User talk:Dyoung11

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BTW: Those less educated always seem to attack what the do not know. Currently the US Government is in process of looking into those awarded degrees under the State versus those issued under James Kirk. Having earned four degree (2 undergrad and two grad (not to mention the post grad LaSalle Education Corp), making more $$$ than those discounting those of us w/out a clue to what Kirk was doing are simply ignorant of facts. I suppose we should throw out all distance education degrees from the University of Phoenix, Walden University, Nova University, etc. concerning your logic. I am sure that those of you attacking LaSalle understand that many MD's coming to America from over sea’s institutions go through the same Apostate process. Which I would guess that many of the nay Sayers here most likely either know someone like this or are one themselves.

February 2009
Please do not add content without citing reliable sources. Before making potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. If you are familiar with Citing sources please take this opportunity to add references to the article. TallMagic (talk) 15:00, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

BTW Dyoung11, the letter you copied into the article is worthless and meaningless even if everything it said was true. Having an apostille only proves that the undoubtably worthless signatures are really signatures. It is the document produced by a notary public. I could sign a piece of tissue paper and have a notary public make an apostille out of it proving that I had signed it. An apostate is something totally different and proves that the letter was written by an uneducated person that had no clue what they were talking about and were only trying to sound official and educated. An apostille proves absolutely nothing regarding the validity of the credential only the signature. This kind of silliness doesn't belong in Wikipedia. Regards, TallMagic (talk) 15:25, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Dyoung11, I note that there is no longer a mention of the ridiculously named "Apostate process". Have you fiddled with the official document that you have inserted into Wikipedia? Which one is correct, the first copy or the second copy? Perhaps neither copy? Don't you think that modifying supposedly quoted documents is dishonest? Don't you think that when you post two different versions of the supposedly same document that people are going to notice? What do you expect people to do in this situation? TallMagic (talk) 17:07, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Dyoung11 (talk) 17:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC)It is very appropriate that someone with your mentality and education would refuse to leave your user ID for a thorough discussion of the merits you raise. You, like many of your ilk, will defend an institution like Nova University, University of Phoenix, or similar distance learning University because they are “accredited”but condemn anyone associate with LaSalle University due to the dishonest J. Kirk who was rightfully prosecuted.

You get out of any educational program what you put into it. Most, if not all, students at LaSalle had absolutely no idea what James Kirk had done or was doing. I have two graduate degrees from accredited Universities, one bachelor and one associates degree from traditional accredited U.S. Colleges/Universities. I worked as hard at LaSalle as I did at all four of these schools. In addition I had all Ph.D. Adjunct Professors grade and review/approve my work.

I do not use the title earned from LaSalle because of the ignorance and stigma placed on LaSalle by uneducated individuals that only see one side. I can assure you one thing – my current job does not require a Ph.D. – but I would bet a paycheck that I earn double your salary in a year!

I am sure that you have complete confidence in all the Medical Physicians who come over to our country with the same Apostille verifying their diploma/degree. As well as every other foreigner taking US Jobs requiring higher education degrees with that same Apostille verifying a piece of paper.

LaSalle graduates may obtain to this day verification of their work through the articles of incorporation (34563440N) and Apostille on file with the Secretary of State, Louisiana, POC: megan.burgess@sos.louisiana.gov or contact at 225-922-1190.

Dyoung11 (talk) 17:22, 26 February 2009 (UTC)In addition, someone DELETED the first section I put in and stated that I needed to verify my statements/input. I am new to Wiki but amazed at some of the ignorance here. What I put in came directly from the letter provided by Colonel Evans C. Spiceland, Jr., M.Ed-, USA (Ret.) as well as information obtained by the State of La.

Dyoung11 (talk) 17:56, 26 February 2009 (UTC) By the way... I originally applied to and was accepted to Nova University (closest clusters were an 8 hr drive) as well as the University of Cincinnati Post Grad Schools. Do I regret spending 3 yrs of my life studying at LaSalle? Yes, however, I am not ashamed of the work I did and realize that the majority of those condemning LaSalle are lucky to have one post-secondary degree (which includes a majority of the LEO community that were so critical and lumped all of us in with J. Kirk).


 * Dyoung11, thank you for responding. Welcome again to Wikipedia. I'm still confused by your obviously false statements but accept the reasonable possiblity that perhaps I've just misunderstood something. Let me try again, if it is true that the letter you twice copied into the article "came directly from the letter provided by Colonel Evans C. Spiceland". Then why are there two versions of what you claim is the exact same letter? Compare the first version here with the second version here  They are different. They can't be the same letter or you modified the letter or something? Do you see how this might make some people think that you're being insincere or perhaps dishonest? TallMagic (talk) 18:10, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Dyoung11 (talk) 18:24, 26 February 2009 (UTC) after the first posting was deleted I put in a less forthright response and took out the FBI and LEO citations. I copied the letter from a pdf file and did have to make minor corrections due to transfer from adobe .pdf to .txt (e.g., I noticed that "Apostille" tranferred to "Apostate" so I made sure the original letter matched the first one. I have the original .pdf version that I can link if someone can tell me how? I am not computer ignorant, however, today is the first day I have used Wiki (check my registration if you ar able).

Dyoung11 (talk) 18:27, 26 February 2009 (UTC) I will gladly send the pdf scanned letter to anyone that would like a copy -- youngd73@hotmail.com also, I had no trouble finding the current contact info through google on Colonel Evans C. Spiceland -- he is still living in Mandeville retired and a simple google search can verify the letter.

Dyoung11 (talk) 18:30, 26 February 2009 (UTC) Here it is if to save time... Spiceland, Evans C., Jr. (Col.) 123 West Ruelle Mandeville, LA 70471 (985) 630-6102 http://www.legis.state.la.us/boards/board_members.asp?board=348


 * Hi again, I do not see how it is possible that
 * "Apostille" tranferred to "Apostate"
 * You have now apparently admitted that you modified what was supposed to be a quote from someone else and then put it in Wikipedia. You have given an incredible explanation for why you did it. Those kind of statements are definitely not helping your credibility. Perhaps you should do the "simple Google search" yourself since I can't know what other parts of the letter you modified? It is the responsibility of the person adding information to Wikipedia to provide reliable sources for the information. That means you in this case, not me. I'm not saying that you're a reliable source but that you must put the reliable source in the article. Sending me information personally is irrelevent. All article changes must follow Wikipedia policies. Please review wp:v. TallMagic (talk) 18:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I removed the misleading (i.e., deceptive) promotional material that you added to James Kirk diploma mills. Not only is Wikipedia Wikipedia not a vehicle for advertising or promotion, but it is most emphatically not a vehicle for transmitting deceptive advertising. An apostille is by no means a form of educational accreditation, nor is it a substitute for accreditation. Please do not attempt to re-add this material. --Orlady (talk) 19:13, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Dyoung11, what Orlady says is the absolute truth. As I mentioned earlier, the letter you copied into the article is worthless and meaningless even if everything it said was true. This is even if we ignored the ridiculousness of using the word apostate in your original copy and you inserting two copies of the same letter that don't match. Having an apostille only proves that the undoubtably worthless and insignificant signatures are really signatures of those insignificant people. It is the document produced by a notary public. I could sign a piece of dirty tissue paper and have a notary public make an apostille out of it proving that I had signed it. An apostille proves absolutely nothing regarding the validity of the credential only the signature. This kind of silliness doesn't belong in Wikipedia. Regards, TallMagic (talk) 02:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * BTW Dyoung11, I did a large number of Google searches for the irrelevent meaningless deceptive letter that you added to the article twice, contrary to your assurance that a "simple google search can verify the letter" it could not be found. This is apparently another example of your innumerable false statements. If I've misunderstood then sorry and please clarify. Regards, TallMagic (talk) 05:19, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * BTW Orlady I fully understand why no serious professionals in the scientific or educational areas take Wiki seriously. You set up guidelines to be respectful and courteous, yet the editors (who obviously are educationally challenged) revert to name calling and in your own words "ridiculous" assertations. Wiki is a joke and I will be deleting my account as well as ensuring to spread the word how lame this site truly is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dyoung11 (talk • contribs) 15:48, 27 February 2009


 * Dyoung11, I believe your subjective assertions are incorrect. May I remind you of the following that you have recently said here?
 * It is very appropriate that someone with your mentality and education would refuse to leave your user ID for a thorough discussion of the merits you raise.
 * I would like to note here that my user ID was in fact properly included following Wikipedia best practices and guidelines. Comments regarding my mentality and education deserve no response.
 * You, like many of your ilk, will defend an institution like Nova University, University of Phoenix, or similar distance learning University because they are “accredited”but condemn anyone associate with LaSalle University due to the dishonest J. Kirk who was rightfully prosecuted.
 * I note here that Dyoung11 has no idea what my "ilk" is nor my beliefs in this area.
 * I can assure you one thing – my current job does not require a Ph.D. – but I would bet a paycheck that I earn double your salary in a year!
 * Totally irrelevant ad hominem attack.
 * I am new to Wiki but amazed at some of the ignorance here.
 * The ignorance of a new Wikipedia editor is an accepted situation. We've all been new to Wikipedia at one time. Although I don't believe that Dyoung11 was referring to his own ignorance here.
 * You set up guidelines to be respectful and courteous, yet the editors (who obviously are educationally challenged)
 * Another purely ad hominem attack.
 * Dyoung11, you obviously are very emotionally tied up in this issue. In the future should you decide to revisit your option of editting Wikipedia, may I suggest that you try to choose something that you are intellectually interested in but perhaps not quite as emotionally involved in. In any case, I wish you well in your future endeavors. Regards, TallMagic (talk) 23:00, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

new paragraph added to James Kirk diploma mill article
I added a paragraph to the article providing more detail of the LaSalle history. When it was a diploma mill and when it was less of a diploma mill and a very small period when it was not a diploma mill at all. Let me know if you like it. :-) TallMagic (talk) 07:36, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

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