User talk:Dwid hellion/Archive 1

May 2009
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Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did with this edit to the page Integrity (band). Such edits constitute vandalism and are reverted. Please do not continue to make unconstructive edits to pages; use the sandbox for testing. Thank you. Sitethief (talk) 13:41, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did to Integrity (band), you will be blocked from editing. Your edits have been automatically marked as vandalism and have been automatically reverted. If you believe there has been a mistake and would like to report a false positive, please report it here and then remove this warning from your talk page. If your edit was not vandalism, please feel free to make your edit again after reporting it. The following is the log entry regarding this vandalism: Integrity (band) was changed by Dwid hellion (u) (t) replacing entire content with something else on 2009-05-24T13:44:15+00:00. Thank you. ClueBot (talk) 13:44, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

August 2010
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File:Dwidvh.jpg listed for deletion
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January 2013
Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Integrity (band), without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. Auric   talk  13:57, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

February 2013
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did at Integrity (band), you may be blocked from editing. Thank you. Fezmar9 (talk) 21:19, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

You have been blocked temporarily from editing for persistent disruptive editing. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Drmies (talk) 23:40, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

March 2013
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did at Integrity (band), you may be blocked from editing. Thank you. Auric   talk  19:42, 16 March 2013 (UTC) You have been blocked temporarily from editing for abuse of editing privileges. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Materialscientist (talk) 03:21, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

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Removal of link
This regards this edit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ADwid_hellion&type=revision&diff=994633510&oldid=539133772

WP:UPYES says:

"You are also welcome to include a simple link to your personal home page, although you should not surround it with any promotional language. However, if a link to your home page is the only thing on your userpage, this may be seen as an attempt at self-promotion."

So, Dwid, if you are willing to write an "about me" paragraph and include something like "my homepage is..." it would be acceptable. --Guy Macon (talk) 04:52, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

thank you

Cleveland?
Re:

Did you not write "One day, I sat down and did the math... and there have been over 60 people in the band. And that was a couple years ago. It's kind of a prep school to be in Cleveland rock and roll."

The same source says "He was in the U.S. for a one-off gig with his band, a temporary return from Belgium, his home for the last two years."

The band is from Cleveland according to reliable independent sources. Do you have any sources that say that you have a band in Belgium? If so, we would be happy to add that information. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:55, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Guy,

No, i did not write that. that quote was taken from an interview that was written by DX Ferris and was published in 2005 by clevescene magazine

sources confirming that I live in Belgium:

https://www.discogs.com/artist/275371-Integrity-2

https://deadrhetoric.com/features/integrity-esoteric-nightmares/

https://blowthescene.com/news/dwid-hellion-of-integrity-rare-exclusive-interview.html

https://darkops.site/integrity

https://noisecreep.com/integrity-dwid-interview/

http://music.hardcore-gateway.be/artists/integrity/

https://eternalabhorrence.wordpress.com/2014/03/04/integrity-interview/

https://www.noecho.net/features/creepout-integrity

https://exclaim.ca/music/article/five_unexpected_elements_that_shaped_integritys_occult-inspired_new_lp_howling_for_the_nightmare_shall_consume

https://www.ghostcultmag.com/riding-the-snake-an-interview-with-integrity/

https://www.last.fm/music/Integrity

https://www.devilshorns666.com/2020/02/integrity-interview-with-dwid-on-eve-of.html

https://twitter.com/thrashermag/status/1009461618181226496?lang=ca


 * OK, it looks like Discog says "Metallic hardcore punk band originally from USA, based in Belgium since 2003." Active in various lineups since 1988 and Last.fm says "Integrity is a metalcore band originally founded in 1988 by vocalist Dwid Hellion. Integrity relocated to Belgium in 2004." I am going to assume that last.fm got the date wrong, based upon your edit comment mentioning 2003. --Guy Macon (talk) 23:01, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


 * [redacted]


 * MTV also says he lives in Belgium:
 * http://www.mtv.com/news/2699254/integritys-dwid-hellion-on-suicide-black-snake-humanity-and-charles-manson/
 * "Hive telephoned Hellion at his home in the woods in Belgium..."
 * --Guy Macon (talk) 04:29, 17 December 2020 (UTC)


 * So does cleveland.com:
 * https://www.cleveland.com/music/2012/10/hardcore_metal_band_integrity.html
 * "Even though influential underground band Integrity is often linked to its beginnings in Cleveland, these days the metallic hardcore act doesn't consider Northeast Ohio anything other than a tour stop. 'The band formed in Cleveland but I wasn't born there,' said Dwid Hellion, who now lives in Belgium. 'I moved to Ohio when I was 15.' "
 * --Guy Macon (talk) 04:36, 17 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Not a reliable source, but if he lived somewhere else, it would be quite a coincidence that official Integrity / www.holyterror.com merchandise is sold by eBay user dwidhellion and ships from Gent, Belgium. (interesting pricing structure...) --Guy Macon (talk) 04:55, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

thank you

hello Guy

it seems our snarky hater has returned to the wiki page with more hope of defaming my band once again:

"Hellion has been criticized for "an artist's penchant for brooding, a frat boy's taste for fun, and a used-car salesman's tongue, the mercurial Dwid is a charismatic shit-talker who's one of the most divisive figures in all of hardcore." He operated a 'zine where he would "crack on people" to "create controversy" and this limited the prospects of the band. Tours crumbled, shows were cancelled and a revolving-door membership has amounted to over 60 people.[5]"

kire1975 back to his tricks again of disinformation and lies. derek hess never did artwork for any integrity album. the only possible connection is derek drew an album cover for a compilation of various artists that integrity was on, a motorhead tribute. kire1975 is again abusing wiki for his own personal vendetta

Dec 2020
Pleae read wp:v wp:rs and wp:blp, and wp:orSlatersteven (talk) 18:42, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Dwid hellion. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about in the page Integrity (band), you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:
 * Please also take a look at WP:POINT. Blanking essentially all the prose does not help your position. —C.Fred (talk) 20:15, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I did?Slatersteven (talk) 12:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)


 * avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization or competitors;
 * propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the request edit template);
 * disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Conflict of interest);
 * avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see WP:Spam);
 * do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:25, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I was not promoting, I was changing the incorrect geographical location where my band has been based for almost 20 years. Somehow the editors on wiki choose to relocate my band to another continent for their own entertainment. This type of inaccuracy seems to be ongoing by several editors on wiki. I would prefer that my band was not slandered and misrepresented with the endless inaccuracies that wiki often shares. Usually, these inaccuracies come with a clear intention of harming my band and its efforts. As the one editor proudly stated earlier today, "I have never heard of this band" and yet this poster is also an expert on a band they have never heard of? Please remove my band from your wiki database. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwid hellion (talk • contribs) 20:44, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


 * [redacted]


 * Kire1975 I can see that this is a personal issue for you and that you are not as unfamiliar with my band as you stated earlier. You have made it clear that you shall remain persistent in personally deciding where I reside. so I will leave you to your fun. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwid hellion (talk • contribs) 21:30, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


 * You have two choices. Either you follow the rules that I posted above or you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. If you choose to follow our rules, we welcome corrections from band members. Simply go to Talk:Integrity (band) and post something like "Hi! I am a member of the band. You got the geographical location wrong. The correct location is X." Someone will come along and fix the article shortly. If you choose to continue breaking our rules, you will be unable to edit Wikipedia and we won't find out about such errors. Your choice. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:41, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * We go with that wP:rs say, if they are incorrect you need to take this up with them.Slatersteven (talk) 12:48, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe that I have got the geographical information sorted out.


 * "Integrity is an hardcore band, originally from Cleveland, Ohio but based in Belgium since 2003. It was formed in 1988 by lead vocalist Dwid Hellion."


 * The MTV and cleveland.com sources are not clear on the exact date of the move, but multiple unreliable sources such as https://www.discogs.com/artist/275371-Integrity-2 give 2003 as the date, nobody seems to dispute it, and I don't see why anyone would lie about it. If anyone challenges the 2003 date I will remove it, but the fact that the band moved to Belgium is covered by reliable sources.


 * User:Dwid hellion has not edited Integrity (band) since my warning above. If it happens again I will take the usual route and will no doubt get the usual result.


 * Alas, the Integrity (band) page appears to have attracted someone who has a personal animosity against either the band or one of the members, and is exhibiting WP:IDHT and WP:CIR behavior such as a belief that if someone vandalizes a page someone else removes the vandalism, and then they revert the removal, they are not responsible for the fact that the page is once again vandalized. I still need to do a bunch of copyediting to make that page less promotional. I am hoping that they will hold off on the disruption long enough for me to finish (I am working right now and can only edit Wikipedia while waiting for certain test to complete, and cleaning up that page will take my full attention). --Guy Macon (talk) 16:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)


 * [redacted]

Kire1975 I can see that you take great pride in your online power role. You always steer these wiki conversations towards yourself and your endless boasts of bullying others as an online content-cop. And yes, before you remind us all once again, we have all repeatedly heard your questionable claim that you have "never heard" of me nor my band. . .yet here you are. . . once again investing so much time and energy into a band that you've never heard of? Strange way to squander your time. It would make more sense if you were doing all of this bullying because you dislike the band, rather than your claim that you have simply randomly chosen a band to target? No one has tried to cause you to "cow in fear". Your endless insults and jabs at me and my band are amusing, and they have once again allowed you to steer the conversation away from wiki, away from my band and directly point all of the attention directly towards yourself. Enjoy the attention, seems like you need it much more than we do. Dwid hellion (talk) 11:14, 18 December 2020 (UTC) dwid

"The band has plays punk, hardcore, and metal-related music, " this is a better description of the bands music (taken from the wiki page) rather than simple "integrity is a hardcore band" but I am starting to understand how this format works, and I assume that the genre determination of my music is not up to me to clarify, but up to the wiki community. Old dog learns new tricks haha


 * Thanks for understanding. Writing an encyclopedia is kind of weird compared to most other writing. Everything we do is centered around the idea that we are not writing what we know but instead are writing what we read in published sources. It's a weird rule, but it stops us from becoming another Twitter, where anyone can write anything and they usually do.


 * What we really care about is what reliable sources say. Like it or not, if The New York Times, BBC, and NPR say that you play Polka or Ragtime, that's what gets in the encyclopedia. So the key for someone like you who wants to understand how to work with Wikipedia is to read and understand three pages. When you get some free time, click on these links: WP:V WP:RS WP:COI.


 * BTW, I just listened to dancing with myself from the Project: Regenesis Album. I liked it better than the Billy Idol original -- and I like Billy Idol a lot. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:44, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

haha thanks

and thanks for taking the time to explain wiki. I had a different understanding of this website before this conversation. As for labels and genre classification, i am a non-conformist and find all of these simple terms, "hardcore" "punk" "metal" "pop" to be limiting and unfair to creativity. I realize that these terms simplify the journalists job, but it can be frustrating when I do interviews and the journalist uses Wiki as a source of fact. They use to Wiki to formulate their interview questions. I can not tell you how many times in the past 2 decades i have been asked about Cleveland related questions. "How is the weather there in Cleveland?", "How are the Cleveland Cavaliers doing this season?", "What are some great new up and coming bands in your city of Cleveland?" while I do realize it is a minor, yet frustrating inconvenience, in the big picture false information begets false reality and confusion.


 * Nobody wants Wikipedia to have false information. I hope that my edit:


 * "Integrity is an hardcore band, originally from Cleveland, Ohio but based in Belgium since 2003. It was formed in 1988 by lead vocalist Dwid Hellion."


 * ...will stop people from thinking you are still in cleveland.


 * I am still thinking about what to do about the genre labels. I agree that your band is really difficult to pigeonhole. The basic problems with labels is that they assume that different musicians "play the same music". That works OK if we are talking about a symphony orchestra or someone who plays delta blues, but doesn't work well with someone like you. Give me some time to talk it over with other editors. In the meantime we are kind of stuck with saying "cleveland.com calls the band 'hardcore metal'. Does anyone have a reliable source that calls them something else?"


 * I am a bit swamped right now but I should be free to rewrite the article some time next week. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:48, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

kire1975 I see you are back with more vandalizing of the page for your own personal vendetta against my band (a band you have "never heard" but are simultaneously an expert?).

Your draft article, Draft:Dwid Hellion


Hello, Dwid hellion. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Dwid Hellion".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 18:56, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

ANI Notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Kire1975. Thank you. Guy Macon (talk) 02:04, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

hello Guy, I was under the impression that wiki strives to have facts back up their content. while the cleveland scene article was printed, albeit 15 years ago, it was also a hit job. name calling, slander, even taking cheap shots at my family. this article is unique in that content and i find it unusual that this old interview is used as almost the sole source of my bands wiki content, especially considering how old the article is as well as the unbiased nature of the article itself. not to mention that many interviews have been published online since. thank you for listening and happy new year

ANI conversation closed
Hi there. I have moved your most recent contribution to the discussion at the Administrators' noticeboard to outside of the box. As it says there, the discussion is closed and you should not continue to alter it. Sdrqaz (talk) 17:43, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

my mistake. I was trying to respond to the allegations that kire1974 made against me and am not familiar with all of the wiki tools. thank you for informing me.


 * He Who Shall Not Be Named has been topic banned from talking about you, me, Integrity, or any of your music. anywhere on Wikipedia. All of the things he accused you of in the ANI case above have been replaced with the "[redacted]". Basic fairness as well as Wikipedia policy says that nether of us should say anything about He Who Shall Not Be Named from now on. Just forget that he exists..
 * Any discussion of whether to use Cleveland Scene as a source should take place on Talk:Integrity (band) without any mention of He Who Shall Not Be Named.


 * You are allowed to delete pretty much anything on your own talk page (there are a few exceptions like block appeals that don't apply here.) I am going to start a new section titled "Fresh Start" below. Would you like me to archive everything else on this page so we can make a fresh start? --Guy Macon (talk)

Yes thank you Guy. And thank you for explaining the wiki protocols. I am sorry you were targeted by He Who Shall Not Be Named and i appreciate you standing your ground. happy new years Dwid hellion (talk) 15:23, 10 January 2021 (UTC)dwid hellion

Fresh Start
Dwid, if you are willing, I would like us to make a fresh start. Would you be willing to take some time and learn a little bit more about editing Wikipedia? I can see a few ways that Wikipedia could do a better job of improving our coverage of your band. Let's start with an informal rule of thumb: On this page we only talk about Dwid Hellion the Wikipedia editor and how he can become a better Wikipedia editor. Discussion about Dwid Hellion the musician and about what should be on the Integrity (band) page should be at Talk:Integrity (band). Discussion about what should be on the Howling, For the Nightmare Shall Consume page should be at Talk:Howling, For the Nightmare Shall Consume, and so forth. Does all of this sound reasonable to you? --Guy Macon (talk) 20:48, 9 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello Guy, yes this sounds like a very good idea. best Dwid hellion (talk) 15:25, 10 January 2021 (UTC) dwid hellion


 * PS: the original reason for editing the integrity wiki page was to correct the fact that my band is not based in Cleveland. After looking at the page today, it seems that HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED has snuck in a 2nd mention of Cleveland for added spite. is it possible to minimalize this ridiculous geographical focus? I cant imagine that the fact that decades ago i resided in cleveland as being such a hot topic of information that its needed multiple mentions on the wiki page. I don't understand why even one mention is relevant hahaha Dwid hellion (talk) 20:44, 10 January 2021 (UTC)dwid hellion


 * Please ask the above question at Talk:Integrity (band), but just talk about the content of the page without any mention of Kire1975. No euphemisms, no "I am talking about him without appearing to talk about him" language. We both need to completely stop talking about him in any form. If we don't, the restriction on him talking about us is unfair. Thanks! --Guy Macon (talk) 21:37, 10 January 2021 (UTC)