  subject of left aligned images.

I am writing about an interminable dispute on this page over a lead image.

About 3 months ago an editor (User:Srnec) changed the lead image to a picture of a statue with a corona; this caused quite an argument and was eventually rejected He then started a nagging campaign to have the original image (another statue) removed.

He was joined in this 6 weeks ago by another editor (User:Ekwos) saying much the same thing.

The upshot is the article now has a left aligned image of yet another statue.

A fortnight ago I referred it for comment, though that was probably the wrong thing to do; what it needs is someone neutral (ie an admin ) to make a summary and close the discussion.

Which brings me to you: Can you do that? Or comment? Or advise? Swanny18 (talk) 21:03, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Um, actually I'm neither an admin nor neutral on the subject. Durova 318 21:13, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * OK (Sorry!) my mistake.Swanny18 (talk) 15:20, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * PS Do you know who I should talk to? Swanny18 (talk) 15:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)


 * PPS You seem to know about images; I’ve put a question about Maps below, if that's OK Swanny18 (talk) 15:29, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Amber and Blood
Just a friendly note on Amber and Blood. Worldcat has the book in 621 libraries in the US -- while this doesn't meet Notability (books) by itself, there's a lot of consensus that such books have a high likelihood of notability, so I've removed the prod tag. As always, feel free to take it to AfD. Cheers! -- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  23:02, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds fine. Thank you for leaving word. :)  Durova 318 23:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Portal:Baseball
FYI, I got some help on using an AWB tool and was able to create a list of DYK'd baseball articles. I've stored it in my sandbox, will update the DYKs later. Staxringold talkcontribs 03:04, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Great. If you find more potential restortions, please list them onsite.  Durova 318 03:42, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This search might also be helpful... :) Cirt (talk) 03:54, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

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Multimedia Usability Meeting in France
Hello Durova, I've sent you an email about the multimedia usability meeting, but I'm not sure it ever got to you. If you haven't received it (and if you have too, actually), could you drop me a line at delphinePUNTOmenardATwikimediaPOINTfr? It would be great if you can make it to Paris. Thank you! notafish talk on meta   —Preceding undated comment added 23:43, 15 September 2009 (UTC).

Why do I watch this userpage?
I watchlisted all of the userpages of WikiCup contestants in the top 8. :P  iMatthew  talk   at 01:49, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey thanks. Shot you an invisible barnstar.  Seems right for quality lurking.  Best wishes! :)  Durova 319 01:56, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Today, I received a barnstar for stalking someone's talk page. I then realized it's the first barnstar I've gotten in over a year. FML  iMatthew  talk   at 02:16, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Aw! Okay I threw in a beer. :)  Durova 319 02:20, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Today, I received beer on my talk page. I then realized it's the first time I've seen what a can of beer looks like, in my entire life. I'm 25. FML.  iMatthew  talk   at 02:22, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * :) Durova 319 02:25, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Why do I lurk?
I must have sent you a message at one time, although I have no idea when or why. I never took this age off my watchlist (I rarely do). So, yeah, I lurk to a certain degree, as in I saw your edit summary and was curious to see what you meant. I hope you believe me that there's nothing sinister in this. I've got lots of user talk pages on my watchlist. Cheers. freshacconci talktalk 01:50, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * (ec'd)Wow, I don't remember it either. Thanks for sharing; one barnstar coming up. :) Durova 319 01:58, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I decided to watch this page due to our interactions via E-mail where you were very helpful and kind to me. I also consider you a friend (and a friendly person overall), and that's the other reason why I watch your pages. Best. Acalamari 01:56, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Likewise! Barnstar on its way, and thank you very much. :)  Durova 319 01:58, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I lurk. I just lurk. I'm a lurker. I was a lurker in a previous lifetime. I lurk out of a sense of not wanting to miss anything. I suffer deep pangs of shame for my lurking propensities. But I am learning to cope. Bus stop (talk) 02:11, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol! This evening lurking is its own reward. :)  Durova 319 02:13, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I lurk because the host posts interesting pictures, gives out free barnstars and does craftwork with socks ( so clearly they need to be watched! ;p ) –xenotalk 02:18, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm, my sockpuppet account might have to award this barnstar... ;) Durova 319 02:21, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

prices
with respect to Hb of coastal & ocean engineering, are you startled at the price? $198 for a 1300 p. volume of this sort is quite ordinary. If anything, it's a little on the low side, and my guess as a librarian is that it implies either expected wide sales, or rather low quality. BTW, the book might conceivable be notable, but it's hard to tell as it's just out so I can't judge by holdings or reviews. The article of course is ridiculous, not just the table of contents, but the irrelevant puffery at the start about the importance of the subject.  DGG ( talk ) 05:32, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it does come off as an advertisement. At least to my reading.  Durova 319 15:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Little House with an Orange Roof
I am not understanding, what exactly do i need to add to keep this page from being deleted. Also could you give me an example as well?
 * Look for reviews in reliable third party sources, and cite them. Durova 319 15:34, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Maps
Can you help me with this?

I was wanting to add a map to this page, on the lines of the one here. Can you tell me how to do it? or where to look for advice on how to do it? Thanks Swanny18 (talk) 15:32, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't create maps, just restore old ones. There's a whole mapmaking culture in Wikipedia somewhere...try checking out the creator on a few maps you like.  Durova 319 15:39, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

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List of Soap episodes page
You added two tags to my page, and I'm wondering what your specific reasons were. The tag asking me for reliable sources I removed because I have no idea what would be a more reliable source for what happened on the episodes of the show than the DVD collection for all four seasons of the show, which I personally own and can verify the information on the page with. The tag asking me to "wikify" the page I left up, but mainly because there are indeed deviations from the typical episode list on the page - owing to the fact that Soap episodes have no names (so I can't include episode titles) and that they have multiple plotlines in a show (so I can't use the conventional "short summary" to summarize one unified plot). Outside of those two things, my episode list looks pretty much the same as everyone else's on here for the most part. I did use the "title" box to show what new characters were introduced in particular episodes (which was a handy thing to do for Soap specifically because it has a huge ensemble cast, with new characters being introduced often on the show). But generally, I did try to keep to the normal format - it was just difficult to do this for Soap because so much about the show is different than other shows.

I do see that other episode list pages include information about the DVD sets for a show when they are available, and I was thinking this might be something I could do to update the page. But outside of that, I really think the page is fine the way it is...the "wikify" tag really seems to point to the fact that I've deviated in a few places from the normal format, but I feel I did have to do that in certain areas. Zachary Klaas (talk) 23:17, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Three of the sources for this article are Geocities homepage, the Internet Movie Database, and a page by someone called Dean Adams. IMDB is not acceptable per Reliable sources, and the Geocities and Dean Adams homepages would not be acceptable unless some unusual reason applied (such as being the personal page of a producer of the show).  Please wikilink the introductory section to other articles.  Durova 319 02:13, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The Geocities homepage has the liner notes for the DVD collection. Because I have the DVD collection with those liner notes, I recognize that information comes from there.  I'll update that reference to indicate this, though if I already have the DVDs themselves identified as as source, this seems a little perfunctory.  IMDB and Dean Adams had the dates the shows ran, and I didn't have any other source for that information.  What do you want there, an indication on the Talk page that if anyone can find this information in the New York Times, that would be appreciated, because all I have is IMDB and a guy named Dean Adams?  Or is there someplace I can look for these dates that you'll accept? Zachary Klaas (talk) 15:03, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, a little looking around shows me why you're ragging on IMDb while at the same time leaving my TV.com reference alone. Apparently, IMDb is unacceptable because they let anyone edit it (kind of like Wikipedia...) whereas TV.com only allows its "top contributors" to edit it (could be idiots with a high posting ratio, but presumably the assumption is that the top contributors are more reliable, whereas some stray poster could mislead IMDb).  Since that seems to be the bone of contention with IMDb, I will do as was done on the "How I Met Your Mother" episode guide and move IMDb to an "external links" list and out of the "reference" list.Zachary Klaas (talk) 15:32, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Random Geocities sites aren't reliable even when they reproduce reliable sources. I could start a Geocities site that reproduces The New York Times election results, which is faithful in every respect except for the minor typographical error that ends the story "President McCain".  Durova 319 14:47, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * ...or "President Lindbergh" ;) Sincerely, Jack Merridew 14:55, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I have the DVD liner notes. Physically.  On my person.  The site shows what I have in hard copy version.  This is a computer, and people can't download my hardcopy liner notes, but someone out there has transcribed them, and I can direct people to that with a simple point-and-click.  Am I to understand that you would prefer that instead I make a PDF of my liner notes and post them to the Commons?  That seems like a tremendously pointless hassle to go through just because people don't like Geocities.  I do cite the hardcopy version separately, so what do you think I should do?  Should I move that down to be an "external link" as well?  Is it just a problem that it appears as a "reference"?  I think it's kind of user-hostile not to have any link to that site. Zachary Klaas (talk) 15:42, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Citing the liner notes directly is fine. Bear in mind that liner notes count as self-published sources for this purpose.  Third party sourcing such as critical reviews would help.  Durova 319 16:13, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Baseball
Just thought you might want to know that I have nominated Portal:Baseball at WP:FPOC! Please stop by and weigh in! Staxringold talkcontribs 01:37, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

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POTD notification
Hi Durova,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Bethlehem Steel Pennellb.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on September 21, 2009. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2009-09-21.  howcheng  {chat} 00:20, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

What
did you mean by that? I think you misdialed. (Igny (talk) 15:18, 18 September 2009 (UTC))

What is 'Crystal Balling'
why is Libyan Premier League 2009-10 Fixtures & Results being deleted? The reason stated was 'crystal balling', I think. Can you tell me what this is? Thanks (b.t.1994 (talk 21:04, 18 September 2009 (UTC))
 * It refers to a section of the What Wikipedia is not policy regarding future events. Durova 319 20:39, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Ahoy, matey!
Avast! Have yerself a happy International Talk Like a Pirate Day, me hearties. Ye landlubbers best be a-speakin' the pirate language o'er the next 20 hours or so, else be forced to walk the plank and sent into the depths, ye scurvy dog! yo ho ho! – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 02:28, 19 September 2009 (UTC) Arrr! Durova 319 23:59, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Thought to ask
Hello, Durova I have a question for you. I just found your Triple Crown subpage, and I am having trouble comprehending the rules (probably because it is 5 am here and I'm tired, but refuse to go to bed). I feel like an idiot for asking, but instead of me wasting time reading the page over and over again until I figure out if I qualify for one, just thought to ask you. What do you think, do I qualify? Thank you for your time.-- Will C  08:59, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

One fewer, perhaps
See user talk:Ikip. Guy (Help!) 16:20, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of [Catharina E. Fick]
I don't think I can delete articles but this article should be deleted for the same reason Hannelore F. U. Veenstra was deleted.Kacembepower (talk) 17:40, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and proposed deletion. There's also a theoretical possibility that with expansion and additional sources both biographies could be kept as Wikipedia articles.  Was the discovery discussed extensively in the South African press?  Have they made other noteworthy achievements that received third party coverage?  Passing mention of a co-patent isn't enough to justify a biography by itself, but if these are notable scientists then it would be fine to have fleshed-out articles for both of them.  Best regards,  Durova 320 18:01, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

FYI
User:Piotrus/ArbCom, and I've left a link to that on talk of every mentioned editor. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:30, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Durova 320 20:38, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Wes Straub
Hello Duvora,

I'm here to address the reason you deleted my article on Wes Straub. You stated:

'''Fails WP:MUSIC. Dubious assertions of notability, such as claiming to have played at the Burning Man festival. Burning Man has no signed acts.'''

While my list of notable performances may have appeared "dubious," each performance was cited in at least once by a source. I challenge you to go back and check it out for yourself. If I said he played Burning Man, it's because a source stated he played Burning Man. And if that's not good enough, then delete that part, not my entire article. So would you please restore my article?

Thanks.--mattofwashington (talk) 21:36, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I am not an administrator. I neither performed the deletion, nor have power to restore it.  Durova 320 23:15, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Featured article review/Geology of the Grand Canyon area/archive1
Please take a look. I think I've addressed all the issues you mentioned. --mav (talk) 03:12, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Lise (now that your name is on your user page),

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Gothic armor 2.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on September 24, 2009. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2009-09-24.  howcheng  {chat} 04:22, 22 September 2009 (UTC)


 * A different picture appears there. Durova 320 04:23, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ha, you replied before I could fix it. :)  howcheng  {chat} 04:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Fortunately that was the only thing which needed fixing. Great job, as usual. :)  Durova 320 04:25, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Blok (Furniture)
A couple of weeks ago, you marked Blok (Furniture) for speedy deletion as a copyvio and I deleted it. When asked about it on my talk page, I took a second look and the text of the deleted article does not seem to match what is on the webpage it was marked as a copy of. Normally, I check closely before deleting, but maybe I didn't notice that they didn't match. Or maybe the website has since changed. I have undeleted the article for now, but can you please take a second look? -- Ed (Edgar181) 12:49, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The entire introduction is a direct cut and paste from the site I linked in the CSD template. Not a single word was changed.  The editor does not use quotation marks and cites only half of that text to a source.  Durova 320 20:07, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sigh...I'm getting old. That should have been obvious to me. I have removed the cut-and-pasted portion and proposed deletion of the article because I don't see any evidence that it meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines.  Thank you.  -- Ed (Edgar181) 20:19, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. It can be a close call when part of the article is direct cut/paste and the rest is barely reworded from a catalog.  Best regards,  Durova 320 20:28, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Lise,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Caledonia, New York aerial2.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on September 26, 2009. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2009-09-26.  howcheng  {chat} 06:39, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Question about image copyright
Howdy. I was wondering if you might be able to take a look at, the licensing info claims 1940 (therefore public domain and free from Crown Copyright) but the image itself shows a theater marquee advertising 2 films that weren't released until 1954 or so. Working with images is something that I have very little experience with and am unsure if being produced after 1949 would have any fair use/copyright implications. If you have a moment would you be so kind as to give me a pointer on actions that may or may not need to be taken? Cheers. L0b0t (talk) 16:32, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, and thanks for asking. You may get a quicker answer heading to the copyright questions board.  Right now I'm full up.  Durova 320 00:34, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries. User:Ccrashh was kind enough to mosey down to the City of Ottawa Archives (IIRC the original source of the image in question) and consult the fine folks therein. From there it's off to the copyright question board.  Thanks. L0b0t (talk) 01:02, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear it isn't much of a setback. Durova 320 01:08, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

EE Mailing list archive
Hello, Durova.

Sorry for giving you this message here, but I wanted to make sure that this response wouldn't be lost in the voluminous page. &mdash; Coren (talk) 18:17, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Help with article
2009 flu pandemic is read by ~750,000 people per month. We've done a major overhaul to go for WP:GAC. If you have time could you take a look? It's very important, possibly the most important article on Wikipedia at the moment. Best regards, Jehochman Talk 00:28, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm stretched as thin as can be with existing commitments. Held a telephone interview this afternoon with a special collections curator from the University of California, Santa Barbara.  Writing a piece for Signpost while the notes are fresh.  Need to return to Tropenmuseum restorations, and then there's the mailing list monster.  Can't help you, sorry.  Durova 320 00:33, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Lise,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Sixteenth Century Cannon2.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on September 28, 2009. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2009-09-28.  howcheng  {chat} 03:26, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

WikiVoices
Hello,

There is a dispute about the publication of WikiVoices #45 of which you were a particapant. Do you have any comments to add about how this matter has been handled? 99.150.255.75 (talk) 04:19, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Not really. I hadn't signed up for the episode, was offline when the edit war occurred, and did relatively little during the episode.  Mostly was there to record; was doing unrelated work in another program.

Heading back to Commons to upload an uncompressed version. Durova 320 04:35, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks - picture looks just like my Uncle Joe. For the WikiVoices episode 45 - do you have a copy of the record that you made?  How long was the round table?  Did any of the winners of the election take part? What happens to the recordings ordinarily?  Is only one made?  Has anyone every lost the recording? 99.150.255.75 (talk) 04:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You know, I looked at your post to ANI and it really does appear to be unhelpful. The thread is a request for administrative review of an edit war that occurred today.  It doesn't appear that any of the names you added were involved in that edit war.  Please remove my name and leave me out of it.  Durova 320 04:50, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * And for the record, the recording I made was for today's episode. I did not record episode 45.  Durova 320 04:52, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks - your name as a community participant is now in a collapsed section. I respect your desire to be left out. Can you suggest anyone who could calmly mediate (informal mediation - not any kind of official mediation) this matter in a calm, logical and possibly friendly manner?  I don't try to be unhelpful - I think it just comes across that way in my writing - I want to just jump in an have everyone understand each other better. Best wishes 99.150.255.75 (talk) 05:35, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure who to suggest. Just wrapping up a featured content drive and heading to bed.  Durova 320 06:11, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Credit where it's due
Thanks to your comments in the thread about the gerbil, I've official started out my day with uproarious laughter. I can't find any humour-related barnstars, but I'd give you one if there were one. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 01:09, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You're welcome; anytime. :) Durova 320 03:04, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Cool image
Hey Durova! Check this pic out. Not sure it's worth restoring, but it sure is neat. Staxringold talkcontribs 17:15, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Restorable, but compositional problems. Cuts off the figure at far left and the top of the flag.  Durova 320 18:31, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

The 399
Hi. I'm one of the 399. Can you tell me what tool one can use to find out how many people watchlist a given page? Thank you! - Hordaland (talk) 19:21, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Here you go. Acalamari 19:29, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. (You're one of the 397, too, eh.)  - Hordaland (talk) 20:19, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Lise,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Puck cover2.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on October 2, 2009. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2009-10-02. This one was a rather difficult one to write, as the subject doesn't appear to be easily summarized.  howcheng  {chat} 05:16, 30 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Seems like a good approach. I've copyedited.  Durova 320 14:52, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

RFC/U
I am not going to file an RFC/U against somebody who is just going to feud with me by making counter-assertions. This is apparent from how the ANI discussion went. I was looking for a response like, ''Yes, I now see that an admin should not have knowing supported a sock puppet's RFA. I won't do that again.'' Oh well, I tried and failed. If you are concerned about admins (and Oversight applicants) who help their "best friend" flout the rules, you are welcome to start an RFC/U. I shall avoid participating because I do not want to engage in feuding. My feeling is that a simple admonishment would do. An RFC seems like overkill. Jehochman Talk 15:32, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If you don't want to engage in feuding, Mr. Hatfield, please stop aiming at the McCoys. I would gladly certify a conduct RfC on either of you.  But I won't be the one to start it.  Now if you'll excuse me I'll be running back into the Photoshop cave and casting shadows upon the wall.  Durova 320 15:54, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * What if we both band together and certify an RFC on you? We'll get you, my pretty, and your little cave paintings too. *cackle*  Jehochman Talk 16:50, 30 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Retaliatory threats are counterproductive. Along with your talk page blanking, that gives the impression of being more interested in 'winning' than in achieving resolution.  Although I agreed with the merits of your argument, the way you presented it generated cringes.  Particularly in light of the overall purpose of that thread (a banned editor's lack of decorum).  When a disgraced former administrator considers your conduct reprehensible, you ought to either RFC me immediately or feel chastened.  Instead you proclaimed that discussing the matter with the other party was unlikely to be useful and nonetheless proceeded ten minutes later to do so - even edit conflicting with me at her user talk.  If your conduct were at least internally consistent that would be worthy of respect, but you lower yourself.  Durova 320 20:56, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

WikiCup
Hi Durova. I have decided to remove a few things from my WikiCup submissions page after the discussions at WT:CUP and iMatthew's talk page, and now I have less points than you. Would you like to take my place in the final?  The left orium  19:20, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hold on, guys (guy and girl, to be correct). :)  iMatthew  talk   at 19:22, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd love to stay in, and thank you very much for the offer. The judges seem to be working on something.  So will defer.  Much obliged. :)  Durova 320 19:43, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 *  iMatthew  talk   at 19:57, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Can I just say that this was such a selfless act from Lefty. :) Well done :D  GARDEN  20:42, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

'that' audio file ;-)
(probably easier here than on wikipedia review!) - I'm still a bit behind on all the shenanigans (though getting there) - but I'd like to at least try and cut to the chase a little and try and help out a bit. Do you have the file by any chance, and would you mind bunging it onto something like MediaFire and flicking me a link? cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 21:08, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Shoemaker asked me to ask you to poke him. Gah...simpler to just get on Skype?  Durova 320 21:41, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Cirt recommends...You!
Over at an FAC I'm doing (Featured article candidates/Jackie Robinson/archive4), the image reviewer asked for the opinion of a commons admin. The only commons admin I know is Cirt, and he recommended you. Could you comment on File:Jackie Robinson Memorial.JPG, or point me in the direction of another commons admin? If you don't think it's free, or isn't a no-brainer, that's fine. There are tons of pics I can use, so I don't mind replacing any one of them. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 03:35, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That's the sort of thing I'd really run past a lawyer who has experience in copyright issues. Thank you for asking; better to defer to the real experts.  Best regards,  Durova 320 03:43, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll (rashly?) jump in on this one. Two points, which both lead me to think it's just fine, from a legal standpoint: (1) The ineligibility to claim copyright on 2d text seems well documented here on Wikipedia, and the simple act of adding depth in a third dimension couldn't by any reasonable interpretation be enough to add a copyright claim. So it's very hard to imagine that there is actually a copyright to violate. (2) In what I would consider the extremely unlikely circumstance that there is a copyright, this photograph would be a perfectly good instance of fair use. It's a 2d shot of a 3d thing; it's not superbly high quality; it in no way threatens to reduce the copyright holder's ability to profit from their work. So it would be a pretty clear-cut case of fair use.
 * All of that leaves us with no need to consult a lawyer; merely a need to evaluate the image's use under Wikipedia's content guidelines. If there is any issue, it is distinguishing between (1) and (2) above. If we go with (1), there's no need for concern. If we want to play it safe and go with (2), write up a non-free use rationale.
 * But in my own opinion, I really think the only copyright holder in this instance is the photographer, who has released the 2d image under a copyleft license already. -Pete (talk) 03:57, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree that as a default, nonfree use would be easy to demonstrate. Durova 320 04:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

RFC
Hi Durova. I'm writing about the RFC process for the signpost, and I want to try and get as many sides of RFC as I can. I was wondering if you'd be willing to talk about your experience with the process, especially Requests for comment/Durova, so we can get the experience of someone who has been through an RFC? Hiding T 10:55, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ping? Hiding T 10:12, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Mention
I've mentioned you at User talk:Vassyana. I'm really sick and tired of you stalking hounding me around the wiki trying to trip me up whenever possible with your faux polite criticisms. Wikipedia is not a game. You've told me that I did something against your interests in 2007, and you've apparently been trying to settle the score ever since. Please stop. What you are doing is not proper; no amount of featured content credits, barnstars, or dried ears hanging from your belt can make up for treating another human badly, repeatedly. Jehochman Talk 13:04, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I comment at many noticeboard threads and many arbitration requests; yours are not special. It was you who changed WP:STALK to WP:HOUND shortly after I proposed the alteration.  You know the FBI opened an investigation into real world harassment I received.  That was no game; the perpetrator lived within driving distance of my home.  And now you direct the word "stalking" at me, while you suppose me in need of a lecture that Wikipedia is not a game?  Either your memory is lacking or this is very poor taste indeed.    Durova 320 13:50, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * An example of me acting in good faith toward you, and getting nothing but cheap shots in return. Please show me examples where you comment in support of my opinion at any of these multiple threads. The pattern from Durova to Jehochman is either silence, or criticism. That's statistically improbable in the extreme. If I am wrong, I'd like to be set straight. Jehochman Talk 13:58, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Jehochman, right now I am working on "I Didn't Raise My Boy To Be A Soldier", which was arguably the most important antiwar song of World War I. Yesterday the article didn't exist; I have a related featured picture candidate to nominate.  Assume good faith used to be policy.  It ought to be promoted back from guideline to policy because of situations like this.  You could have determined for yourself that my RFAR post was based upon a consistent principle that comes up in many RFARs that have nothing to do with you.  Instead you complained to both me and an arbitrator, and after we both explained the background you shift your complaint slightly and ask me to disprove it.  You have been in the habit of asking me to help with your content drives; would you like to help with mine?  If not, then please stop these complaints which interfere with it.  It must be stressful to be the subject of two arbitration requests at the same time, but I didn't place you in that position and the little time I've spent on those matters has been attempting to deescalate them.  At Vassyana's user talk I suggested blanking both these threads as good faith misunderstanding.  That would really be the best conclusion, if you're willing.  Durova 320 14:49, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: Hochman, there is no need to accuse Durova of wikistalking you when she posts at such a prominent page. Are the rest of us stalking you as well? I suggest you reconsider your suspicions. That said, Durova, you're leaning on AGF a bit much for someone who disagrees so vehemently with Hochman. You might want to apply what you're asking for - say "I can see how you might feel I'm pursuing you, but this is not the case" rather than spit guidelines at him which you're currently ignoring. Now you can both be nice to each other and bitch me out, instead, for butting in. :-) KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 14:56, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Tosses KC a doggie treat. Durova, have you met my new friend?  Jehochman Talk 15:19, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, but the funny thing is that Durova and I see eye to eye on many issues, yet she's loath to ever concede, yes, Hochman is generally a jerk, but this time he's right. I'm fine with that.  Could you be both positive and negative when dealing with me, instead of just negative, D?
 * Wow, I thought AGF was policy.
 * I would be glad help with your content drive. My two relevant skills are copy editing and fixing/adding references.  I have this neat reference software that works on most web pages to automatically generate a reference. Jehochman Talk 15:16, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Really Mr Hochman, compose yourself, you are becoming paranoid, like my poor dear nephew, why on earth would Ms Durova want to stalk you? Do you have some fatal attraction? - No, you don't. You should realise that ladies like Ms Durova and myself have a perfect right, and indeed should opine, as the fancy take us wherever we like. I like to think we are helping to make Wikipedia a more decorous and calming place, and having a civilising effect on you shouting and squabbling menfolk. I feel Ms Durova and myself are sisters-in-unity doing good rather like the Poor Clares. Perhaps Ms Chihuahua would like to embrace our cause too? Which reminds me, I would so like her to meet my beloved Crippen (such a faithful and loyal hound) I know they would be great friends. Just remember Mr Hochman, I shall soon be on the Arbcom with Ms Durova and Ms Chihuahua as my ladies-in-waiting, so try to be a little more respectful or there will be some very serious consequences. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 15:29, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * PS: In answer to Ms Durova's question accompanying her image of California (above) "Don't you wish you were here" - the answer is No, I do not! Nasty horrid place full of snakes and alligators eating everything and sight and very odd natives all having therapy for imaginary conditions - not my cup of tea at all. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 15:29, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * PPS: Furthermore, Ms Durova, I'm not sure I would say "think of me as a little hamster" bearing in mind all those snakes, not to mention the odd people. I have read in the newspapers what happens to small rodents in those parts, and it's not at all comfortable reading. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 15:34, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * (ec'd) You have a good point, KillerChihuahua. They way he first broached it really took me aback. Imagine having received elaborate fantasies of rape, murder, and throwing acid in my face--then discovering the person who was sending them was less than half a tank of gas away--and then someone who knows exactly why I object to frivolous use of the word "stalking" turn and use it on me. Yes, my reaction probably comes off as icy. Let's put it another way: if this were a political game I'd urge the Committee to open either of those proposed arbitration cases and then dump on him once they're underway. Instead I've been hoping that neither case opens and they go to other dispute resolution instead. If Jehochman wants to withdraw the RFAR and open RfC on Jennavecia I'd certify (saying so for the third time, and the inverse still applies too). If that doesn't make it obvious enough that politics is not the priority then there's probably no persuading him. Jehochman is not my pet enemy. But his misperception has very little bearing on my actions other than turning a one-coffee morning into a two-coffee morning about once every four or five months . Now excuse me while I go grind beans; there's a fresh bag of vanilla roast waiting to be opened. :) Durova 320 15:36, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * (addendum) Giano, if you want to be taken seriously please post on a serious account. I didn't say anything at the main discussion, but you've shown up here so be aware I'm astounded that you replied to a serious apology from an arbitrator on a joke account.  I haven't read anything you posted to this thread other than the signature.  Durova 320 15:36, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't worry Durova, I merely try to lighten the oppression; I'm sure no one was fooled for a second - relax. Just carry on as you were, real life can only be a merciful release. In the meantime, I shall continue to think of you as a little hamster. Giano (talk) 20:44, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Giano, there aren't any alligators on this part of North America except at the zoo, but we have hummingbirds--they aren't afraid of people and sometimes use the nectar feeder when I'm standing right next to it. There's a Green Violetear right outside the window right now.  Charming little creatures.  One of those links at the top of this user talk goes to the BBC weather report for San Diego.  I've been sending it to friends in New England; I'm cruel that way. ;) Durova 320 21:07, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Grumbles long and loud (hey, what's a few inches of rain amongst friends? :P) SirFozzie (talk) 21:09, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Strange--Wikipedia has no good photos of the Southern California ski resorts. This kind of approximates it, but Mount San Gorgonio doesn't have downhill skiing. It's the next ridge north near Big Bear. If you ever visit during the winter, Fozzie, we'll have to correct the omission. :) Durova 320 21:53, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikivoices
This "controversy" is Wikipedia's own version of Birtherism. -->David Shankbone  15:13, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * :) Durova 320 15:46, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Huh?
Barnstars?... do "alt" accounts count? ;) Ched-alt (talk) 18:03, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Rofl, and you posted while I was commenting at WT:SOCK. Let's see if there's a Barnstar of Irony... ;)  Durova 320 18:12, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Having a good chuckle here myself now Durova - thank you, it was much needed. The last few days here have been trying, and the smiles warmed my heart.  Thanks, and all my best. — Ched :  ?  18:19, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh dang, I didn't even think of that. KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 18:26, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Very glad it hit the right spot, in that case. :) Durova 320 18:42, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Advice
No one knows more than images than you, from what I can tell. From an image quality perspective, I need some advice. At Featured article candidates/Trump International Hotel and Tower (Chicago)/archive2‎, I have asked to choose between two images that to my untrained eye seem similar. Do you have an opinion on the last two images in Trump International Hotel and Tower (Chicago) in terms of which one is better to keep.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:04, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The closeup conveys it better. Other images in the article give a good view of the spire.  Durova 320 21:42, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

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Number of watchers?
I think I saw you say that 400 people watch you talk page. How do check the number? - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:41, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's the general link. There's also a userbox.  Durova 320 02:53, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 21:50, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Lise,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Currier & Ives Brooklyn2.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on October 5, 2009. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2009-10-05.  howcheng  {chat} 07:06, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK nom of Alfred Bryan song
Can you withdraw please? I really, really wanted to co-nom with User:Ottre/Henry Ford peace expedition. Didn't get time to finish the article last night. Ottre 18:15, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd be glad to add your name to the people who created the article. Would that be okay?  Durova 320 18:34, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't care about getting credit. I just wanted to make the front page, so that somebody from Texas might see it and help out with scanning these photographs of the expedition. They're all PD you know. Ottre 18:56, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * There doesn't seem to be any reason both articles couldn't run at DYK. Thanks for your hard work.  Durova 320 20:08, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Images
But you're doing Smith next, right? KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 19:08, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No, she's doing Delaware Bay, a group restoration she's been promising to finish for several months. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 210 FCs served 21:44, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I certainly hope so Shoe; I've been waiting for that one for a while. Hold on, let me give Durova a shake of the head and a wag of the finger. NW</b> ( Talk ) 22:16, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Evidence presented by Durova
RE:

''After taking a couple of days off it isn't very much of a surprise to see this dispute at arbitration, but it is startling to discover the way it arrived and shocking to see myself compared to a cockroach. If any good can arise from this unfortunate situation let's hope it will be to see WP:CIVIL resume its former significance at this website.''

I just stumbled on this arbcom and saw this posting.

Durova, I apologized to you when you brought this up on my talk page:
 * "Durova, I am sorry, I was not comparing you to a cockroach. If it was seen as such, that was not my intention. I removed the edit."

To further elaborate, I was quoting another editor who was talking about sock puppets, and I was talking about the whole system itself, not singling out other editors as "cockroaches". I would never be so stupid as to say something that derogatory to an editor which would open me up to getting booted.

I removed your name from that section. And you seemed to accept my apology.

I would appreciate if you remove this opening section. Ikip (talk) 22:27, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, okay. Durova 320 22:55, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry if this is a little out of touch (been busy with other things). Struck through the talk page comment.  Anything else?  Durova 320 22:59, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, again, my deepest apologies for the misunderstanding, I would never, ever call an editor such a vile name. Ikip (talk) 23:01, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

FP

 * Thank you. :) Durova 320 01:00, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Peer review request
I've finally finished a major expansion of the inner German border article - it's the 20th anniversary next month of the border being opened and the fall of the Berlin Wall. I'd be very grateful if you could have a look at the article and let me have any comments on how you think it could be improved. -- ChrisO (talk) 14:55, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It's very good; have you put it into the DYK queue? Ought to be a leadoff there.  Seems to need a copyedit for clarity and tone, as well as heavier sourcing.  I've done a few tweaks and added a translation to one of the captions.  Not quite FA material yet, but you're well on your way.  Durova 321 04:53, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Note
Hi Durova. I know you volunteer a lot of time in the picture area, been known to do a little of that kind of stuff myself - good stuff ;). Anyway, and sorry for the lateness of dropping this; but: WikiProject Administrator.  I know you like to keep up on things, so I thought you might be interested.  Cheers. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  16:52, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the invitation. In the eyes of part of the community it would look like the death of common sense if I showed up there.  Best regards,  Durova 321 16:56, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ummm .. ok. I know you're highly respected around here, but as curious as I am .. I'm not even gonna ask.  Believe me, I've had more than enough "new information" lately - enough to last me months I think.  Back to the photos; I normally use Paint Shop Pro, just because I got to know it first.  I do have Adobe Photoshop, but don't use it very often.  I did the photos at the end of the Heidelberg Raceway article.  I scanned some very old 35mm negs. that I had, and the color was awful due to the age (1973).  I tried to clean them up and adjust them a little, ... do you have any tutorials on that type of work anywhere? - either on wiki or another site you might have. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  18:19, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If you could upload the scans (preferably in uncompressed format at least 10MB), I'll give them a look. How does that sound?  And yes, I am a disgraced former administrator: two years ago I blocked someone for 75 minutes and promptly reversed it with apologies.  Resigned afterward.  Political enemies have ensured I'll never live that down.  (shrug).  Cheers!  Durova 321 19:07, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Sigh ... not enough forgiveness in this world. Anyway ... my original scans are about 70 Mb .tiff files.  I doubt I have that much room at my web-friend.com domain, should I upload to commons?  And ones that big? — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  19:38, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the tardy reply. Yes, Commons accepts TIFF uploads up to 100MB.  TIFF format doesn't thumbnail yet; you'll just see a white card where the preview would normally be.  Please ping me with links when you're ready, and best wishes :)  Durova 321 05:05, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No apologies are needed Durova. I am as concerned and as troubled as you at the current situations.  Keep doing the good work you're doing, and we'll get my photo editing skills improved as time permits.  I'll try to get one of them uploaded tomorrow.  Cheers, and try to stay strong. ;) — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  05:27, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Discussion rather than a vote
Sorry to have made the mistake of moving that discussion in Wikipedia talk:Image use policy . I thought that you had intended to make it a vote, and had merely put it in the wrong section by accident. Eubulides (talk) 17:09, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No need for apologies; seemed like a perfectly good faith gesture. And thank you for the very prompt reply.  A couple of the responses turned slightly 'hot' (including my own, which perhaps I should amend).  A second look (post-coffee) shed a new light upon the frustration.  Perhaps I'll reformat the original part out of boldface, to make the whole thing clearer.  Durova 321 17:13, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

If you are going to attack somebody
Please name them. Your post comes across as very underhanded. Why must you make your comment into an ad homeinem attack? Why do you assume bad motives of other people just because they disagree with you? Jehochman Talk 19:20, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * There is a difference between opinion and attack. I have considered your conduct unseemly throughout this episode, and distaste for it has lost you the unqualified support I would otherwise have given.  On the merits I agree with you.  For days I have offered to certify RfC upon either of the primary disputants.  The other one has been willing to talk and we've come to understand each other a bit better, even though we maintain philosophical disagreement.  You, by contrast, blanked the message I left at your user talk (which was nearly identical to the one at hers) and have falsely accused me of attacks, hounding/stalking, underhanded behavior, etc. across multiple fora.  I have much better things to do than initiate a request for comment, but if these inappropriate actions continue it is possible I might rearrange those priorities.  Durova 321 19:44, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Your comment
I saw your comment at the arbitration page and agree with you. Yes, the email archive reveals some personal and potentially damaging information about people who have nothing to do with wikipedia. But the real life names of the 3rd parties were not disclosed, and the claims are very much unprovable. So, there is little to bother about, I hope.Biophys (talk) 22:08, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Related to your comment, has anyone specifically directed Mike Godwin to the arbitration for possible review? Legal accusations (libel/slander) are starting to get tossed around, which is getting uncomfortably close to NLT for me. I think the list screwed up in several ways, but that mess has turned into a freaking witch hunt. I fail to see how anything positive will ever come from that nightmare. I quite agree with the last part of your comments, Durova. Ravensfire (talk) 16:33, 6 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much. The individual projects govern themselves, so it's reasonable to suppose he has no formal relationship to it within en:wiki internal processes.  I am unaware whether he knows about the case, but if he does know about it he probably would decline to comment.  Yes, this arbitration is very worrisome.  Aside from the named parties themselves, I worry about the direction this takes the Committee and the community.  Thinking about it, there's another precedent in addition to the Bluemarine case.  Remember Mantanmoreland?  One set of people believed he was socking abusively and another set believed he was the victim of severe harassment: a bone of contention was a piece of evidence that hadn't been gotten by completely up-and-up means.  Either one trusted it or was repelled by it.  What finally resolved that dispute was a hard look through the legitimate evidence, which concluded he was socking.  Hardly anyone defended him afterward.  The right kind of evidence went a long way toward mending a rift that had divided the community for two years.  Durova 321 17:32, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK for I Didn't Raise My Boy To Be A Soldier

 * Thank you. :) Durova 321 13:23, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Done
I've removed my vote. That probably means much to you.  Zoo Fari  23:34, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You're entitled to your opinion. All I ask is that our differences remain respectful. :)  Thank you very much for your consideration.  Durova 321 01:23, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. My mind is set on other things right now, so I'd rather not participate on this second Mfd. Good luck,  Zoo Fari  01:50, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've left a message at VPC talk that perhaps sheds a different light on the issue.  Access to historic media presents challenges that editors to other areas can scarcely imagine.  To paraphrase a concept from an editorial I ought to finish, if what you need is a book published 100 years ago, you can probably get it through interlibrary loan.  But interlibrary loan doesn't exist if what you need is a wax cylinder audio recording.  Similar basic obstacles apply to historic visual media.  Access is such a fundamental issue for us that we aren't ready to distinguish good material from great material.  Perhaps five years from now if we're very successful with negotiations, we'll be ready to replace existing historic FPs and shift them to VP.  But the principal issue right now is to show the museums and archives that FP is possible.  Within visual media you and I do very different work; does that explanation make sense to you?  Durova 321 02:36, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

RFC norms
Hi

I've not participated in many of these, just wondered what you see as the way forward for the A Nobody one. Should there be some kind of summary or is it usual to just leave these as they are? pablo <sub style="background-color: #ffc; color: #c30;">hablo. 15:40, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, basically one more request for participation to his user talk would be good. I left a request during the early days.  Perhaps better if someone else did--someone who usually gets along with him.  If he starts to participate we can play it by ear.  Otherwise, a week after the request a motion to close would probably be accepted by both sides.  It would probably be best if someone who isn't his ideological opponent actually writes the motion to close, when that time comes.  Best regards,  Durova 321 15:48, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * OK. As I don't always get along, and have no idea of his views on my ideology, I'll do … nothing! Thanks. pablo <sub style="background-color: #ffc; color: #c30;">hablo. 16:05, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Lise,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Queen Wilhelmina2.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on October 10, 2009. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2009-10-10.  howcheng  {chat} 05:12, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Apologies.
It was brought to my attention I accidently removed a comment you posted on ANI. I believe we e/c when I was changing my ANI title from P.a. to Incivility []. It was then interpated that I meant yopur post. I didn't, my apologies. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:14, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No need for apologies. The system does that occasionally and I never supposed it was deliberate.  Thank you very much for being considerate. :)  Durova 322 16:23, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

For the record
I've been spending the last while gathering sources for Asia League Ice Hockey as its my next GA target. However due to the heavy japanese bias (most of the teams are japanese and the headquarters are in japan) a lot of the sources are in japanese, and don't always get translated, which makes it a tough slog. I hope you realize its nothing personal and had any other editor made that same comment, I would have said the exact same thing. If a consensus developed to allow you to proxy in his contributions, I would have respected it. It looks instead like there is a recommendation to unblock.--Crossmr (talk) 17:35, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

You're a top ranker in Commons
Howdy - you might be interested in this conversation that contains the ranking of contributors to Commons based upon total size of all file uploads. Congrats! Confirms what we all knew - you give a lot. --<font color="navy" size="2" face="comic sans ms">>David <font color="navy" size="2" face="comic sans ms">Shankbone  21:47, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol, thanks for the link. Hadn't known of that conversation. :)  Durova 322 21:51, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, number 27 including bots? Golly...  Durova 322 21:55, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That deserves a big "Thank you!" --<font color="navy" size="2" face="comic sans ms">>David <font color="navy" size="2" face="comic sans ms">Shankbone  21:56, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Proxying contributions from blocked users
Hi there,

I just read over some of the drama on WP:ANI. I'm mostly a lurker, and I will admit that I am not usually a big fan of your contributions at these dramas. But I wanted to tell you that I strongly admire and applaud your offer to proxy positive content contributions from a banned/blocked editor. It shows a good understanding of the project principles on a practical level, and I'm glad to see it expressed at ANI. For whatever it's worth, coming from me. :)

Thanks. kmccoy (talk) 02:53, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I second the above. —<font face="Baskerville Old Face"> Ed  (talk  •  contribs)  02:56, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you both very much. :) Durova 322 05:16, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

WikiCup submissions
Hi, please see Wikipedia talk:WikiCup.  iMatthew  talk   at 18:46, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Enfin seuls
I noticed this among the featured picture noms. There's a mistranslation in the caption: It's not "Journey of a soldier" but "Soldier's day". The French parliament arranged a day's leave at Christmas for infantrymen so they could get home to their families. The "journé" in the Library of Congress catalogue is probably a transcription error (for "journée") as "journé" doesn't appear in the definitive dictionary of the French language at the Academie francaise.

All the best,

Roger Davies talk 07:57, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the background. You're probably correct about that.  Should've caught that transcription error myself.  Durova 322 13:56, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Code talker edit
Hi Durova, I'm not comfortable with this edit you've made to the article. You've eliminated a cn tag with your rewording, but it seems to me that at the same time you've removed a very concise explanation of why "code talkers" were so effective, namely that they communicated in a language with different syntax, word forms &c. The extant wording was appropriate to the article lede, as explication of the content, though it lacked a direct cite. Your rewording is also correct, but it leaves out the gist of "why" communication security was enhanced - I would think this would be salient to a new reader of the article, so maybe you could revisit your edit?

As an aside, I not long ago read a magazine bit on how the Navajo language is closely associated with the Dene people and I'm not sure as to whether there were some genetic studies in there too. I'll try to dig it up, assuming I still have it, but there was a suggestion that a bunch of people decided to walk 4000 km south! Regards. Franamax (talk) 23:11, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If you'd like to revise it please do. The edit summary of the IP that added the tag caught my attention, and although it's unusual to tag information within introductions that specific summary did appear to broaden the assertion beyond anything in the sources.  It isn't merely the use of language which made certain codes effective, but the unlikelihood that the enemy had any access to people who would recognize the language (much less understand it).  Scaled the introductory assertion back accordingly.  Don't have books on hand for the specifics, but General Vogel's recommendation letter and the National Archives summary stress the distinctiveness of the language.  Was on the fence about how to express that since Navajo isn't quite on par with Basque in that regard.  Nearly a language isolate was the best wording that came to mind; feel free to substitute.  It would be interesting if you have sources on when linguists discovered that association.


 * And in reply to your aside, yes the evidence appears to be that they migrated south a great distance before coming into contact with Europeans. Durova 322 23:38, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Hoax articles
Durova, it looks like the writer Tahir Shah (or an associate of his) has taken to creating hoax articles and inserting fake citations in Wikipedia in support of an upcoming book of his. He's engaged in problematic editing behaviour in the past, under a variety of user names (there is an old COIN thread in the archives; personally, I think a site-ban is in order). See Talk:Hannibal Fogg. Would appreciate it if you could have a look into it. -- JN 466  15:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the post. Have you considered renewing the COIN thread?  Durova 322 15:37, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I may do; but I can't do it today (real life impinging badly, I'm behind with two deadlines). The main editor responsible for the sudden surfeit of Wikipedia references to "Hannibal Fogg" seems to be (most likely Shah himself; running a Checkuser of this account against the COIN accounts might help).   JN  466  15:44, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I think this is something where The Register could make itself useful for once.  JN 466  15:46, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you have a link to the old COIN thread? Durova 322 16:00, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, just found it. It's here. Thanks. -- JN 466  16:15, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Old checkuser: Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Mikegooderson -- JN 466  16:19, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * With a previous checkuser coming up positive on all checks, that looks like a good enough basis to request a new check. The thing that's really worrisome is the possibility that this might be a promotional hoax.  It's best to be extremely cautious about advancing such a hypothesis.  But if someone has the time and the appropriate source access, if one or more of those citations are actually falsified then there would be a strong case for a community ban.  Definitely something that needs to be fully verified before asserting.  Durova 325
 * I've checked the book on Balliol College that is cited in Hannibal Fogg in google books; it exists, but there is no mention of "Fogg" anywhere in it, and the only "Hannibal" mentioned in it is Hannibal Baskerville.
 * Another source cited in Hannibal Fogg is http://www.hannibalfoggsociety.org – "founded 1954" the website says, but Whois says the website was only established last month, and lists Tahir Shah as its administrator.
 * Another source cited in Hannibal Fogg is British Intelligence: Secrets, Spies and Sources by Stephen Robert Twigge, Graham Macklin, Edward Hampshire (2008). It is searchable in google books; according to google books, there is no mention of "Hannibal" or "Fogg" in the entire book. The Hannibal Fogg article has this sentence cited to it: "Through family contacts, he [Fogg] secured a commission with the Royal Engineers."
 * Spies of the First World War, cited twice in Hannibal Fogg, won't be published until 30 November in the UK, and April 2010 in the US, according to amazon. Okay, he might have had an advance copy, but combined with everything else I would not hold my breath that there is anything on "Hannibal Fogg" on the indicated pages.
 * Another source cited in Hannibal Fogg is "Travels in Mongolia and China" by "Akiko" (Columbia University Press); it seems to be just made up:
 * Nor is there a mention of "Hannibal Fogg" in any other google-listed book, news article or scholarly paper:, nor are there any independent mentions of the various books and papers "Fogg" is supposed to have written.
 * I dropped a note on his talk page, but the evidence looks pretty conclusive. (Last time he did not respond to talk page messages.) -- JN  466  17:48, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I am not sure which noticeboard would be appropriate, because there are multiple issues involved: conflict of interest, likely sockpuppeting and, unless I am very much mistaken, deliberate creation of deceptive and self-serving content, over a period of several years.  JN 466  18:14, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Had a look at the Balliol College book. It's the same edition as the one cited within the article, but the article cites page 255 which is not included in the Google Books preview. Presumably the Google Books text search would only return material that was actually part of the preview.[Based upon this result Durova 325 18:48, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Google books text searches do cover the entire book, including pages that do not appear in preview. When a page is not part of the preview, a non-clickable mock-up of the page with the words is shown in the search results.  JN 466  18:57, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you sure? Was just looking at the second one, which is a snippet.  Durova 325 19:00, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. For example, enter "College" as the search term. The top match is from page 309, which is not part of the preview. The next match is from page 253, just two pages away from page 255. Etc.  JN 466  19:03, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I see. What makes you suppose that this BLP subject is the same person as the editor?  Unless the evidence for that connection is airtight it would be better to frame any complaint purely in terms of the onsite behavior.  It may seem like the writer's interests, but there have been occasional instances malicious spoofing in other odd situations.  Durova 325 19:09, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The real-life identity of the puppetmaster was not established in the previous checkuser case, and as far as I am concerned, it is fairly immaterial for Wikipedia purposes whether it is the writer, an associate, or a misguided fan of his. While the IP location and writing style were suggestive, there is no need to push that point.
 * There are a couple of threads related to this on my talk page; one of them has just been started by .  JN 466  19:18, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, have commented. The situation to really guard against is a rare one: people who are notable enough for Wikipedia biographies occasionally have their own celebrity stalkers.  And when that happens the stalker may try to damage the BLP subject's reputation through impersonation.  Just speaking generally, it's one of the possibilites to consider.  Durova 325 20:01, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Wise words. For what it's worth, I have an IP number: . This edit was made within minutes of three other edits by, also inserting references to "Hannibal Fogg". The IP resolves to Maidstone in Kent, UK. It's not Casablanca, as in the COIN case, but it is just 10 miles or so from Langton Green, Kent, the Shah family's English residence. Of course, that edit was a month ago. -- JN 466  20:32, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

← I have checked the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography which is cited twice as a reference in Hannibal Fogg. There is no article for Hannibal Fogg. There are in fact only two Foggs; # Fogg, Gordon Elliot  [Tony] (1919–2005), botanist and ecologist and # Fogg, Laurence (c.1630–1718), dean of Chester. Hannibal Fogg should be speedied as a hoax. pablo <sub style="text-shadow: 3px 3px 3px rgba(255,255,0,0.75); color: #c30;">hablo. 20:48, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * update - I tagged it db-hoax and now it's gone.  pablo <sub style="text-shadow: 3px 3px 3px rgba(255,255,0,0.75); color: #c30;">hablo. 22:49, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've removed all the mentions of Hannibal Fogg inserted in about a dozen articles. It'll probably be wise to run regular searches to see if any have reappeared. Just remains to decide what to do with the editor(s) – Special:Contributions/Patrick_H.Ingram was involved too. That editor also edited Robert Twigger, a real-life friend of Shah's. Just in terms of whether it's plausible for Shah himself to be involved, see . The Hannibal Fogg Society website ("founded 1954") is registered to another author, Jason Webster, with Tahir Shah named as admin. If you look at Webster's article, you'll see that there are documented veracity issues with his work. Webster and Shah are friends and write nice reviews for each other. Shah's father and uncle were involved in a literary scandal 40 years ago involving Robert Graves; they claimed they had an old manuscript of Omar Khayyam's Rubaiyyat, which everyone subsequently concluded was a hoax. So it would not be out of character. And by the way, that is not to say their books ain't fun. :)  JN 466  21:21, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Here the chap's website, currently presenting Hannibal Fogg as a real person: http://www.tahirshah.com/ "HANNIBAL FOGG AND THE SUPREME SECRET OF MAN... I have been working like a maniac! After getting back from Tibet at the start of August, I buckled down and churned out a huge novel based on the life of the Edwardian explorer Hannibal Fogg. More on it in the weeks and months ahead. Very excited by it." -- JN 466  22:38, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Right. Well since the article has been speedied it's harder to check the sources now.  How about filing a CU request for the accounts?  You seem to know more about this than anyone.  Durova 325 22:58, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It's still in google cache for now. I'll work on it, but probably tomorrow. -- JN 466  23:13, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Nods, quite an odd situation. I should scurry back to Photoshop though.  What made you come to me?  Durova 325 23:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * One, because you have wide experience, especially in handling situations involving BLP subjects; two, because I know you like sleuthing, and this thing involves some; and three, because notwithstanding our many past run-ins I had complete faith that you care about this project and would share my concern at seeing it abused in this way. POV pushing is one thing; knowingly and methodically inserting outright lies in it somehow is quite another. -- JN 466  23:41, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Not sure you need this now, as the article is deleted, but in case it's of future use: I have the Balliol College book ISBN 0199201811 in my hands at the moment (I'm a member of WP:OXFORD and buy Oxford-related second-hand books with the aim of helping with articles / lists when time permits). Page 255 is simply a photograph of Ezra Hancock, head porter from 1891 to 1914. There is no "Fogg" in the index. Regards, BencherliteTalk 15:42, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking it up. If something like this comes up again, I'll know where to ask. ;) -- JN 466  01:44, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * P.S.: It seems we are part of an establishment conspiracy: http://hannibalfoggsociety.org/HFS/Purge.html -- JN 466  22:12, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Is there anything still happening on Wikipedia with this? Durova 348 22:20, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Not at the moment. I keep checking every once in a while that fake references to "Fogg" aren't being reinserted. -- JN  466  23:03, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Well it's a hoot to see someone mistake us for co-conspirators. ;) Cheers,  Durova 348 23:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * :))  JN 466  23:08, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Image comment
I have to say, Durova, I love this image, it's just great! Staxringold talkcontribs 16:05, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. :) Durova 325 16:53, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

File:Skull and crossmops.jpg
The descriptor of this image should probably be modified. It looks like it just has the Wiki-tan descriptor in the comment section. JoshuaZ (talk) 01:57, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Go for it. :) Durova 325 02:30, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

400th
That'd be me. Stealing Ched's idea, I say alternate accounts ftw :-) <font face="Impact"> Allanon  ♠The Dark Druid♠ 02:54, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Rofl, it's been hovering around 398-400 for a couple of weeks now. The offer originally went to the first self-identified account that admitted to being number 400.  But you'll get one too for sheer chutzpah.  (To other lurkers, that's it now.  No more...until we near another landmark).  Now lemme find a barnstar and get back to Photoshop to catch up on featured credits. ;)  Durova 325 03:25, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

"Early-closing" ANI thread about RfA
Just out of curiosity, what was the need to collapse the discussion? Collapsing is usually not done for such a short discussion. Along with your edit summary, it felt a bit nasty to me. Have I violated ANI etiquette in some way? It's possible that I did, I'd just like to know. Thanks. Equazcion (talk) 04:47, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No insult intended. In past RfAs where an experienced editor firmly wanted the candidacy to remain open, it did.  Kelly Martin was the most notable example of that.  The best way to handle that is to comply with the request and give it as little attention as possible.  On the whole it's just a distraction from the important stuff.  Best regards,  Durova 325 04:59, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Lise,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Amsterdam photochrom2.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on October 15, 2009. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2009-10-15.  howcheng  {chat} 20:57, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

User:Durova/Triple crown winner's circle/Nominations: My nomination
Please check my nomination at the page. I am the 2nd major contributor in FA Ganesha and the FAC nominator. Check it fits the "major contributor" constraint, else feel free to remove it. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 12:35, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Word
That is to say, I totally agree. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:38, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. :) Durova 325 15:50, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

I do not understand your posts on my page

 * I cannot make sense out of these posts. Could you explain what is being meant here? Could you give diffs so that I would know what on earth this refers to? Are you saying that you have a joke account and I did something bad to that joke account in dyk? I can't follow what you are saying. Can you clearly explain exactly what I did in that situation that was wrong? I assure you that if I ever knew a dyk was by a sockpuppet, I would skip it and let someone else deal with it. At the most, I would ask Art LaPella was to do.  Regards, — Mattisse  (Talk) 13:05, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * There has been a pattern in the past where people have attempted to give you candid and productive feedback, and you asked the individuals for continual clarification, telling them you did not understand while telling others the feedback was an attack. Now it appears that you have indeed 'made sense of' my posts.  Last night I offered assurance that it was not my intention to attack you and asked whether you had been referring to me.  Before this goes any farther, please answer the question.  Durova 326 15:04, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

dead horses
RE:

"Beaten that dead horse much lately?" Protonk? Lar? You're both intelligent people. Why would you want to extend a venue where editors who are not the primary subject of scrutiny conduct that sort of dialog?

Thanks, you comment was much more constructive than mine would have been. Ikip (talk) 19:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I don't want arbitration any more than anybody, but it's disappointing to see the direction things have taken there.  Better to cut one's losses sometimes.  Durova 326 19:41, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

About RfC on A Nobody
Hi. It seems I finally did a formatting stuff up; I should've moved the move to close straight to the talk page to begin with but somehow, I merely ended up changing the title of the headers. I've now moved it; but one of your comments has been sort-of lost - it wasn't too significant so I think you'll be ok with it, but if you still want it to be on record, please reinsert/modify it accordingly. The reason moves to close are usually stuck on the talk page is to avoid the "users who do not endorse this summary"-type section, and so discussion can occur on talk page (though this has been ignored on a couple of occasions where there was no disagreements with closing). Hope that helps and thank you for understanding, Ncmvocalist (talk) 21:22, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No need; I've withdrawn. The way this has progressed is absurdity itself.  I wash my hands of it.  Durova 326 21:25, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

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Its just the A board is scary. Sorry if it was my input that seemned absurd. FeydHuxtable (talk) 21:40, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Not you in particular. And thank you very much for the cookie; it's delicious. :)  Mainly it's a matter of having proposed a resolution openly for a week, and to encounter complaints only after it was actually implemented.  Time to get back to content.  Best wishes.  Durova 326 21:48, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

The Donner Party

 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Donner_Party&diff=prev&oldid=320339418
 * Jose and Luis, I believe their names were, and they were eaten, too; see Ordeal by Hunger (the actual book)
 * Stewart, George R. Ordeal by Hunger The Story of The Donner Party, first published 1936.

Cheers, Jack Merridew 03:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. Want to fix that or should I?  Durova 327 03:39, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I gotta go; they were not part of the rescue efforts from Fort Sutter, they were, ah, support contractors for much of the journey. They were part of the 'snowshoe party' that tried to get over the pass rather early in the winter. The folks on improvised snowshoes didn't get through, had a hard time, and whacked the Indians for dinner. It's been 15 years since I read that book. Cheers, Jack Merridew 03:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll chew on it. ;) Durova 327 03:50, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

It's on Google Books. Their names were Luis and Salvador. The cite for their being shot by Foster would be page 146. An interesting quote from page 138 would be: "Should not an Indian be killed that a white man might live?"
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=_b2CqPb9slIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Ordeal+by+Hunger+The+Story+of+The+Donner+Party#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Sincerely, Jack Merridew 13:31, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Manet The Raven
Shouldn't and  be included in the set? Shoemaker's Holiday Over 213 FCs served 05:26, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Originally I had considered that, which is why the first in the series is lettered "B" instead of "A". But those are the frontispiece and end pieces and they don't illustrate particular scenes from the poem.  I thought that was basically explained in the upload notes for the set?  Durova 327 13:34, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

File:Gama2 crop.jpg
The date has a typo. I guess it's supposed to be 1890, but I don't know how to edit that picture. --Mika1h (talk) 13:36, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right; fixed the typo. The image is hosted at Wikimedia Commmons, so clicking through to the Commons link is the way to correct that kind of thing in future.  Thanks very much for the heads up. :)  Durova 331 16:26, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Mentorship
Hi there. I have, after careful consideration, decided to make the FP section my home here at Wikipedia. You all are nice people, and really, I love the work being done there. I have an interest in becoming more actively involved. Any guidence you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Please feel free to post on my talk page. Also, I am interested in learning the closing procedure, as that seems to be the key (unless you can edit or take great photos) to becoming a power player in the FP section. Nezzadar  ☎   17:55, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Aw, thanks I guess. You think I'm nice? rubs hands greedily with an evil cackle  Seriously though, if you're interested in the area it'd be much better to take up an specialty" and get good at it than to strive to become a "power player", whatever that is.  I'd be glad to coach restoration if that interests you.  Durova 331 19:40, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Lise,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Mediterranean chart fourteenth century2.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on October 22, 2009. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2009-10-22.  howcheng  {chat} 04:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

My nominations
I was hoping to get feedback from you and the other editors on the recent nominations for FP that I made. Even if you don't vote, comments are useful as they will steer me in the right direction in looking for future hidden gems. I saw you are online and figured I'd send you this message. Nezzadar  ☎   04:36, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * We all specialize. I'm not the best judge of vector graphics.  It's usually best to spread things out and/or choose totally different genres and subjects for variety.  Might wait a few days and see what other editors have to say about most of those.  Durova 331 04:54, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

RFA spam

 * &mdash;Kww(talk) 18:59, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Suprised?

 * Lol at the title, and thank you. Durova 331 19:17, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Geocities CLOSING
Hi Durova

Regarding your discussions with others about not using Geocities as sources. Unless I am crazy, I have read that Geocities is to be closed. I believe before the end of October 2009. This month!

Anything that is linked will naturally become unavailable, irrespective of its in/accuracy as a source. Just mentioning it in case you hadn't heard.

--220.101.28.25 (talk) 19:58, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hadn't heard the date particularly, but yes. The self-published instances and other occasions where Geocities could be considered reliable would probably still be cover-able through the Internet Archive.  Durova 332 20:35, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Update Copy/Paste Straight off the front page: http://geocities.yahoo.com/

GEOCITIES IS CLOSING ON OCTOBER 26, 2009. --220.101.28.25 (talk) 01:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Lise,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Mirror writing2.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on October 24, 2009. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2009-10-24.  howcheng  {chat} 22:52, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Japanese archer 1878b.jpg follows on October 25.  howcheng  {chat} 23:34, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Looking ahead, File:Beethoven death mask4.jpg will be on December 17.  howcheng  {chat} 00:04, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. :) Durova 332 00:24, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

In my defense...
Norton AntiVirus has a feature that keeps randomly turning on and filling in identity fields with my information. You'd be amazed at how many emails I've sent to myself. I promise I'm not this foolish. <font face="Segoe Print" color="black">AniMate <font face="Segoe Print" color="black">draw  04:12, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * All the best people block themselves. You're in good company.  Cheers!  Durova 333 04:19, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. On a completely unrelated note, have you ever considered writing a guide to featured images. I know we have Featured_picture_criteria and How_to_improve_image_quality, but the sheer volume of your feature credits make me think you know some tricks others could benefit from. I ask because I know you offered to help Drew R. Smith on Skype with some techniques so he could participate over at Commons while he was blocked here. Perhaps writing some of those tips here would be a nice way to get some more participation from the masses. <font face="Segoe Print" color="black">AniMate  <font face="Segoe Print" color="black">draw  04:34, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

It's difficult because there are so many angles to it. I've dabbled with Wikiversity. These days am mostly putting observations into the blog. Maybe after the WikiCup ends. Have been pulling out the stops these final weeks second place and gaining... :) Durova 333 04:48, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Good luck with that. Hope you do well. I have to say the sheer volume of work you guys are doing in the WikiCup is amazing. <font face="Segoe Print" color="black">AniMate <font face="Segoe Print" color="black">draw  05:10, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. :) Durova 333 14:50, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

File:Mediterranean chart fourteenth century2.jpg
Congrats for FPOD. I saw it and immediately thought - is it yours? And it is :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:47, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you; it's the oldest map in the Library of Congress collection. :) Durova 333 20:15, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Gettysburg Solider
Nezzadar recommended I talk to you about restoration for the Confederate Dead at Devil's Den Gettysburg photo I nominated. Do you think you can do anything for it? -- ZeWrestler  Talk 00:06, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * At full resolution (86mb) it looks like the top third of that image was torn away. Can't restore data that isn't there.  But I could dig around for something else on a similar theme.  Durova 333 00:37, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Torn away? I thought that was distant background initially. Looking at it again, that makes sense. =( Shame. -- ZeWrestler  Talk 03:22, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Rebalance File:ChineseExclusionSkeletonCartoon.jpg
Hi. File:ChineseExclusionSkeletonCartoon.jpg is being discussed as a potential Featured Picture candidate, but the picture needs rebalancing. Can you rebalance it and upload it to Picture peer review/A skeleton in the closet please? If you have anymore questions, please respond on my talkpage. Secret Saturdays (talk) 03:16, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Yum
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Oregon Trail maps?
I was looking at Wikipedia_talk:Featured_picture_candidates/Archive_22 and am interested in the maps but don't see them in the article or on Commons. Did I miss them in front of my face or are they somewhere else/not online? TransUtopian (talk) 15:30, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * They were a difficult bunch and I decided to put them off for several reasons: scanned on an old miscalibrated scanner and really truly more labor than even i have patience for. But if you're interested, sec while I get the files.  Durova 333 15:55, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Start with this and the others are a click or two away. Durova 333 16:00, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I see, and thank you very much! TransUtopian (talk) 16:38, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

edits
I've been a bit worried about some of your recent nominations: Some of them seem far, far below what you're capable of, and, more oddly, come about in things that are simple and which you're well-known for doing well, like colour adjustment. As you know, it's much harder to deal with changes after the image has passed without disruptive delists and replaces, and I've seen some problems where it was either me editing it, or the only action I could do in good conscience was oppose.

An early oppose would likely kill the nomination. I'm attempting to do what will be least disruptive.

Try checking the brightness and contrast on your monitor: Perhaps what you're seeing isn't very typical. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 213 FCs served 16:18, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * (ec'd) Actually, Shoemaker, you'll notice that particular restoration was one I finished in May. Had already uploaded it and placed it in articles when I made the hard decision to join your boycott; never got around to nominating. But overall it would be much better if you focused on your own work: you have eight images currently on FPC suspension over color issues; you haven't responded to my offer to assist with that batch. Considering that I've had to request Oversight regarding your posts twice this week, if you aren't willing to respond to cooperative offers then perhaps you're better off not worrying about my restorations at all. Durova 333 16:35, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You made it conditional on John Paul Jones. As per below, I cannot work with what you gave me. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 213 FCs served 16:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

John Paul Jones
I reviewed, and remembered why I dropped this:

You sent me a version cropped, and I believe with a partial levels adjustment or a small rotate. The crop removed clear artistic intent: The drawn-in frame seen here, but, as I recall, the changes made it impossible to just paste it in, or the size made my pre-update computer chug to a halt.

Hence, I'm afraid I consider it impossible to move forwards with that given the materials provided, unless I restart from scratch. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 213 FCs served 16:51, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You never gave any feedback until now, or else I certainly would have supplied the interim edit without levels adjustment (which I thought you already had). It seemed like the sort of thing you could fix in an hour.  At any rate, don't worry about it if it puts you out.  By all means use the color skills you recently acquired for the eight part set.  That probably wraps things up for now, so best wishes with your nomination.  Durova 333 17:47, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Tuskegee airman
Hi there Durova. I just recently found the image File:Tuskegee airman2.jpg, which I saw that you restored and proposed for FPC a while back. I decided to renominate it, but of course I will wait for your approval before putting it up. Just tell me when you want me to transclude it. Cheers, <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) 01:30, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Lise,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Salem witch2.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on October 31, 2009. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2009-10-31.  howcheng  {chat} 06:03, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/Mignon Nevada

 * Thank you. :) Durova 340 20:45, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * O.O That was fast!! Makeemlighter (talk) 20:47, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Happened to be loading a page, saw the 'new messages' bar. :) Durova 340 20:51, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/Delaware Bay 1639

 * Did the co-nominators do any editing of this image? I only credited you on the FP page. Thanks. Makeemlighter (talk) 20:56, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, they both worked very hard and deserve credit. Thank you for asking.  Durova 340 20:59, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Makeemlighter (talk) 21:04, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * :) Thank you. Durova 340 21:06, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Musings
If 404 people watchlist your page, is anyone really watching it? *looks innocent* --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 04:21, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Um, is this a witty play on the Lord Kitchener FP promotion? Durova 345 04:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope, it's an HTTP 404 joke. Obviously a bad one. See here for a good one. :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 05:18, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Category Invite
Please add the category to your userpage. The category is for ease of access to a list of serial FP contributors, and will not be used for spam. Thanks,  Nezzadar   ☎   17:16, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

LOC error: Lord Kitchener picture
Given your excellent contacts with the Library of Congress, you may wish to point out to them that they're miscatalogued File:Lord_Kitchener_duty5.jpg.

It's not Lord Kitchener but Frederick Roberts, 1st Earl Roberts. Bobs Roberts was also a very popular FM during WWI but unlike Kitchener, he won the VC, shown bottom right of the image. Given that one British Edwardian field marshal looks very much like another, the misattribution is not really surprising.

Best,  Roger Davies  talk 20:22, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * What's your source for that, please? Durova 347 21:22, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Source for what?  Roger Davies  talk 21:25, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * A source for the basis of your identification. Just something so they can reconfirm independently when I email them.  Durova 347 21:30, 27 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I just recognised him. But I've since found this at the Smithsonian. Key things are that Roberts held the Victoria Cross, had a long thin face and was in his eighties when he died; Kitchener was square-faced and died in his fifties. Both are obviously field marshals (hence the baton). Roberts died on the Western Front; Kitchener was drowned. The style of their moustaches is also different. Good luck,  Roger Davies  talk 21:52, 27 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Here's another catalogue listing, much more detailed. It looks like VADS (reliable UK academic resource) took the information from the Imperial War Museum catalogue listing. The LOC have made a huge blooper here.  Roger Davies  talk 22:03, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for the catch! Will have to change the use of the image, and will email the LoC staff.  Durova 348 02:45, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * And thank you very much for the barnposter :)  Roger Davies  talk 22:02, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Port Arthur
Hey, any help w/ Port Arthur would be appreciated. I can shoot you the tif. Staxringold talkcontribs 02:30, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Will have a look next time I'm on Skype. Durova 348 02:46, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! Staxringold talkcontribs 04:08, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I see the three circles. Sadly, however, I accidentally overwrote the original crop.tif file when trying to make crop2.jpg (wanted to save it as a new tiff, accidentally just saved it straight). Staxringold talkcontribs 14:38, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Really, I'd advise you to withdraw the nomination. Let's find something else more to size.  Durova 348 14:40, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Meh, I'll let it run it's course. I think it's still HQ, but if it fails it fails. Staxringold talkcontribs 14:44, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Honestly? It's really not up to par.  Not even close.  Better to nominate the unedited version than what you've got.  It might not show up on your monitor, but there's serious problems here.  Durova 348 14:46, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

WIN button
Why couldn't a Wikipedian simply go and photograph such a button? I don't believe that it's nonreplaceable, especially since the design is so simple that a photograph of the button would not be a derivative of a copyrighted work. Nyttend (talk) 13:47, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, they've been out of circulation for 35 years and few of them were kept because they were so despised. But that's a fair reason for your decision; not that big a deal either way.  Thanks for the swift response. :)  Durova 348 13:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Discussion closing at AN
I think AN is as good a place as any to hold a policy discussion, especially on an issue that regards admin actions, and a possible policy that would affect admins. If the location is so paramount, why not move the discussion to a more appropriate place, instead of shutting it down? Equazcion  (talk)  03:46, 29 Oct 2009 (UTC)
 * It had been referred to the appropriate place several hours earlier. Any of the participants were (and are) welcome to resume it elsewhere.  In the larger picture, maintaining the equal footing of non-admins and admins in the crafting of guidelines and policies is more important than the progress of any particular discussion.  If local consensus had formed and the community were presented with a package proposal as a quasi-done deal, then that would significantly alter the balance of power at this website.  It isn't very difficult to move to a larger venue and avoid that trap.  Respectfully,  Durova 348 03:54, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * So again why not move it, rather than shut it down? The discussion seemed to be getting somewhere, from my point of view at least, and it's easier said than done to restart from scratch somewhere else. Equazcion   (talk)  03:56, 29 Oct 2009 (UTC)
 * Why not? Primarily because I was wrapping up one featured picture candidate nomination and returning to Photoshop to work on another featured content drive: restoration for an 1925 photograph of a Buddhist temple in Seoul. We need more Korean content; the restoration is a way to express thanks to a very hardworking editor who's been working to correct systemic bias in that area.  Durova 348 04:07, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If you're too busy to do something in the best way possible, you shouldn't just wing it for the time being. There are no emergencies. Even if that were the reason, and you're acknowledging that a move would've been the ideal choice, why not do that now? Or are you still busy with Korean content? I can wait, just give me some ballpark timeframe. Equazcion   (talk)  04:16, 29 Oct 2009 (UTC)
 * You've been around long enough to be familiar with WP:BEANS and WP:SOFIXIT. It happens to be my opinion that closure of that discussion with primary referral to ArbCom is the ideal way of dealing with that particular situation.  You disagree, which you have a right to do, but it does not follow that your reasons alter my priorities.  In less time than it took to post to this user talk you could have reopened the discussion elsewhere on your own initiative; I have no objection if you do.  At this juncture, the overhanging eaves of that temple are my priority--or more to the point, resolving surface scratches while maintaining the integrity of the underlying woodwork.  This means work within deep shadow, and the human eye does not adjust swiftly from a fullscreen of that to the Wikipedia interface.  So any additional replies will probably be delayed.  Thank you for your understanding.  Durova 348 04:28, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how BEANS relates to this, but anyway; I could technically do it myself, and would love to, but haven't and probably won't. It would be more accepted coming from you, the one who closed it to begin with. Worse still, I was a participant in the discussion, and a re-opening by someone involved is potentially not taken well. This is why I see these kinds of closings as so harmful -- the participants can't really do anything about it. A supposedly objective party found reason to close it, and participants are automatically biased about whether it should continue. My best hope is that someone else uninvolved comes along and re-opens it, but I doubt anyone would take an interest in a collapsed discussion. So I'm stuck. I hope your restorations are coming along nicely. Equazcion   (talk)  04:38, 29 Oct 2009 (UTC)
 * If anyone accuses you of forum shopping, you may cite this diff and this discussion in response. Durova 348 04:41, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Essay, neutral point of view
Hi Durova, Maybe it was somebody else who created it, but I thought I remembered that you recently wrote an essay on attaining a neutral point of view in an article. The essay mentioned how an article can balance news sources in order to present perspectives that are at odds with one another. I can't locate that essay now. Did you write it? Thanks for any guidance you can give me on how to locate it. Bus stop (talk) 16:21, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Reliable sources may be non-neutral :) Durova 348 16:25, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you! That's it! Bus stop (talk) 16:33, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Essay
You wrote an essay a long time ago, about remembering there is always a trail, we should be careful how we edit. There was a picture of footprints in the grass I believe. I want to link/cite it in a blog entry. You contribute so much :) that I can't go through all your contributions in one sitting. Do you remember the shortcut or page title to it?  Thanks, NonvocalScream (talk) 23:51, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You could be referring to User:Durova/The dark side. Equazcion   (talk)  23:59, 29 Oct 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, thank you! NonvocalScream (talk) 00:01, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Lise,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Havana 1639b.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on January 1, 2010. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2010-01-01. Now that Noodle snacks fixed the thumbnailing problem, I can finally schedule this one. Alas, it happened too late to October 28 (the sighting of Cuba by Columbus), and I didn't want to make this guy wait a whole 'nother year, so it's going on the anniversary of the founding of the Republic of Cuba. Hopefully we won't hear too many complaints from wingnuts about the date.  howcheng  {chat} 00:03, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Olympics Images
Hey, question, although I know you're busy what with dominating the wikicup and all. Have been doing some prep work on articles for the 2010 Winter Olympics, and came across some images from the Bundesarchiv of early Winter Olympics that are over on commons. Don't know if you're interested, but it would be great to have one or two of them fixed up and ready for February. Some of the most interesting include shots of, , , and my personal favorite,. Don't know if the image quality of the originals is such that they can be restored but, well, it would be cool to have a good fp at the start of the games. Geraldk (talk) 01:08, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * And please excuse my seeming inability to link images without exploding your talk page. Geraldk (talk) 01:10, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

No need for apologies; the problem is resolution.
 * File:Bundesarchiv Bild 102-13104, Sonja Henie und Karl Schäfer.jpg561 × 800 pixels, file size: 46 KB
 * File:Bundesarchiv Bild 102-05455, St. Moritz, Winterolympiade.jpg 562 × 800 pixels, file size: 23 KB
 * File:Bundesarchiv Bild 102-05464, St. Moritz, Winterolympiade.jpg 800 × 565 pixels, file size: 51 KB
 * File:Bundesarchiv R 8076 Bild-0114, Olympische Winterspiele, Abfahrtslauf Damen.jpg 800 × 593 pixels, file size: 44 KB

Compare to my last four featured pictures. Durova 349 02:22, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Kenyon_Cox_nude_study2.jpg 2,502 × 4,128 pixels, file size: 15.07 MB
 * File:Whig primary 1848d.jpg 2,622 × 3,804 pixels, file size: 4.15 MB
 * File:Little Norway Guide2.jpg 4,521 × 5,990 pixels, file size: 18.99 MB
 * File:Randolph Caldecott illustration2.jpg 1,455 × 1,687 pixels, file size: 3.29 MB
 * There is this, perhaps? Durova 349 02:36, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Geraldk (talk) 13:07, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Happy Halloween!


As Halloween is my favorite holiday, I just wanted to wish those Wikipedians who have been nice enough to give me a barnstar or smile at me, supportive enough to agree with me, etc., a Happy Halloween! Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 23:55, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. :) Durova 349 23:56, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You are welcome! Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 23:58, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Image Restoration
Hi there,

I'm wondering if you can do me a favour. I'm finding myself drawn into various meta-debates and not spending as much time as I'd like working on content. I've also recently been on a series of photoshop courses and picked up a Wacom tablet. So the question is, do you have an image that you wouldn't mind me taking a crack at restoring? Not really fussy - happy to look at anything really. If you have any suggestions it'd be fantastic. Many thanks,  Gazi moff  00:27, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If you'd like tips and/or firsthand assistance, email me for my Skype ID. This should be a good starter project--not too big or too hard, and definitely encyclopedic.  Thanks for the inquiry! :)  Durova 349 00:38, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion! I'll grab a copy and get cracking. Alas, I don't do skype these days, but I am reachable on MSN messenger most of the time. I'll drop you an email seperately with the details, if that's useful. Cheers!  Gazi moff  00:54, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Be sure to work from the uncompressed TIFF file. :) I do gchat in addition to Skype.  Durova 349 01:06, 31 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing out the TIFF version - I wasn't aware that it existed. I'll look into getting gchat. Gazi moff  07:22, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your recent changes!
Thanks for your recent edits!! - It´s a proof that people do have the will to build a better world. 189.217.171.135 (talk) 02:05, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Lise,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Gran calavera eléctrica2.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on November 2, 2009. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2009-11-02.  howcheng  {chat} 06:47, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Mario1987
Hi, please check for my latest few contribs on Commons, I tagged a few Mario1987 images there. There might be more though. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:45, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks like someone beat me to the punch. Durova 351 00:16, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Omega Institute
I came across your template, and the page did read like an advertisment. Wasted a half hour of my life editing it, trying to give these good people advice on how not to write a wiki page.Please take a look and see if you can trim more. Thanks alot for pointing out this ad, grrrrr. Aleister Wilson (talk) 23:27, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for your hard work. It rehashed the language of a lot of their promotional literature, but I couldn't quite write it off as copyvio.  Much appreciated. :)  Durova 351 23:50, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Not a barnstar
True to your name, you have worked your magic as the Wiki Witch and pulled ahead so you could bask in the glory of winning on Halloween. Now, I will leave you to your cackling and your torturing little kids. :D Ottava Rima (talk) 01:49, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm, maybe I'll have to restore an illustration of flying monkeys to celebrate? Thank you for leaving me to evil devices; it's trick-or-treat time in California and the chocolate chip brownies are due to come out of the oven. :)  Durova 351 01:52, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You shall see tomorrow, my friend. No need to thank me, thank you for all of your hard work!  iMatthew  talk   at 02:12, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Congratulations. :) -- can  dle &bull; wicke  04:39, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. :) Durova 351 04:41, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I've been spending time trying to make them look nice, so I haven't gotten them out yet. I guarantee you'll have your prize tomorrow! :)  iMatthew  talk   at 21:39, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Mario's likely sock and related pictures
Hi. Since you said we should follow up with on Mario's uploads here, and since it's likely that this goes unnoticed: it's likely that is Mario's sockpuppet (used by him mainly to evade a block). I just noticed there are some picture uploads involved, and some have been moved to commons - hard to notice, since, if it really is his, he has been keeping it inactive for months. Dahn (talk) 07:45, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey there Dahn, I dropped by for something completely unrelated, and saw this. If you think it is a sock, there exists a place to report it, at sock puppet investigations. Durova, hope you don't mind me stepping in. <font face="Courier"> Nezzadar  [SPEAK]  08:00, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Normally I would, Nezzadar, but this is part of an intricate ongoing case spanning over this project and on commons, and Durova (if I understood it right) asked for feedback on related issues. But thank you nevertheless. Dahn (talk) 09:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Something completely unrelated
Hey there. I don't know what the point situation is, but good luck with the Wikicup. You deserve some silverware for all your work. <font face="Courier"> Nezzadar  [SPEAK]  08:00, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

For the reason for the title of this thread, see the above thread Mario's likely sock and related pictures.

Okay. I Give Up. What is a "Rumor Mill Malfunction" ? ! ?

 * — Wordsmith (talk) 10:45, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * _________________________________
 * I am so sorry. There's an editor called The Wordsmith and it was him that everyone meant.  That's all straightened out now, except that when people told me about it they forgot to include the definite article in his username.  Durova 351 16:37, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Please assist........
Hi Durova. I've been told you are the best editor to approach for this type of issue (see A Class Review for Battle of Delville Wood). I have managed to obtain a few fairly rare and unknown pictures / drawings of this 1916 battle. They come from a set of books published in 1917 and I guess that at that time they were considered high-tech quality prints! If you have a bit of time, please see if you can improve the images as they are most certainly of historical value. The pics have been used in the article Battle of Delville Wood and are lodged in Commons: Thanks in advance and keep up the excellent work! Farawayman (talk) 11:04, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Commons:file:Longueval Battle July 1916.jpg
 * Commons:file:Trones Wood Battle July 1916.jpg
 * Commons:file:Delville Wood Battle July 1916.jpg
 * Is there any way you could get a different source for these subjects? All of these images are halftoned.  Not a whole lot I could do with them.  Durova 351 16:41, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

RfA drama, etc
Thanks for asking on my talk; I have indeed responded, in Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Chzz and in the RfA itself, Requests for adminship/Chzz. Any many, many thanks for keeping an open mind. Happy holidays,  Chzz  ►  11:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Could you help?
I'm looking for photos for an article on the airborne landings that took place during Operation Dragoon in southern France in 1944. I've been looking through the Library of Congress, remembering that you get many of your FP's from there. Would this photo: [] be in the public domain? I notice that it's take by a US Airforce photographer (I think) but also mentions a newspaper. Any help would be greatfully received. Cheers, Skinny87 (talk) 19:27, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Good question. Before going further into rights, you realize this is only available in the tiny thumbnail?  If that kind of resolution is okay for your purposes, I'd suggest you email the library with a query.  From the appearance of those notes it looks like it's an Associated Press reprint of a US Army Signal Corps photograph, in which case the image would be US Government public domain and the Associated Press reproduction is a derivative work with no new claim to copyright.  But it would be best to ask the research librarians to confirm for certain what is intended by the notes on the record.  Regards,  Durova 351 19:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh dear - no, I didn't realize that; I thought it was a thumbnail. Oh well, back to searching. Thanks for the help anyway! Skinny87 (talk) 13:35, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Clarification
There really isn't any substantial history here. I didn't know J existed until October 30; the "history" you refer to occurred last night. This is the normal time frame for taking concerns to ANI; especially because his most recent alteration of another editor's post occurred within the last few hours. Durova 352 16:54, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Aah, thanks for the clarification Durova. I was kind of afraid i stumbled into some form of tangled conflict where several editors didn't really appreciate each other's presence and thus started some form of feud on ANI (As in: He did that to him because he supported me previously). Guess this is due to reading several accusations made by Chillum and Ottava regarding each others reason to comment on the issue- and this detective im reading in between edits isn't the best way to counter such idea's will not be the best way to surpress idea's about intrigues. Glad this isn't the case though. :) Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 17:18, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Re:Wongudan
Hi, Durova, since User:AlexanderMegarrido questioned about the year of the demolition of the fountain, I read the article again, and found some inconsistency. The Wongudan does not just refer to the three-story pavilion, but to all complex including a shrine that once existed. Today, only pavilion, and gate, and several stone sculptures remain in the site. Korea was under the Japanese occupation since1910 and the shrine and its complex were demolished in 1913 by the Japanese, so I think the year, 1925 on the Loc site indicates the published date of the photo. The loc site does not say that 1925 is the date of taking the photo. According to Burton Holmes's travel log, http://www.burtonholmes.org/travelogues/travlist2.html he did not travel to Korea nor Japan in 1925. He visited to Korea in 1901, 1912, 1913 to 1914 and 1922, so I guess he took the picture before the site was demolished and then a hotel was built in the site. So the nomination statement should be fixed from the photographing date to "presumably publishing date". The fountain was removed in 1913. Thanks.--Caspian blue 18:29, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your feedback; I'll check into this and send an email to the LoC staff. Cheers,  Durova 352 18:32, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think a fastest way to confirm the date is to send an email to www.burtonholmes.org, and photographic books of his trips were published, so you can check that by renting the books.--Caspian blue 18:41, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Another possibility is that the fountain was built by the Japanese who demolished the Wongudan complext and built a hotel on the site which is also gone in 1968 for reconstruction. I could not find any reference on the fountain, so I can not surely say that the image was not taken after 1913.--Caspian blue 18:50, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Under the influence of coffee
Not quite sure what the point of your link was. I was simply commenting on the threads as a whole, not specifically on one person -- okay, maybe one or two of the principals -- & your comment about J was, well, peculiar but not unusual for what was said on the topic. Still, sometimes I think Wikipedians either need to indulge in less psychoactive medications -- or much, much more. (And no, I haven't had any vivid hallucinations under the influence of caffeine. I guess I fall in the category of those who need more.)

And now for something different. I followed your links about yours & Roger Davies' discoveries. Excellent work! However, this raises an important point: sometimes, even while following the letter of no original research, new discoveries are made. Not that I think there's something wrong with that (& no allusions to Seinfeld intended); no, the problem is those literal-minded types who think that because a Wikipedian happens to extend human knowledge through nothing more than careful, at times tedious, work, that new knowledge should not appear here. Maybe even something sad about those who could think it. -- llywrch (talk) 21:44, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:NOR doesn't actually prevent Wikipedians from making new discoveries. It simply states that Wikipedia is not suitable as the first point of publication.  Our goal should be to have new findings vetted and published elsewhere, after which point Wikipedia can reflect the information.  Durova 355 00:55, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You know that, I know that, yet I'm always amazed at how long some people contribute to Wikipedia who don't know that. Like I wrote, "Maybe even something sad about ..." -- llywrch (talk) 05:46, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Lise,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Pulaski bird's eye2.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on November 5, 2009. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2009-11-05.  howcheng  {chat} 00:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Durova wins 2009 WikiCup!
Congratulations ! -- <em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000"> Tinu  <em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000">Cherian  - 04:28, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Well done  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 04:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes I saw that too. Congrats. <font face="Courier"> Nezzadar  [SPEAK]  04:35, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, a traffic light of signatures, interesting... N


 * Thank you very much. :) Durova 355 04:37, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I can't even imagine a more deserving winner. Durova, you are the epitomy of what Wikipedians should strive to be as editors. You've got it all and more. My sincere congratulations and hopes that you will one day return as the mighty admin you once were. -- Brangifer (talk) 05:45, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Congrats! Saw your win in the newsletter. I had you handicapped as the heavy favorite, figuring no one could keep up with the featured picture avalanche. :D  Enigma <sup style="color:#FFA500;">msg  06:55, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Congrats D.. Now don't let it go to your head. I want TWICE as many next year! *grins, ducks, and runs!!!!* SirFozzie (talk) 08:38, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Awesome work Durova, well done. Off2riorob (talk) 13:25, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Aw (blushes)...but next year the field will be open. Am retiring from the Cup.  Durova 355 15:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Congrats! Next year I plan to give you a run for your money, you shouldn't have mentioned the cup to me :p PS. "your talk page is 309 kilobytes long. It may be helpful to move older discussion into an archive subpage"... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 18:04, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Congratulations on adding so much great content! -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:19, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Well done indeed! You truly do put folks like me to shame. AGK 20:46, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Congrats from me as well. Having watched your incredible talent for locating FP material I am not at all surprised that you have won the competition. You represent what is greatest in us all, as is demonstrated by the posts above (and probably below as well), and it is my hope that you will continue to excel here on the wiki that we may benefit from your outstanding example. 129.108.96.193 (talk) 22:00, 3 November 2009 (UTC) aka

Re: Proposed deletion of Lifelike
Regarding your recent post in my user talk page, please keep in mind that I created Lifelike solely as a redirect, not for article content. It would be best to contact Sebisthlm, who changed the redirect into a stub. just64helpin (talk) 21:54, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information, have notified the editor. Durova 355 02:42, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

WikiCup Awards
Congratulations! Hope to see you sign up for the 2010 WikiCup, here, if you haven't already!  iMatthew  talk   at 23:17, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I heard from a reliable source that gold was an ugly color. :P But seriously, congrats again. I'll be bitter somewhere else. :D Ottava Rima (talk) 23:20, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Congratulations. - 4twenty42o (talk) 23:37, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. And you have a point, Ottava: yellow is a lovely color I can't really wear irl because it fights with my hair and wins. ;)  Cheers!  Durova 355 23:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Congratulations!!! People will probably ask: why Mexico? (And also, I think that retiring the Mexican flag is a mistake... if a future participant wants to win another one for Mexico, why not? But you don't have to answer that, it's the judges' mistake not yours.) Homunq (talk) 22:39, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Coming from San Diego, Mexico is the country next door.  Durova 362 22:45, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

When you get the chance...
The Picture Peer Review had an interesting cartoon, under the nomination A skeleton in Uncle Sam's closet. I think that you could, with little effort, turn it into an FP worthy image. Just a suggestion, since it seems so few people go to PPR nowdays. <font face="Courier"> Nezzadar  [SPEAK]  05:33, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Tyops...
I noticed your preferenc for speeling at the AC page, gut I thought it would have been impolite to correct it :) So anyways... I have been following quite a few of the pages where a lot of the dialogue has culminated in this current request. This, as a result of having pegged the ANI and Arb (and the like) pages since very early in my "wikiservice." I would like to know if a "Support" for your comment is mete, as it were; if it is still "appropriate" to signify, as such, in that space?

It occurs to me that just a lil' bit more Peace, love, and understanding is what is called for in this case, if it is accepted. If I had to write my own "Comment from Un-involved User:Hamster Sandwich" it would read, simply, "Cranky people wind up making other people cranky, too.." But I won't, because ArbCom shouldn't be subjected to anything but well founded facts, and not my (or any other editors) random opinions. But yours happens to be very good, which is why I wanted to know. Best regards, Hamster Sandwich (talk) 06:35, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. Yes, sometimes people post agreement with other comments at that venue.  Usually in plain English by pointing out the poster's username and elaborating any other observation they want to add.  Durova 355 15:24, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

BBC radio drama featuring Nadia Durova
Thought you might be interested in |this play pitting Nadia Durova against Charles Dickens in a tale of espionage which I heard on BBC Radio 4 yesterday afternoon; it's available to listen online for the next 6 days. Durova is portrayed as somewhat of a caricature but it's a good listen none the less. Best, Nancy  talk  11:05, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the heads up. Now the challenge is to pick up BBC Radio 4 from San Diego, California... ;)  Durova 355 15:19, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Just realised I screwed the link for the "listen again" it's http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00chp3n Kindest, Nancy  talk  19:30, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Um, forgive the ignorant Yank...but that looks like it's about Charles Dickens? Durova 355 19:41, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Speedy deletion nomination of Thomas Ricciardi
How was Thomas Ricciardi an attack page? All I did was create a disambiguation page about 2 mobsters with the same name. Just because it was deleted before under G:10 Attack page, doesn't mean it should automatically be deleted if someone were to create the page and improve it. That's not really fair or necessary. --Ted87 (talk) 02:23, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi there. I'm the admin who deleted the page.  The concern here is not that that it was an attack page per se, but that it contained negative, unsourced information on a living person.  I hope this helps.  —  Jake   Wartenberg  02:40, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * In that case you should of gave me more than 5 minutes to add info before deleting it and protecting it from being remade.

'''Sorry Durova for posing this on your page. Please accept my humble apology.''' --Ted87 (talk) 03:21, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No need for apologies. I had requested speedy on the earlier version a few months ago and it was still at my watchlist.  Didn't realize it was being recreated by an experienced editor.  BLP is a tough nut to crack with that subject.  Durova 357 03:49, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

The best medicine
I found your cheerful comments on another editor's talkpage very funny, and I appreciate that your efforts to look out for your fellow editors in a collegial manner. Hearty congratulations on your Atlas Shrugged trophy and WikiCup triumph. Such admirable and impresive content contributions should probably get more recognition and appreciation around here, but I hope you can settle for lesser expressions of respect and admiration. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:32, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. :) Durova 357 15:46, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

File:Leviathan gr.jpg
I realise you're probably swamped with these requests, but the original cover of Leviathan would make a great FP, with a little cleanup work. The file we currently have is of a pretty high resolution. Do you think it's something you could work with? J Milburn (talk) 14:34, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a wonderful idea. If a better resolution version becomes available please let me know.  The usual minimum for this type of work is 10MB in TIFF or other uncompressed format.  Durova 357 15:47, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, I assumed that one would be big enough to work with. Oh well... I may have a snoop around at some point. Thanks for the reply. J Milburn (talk) 22:56, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Lise,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Ase o fuku onna2.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on November 10, 2009. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2009-11-10.  howcheng  {chat} 06:02, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Tip line format
The divisions are more or less arbitrary, just to make it easier to keep track of passing time and navigate the page.--ragesoss (talk) 23:03, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'll make sure it's in the next issue. (Of course, you're always welcome to add things like that directly to the draft.)--ragesoss (talk) 23:15, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * At Wikipedia Signpost/2009-11-09/News and notes. Normally you can get to the drafts or redlinks for the upcoming edition from the "next issue" link at the bottom left of the Signpost front page.  The museum notes got a mention in the September 7 issue.  Congrats on the WikiCup, by the way.  Your energy is astounding.--ragesoss (talk) 00:58, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

NowCommons: File:Romea.jpg
File:Romea.jpg is now available on Wikimedia Commons as Commons:File:Romea.jpg. This is a repository of free media that can be used on all Wikimedia wikis. The image will be deleted from Wikipedia, but this doesn't mean it can't be used anymore. You can embed an image uploaded to Commons like you would an image uploaded to Wikipedia, in this case:. Note that this is an automated message to inform you about the move. This bot did not copy the image itself. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 23:39, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

... mutter Pre-1923 public domain in the States, won't enter PD in France until 2038. Welcome to the world of featured picture contribution and bots... ;) Durova 357 23:56, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/Valentine&, Featured picture candidates/Lake Placid bobsled track
Hi...I corrected your objection to "Roman Head." You have a cool userid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkooiman (talk • contribs) 17:08, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, will look again soon. Durova 357 17:23, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Recently closed Black Panther nom
I was under the impression that I had cast my support for the nom, but when I saw that it did not pass, I also saw that I forgot to support. Would it make a difference now? Is it too late? <font face="Courier"> Nezzadar  [SPEAK]  18:21, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You could raise it at FPC talk. FPC closers are usually reasonable about this type of thing; it's why recently closed nominations remain at FPC for a couple of days.  Durova 357 18:31, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Notice of Delisting Nomination
An image you uploaded has been nominated for delisting. The link is here:. Your comments are welcome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nezzadar (talk • contribs) 01:31, 8 November 2009

Wikispace move
Have you ever tried to move WP:CROWN into wikispace to give it more credibility? If so, can you point me to any discussions on the matter. They would be relevant in a consideration of moving WP:FOUR into wikispace?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:59, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * People have suggested it for a long time, and perhaps the triple crown is ready for it--if nothing else to give it more assistance. Would you be willing to help maintain it?  Durova 360 17:20, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I am trying to maintain FOUR. I am just trying to find out if there is any precedent against these things being in wikispace.  I am nominating FOUR at WikiProject Council/Proposals/Four Award.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:10, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Nothing holds it back, as far as I'm aware. Best wishes with your transfer. :)  Durova 360 19:34, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

BFI linkspam?
Hi. Why are you removing all links to the BFI's profiles as linkspam? The BFI (British Film Institute) seems a perfectly reasonable source of further information on British actors. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:09, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * An editor had been spending several months doing nothing other than adding external links to that particular site to dozens of articles. You may be right; it may be a perfectly reasonable source.  If people want to expand articles using it as a source I won't object.  Today's removal was routine per WP:NOTLINKS and WP:SPAM.  Durova 360 18:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * But it is not spam. It is a reliable and impartial site, run by a charitable organisation, providing information about the British film industry. There is even a template for linking to it. It is exactly the kink of external link we should be encouraging and routinely adding to all British actor articles, just as we routinely link to DMOZ for software categories and IMDB for musicians. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:23, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Spamming is an editor behavior, not a statement about the site. Reliable sites can be spammed.  When an editor spends months doing nothing else but adding the same external link to large numbers of articles, Wikipedia's normal response is to remove it.  Nothing prevents you from using it as a source, though.  Best regards.  Durova 360 18:26, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Surely if somebody was to meticulously go through all the musician articles adding Allmusic links that would be barnstar behaviour, not spamming. Ditto for IMDB links, where appropriate. Why is this different? Surely the template is there to be used. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:37, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, occasionally reliable book publishers or even universities do the same thing--and get reverted the same way. Wikipedia wouldn't be very good as a reference source if it contained large numbers of links to other archives, without actually incorporating any of that information into its articles.  That's what search engines are for.  A worthwhile goal, but outside our project mission.  Durova 360 18:42, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, so it was actually the BFI putting the links in? If so, I see your point. That is not something they should have even considered doing without discussing it and getting it approved. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:52, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Haven't claimed that (and actually don't know). Just saying that in other instances it's turned out to be the institution.  When it's been possible to find out who was doing it, usually turned out to be someone very junior such as an intern who was following orders with a mixture of not understanding WP standards and doing the easiest thing that would satisfy the boss.  Durova 360 18:57, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * screenonline has an own article in the wikipedia. if you think this site is crap than delete this article --Melly42 (talk) 20:55, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hoi, it is not about the screenonline itself.. It is about this person whose only contribution is linking to screenonline... That, is spamming, that is not adding encyclopaedic content to our project AND that is what we are about.. So, just ride good articles and you may even on occasion add a reference to screenonline... on occasion ... you see?? Thanks, GerardM (talk) 23:40, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

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Photo query
Hey there, O mighty queen of photos. *g* Question for you: I'm really happy with this image of a red-crested cardinal and think it'd be worth a shot at a FP, but at the full resolution I've lost some sharpness around the head. Any thoughts about what techniques might be able to sort that out? Much appreciated. Tony Fox (arf!) 18:24, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice shot. You're right about the sharpness issues.  It has a shallow depth of field.  The actual focus is a few inches in front of the cardinal, not on the cardinal itself.  FP reviewers would skewer it, but it's still very encyclopedic and looks great in thumbnail.  Durova 361 20:14, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, fair point. I'll have to look at the others in the set, see if I managed to get the focus a little closer (my long lens has attitude problems). It looks great printed at 8x10, though, so hey. Thanks for the thoughts! Tony Fox (arf!) 20:59, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it's a great picture, but I agree with Durova about the likely reactions from the FP reviewers. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:12, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!
for your copy-edits to Myojakdo. All cats are lovely, but tabby cats are special. :-) --Caspian blue 23:17, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Motion to reopen ArbCom case "Mattisse"
ArbCom courtesy notice: You have received this notice because you particpated in some way on the Mattisse case or the associated clarification discussion.

A motion has recently been proposed to reopen the ArbCom case concerning Mattisse. ArbCom is inviting editor comment on this proposed motion.

For the Arbitration Committee, Manning (talk) 03:58, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar
Hello, Durova. Thank you for the barnstar! I must say, I was uncertain of my course of action, but I honestly felt it was the right one. The articles tagged were clearly not speediable, as other editors noted in declining them, but the warnings, and the general tone of "we have our eye on you" remained. And, here was an editor who had never received a proper welcome. So, in the end, I am glad I played a role in that project, the creation of which I applaud. Cheers! ---<font face="Georgia"> RepublicanJacobite  The'FortyFive' 04:38, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Mosses
Thanks for the barnstar! I am actually a bit of newbie myself – that was my first taxobox. I also know knew nothing about Antarctic mosses, so you may want to check my edits.

Oh, and Intilligentsium helped improve at least one of the articles. Thought I'd let you know. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 04:40, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Intelligentsium received a barnstar too. Overall, five editors got barnstars out of this little project.  The encyclopedia got ten new articles and darned if I've ever understood taxobox structure.  Durova 362 04:42, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Interestingly, I used to collect mosses, lichen, fungi, etc., when I was a teenager. Back then, I actually knew something on the topic, but that was a long time ago.  Though, I never had any Antarctic mosses. ---<font face="Georgia"> RepublicanJacobite  The'FortyFive'  04:50, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Fascinating. Then you know more than I; it's a subject for the occasional late evening browse.  Had been hoping for more growth and improvement to happen there.  So a meander through Google Books and a few stubs seemed like a good idea.  Durova 362 04:55, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Random question
Can one be penalized for using one primary source in List of military engagements of World War I? Also, is http://www.firstworldwar.com considered accurate?

Sorry for the noob questions, but I needed to ask someone... <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:black;">Res</b> Mar 21:43, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It'd be better to ask the project. Mostly I deal with media rather than lists.  Durova 362 21:52, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I sorta did, already. Well...<span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:black;">Res</b> Mar 22:05, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar
And thanks for the new mossy stubs. :) ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi Lise,

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Library of Congress
Congrats on making the Library of Congress into a high-quality resource! :-) -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:37, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Invitation to participate in SecurePoll feedback and workshop
As you participated in the recent Audit Subcommittee election, or in one of two requests for comment that relate to the use of SecurePoll for elections on this project, you are invited to participate in the SecurePoll feedback and workshop. Your comments, suggestions and observations are welcome. For the Arbitration Committee, Risker (talk) 08:07, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
For the suggestion (and thanks to User:Anomie for the switch), and thanks for the link to featured pictures of arthropods copulating, leaf-eating, and feces-eating. Your kindness does not go unnoticed. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 00:06, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Great media makes for a great encyclopedia. :) Anytime.  Durova 363 00:36, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

You're right it does. When I write articles on organisms I always ask a researcher for an image. They're not usually FA quality because of small size, but researchers are generous about donating images to articles. Look at this pretty picture just for the asking. You can't fathom the description of this animal without an image. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 03:07, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

We've all done it
Your rv at Sphinx unfortunately replaced the vandalism - about 42 repeats of the same text. Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt. Dougweller (talk) 16:44, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh dear, apologies. Darn well-written vandalism.  Thanks for the heads up.  Durova 363 16:51, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Waterfalls, waterfalls, waterfalls!
Feeling wikistress? Wish you could have a vacation someplace with two dozen waterfalls? Well the next best thing is here!

If you want to, please come look at pictures of waterfalls and pick which ones you like best. You'll be helping make a better article too.

Thanks, Dincher (talk) and Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:57, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

P.S. That wikilink again: User talk:Ruhrfisch/Waterfalls

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Re: Green light post
Actually the request is open to anyone who would like to leave a message. If I do have occasion to look into your work specifically I would ask specifically for permission to use your name and your works as examples, but as I have yet to get into the details of the paper I am not sure which way its going to go yet. At any rate, I thought I would leave the message just to let you know. Happy Thanksgiving, albeit it an early one, and I will see you officially in December. 129.108.68.99 (talk) 01:57, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Daniel O'Connell
I'm absolutely delighted with that restoration. Awesome! In fact, I just went onto ga.wikipedia to update the article and to put it forward for an Íomhá Roghnaithe, only to discover that User:Guliolopez, another admin, beat me to it :)

Seriously though, thanks for focusing on this picture. I really, really like how it turned out. Míle buíochas :) - A<font color="#FF7C0A">l<font color="#FFB550">l i e  ❤ 06:45, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. And thank you very much for your commitment to the Irish Wikipedia.  It's a pleasure to help out where it's appreciated.  Now let's start approaching Irish museums. :)  Durova 366 17:48, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

the kurt thing
G'day all (copied to Durova, Jake 'n Coffee :-) - I wondered if you chaps would mind taking a look at the RfC and seeing if you think withdrawing it would be a good idea at this point? Seems to me like that's the way the wind blows, and I also had a question about the certification bit - I don't really know how that works, but right now only Durova has certified as 'trying and failing', right? - I think there are supposed to be two for the RfC to continue? (don't bash me with a policy stick if this is wrong - I'm rubbish at this side of the wiki).

Either ways, I can see where it was coming from, but I don't think, at this stage, it's a good idea for the RfC to continue - so I thought you might like to take a look... Privatemusings (talk) 20:14, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I happened to land on your userpage
And your restorations are phenomenal. Truly amazing that somebody can restore those photos, just using Photoshop (or that's what the exif data shows). Would tools listed here help one restore photos? I have Photoshop, but haven't used it to the fullest extent possible evidently!  TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 02:03, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There are various plugins to improve the effectiveness of Photoshop at restoring images. I don't use them myself, but if your main interest is to restore family photographs they can be a useful timesaver.  Durova 366 17:42, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Implimenting featured picture stars easily
Method one, if you want stars to be visible to everyone regardless:

Add this to all picture captions, either by bot or by code: or perhaps

Each picture's status would either return nothing, a star for featured pictures, an alert icon if this picture was tagged for deletion or discussion, a commons icon if it was in the commons, etc. The content returned could be done by having bot maintain the Statusicon page or by code manage the Special:Filestatus page. If there was more than 1 icon a it would return up to a maximum number of icons or a special "..." or multi-icon icon to indicate the picture had multiple items of interest about it.

davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  02:39, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

The real meaning of 366 :)
"This page is 366 kilobytes long."

I bet you did that on purpose.

On a more serious note, the length and complexity of your talk pages gave my web browser a slight pause. No telling what it's doing to older, more decrepit web browsers. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  02:46, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Kmwebber RFC
I removed the Kmwebber RFC from the main RFC page as it failed to get the requisite two certifiers. I will ask that it be deleted after I have verified that neither you nor Kmwebber wish to retain a copy for your records. If you would like a copy, I don't think anyone would have a problem with you moving the RFC in your userspace (noindex, please). Hipocrite (talk) 15:19, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No need, thanks. Durova 366 17:40, 18 November 2009 (UTC)