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 * I've asked the person that removed the image from the article to explain why they believe Scandrett Regional Park had an "excessive non-free files". I've asked you too. In Non-free content Policy 3.a. says "Minimal usage. Multiple items of non-free content are not used if one item can convey equivalent significant information." There is no more that one photo per person mentioned in the article. No photo exists with all the people in the photos. So there is no one item that can convey equivalent significant info. So I'm going to add the photo back to Scandrett Regional Park as you've suggested. E James Bowman (talk)

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 * I've asked the person that removed the image from the article to explain why they believe Scandrett Regional Park had an "excessive non-free files". I've asked you too. In Non-free content Policy 3.a. says "Minimal usage. Multiple items of non-free content are not used if one item can convey equivalent significant information." There is one photo of the building mentioned in the article. And the photo of the building does not contain the people mentioned in the article. So there is no one item that can convey equivalent significant info. So I'm going to add the photo back to Scandrett Regional Park as you've suggested. E James Bowman (talk)

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 * I've asked the person that removed the image from the article to explain why they believe Scandrett Regional Park had an "excessive non-free files". I've asked you too. In Non-free content Policy 3.a. says "Minimal usage. Multiple items of non-free content are not used if one item can convey equivalent significant information." There is no more that one photo per person mentioned in the article. No photo exists with all the people in the photos. So there is no one item that can convey equivalent significant info. So I'm going to add the photo back to Scandrett Regional Park as you've suggested. E James Bowman (talk)

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 * I've asked the person that removed the image from the article to explain why they believe Scandrett Regional Park had an "excessive non-free files". I've asked you too. In Non-free content Policy 3.a. says "Minimal usage. Multiple items of non-free content are not used if one item can convey equivalent significant information." There is no more that one photo per person mentioned in the article. No photo exists with all the people in the photos. So there is no one item that can convey equivalent significant info. So I'm going to add the photo back to Scandrett Regional Park as you've suggested. E James Bowman (talk)

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Park
Please note that that article is about the Scandrett Regional Park. It is not about multiple generations of people who used to own the land the Park is now located on. We definitely do not list all of their names, their years of life, the companies they ran, their children, etc. All of that is perfectly appropriate for a historical site (like on the location or on the Park's own website), but it does not appear to be relevant to the Park itself. Qwyrxian (talk) 09:12, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The history of the farm, buildings and family is one of the major reasons the park was established and is what helps make the park unique, as you can read in the referenced material. Other Wikipedia articles about historically significant New Zealand places explain the "names, their years of life, the companies they ran, their children, etc". Eg Linwood House, The Colonial Cottage Museum, Pah Homestead. The history is of significant local interest. Eg [Article A][Article B][Article C] E James Bowman (talk)
 * Well...we could include some more, but we can't include POV phrases, which your version had quite a lot of. In addition to being neutral, remember that we want to be an encyclopedia article, not the equivalent of the park's website. Let's try to discuss the details on the article's talk page; maybe I was being too strict and there is a legitimate compromise. But since we've got a third editor, it makes more sense for all of us to engage there. Qwyrxian (talk) 11:29, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Qwyrxian. I was about to post on the article's talk page when I noticed another editor had jumped in and completely decimated the article; deleting more referenced information, making it factually incorrect, non-sensical in parts and threatening to remove more. So I'm going to leave everyone to it for now.
 * I see that another editor has now joined and has re-added some historical info; the great thing about the new addition is that it is based on information from the New Zealand Herald, which is a source independent of the park, and thus more helpful for us. I hope this helps improve things from your perspective, and you're still welcome to comment further on the talk page. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:42, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Scandrett Regional Park
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 * Hi Wereith, thanks for the welcome. I told you earlier today here: User talk:Werieth that I had reviewed Conflict of interest (which covers what you've posted here) and Verifiability and I concluded you are unjustified in mass deleting my article. I explained that most of the information you deleted in the article was referenced third party historic information, with some information published by my family and provided to the Auckland Regional Authority in 2008. And that the article had been sent to, and reviewed by Michelle Edge, David Edge and Sue Hill of the Auckland Council. They have expressed no concern in any of the content I created, and have assisted me by providing further publicly published material that has now been incorporated into the article. I also told you that I reviewed Dispute resolution and that I don't believe you've followed the normal protocol here: "When you find a passage in an article that is biased or inaccurate, improve it if you can instead of just deleting it. For example, if an article appears biased, add balancing material or tweak the wording. Be sure to include citations for any material you add, or it may be removed. If you do not know how to fix a problem, post a note on the talk page asking for help. To help other editors understand the reasoning behind your edits, always explain your changes in the edit summary. If an edit is too complex to explain in the edit summary, or if the change is potentially contentious, add a section to the talk page that explains your rationale. Be prepared to justify your changes to other editors on the talk page." Based on that I undid your mass deletion of my article. I have since had further, more constructive input into the article and made two rounds of edits. Firstly removing information provided by my family that hadn't been re-published by the Auckland Council, and re-referenced that information to the Auckland Council. I also removed the listed info about the park (from the Auckland Council Website) that was considered inappropriate. I verified information in the article with a New Zealand Herald article on the park when I learned media was considered an appropriate Wikipedia source. Finally, I removed more third party, referenced information that wasn't considered appropriate to Wikipedia, although I had reviewed and provided examples of Wikipedia articles that set a precedence for the type of information contained in the article: Linwood House, Pah Homestead, The Colonial Cottage Museum. I have reviewed the links you have provided above, and can assure you that no personal bias exists in the content I have provided and edited. The article is not autobiographical. All the information is from independent, referenced sources. As some of those sources are complimentary about the Park and the Scandrett family, so I'll now do an edit pass to ensure neutral point of view. I welcome you improving any passage in the article that you believe is biased or inaccurate or not neutral. But, please stop breaking normal protocol and just deleting it. E James Bowman (talk)
 * The content you are adding is not appropriate, you where already told this. Do not re-add it. Werieth (talk) 12:13, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Please read it as it now stands and explain anything you believe is "not appropriate". E James Bowman (talk)
 * You have already violated WP:3RR and should be blocked, I am not going to file a request, if you stop re-adding it and actually try to discuss the issues. Right now you are displaying Ownership of the article which isn't allowed. Werieth (talk) 12:17, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The material you are adding does not belong in an article about the park. If the individuals are notable that should go into their own article, otherwise it should be left on the website for the park. Werieth (talk) 12:19, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Could we all stop reverting and actually discuss this on the article talk page, please? E James Bowmen, Werieth is technically right--if you revert again, you should be blocked for violating, WP:3RR, a bright line rule on edit warring. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:51, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

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 * Thanks Werieth, as you twice deleted this image (and the other four above) from Scandrett Regional Park and you and others have not yet consented to using the five images in that article, nor creating a biographical article, I'll have to let them be deleted as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. E James Bowman (talk)
 * BTW, I've added more source material to: Talk:Scandrett Regional Park to support the case to set up biographical article(s), the main one coming from here: [], a PDF from the National Historic Heritage Workshop 2004 run by Department of Conservation (New Zealand), New Zealand Historic Places Trust and Institution of Professional Engineers New Zealand. It contains links to two PDFs of the presentation [] and paper [] presented by Dave Pearson [], Conservation Architect, Auckland. E James Bowman (talk)

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Nomination of William Henry Skinner for deletion
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 * Thanks for letting me know Schwede. E James Bowman (talk) 21:06, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

August 2017
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 * Diannaa. The page states it has the following License: Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 New Zealand Licence meaning it is out of copyright. --E James Bowman (talk) 08:18, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the mistake. I have made some amendments to your citation so it's clearer and added attribution for the compatibly licensed material. It's okay to copy from compatibly licensed or public domain material, but you have to give attribution so that our readers are made aware that you copied the prose rather than wrote it yourself. I've added the attribution for this particular instance. Please make sure that you follow this legal requirement when copying from compatibly-licensed material in the future. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:01, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Diannaa. Thank you for doing that, and for the info.--E James Bowman (talk) 07:04, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

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