User talk:Duwwel


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Oude Ram Afrikaner
Hi Duwwel, just to let you know: I reverted part of your edit because Wikipedia articles cannot have other Wikipedia articles as reference, see Identifying reliable sources. --Pgallert (talk) 15:24, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with that technicality. :) Your source however make allot of assumptions. See The Creation of Tribalism in Southern Africa The Afrikaner Bond and Dutch at the Cape started to use the name Afrikaner. :) The Boers only came into the "Afrikaner" picture when they were culturally assimilated into the Dutch-Afrikaner with the Union of South Africa in 1910. One of the many things the "Afrikaner" political policy did was to make the name Boer a curseword. I quote: "English-speakers tended to distinguish between the better educated and more 'civilized' Cape Dutch of the Western Cape or interior towns and the Boer people whom they considered ignorant, illiterate and almost beyond the pale." Is it not time real Africans take back the name that is rightfully theirs?
 * Honestly, I do not see the existing ("my") source conflicting with "yours" from UC Press. The time lines are entirely distinct; by the time the Cape Dutch were called Afrikaners the Oude Ram clan's use of the word had developed into a surname.
 * The distinction between Boers and Cape Dutch is interesting--you seem to know a lot about this, and both articles, Trekboer and Cape Dutch are not exactly blessed with clarity and references. Could you, if you have time, have a look at them and see whether they got it right? --Pgallert (talk) 12:08, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You are spot on. The word Afrikaner as used by Oude Ram's people was also something that was stolen from the rightful owners of that name in order to serve a more sinister purpose.
 * Wat truely is an Afrikaner?
 * The "Afrikaner" as the world knows him is an political ideal that was created by the Cape Dutch through a coalition with the British Colonials! Its purpose was to subjugate the whole of Southern Africa. The name Afrikaner was therefore stolen from the Orlam and dare I say it, Cape Coloured by a group from the Cape that started using the name "Afrikaner Bond" and "Genootskap van Regte Afrikaners" and this happened befre the Anglo-Boer wars. Why do you think they called it "Regte Afrikaners". Because someone else was also using that name!
 * The Boers always just called themselves Boere and once they lost their freedom after a bloody war where almost a whole generation died in concentration camps (Which the Cape Dutch supported!) the Boer identity was suppressed, Boers where oppressed and made a mockery of and their History stolen via a Cultural Assimilation into a new "Afrikaner Nationalism" and this happened because they where a minority as a result of the freedom wars. Even today there are allot of Boers that rejects the idea of being called an Afrikaner.
 * I am working on setting history right because I can prove it from various sources. These people need to be exposed to the world.
 * Just go into any White bar and drop the remark that the first Afrikaans texts were written in Arabic letters. And then run for your life ;) --Pgallert (talk) 12:49, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Deletion discussion
Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Afrikaners Hi Duwwel, you seem to know a lot about this topic, therefore I believe this discussion would gain something from your input. --Pgallert (talk) 08:55, 23 June 2011 (UTC)