User talk:Dutchy85/Archive 2

Blogspot Source
Hi there! I see you're adding a bunch of citations about the box office gross for films. That's great! My only concern is the citation you're using. This [ http://heylookmeover.blogspot.com.au/ Hey, Look Me Over] site, is that the best source we can find? It appears to just be someones blog. I changed the source on the The Greatest Show on Earth page to some random article I found on Variety. I think we can probably find a better source than some random blog, no? ./zro (⠠⠵) 02:19, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

You raise a good point - the blog however reproduces figures straight from Variety. I could simply say it's from Variety (they would list these charts at the end of the year) ) thought i would include the link to the blog because you can see all the facts and figures there and I can't find that information anywhere else on line. The variety article on Greatest Show on Earth is good but I'd still like to reference the Variety Top List of Grosses for the year -as well.Dutchy85 (talk) 02:25, 11 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. I see what you're saying. It looks like Variety has their weekly box office records available back to like 1982, and then they have full archives behind a pay wall. I see that there's Box Office Mojo and The Numbers. But both of these have a number (36 million) which differs from the 12 million cited for Greatest Show on Earth  ... so this must be a different stat? Also, I know nothing about how reliable these sources are either. Do we not like the idea of citing IMDB either? Note, the number there differs as well . I guess I don't know what the good solution is at this point. ./zro (⠠⠵) 05:51, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

The variety figures are contemporary and for rentals and only apply to the US - it's possible that box office mojo and the others both allow for international figures and are adjusted for inflation - which is why I put (US) after it - by all means adjust what you like - I do like the reference to the link though because it lists the most popular films for that year, showing Greatest Show as number One. Maybe put it in the body of the entry as opposed to into the box at the top? Dutchy85 (talk) 05:55, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Reach for the Sky
I note you are adding citations but the form used does not seem to match any known bibliographical format. Take a look at the changes in this article and in The One That Got Away. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:08, 13 May 2012 (UTC).

Blog spamming
Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a collection of links, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated, and links that attract visitors to a web site or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam guideline for further explanations. Because Wikipedia uses the nofollow attribute value, its external links are disregarded by most search engines. If you feel the link should be added to the article, please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. Thank you. OhNo itsJamie Talk 14:40, 31 May 2012 (UTC) I have no connection or affiliation with the blog whatsoever. I don't know the person who runs it, I have no commercial agenda. I use it because it collates data from Variety, the film industry trade paper, a highly regarded source. This blog reproduces information from there (and other sources) to provide an invaluable information database that is incredibly useful for wikipedia readers. I could just put the reference to Variety and not have the blog link but it would mean users miss out on seeing where the information came from and being able to put it in context e.g. I give box office rentals for the films - logging on to the blog will mean people will also be able to see where those films ranked in box office rentals for that year. I believe the link is entirely appropriate until another website that contains all this information is created.Dutchy85 (talk) 23:37, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Additions of http://.heylookmeover.blogspot.com.au/
This is the final warning that you will receive regarding your disruptive edits. The next time you insert advertising or a spam link, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Persistent spammers may have their websites blacklisted from Wikipedia. --Hu12 (talk) 15:04, 1 June 2012 (UTC)' I am not advertising anything! Or spamming anything! It's not my blog - it's a blog from a stranger which contains a list of Variety box office figures which I believe is incredibly useful. How is it disruptive in any way? Dutchy85 (talk) 15:07, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * What you are doing is WP:LINKSPAMING a Blog (which violates our External links Policy). Wikipedia is not a repository of links. --Hu12 (talk) 15:20, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Dear Hu12 - I had a look at the guidelines. "Spamming" is "adding external links to an article or user page for the purpose of promoting a website or a product" - I'm not promoting a product, or a website, really. It's referencing information contained on a website. It's no more spamming than say a website like box office mojo or the Numbers or IMDB. (Indeed those sites always try to sell something - this blog isn't promoting anything). I'm adding a lot of links because hundreds of films are involved. This is an incredibly useful resource. Wikipedia features hardly any box office figures for films before the 1980s and this website is a rich depository of information for the years 1950-57. I'm not using bots, every entry is made by me individually, every figure is different (I have to type in different amounts). I'm not using wikipedia as a repository of links - I genuinely believe that the box office figures for these films are useful. So many wikipedia film articles are unreferenced - I'm trying to provide pages with some sort of reference for these pages. I've never done an entry which simple lists a link - I always include some other basic film information e.g. it's IMDB listing. I have checked a lot of the information in my own collection of Variety box office listings (photographed from papers at the library) and it is accurate. (If you can point to an error please let me know and I will remove it). I appreciate you're trying to decrease the amount of spam out there but ask that an exception be given in this occasion.Dutchy85 (talk) 15:39, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Dutchy, I note your comment, but your interpretation is wrong. I WILL block you from editing the next time you add this link. --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 18:11, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Anthony I will back off but could you elaborate on what exactly is the issue here? I can't see how it breaches the guidelines. I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm genuinely trying to understand. And if I just reference Variety and not the blog site is that okay? CheersDutchy85 (talk) 04:34, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I do, really, understand that your motivation is to improve the encyclopedia. But it has been explained to you what the problem is. Please go and look again at linkspamming policy.--Anthony Bradbury</b><sup style="color:black;">"talk" 11:17, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

See my comments. Bzuk (talk) 16:09, 6 June 2012 (UTC).

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King Solomon's Mines and Annie Get your Gun
I noticed you made this edit to the King Solomon's Mines (1950 film). Presumably this isn't the US rental, but do you know if the amount is either the worldwide rental or the US gross revenue? Also, if you know the worldwide rental for Annie Get Your Gun (film) from the same year that would be useful. The article states it earned $8 million, but I don't know if that is the US gross or the worldwide rental, and if there is a source I can use for it.

Also, I'm probably asking for too much here, but do you know the worldwide figures for each Gone with the Wind release? I've been tracking down historic box-office data for older films, and it is notoriously difficult getting hold of the worldwide data. Much appreciated if you can help in any way. Betty Logan (talk) 10:53, 10 July 2012 (UTC) Hey Betty - thanks for your interest. The figures at the Eddie Mannix ledger were Cost 2,258,000 – revenue 10,050,000 (domestic 5,050,000, foreign 5,000,000) – profit after other costs 4,122,000. Annie get your gun i'm not so sure of - I didn't put the 8 million figure, I got 4.2 million from Variety, but that would have been US and Canada rentals for 1950. The figures would that would be in the Eddie Mannix ledger at the Margaret Herrick Library (a fabulous resource) but I didn't write it down when I was there. It would have worldwide figures for GWTW too - the tricky thing with that film is it kept being re-released in cinemas, so would have lots of figures to calculate. Hope this helps.Dutchy85 (talk) 12:39, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying and clarifying the King Solomon figure. You've been very helpful. Just a shame such a useful resource as the ledger isn't online really. Betty Logan (talk) 15:12, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Peter Sellers on stage, screen and record
Hi, I'm afraid I had to revert your information again. I'm trying to build this to go to an FL nomination and it'll be ripped out by the first reviewer in a matter of minutes. The information is of interest, however, and I'll ensure that it ends up written up and referenced properly in the prose lead section. Thanks - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 13:25, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

55th Battalion
G'day, Dutchy85, can you please add a citation for the information you added to the 55th Battalion (Australia) article? If it is not possible to provide a reference, then I think it should be removed. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 10:45, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Understand - have done. Dutchy85 (talk) 10:52, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. AustralianRupert (talk) 12:25, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

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 * For example, this would reinforce the notability of City of Bad Men. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 14:06, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

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Useful source

 * Since you helped me out once with box-office source I found this and thought it might be useful to you: 1932–1937 MGM financial data. Betty Logan (talk) 01:36, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that Betty I had no idea about that book - terrific resourceDutchy85 (talk) 04:36, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Useful couple of pages in the 1937 Motion Picture Almanac: http://archive.org/stream/international193738quig#page/942/mode/2up. This list has been reproduced in several other places, but the almanac is often the source of the sources. Betty Logan (talk) 03:22, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

October 2012
Hi, I reverted an edit you made to Tim Burstall as you seem to have accidentally cleared most of the biography. Yorkshiresoul (talk) 07:40, 2 October 2012 (UTC) Saw that! Thanks!!!Dutchy85 (talk) 07:40, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

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Australian film budgets and box office
Any chance I could convince you to keep up the good work documenting budgets and box office for other AU and non-AU films? Cheers, --Lexein (talk) 07:55, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

dont forget
the year articles they can be linked into like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_films_of_1989 etc - cheers  SatuSuro 13:21, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

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Since some of your articles meets the PROD criteria, you may get blocked indefinitely. You have been gaining PROD's ever since. So I give this message: Hello, but your articles all were tagged for PROD. And a better PROD would be PROD2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Titanic225 (talk • contribs) 12:30, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Please retain the sortname template
Hi, thanks for creating new film articles. One thing I should mention is the sortname template. It is important to use this in filmographies so that the titles can be sorted correctly if the user chooses. This is a very versatile template. In this edit I noticed you tried to create a link to The Bit Part. What you can do instead is take out the "|nolink=1" parameter like this. "nolink=1" just tells it not to automatically link. You can also tell it to link to a different article instead of the automatic link. Just click on its name and read the documentation. Thanks. Elizium23 (talk) 15:40, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Sonia Borg


A tag has been placed on Sonia Borg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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Help people find your article
Please remember that if you create a "disambiguated" article like Innocence (2000 film) or Salvation (film), you need to make sure that people can find it: add it to the disambiguation page if there is one, or create a "hatnote" as appropriate. I've added those two to their relevant dab pages. Dab pages and hatnotes help the reader who wants to find the article, and also help prevent another editor from creating an accidental duplicate by not finding your articles. Pam D  23:17, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Australian film stubs
Hi, I see you're producing a lot of stubs for Australian films. Can I make some suggestions? Thanks, Pam  D  23:44, 28 October 2012 (UTC) Thanks Pam - I thought the sub sorters was something only administrators can do. Thanks for the feedback!Dutchy85 (talk) 23:50, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) It would save the time of stub-sorters if you added Australia-film-stub yourself.
 * 2) There's a useful IMDb template to use - see The Nun and the Bandit
 * If, like that one, there's a "The" or "A " or "An " at the start of the title, please could you add a "DEFAULTSORT", so that they file right in A-Z lists?
 * 1) IMDb isn't considered to be a Reliable Source, so you need to find something else describing your films which you can cite, or they might be deleted for lack of reliable sources.

Fisher's Ghost
Hi! I just wanted to thank you for the additions you made to the Fisher's Ghost article, and for the great newspaper articles you cited. It's always hard to find sources on many of these older movies, so thank you for adding the ones you found. --Odie5533 (talk) 01:38, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Sure and it's my pleasure
Always happy to be of assistance.

Keep up the good work, and happy editing! -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:45, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I admire your enthusiasm
in creating new articles, but many of the movie-related subjects you write about do not seem to fulfill the parameters of WP:MOVIE. For instance, movies that have fairly small box offices of AUS$5089 (like Broken Sun) or AUS$2,588 box office (like Boxing Day), that seem to have no notable actors or production personnel (like Bigger Than Tina or Strange Fits of Passion), where most of the references cited are to film-directory listings instead of in-depth articles... Perhaps they are notable enough to fulfill specific movie notability guidelines (like having major full-length reviews, being historically notable, major awards, etc.) and I missed that information, but would you mind posting here and letting me know what I've missed about any of the movies I mentioned above? Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 06:39, 11 November 2012 (UTC)