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Re: That's What She Said
Awesome image! You're exactly right, only in the Western Pacific. The same thing happened with Zeb in 1998 which spawned Alex before the moon crashed. Has that ever happened in the Atlantic or EPAC in your knowledge? The closest thing I can think of is Babe in 1977 which spawned Clara in its outer rainbands. The WPAC is truly underestimated in how awesome it is. I only wish more meteorologists paid attention to some of its wonders. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 00:07, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry to be right again, but the NHC says Clara formed from a spiral band from Babe :P Vince and the Subtrop is close, but Ivan and the TD were probably not due to them leaving Africa two days apart. That aside, I'll have to agree with you on that one. 1997 PTS is probably my favorite season. The twins Ivan and Joan, Paka in December, and an ACE of (per my calculation) 604, over twice that of 2005! Once I finish with a few other projects, I want to give the season justice and get it featured. I've never seen or heard a tropical cyclone being described as the immaculate conception, but if that's what comes to your mind, so be it :D Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:19, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: You found it
Nice job man! That's what I was talking about when I said there were many storms each year that weren't classified. It looks like it started as an extratropical cyclone. The last visible satellite shot shows a circulation, but the JTWC probably didn't think anything of it due to its latitude. Convection increased through the night to look like the image you posted, but by the next morning's visible image it fell to crap. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 21:02, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * That sounds about right. Unfortunately, as strong of a case as you have, it was not recognized by any warning agency, and thus would be considered original research. I know because I've done the same thing :( Hurricanehink ( talk ) 23:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe you can put it on the talk page, but I'm very leery on adding it to the article. In fact, I hid the section in the 1987 season... Now wait a sec, this isn't right. You're supposed to be the conservative and I'm the liberal - how come you're for a change while I'm opposed to it :P Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:00, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * True, but it was never confirmed or mentioned by any other warning center or even any other meteorologist, as far as we know. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 23:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, I did remove 1987. I just left it hidden. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 05:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The text is still in the article if you click edit this page, though I put it in so it doesn't show up when people view it. This is because no one has agreed either way whether it should be kept or not. I personally think (and said) it should be removed entirely, but no one else has commented. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Nice, looks like another one. However, for this one I wonder if Pagasa might have warned on it. Pagasa tends to classify storms more leniently, after all, and something like that would probably warrant classification, although its short duration might negate that. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 23:57, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Bummer. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Eh, that one is iffier. Naming which tropical depressions should've been tropical storms is an area I don't want to touch ;) Hurricanehink ( talk ) 19:39, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Thelma
It's hard to believe, isn't it? The reason for the high death toll, IIRC, is due to the severe deforestation around the area of heaviest rainfall, much like Gordon 94 which was of similar strength and organization. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:42, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yea. Supposedly Thelma stalled or moved slowly over land, though that isn't strongly supported by best track. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 14:35, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It must've been the severe deforestation, then. I remember there were tons of mudslides, and the island where it hit has a population of 1.5 million in an area of about 5,000 square miles, so fairly densely populated. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 19:59, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Ooh, got that right. The sad part about the 1991 Bangladesh Cyclone is that it caused almost 100 times as many deaths as Katrina. However, few know about it :( Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Bingo. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Creative Commons
Yeah, you can use CC images on your user page, since they're not fair use and commercial use is permitted. --Core desat  17:00, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Fun, Sun, and Holy Grail
Yea, I suppose I should be relaxing more, though like it says on my user page my time of lowest pressure is on the computer. And I don't mind listening to your mindless ramblings ;) That Tip image, yep, your reaction pretty much sums up my reaction. I first saw it back in January while doing some research for the storm, and my second reaction (first being a feeling of shock and awe) was uncertainty over whether we could use it. I'm still not sure, but who cares? That is the only image that I know of that accurately presents the furiosity and awesomeness of Tip. That's all I can say. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Heh, ogling over hurricane images is fun, as long as they're those femme-canes :) Damn, I'm really sorry to hear about your computer; hopefully once you restart it won't take as long as before. Have fun with your well-deserved break. You're leaving just as I'm getting back, and I can attest how great a vacation feels. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:42, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

User page vandals
It seems your fans are back... Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 22:39, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

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The silence is no longer deafening.
Finally! A storm has formed in the west Pacific. It's about freakin time. It's pretty organized, too. I'm just glad something is happening up here. →Cycl  one1 → 00:08, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Me too. →Cycl   one1 → 18:37, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I know... we jinxed it. →Cycl   one1 → 19:01, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

quick little postie
hi! long time no see!

added some more user boxes and junk to my page! Lemme know what's up and i'll get back to ya!

bye! miss you!

Chef Clover 14:24, 2 May 2007 (UTC) MyTalk

My reversion of your edit to List of Category 5 Pacific hurricanes
You recently made an edit to List of Category 5 Pacific hurricanes where you changed the sentence "Identical phenomena in the north Pacific Ocean west of the dateline" to "Identical phenomena in the northwest Pacific Ocean west of the dateline". In other words, you added the word "northwest". I reverted your edit because I don't see how saying northwest twice makes it more clear, and it already said "west of the dateline" later in the sentence.

Thanks. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 21:41, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

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Re: NHC misses 'em too
Ehh, I don't know. That one is pretty borderline, and I don't think I would upgrade that. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 22:48, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, sorry to barge in, but I think they meant this storm. This little "Catarina of the North" is actually on its way out in this picture, having had an eye a few days earlier on 11/18/1991 12:00UTC. It kept its tropical characteristics for about three days. Cycl  one1  (01:44-12-05-2007)

Re: NRL
Have you been having trouble accessing it today only, or during the past few days? Currently, there are no storms active on NRL. Where are you being redirected to? -- RattleMan 17:18, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It's a bit weird for me as well. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 21:38, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yea... I actually like the new Unisys design. I'm not gaga over some of the new colors, but I do really like how the maps use dates instead of the track positions. Also, per the 2004 page, it looks like subtropical storms might be getting their own colors, which I definitely approve of. I also really like how they got rid of the equator bug (previously, if an Atlantic storm crossed the equator, the map got screwy and showed the entire planet). Hurricanehink ( talk ) 22:02, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Are you using the navigational buttons on the left frame of the main NRL page, or the directory view? If you're using the left frame, I suggest you try the directory view here. -- RattleMan 23:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: 2005 AHS edit
First, I did not say it was not irrelevant. I said it was not important, which it is not. Without any reference, both referencing a source and providing another season as an example, it is a bit trivial. Furthermore, it doesn't provide any clarification; does the streak include extratropical/remnant low time? It is also included in 2005 Atlantic hurricane season statistics, which suffices in its inclusion. Perhaps some of the research done for it can be expanded there. My biggest concern is that all of the other records on the main page can easily be verified by Hurdat. However, that edit cannot. I hope you understand. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:20, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It still sounds a bit like original research. Has there been any institution remarking on that? Also, I don't like the idea of using weeks as the guideline. Weeks are human-made designations for time periods; using days would be much more effective. For example, putting in something like "During the officially designated season from June 1 to November 30, a total of 50 days lacked the presence of a tropical cyclone. For comparison, a total of 74 days during the second-most active season, 1933, lacked the presence of a tropical cyclone, though due to the lack of satellite imagery inaccuracies are possible. Additionally, a total of 72 days during the third-most active season, 1995, lacked the presence of a tropical cyclone." Something like that, which is very easily verifiable and strictly defined, could warrant inclusion, though I'm not a big fan of the weeks. Have you done some research to see if it is the lowest? That would be a good record to mention, if in fact it is a record. Maybe bring it up on the talk page. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 00:28, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm just saying that for such a statistic, it might be a good idea to find out every other season. You can't guarantee that there is no other season that had less active days. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 14:38, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, that's cool about the WPAC seasons, though that would be difficult to verify, due to the nonsense between JMA and JTWC. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 14:39, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * If there is personal judgement, therein lies bias, which should be avoided at all cost. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 22:37, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Hurricane Andrew
Yea, I noticed that, though I never really felt like updating the Andrew article. I figured that once I did something to it, I'd have to finish it, and I wasn't up for doing that article. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Geologic Time of Hurricanes
Hehe, that's awesome! Of course, was there not a transitional era in the 3 years prior to the start of the Mitchian era? Hurricanehink ( talk ) 23:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Alright man, have a great time! I'll keep the hurricanes away from you and be sure to hold down the fort. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:44, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Heh, I guess my powers have finally been activated after all these years. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

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Gibbs was updated to 1974
Too busy with the amazingness, check it out -. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 00:23, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, it's just back to 1978; there's no 1977 or 75, only one image in 1976, though 1974 has quite a few images. I'm not sure why it's not working, tho. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:04, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * No.. :( Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:09, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, in case you didn't notice, there's no Typhoon Tip. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yea, I would really like to see the zoomed out image of it. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Here's a zoomed out image of Tip. Got it from Class archive. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 22:05, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Last Frontier
Wow, how long did it take to find that one? Seriously, I can't believe that. This one really looks like something. The first one, I'm not sure of, but it looks like you're pulling straws; if that was in the Atlantic, I don't think it would get too much interest (maybe an invest, but I doubt it would be classified). Hurricanehink ( talk ) 23:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * True, it isn't as inactive as it's led up to be, but I admit that I am a firm believer that little is impossible, especially in the weather world. We've only been monitoring the worldwide tropics for what, 40 years at most? Look what we've seen in that period; Unnamed Hurricane (1975), Typhoon Tip (1979), Epsilon, Vince, the 2005 AH season in general, Catarina, Ivan, Gonu, Monica, check out this "arctic hurricane", just to name a few. Heck, I really should make a We Didn't Start the Fire type song to show how crazy the weather has been since the start of satellite images. The weather has always been crazy, and there's been an eternity of crazy weather before we ever knew about it. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:36, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Heh, forgot about those! Yep, it's like ghost hunting for sure, only in recent times we have so much more technology to track them! BTW, I got the chorus for the song. "We didn't start the weather. It was always storming not just global warming." Hurricanehink ( talk ) 14:00, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * True.. Wow, congrats on the archive! I am most impressed with the Atlantic. Do you have satellite/radar for Doria 71, by chance? Don't forget to spread the love by uploading on Wikipedia, for those that aren't on here and are PD :) SHEM, eh, I'm not particularly fond of the basin, so it's your call. And I'm glad your vacations weren't affected. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:48, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Argh, alright. Just thought I'd ask. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 22:19, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Archive photos
Earlier you said that you finished your archive and have "every Eastern/Central Pacific storm 1979-present"... etc. If your archive happens to be in electronic form, why not upload them to the Wikimedia Commons? I'm currently writing full "summaries" for the 1987 Pacific hurricane season and having more satellite photos would help eliminate whitespace.

If your archive is not in electronic form or is not appropriate for the commoms, well then I guess you can disregard this message.

Also, congratulations on your archive. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 22:52, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Hall of Fame
Good afternoon Eric, yes I can't believe it's that time of year again. It's a wet day in South Jersey, and the fans are loving it. There are some disturbances out there, but it's those past disturbances, storms, and hurricanes that count today. Since the last voting day for the Hurricane Hall of Fame, we've seen several impressive storms, but all of the candidates are from well before my time. The first vote from Hurricanehink is the Great American Hurricane of 1821, also known as the 1821 Norfolk and Long Island Hurricane. There are several reasons; one of the worst storms on record (at the time) at Norfolk, a potential Cat. 5 at its North Carolina landfall, major hurricane at New Jersey landfall, and one of two whose eyes passed over New York City. The next vote is for Hurricane Eloise, as this enthusiast believes any storm that was retired should be in the hall.

The third vote was originally going to go to the 1925 Sarasota Hurricane; however, recent evidence from Hurdat suggests it may have never been a hurricane, which leaves it in a tough position to get in this year. Instead, the third vote is for Subtropical Storm One in 1978, which was the only known cyclone, tropical or subtropical, to form in the month of January. The fourth vote is for the Indianola Hurricane of 1875, in hope that it can be right next to its older brother.

And last, but not least, the fifth and final vote from Hurricanehink is for the Great Havana Hurricane of 1846. The citizens of South Jersey have enjoyed voting this year, and I can't wait to find out the results. Back to you in Atlanta, Eric. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Cuban Hurricane of 1932. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 22:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you Eric, and the names come out just as a new storm forms in the Atlantic. Will we get a surprise appearance for the induction ceremony from Chantal, or perhaps Dean? Time will tell, but what's most telling is the variety of storms we have seen. Though this participant wishes there was a greater global variety, it has still been another great year. Live from South Jersey, this has been Hurricanehink. We'll see you next year. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 04:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yea, I think the other basins should be honored! As you should well know, there are plenty of interesting storms outside of the Atlantic. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 22:28, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

(Sub)Tropical Storm - May 27-28, 1988?
Check it out. I was trying to find an image for Tropical Depression One in 1988, when I came across this, which looks like a well-organized unclassified storm just off of North Carolina. On May 26 a cold front extended across the western Atlantic Ocean. The next day, a circulation developed to the southeast of Charleston, South Carolina, with much of its convection sheared to the northeast; at the time, it might have still been frontal. Tracking to the northeast, by early the next day the center became more involved with the convection, though only based on interpolation from IR. By the time of the first visible image, it was just off of the Outer Banks of North Carolina, possibly extratropical or subtropical, based on the (presumably) cold air being entrained. Convection deepened, and three hours later it looked tropical, which is where I found the image. Unfortunately, there's no more Atlantic visible images after that due to an error. Nilfanion found this visible satellite image, meaning it must not have been very deep. Here's another, and here's a small one. Verdict? Probably an extratropical cyclone and maybe a subtropical cyclone that had some aspirations to do something. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 21:48, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Update - probably cold core. Check out this great image - . Hurricanehink ( talk ) 21:54, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yea, if it wasn't a subtropical storm, it was probably pretty close - maybe halfway between extratropical and subtropical. Darn these in-between storms! Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:00, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh yea! Didn't even notice that one. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:47, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

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