User talk:Dwaipayanc/Archive 2

Re:Revolutionaries
Hi Dwaipayanc - I commend you for the creation of Revolutionary movement for Indian independence. It was a good idea, especially as the main independence article is overstuffed. but lemme advise you that: (1) your articles does not cite sources, (2) it does not tell the reader anything in particular. Please add some sources, and information on the events/characteristics, etc. that defined the "Revolutionary movement" and people like Khudiram Bose, RB Bose, etc. I'll help you as much as possible. Good initiative, but don't leave it hanging, or else it may be deleted. Rama&#39;s Arrow 00:04, 21 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I've reverted your additions to the Template:IndiaFreedom becoz the template is becoming unnecessarily large. You will observe that the list of freedom fighters is hardly complete itself, but we have to be selective. Don't worry about revolutionary groups articles: there is already a "More" button which will lead to other relevant articles. The template only acts as a quick-point introduction to relevant topics. Revolutionary movement for Indian independence is now not in danger of deletion. You're doing good work here. As a note to the future, please don't be discouraged if setbacks of any kind occur or if you get into arguments with others. I'm looking forward to working with you. Rama&#39;s Arrow 12:13, 21 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't ask for my "permission" so to say, but its good that you discussed the point. Yes, I agree with you about the change. Rama&#39;s Arrow 14:52, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion
I feel that instead of vyobaharakari, the Bengali language Userbox should have either sadasyo or upajogakarta. What do you think?

Aquatica page lacks info on importance, context
Hi,

Are you planning to update the Aquatica page any time soon? As it is, it's extremely short and lacks information on why it is notable, so I nominated it for speedy deletion. Apologies if it's a work in progress, you may want to add more info!

Idril 15:53, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

welcome to Novels
You are are warmly welcomed to the Novels group, I hope you enjoy your stay with us and find plenty of ways to help contribute. Have a look round the project pages, get familiar with our lists, tools, categories, templates and article patterns. Then just join in with the job of writing and improving as many Novel connected articles as you are able. Enjoy. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page)  21:35, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Bagha Jatin
I'm afraid that the version which you're trying to resurrect can't simply be edited so as to cut out the PoV bits; when I say that it's a mess, I'm not exaggerating. Much of it is incomprehensible or nearly so; it's written in dreadful and purple prose, and is full of errors of grammar, formatting, etc. I'm trying to build up a decent Wikipedia article; by reverting to the old version you're simply making that more difficult. Phronima 18:29, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The link is at the top of the Talk page: Bagha Jatin/Old article. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 19:54, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Prithwin Mukherjee might be an authority, but I'm afraid that he doesn't know how to write clear, neutral prose (and he may be elderly, but he needs to learn to control his temper and to stop abusing other editors). --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 19:57, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * If you want, I can transfer that version to another Temp page. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 20:01, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

1. Thanks to Mel Etitis for helping out. 2. I'm afraid that I don't know much about footnote codes, but you could try Footnotes. 3. It's not a matter of defending the article against accusations of bias; I don't think that there's any question but that it was written from a very definite point of view. Also, note that citations will often (usually) allow you to say things like: "According to x, this is the case", not simply to say "this is the case". 4. I still think that it's better to try adding material to the article that's there now, rather than working off-stage on a complete replacement. --Phronima 11:48, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Categorization of Student Life in IIT Kharagpur
I have added a few categories to the article. Please see and comment. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 16:15, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

DYK Rajbhavan
Hi Dwaipayan, you are welcome wrt the copyedit. The procedure for DYK is that it is updated by an admin with intervals greater than or equal to 6 hours on all week-days. Practically, we update it 2-3 times a day. The procedure is that as long as the article is not a stub or not an old one and if there are no objections (wrt notability for mainpage, interesting-ness and length of the fact, POV language of the article), these are usually updated - only caveat being that sometimes the no. of entries are huge and so, some suggestions may lose out. One of the admins updates it. I have been actively updating it since mid-December. I plan to use a picture from the article for the main page - so, please suggest images (non-copyrighted, GFDL etc) also when your suggested articles have them. I hope this response helps, --Gurubrahma 07:12, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Request for edit summary
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Re:Bagha Jatin
Hi - sorry if I took a while. You've done a good job with the references and writing of this article - lemme congratulate you on your enthusiastic work. There is nothing wrong with your intentions or work. The problem here is the style of writing which is POV and unencyclopedic. You have to be careful that you don't present Jatin's life as a story or include any glorifying or demeaning words. If you have quotes that glorify Jatin, obviously that's ok. But here's what I mean:

''Jatin was alerted and advised to leave the place. But his insistence to take Niren and Jatish with him delayed his exit by a few hours by which time a big police party headed by top European officers from Calcutta and Balasore, reinforced by the army unit from Chandbali of Mayurbhanj State, reached the neighbourhood. Jatin and the companions marched through the forests and hills of Mayurbhanj and after two days of weary walking reached the Balasore Railway Station.''

''The police already announced reward against the capture of the fleeing revolutionaries.So the local villagers were also in pursuit. With occasional skirmishes, the revolutionaries, running through jungles and marshy lands under a torrential rain, made out path to flee and at last took up position on September 9, 1915 behind an improvised trench in a bush on a hillock at Chashakhand in Balasore. Seeing the grave situation ahead, Chittapriya and his companions asked Jatin to leave them and go to a safe place while they guarded the rear. Such a possibility did exist, but Jatin refused to leave his associates and decided to have a show-down with the Government forces.''

- this sounds like a story - it includes dramatic descriptions that portrays Jatin and his friends as heroes against an evil police. Now you and I know this is true, but for an encyclopedia, this language is not appropriate. Its good writing, but not encyclopedic - where you're only supposed to state facts. Read the Manual of Style - it has clear recommendations on how to write a good article. Lemme also suggest that you re-write this like:

''Alerted (by...sympathizers?), Jatin and his companions Niren and Jatish narrowly escaped the police by hiding in and walking for two days through the forests and hills of Mayurbhanj. The three men dodged police and pursuers through marshy lands and forests until they were forced to cover in an improvised trench in a bush on a hillock at Chashakhand in Balasore. The three decided to make a stand against the police.''

The whole article needs to be written in a matter-of-fact tone and language, as advised by WP:MOS. If you fix the problem soon, there is no reason why your version cannot be adopted as the main article.

Also, in case you have any serious problem with a disruptive/abusive user, a conflict with a user, or suspect problems like copyright violations, improper references or propaganda articles, I suggest you consult a Wikipedia administrator - reputable ones include user:Gurubrahma, user:Bhadani and user:Sundar. These guys know and enforce Wikipedia rules. I'll always help you out with anything, but these guys are in a better position to handle serious problems.

Please keep up the great work - don't worry about criticism or conflict. Rama&#39;s Arrow 16:38, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I've been keeping an eye on things at Bagha Jatin. I was a little worried by the fact that, while User:Phronima has been steadily working alone at expanding and improving the article, making use of material from your version, you and others were working on the frankly awful alternative version &mdash; full of stylistic and coding problems, PoV language, and irrelevancies.  I now see that you (and the anon writer of the original, unacceptable article) have suddenly returned to the main article in order to make changes that often change good to bad style, introduce repetition and redundancy, and insert poorly formatted, distracting, and unnecessary references into the text.  Please edit in a careful and co-operative way.
 * Just to give one example, you've introduced the text: "There existed also on the Western coast of North America, since 1907, under the initiative of Taraknath Das and Guran Ditt Kumar,several units of an organisation of expatriate Indian workers of Hindu, Sikh and Muslim origin, growing conscious of their rights in the United States and of their duty to India;" The English here is stilted at best, the punctuation is poor, and the style is PoV. Another example: "Jatindranath probably knew that logically, in a country under bondage - owing to leakage and betrayals - such an ambitious plan of an armed uprising could not but fail."  This speculation, at best.
 * I'm afraid I totally disagree with the conclusions reached by User:Rama's Arrow (though his general advice, which contradicts his conclusions, is sound); I can't see that your version offers any advantage over the main article as it's progressing, and is significantly worse in many respects. I think that it might be a good idea for me to place the article at RfC to get some wider input from other editors.  I'll do that now. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:15, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah, in fact someone has already put it at RfC; I hope that it attracts some comments. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 22:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

wonderful efforts
Hi Dwaipayanc - you've done some amazing work. Your energy, attitude and enthusiasm is wonderful - please do not ever be discouraged by any conflict or criticism. There is a lot of criticism for every enthusiastic user, but learn from it and never take anything personally - I advise that you take a while to read good articles and learn how to write according to WP:MOS, and don't create categories without consulting someone else. But for your prodigious efforts, I must congratulate you. Jai Sri Rama! Rama&#39;s Arrow 16:47, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Bagha Jatin - Ur msg.
Hi, I am running right now, will get to it in a couple of days. btw, Rajbhavan is on the mainpage in the DYK. I have notified Rupak Biswas, the creator of the article about the same. --Gurubrahma 10:01, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry to say that I don't have the kind of time and familiarity with the subject to help you out right now. But, you've found the right person to intervene in Gurubrahma. I also see that Rama's arrow is trying to help you out, which should help. You can also approach Deeptrivia and ImpuMozhi for help with content, references and style. I'll try to help with copyediting once the mud clears away. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 12:05, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Please my response here. --Bhadani 17:50, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

about addition of political integration of India
Hello Dwaipayanc, Thanks for discussing about the matter. No doubt, it is one of the best articles on Wikipedia, that's why it is one of the featured articles. But, one thing i want to add on Portal:india, if one article, say X, is a featured article then for X, no need to be a selected article, it should be removed. I want people's participation to discuss the matter here, please put your views, so that we can remove already featured articles. Give your feedback on Portal talk:India Selected articles, if possible, so that other people also can participate. Thanks -- Shyam ( T / C ) 18:43, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

RDB Influence
Yes! Sarfaroshi Ki Tamanna and Bismil we definitely RDB influences. Was looking for SKT lyrics in here and was shocked to find that there wasn't even an article on Bismil! Thanks for the welcome and will definitely add more stuff over time.

-- Anish

Synopsis of RDB
D, the synopsis is supposed to be a a brief summary of the plot, so that readers can decide whether or not they want to see the movie. It isn't an opportunity to show off high-falutin' language, or to preach your political ideals. You are INSISTING on edits that make for a long, opaque, near unreadable para with a strong POV. Please back off. There are other articles where you can discuss the political situation in India today.

BTW, I think we'd generally agree in our views of Indian politics -- it's just that we have to be careful about intruding them on WP articles. Zora 07:29, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I guess it was coincidence then -- I reverted while you were editing the anon's contributions, and when you saved them, you reverted my revert. Sorry to have jumped to conclusions. With the instant revert, I figured you had edited without logging in. Would you object then if I changed the synopsis back? I don't want to seem to be defending my prose, BUT, the anon's contribution is just too dense. The para becomes unreadable. Zora 07:45, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I reverted when I saw it... my main problem is that you need to note a source about that... it's not just a simple summary... it's a loaded summary... and that needs to be acknowledge too... as it stands it was original research. If it's sourced then it just needs cleanup and to be put into context per NPOV. gren グレン 07:54, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * If you work something out with Zora it should be fine. However, I do think it should be sourced when you start discussing the movie with politics.  Because, it was no longer a simple plot summary. gren グレン 08:01, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * How about adding a section of film reviews and reactions to the film? Instead of an anon's essay, quote or link to various published reviews and essays. That would likely interest readers and wouldn't be original research. Zora 08:05, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I might not be the best person to pick the reviews or essays. I read the Usenet newsgroup (which is not really quotable), Rediff, and Outlook India. I'm sure that there are well-written, thoughtful essays re RDB that I've missed. Zora 08:14, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for your kind words on my talk page. Nach0king 09:53, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Care
Please take more care with your edits; other editors have to follow you correcting spacing before and after punctuation, etc. Spaces always follow commas, full stops, etc., and never precede them, for example.

Your latest edit turned the village's name into "Koya gram"; the previous one ( was full of errors, one of which looked simply vandalism, with its capitals and double line break. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 16:24, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I see... but the first time that you changed it, you changed it to the single word "Koyagram". Is the village called "Koya", or is it "Koyagram"?  What do the sources say? --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 16:47, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The Hindu Voice Website uses "Kayagram"; I can't find a Web reference to "Koya" as a village. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 18:22, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Holi greetings
Hi, I am wishing you a happy Holi, the unique Indian celebration of color and brotherhood among all members of the humanity. The festival falls on 15th March 2006. I have collected A Gift Pack of Quotationsfor you contained in the sections DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY and SOMETHING MORE, which are part of the on-going discussion pertaining to my nomination of Idleguy for adminship. You are aware of the tradition that if you throw colored water on flames of burning Holika, you enable a Prahlad to emerge from the flames!!! I again convey Holi greetings to you and your family!!! --Bhadani 14:31, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Holi greetings
Hi, I am wishing you a happy Holi, the unique Hindu celebration of color and brotherhood among all members of the humanity. The festival falls on 15th March 2006. I have collected A Gift Pack of Quotations for you contained in the sections Do things Differently & Something More , which are part of the on-going discussion pertaining to my nomination of Idleguy for adminship. You are aware of the tradition that if you throw colored water on flames of burning Holika, you enable a Prahlad to emerge from the flames!!! I again convey Holi greetings to you and your family!!! --Bhadani 16:15, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanx and need info
Hi, I wanted to know how to put those rectangular information boxes in user page. Thanx for the welcome message. Maha Mantri 05:23, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

K. R. Narayanan PR
K. R. Narayanan has been moved to PR. Will you take a look? Thanks in advance. -Pournami 12:52, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi from Elizabeth
Namaste! Thanks for your comment on my user talk page. It is great to be able to send greetings to a fellow physician. I only had the opportunity to visit Calcutta once in the early 1980s when travelling across the top of India, but I have been able to maintain a small connection to India by taking care of some patients from the area living in the US now. (and of course by cooking and eating recipies from the area). I would very much like to again have the opportunity to visit India again in the future. What is your medical area of practice/interest? elizmr 17:47, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Good work
Great work in starting the articles on Benoy Basu, Badal Gupta, Dinesh Gupta and other Bengali revolutionaries. I've added more info on their birth places. Bikrampur in Dhaka District has produced many outstanding people throughout history, I think I'll work on an article on that region pretty soon. But again, thanks for taking the initiative.

As for photos of these people, can't we use on of Bagha Jatin as from Banglapedia? Under Indian copyright law, the photo is in Public domain. So are those of anyone who died before 1946, right? Thanks. --Ragib 00:26, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

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 * As mentioned in my talk page, the image is in PD according to Bangladeshi and Indian copyright law, both of which make a photograph PD 60 years after its publication. I have created the tag for public domain images from Bangladesh region. --Ragib 07:07, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Galloway Mowat syndrome
Brilliant article! Enjoyed it very much. -- Samir ∙ TC  07:59, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * And Gastric lymphoma looks great also. Was on call last night and fell asleep before I got your messages.  -- Samir ∙ TC  [[Image:Flag of Canada.svg|25px|  ]] 14:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Re:Template
Yeah I'll check it out. Feel free to have a go yourself - its the size of the pics, plus the Bhagat Singh one is a bit longer. Rama&#39;s Arrow 22:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

DYK Gastric lymphoma
Yes, I put it up for DYK! I think we did a great job on it! Take care -- Samir T   C   06:46, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

DYK

 * oops, I seem to have put the message in middle of no where last time :( - correcting the same now. As for your query, User:Samir grover suggested it as can be seen here - I believe he collaborated with you on this one; the date of creation is 6th March and he listed it on the same date. However, the suggestions are removed once they make it to the main page and hence, the only way to see it is through history. --Gurubrahma 06:49, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Richter's transformation
Sorry, I wasn't very clear on my meaning. Richter's transformation, as I understand is CLL -> NHL - -which can involve the stomach. My point was that any patient with primary gastric lymphoma should have a lymphocyte count done to exclude Richter's. I'll make it clearer! -- Samir ∙  T   C  09:13, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Local gigantism
Great article! Wish I knew more about the subject. I tried to organize it a bit more and added a bit on treatment. Hope it pans out for DYK! -- Samir ∙  T   C  09:36, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your compliments, and I offer you even more congratulations! Today the both of us have works on DYK! Mine is the Bhulabhai Desai entry. Keep up the great work! Rama&#39;s Arrow 17:54, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Local Gigantism
Hi, Nice article on the main page! elizmr 21:08, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Great job! It made DYK!  Cheers -- Samir ∙ [[Image:Flag of Canada.svg|25px|  ]]  T   C  00:11, 10 March 2006 (UTC)