User talk:Eagles247/Archive 31

Page move request
Is it possible to move Craig Owens (entertainer) to Craig Owens (musician)? -- Chickensdoorknob (talk) 08:14, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You'll need to start a move discussion at the talk page. I don't know enough about the subject to know if he is primarily a musician.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  18:07, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Er
Hey, E. Your buddy the IP user is working his way through the 2011/2012 Pro Bowl selections, adding "er" to all of the Pro Bowl infobox honors. I know it's a small thing, but since you seem to be on board with the "Pro Bowl" vs. "professional bowler" distinction, could you have a little conversation with him? I'm now absolutely convinced that this is the same guy who, under several different IP addresses, has been fixated on the Pro Bowl and All-Pro infobox honors for over two years. His Wiki-OCD could be useful to WP:NFL, if we could get him on board with consensus formatting. He sure seems to have a lot of time on his handsmaybe we could channel his efforts. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:43, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I've left a warning on his talk page, and I doubt we can reason with someone who is as incoherent as he is. Let me know if you see more "Pro Bowler" edits from this IP.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  18:16, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Dude !!
You rock; that's one of his standard ... whatevs. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 01:30, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It just seemed odd to have a subheading for general comments not related to the Rlevse account. Thanks,  Eagles   24/7  (C)  01:41, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

"Template:Infobox NFL player" issue
E, for some unknown reason, the gray screen bars behind the "Personal Information," "Career History," and "Career NFL Statistics" sections of the infobox are not displaying properly. Apparently, this is only a problem for non-active players; the infoboxes of active players are properly displaying team colors on these section header bars. I can't find any recent edit history to the template to explain this display problem. I'm hoping you can resolve/explain the issue, given your template coding expertise. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:39, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notification, I've fixed it. This edit was the culprit.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  18:55, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Pro Bowler
Look I did not know that you would see it like that. It's not like I knew about it. I'm trying to help not trying to destroy anything but I figure or thought would be appropriate to put Pro Bowler instead of Pro Bowl but if that's the way you see it I guess I have to agree with you and your decision. I thought I was helping. All my editing is based on trying to help not to vandalize. But thanks for letting me know. 71.180.203.153 (talk) 22:54, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello
I'm 13 years old, and I don't get most of the stuff that goes on around Wikipedia. Brian Darkangel (talk) 03:12, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Would it be good if I joined, simple wikipedia first, then come back to Wikipedia in a few years or so? Brian Darkangel (talk) 03:54, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I've placed a welcome template on your talk page with some useful links. If you have any further questions about editing, feel free to ask.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  04:21, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Request
Sorry to bother you again, but can you move Alex Colomé to Alexander Colomé?--Yankees10 20:52, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅  Eagles   24/7  (C)  20:54, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks--Yankees10 20:55, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Chandler Hoffman
Hi there, Chandler Hoffman has been deleted a total of five times - including three in the past month. Worth SALTing? GiantSnowman 18:04, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I think he's going to be notable as soon as he plays in a match, so I'll hold off for now on SALTing.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  18:43, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, fair enough, though surely saying "he may be notable in the future" violates WP:CRYSTAL? GiantSnowman 23:51, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, but administrative actions do not fall under that policy. Congrats on the successful RfA, by the way.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  23:52, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I'll let the more experienced admin deal with this then ;) GiantSnowman 23:55, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

a minor statistic edit request
The Statistics were updated, but were missing some of the details http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tom_Brady#Edit_Request_for_.22Playoff.22_Statistics

Thanks for your time

24.147.30.7 (talk) 11:28, 5 February 2012 (UTC)SirWence
 * ✅ Have you considered creating an account?  Eagles   24/7  (C)  18:04, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

A few changes
To all users who think I'm trouble,

I have been thinking carefully and have come to a final conclusion as to why some other users seem to absolutely hate me and everything I do. These are a list of things I will try to do when I edit Wikipedia. From now on I will:

Not trust Wikipedia when I use it for my own purposes.

Continue editing it for as long as I shall live!

Ignore rude messages to me and report them.

Ignore users that call me names.

Continue fighting vandalism.

Accept all help whether I need it or not.

Ask for help from users that are helpful and polite.

Give help to users who ask for it.

Spend more time on editing Wikipedia instead of trying to persuade others that I don't mean to be mean.

Not give thank you messages to users who do not recieve them well.

Never edit another user's user page.

Continue being polite and competent.

I have sent you this because I think you might benefit from reading it. Androzaniamy (talk) 12:20, 5 February 2012 (UTC) Androzaniamy (talk) 12:20, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * "Continue being polite and competent"? When did you start?  Eagles   24/7  (C)  17:44, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Anne Triola image
Hi Eagles247, You have helped me out so many times, and I am grateful for this. However, I need your help one more time.

My favorite actress' picture is under attack. Her name is Anne Triola. The photo is a birthday present given to me by my Mother, but we bought the picture off ebay. I have noticed that several old publicity photos make it onto Wikipedia to promote movie stars from the past like Cary Grant, Vivien Leigh, Jane Darwell, etc. There are tons of examples - and yet they want to target my photo of Anne Triola to eliminate her from Wikipedia. Her photo is from 1945 and taken by RKO Studios Inc. However, Old Hollywood pictures that were produced between 1923-1967 are supposed to be good for use on Wikipedia. Notice Cary Grant's, Vivien Leigh's and many, many others! Please help me! Thanks, Eagles247. I figured I had better come to you before taking this up with those that want to delete her only photograph of Anne that is also connected with a biography - which I wrote. Thanks Eagles247. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rod hayes (talk • contribs) 22:02, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Rod. From what I can gather, you tagged the image with PD-US-no notice, which is the incorrect license since a copyright notice is clearly on the file. Note that it says on the license "This work is in the public domain because it was published in the United States between 1923 and 1977 inclusive, without a copyright notice." The articles you reference which have similar images are not copyrighted right now, as either there was no copyright notice or the copyright expired. Furthermore, this does not appear to be a simple headshot like the other images, as Ms. Triola as well as John Wayne are featured. The images was nominated for a further review, so if other users agree with you regarding the image's copyright, it will probably stay. If not, however, don't feel dejected as images, copyrights, and licensing have probably the most complicated policies on Wikipedia.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  22:19, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Well Eagles247, What I should have done is list her photo under the same selection file as Vivien Leigh's which is this...."This work is in the public domain because it was published in the United States between 1923 and 1963 and although there may or may not have been a copyright notice, the copyright was not renewed. Unless its author has been dead for the required period, it is copyrighted in the countries or areas that do not apply the rule of the shorter term for US works, such as Canada (50 pma), Mainland China (50 pma, not Hong Kong or Macao), Germany (70 pma), Mexico (100 pma), Switzerland (70 pma), and other countries with individual treaties".

How can I correct Anne Triola's photo to make it so? It has the wrong tag. That one is on me. I'd be so grateful if you'd help me one more time like you did with Chili Davis. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rod hayes (talk • contribs) 22:44, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, unless you know for sure that the copyright was not renewed, you cannot license the image under that tag. I'm not 100% certain this is the case after reviewing the details at File:Vivien Leigh still.jpg, but I will comment at the discussion page.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  22:52, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I have commented at the discussion.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  22:56, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Eagles247. You are great. If it falls through, I'll come back to you on things. I don't have good photos of Anne Triola. Her pictures are hard to come by. There is a real good shot of her online that has her photographed at Hollandia, Dutch New Guinea in the summer of 1944. I have far more important things to deal with like my job search. And I need to get busy in that regard. Anyway, I'll leave this thing alone for now - and give it a rest. Again, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rod hayes (talk • contribs) 23:15, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Back again. Eagles247, I see that the original RKO Studios was founded in 1929 and became defunct in 1959. This Anne Triola/John Wayne publicity still is by RKO Studios Inc. and was photograped in 1945. Vivien Leigh's photo is by MGM. I am just wondering how this plays into it all...? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rod hayes (talk • contribs) 23:45, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Rod, please log in.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  23:48, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * To answer your question, I'm not sure. Although RKO Studies is defunct, I'm fairly sure they can still hold copyrights.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  23:50, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Well Eagles247, I am planning ahead now to step two. In case they choose to delete Anne Triola's photo, that will be fine. Again, speaking about that photo I was in reference to about her being pictured in Hollandia. It's on a website, and its photographer, Jack Heyn, died 45 years ago. It seems that picture could be cropped and used. My sister-in-law, Virginia, thought it'd be ideal to give Anne Triola an image. Here is its link: http://www.ozatwar.com/bob05.jpg    Eagles247, see what you think of it. I wonder if I could insert that photo in the place of the John Wayne/Anne Triola picture once it's deleted...? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rod hayes (talk • contribs) 02:52, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If the image is copyrighted, it cannot be uploaded. The photographer would have needed to die over 70 years ago for it to be in the public domain. By the way, please remember to sign your posts with four tildes .  Eagles   24/7  (C)  03:04, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Eagles247,

I just wanted to thank you for helping me with my Anne Triola project. I talked with Jay8g, and it looks like I just need to contact RKO Studios Inc. which I will. I will email them and go from there. I think you were right in myself getting a little over the edge on this. Funny that this morning's sermon by pastor David Jeremiah is on "worry" of all topics. "Oh ye of little faith" was his key phrase. Oh, almost forgot to sign off with the ~s as you instructed. Rod hayes (talk) 15:32, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem, good luck with your images.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  18:23, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Template talk:WikiProject College football
Can you make this requested edit to this permanently protected template? I can't move ahead with this project until the template is edited. Thanks, cmadler (talk) 15:27, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅  Eagles   24/7  (C)  18:30, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! cmadler (talk) 19:23, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview
Dear Eagles247,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, were it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:
 * Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
 * Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
 * All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
 * All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
 * The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 05:50, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Anne Triola Image
Hey Eagles247,

I am attempting to call up RKO Studios Inc. to see about getting permission with the copyright in order to save the Anne Triola-John Wayne image. They told me this morning that I have to speak with a person named Dave. I am calling their office in New York. I guess I need have them email me their decision to show proof of the transaction. After that, I might need your help with the type of tagging that is required. We will see. There is only a two week window of opportunity when a photo is placed in discussion as is the case with my photograph. Anyway, I'll get word with you later. Rod hayes (talk) 16:05, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You can also review this for more information.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  18:32, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

OK, I called David at RKO Studios Inc. in New York. Things went fine. He gave me his email address, and I sent him a copy of the photograph and additional information. It sounds like they are going to help me. I will just sit and wait. I should get an email from them on the matter. Eagles247, I will tell you how things go from there. Philadelphia did very well this season taking 3-6 and 4-8 and turning that into a 8-8 season. I was so hopeful that they would turn it around. Next year, they'll be back to normal. They need to have a good start though. I still want them to draft Kellen Moore to give Michael Vick the best backup he could possibly have. Vick needs a good player in the bullpin just in case he gets knocked out of a game. Rod hayes (talk) 16:43, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I wouldn't say they did "well" this season. If the Jets had beat the Giants in week 16, the Eagles would have been the Super Bowl champs instead of the Giants. Next year will be better, but that's always the motto for ever team that doesn't win the Super Bowl. The best backup for Vick is Mike Kafka, and if the Eagles draft Moore, he'll be the third-stringer. I'm always optimistic though.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  18:32, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

OK, this and that. I contacted them. Dave Woodard is onto it. Finally, RKO Stu. Inc. forwarded my situation to Julie Heath of Warner Bros. So now, I have to give her a call. I have emailed her. Dave was very concerned about the matter. If you want, Eagles247, I can forward you his email he sent to me. It was interesting to say the least. I will get back with you any new results I find. Take care, Rod hayes (talk) 18:27, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If you think I'd appreciate it, you can forward me the e-mail via the "E-mail this user" function.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  18:32, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I have to figure out where that mechanism is. "E-mai this user"? Don't tell me, Eagles247. I will find it, but thanks though. And I will locate it. To update you more, Brian Anderson on RKO Studios Inc. emailed me and referred me to Julie Heath of Warner Bros. I have since called and emailed Julie. Now, it's just sit and wait. 

Warner Bros' sign-up listing for making clips and stills request internet address doesn't work, but Julie Heath's email address works just fine. I attached the Anne Triola photograph with that email and basically told her everything that I have shared with you and Jay8g. It'll be just a wait from now on I guess. I was only able to reach Julie's secretary, but I guess I have done all I can for now. Need to give it a rest. Man Eagles247, I witnessed first hand the greatness of Kellen Moore. He crushed my Georgia Bulldogs. Moore has got game! Vick's my favorite, and the Philadelphia Eagles are my favorite NFL team right now. -And about winning championships, just relax. I am also a Nebraska fan, and I can recall how they hadn't won a title in forever, and then it happened. It also came true for Auburn last year. Philly will get one very soon I believe. It will happen. Anyway, I'll get word with you later. Rod hayes (talk) 19:09, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I've removed the personal information you said above for your own sake. It's never a good idea to give out your planned location like that on the Internet. The only problem with Moore is that he's too short. He measured in at 5'11⅝" at the Senior Bowl, and teams are wary of drafting quarterbacks under 6' due to the difficulty of seeing over the offensive linemen. There are two starting QBs in the NFL right now that are exactly 6' (Vick and Drew Brees), but Moore is not considered by analysts to be as big of a playmaker as they are.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  19:15, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I wasn't thinking. You're right. Rod hayes (talk) 19:19, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Again, thanks Eagles247 for helping me with what I have been working on. I had to involve OTRS today per Jay8g's instructions. There may be a few more hurdles I have to leap over but for now, I can see a light at the end of the tunnel now. I am going to watch Downton Abbey now on Channel 8. It's an outstanding series on a family in Great Britain during World War I.  Take care of yourself. Rod Hayes (talk) 01:59, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Good job, now if you ever have to go through this again, you're experienced.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  02:09, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

User:X!/Tally
What are those users for? User:X! has retired and TP and I are working on getting the bots and toolserver under our control and get them going again. — cyberpower ( Talk to Me )( Contributions ) 00:56, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Those are untranscluded RfAs. SoxBot included all untranscluded and active RfAs in the tally. We get rid of untranscluded RfAs by new users who have absolutely no chance of succeeding and point them in the right direction. Users wouldn't have found your untranscluded RfA (and pointed you in the right direction) if it were not for that tally.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  01:01, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh. Too bad I am doing them manually since SoxBot is out.  I am desperately trying to get Cyberbot I ready which is to replace SoxBot. — cyberpower  ( Talk to Me )( Contributions ) 01:53, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

David Larson vandalism attack
E, I need some help at David Larson, former Olympic swimmer. After years of virtually no edits, the page is under attack by multiple IP users and at least two newly registered editors who appear to be the same person. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:38, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * BLP problems. After my revert citing BLP in the edit summary, it seems that they've got it.Jasper Deng (talk) 05:19, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I've semi-protected the page for four days. If the vandalism/BLP violations persist, please let me know.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  05:21, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

NFL retired

 * 1) Now changing afl parameters
 * 2) HOF seems to be uppercase in both infoboxes. Do you want them lowercase in both?
 * 3) highlights exists in both
 * 4) What do you think of me converting heightft and heighin in one parameter called "height"? -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:58, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If HOF is uppercase in both, you can leave it as is. I forgot to finish my thoughts on highlights, which should go under teams and pastteams. How would the height parameter work?  Eagles   24/7  (C)  20:00, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Height will be something like |height=3ft 4in which results in 3ft 4in. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:09, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it simplifies things the way it is right now. I have a feeling the hundreds of IPs that fiddle with the infoboxes will mess them up.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  20:15, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * all other infoboxes use height. Moreover, this makes the option flexible in the case someone add the height in metres. a bot can fix it back to feet. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:33, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * In nearly three years of having thousands of player articles on my watchlist, I have never once seen an editor add the height in meters. This is going to need consensus at WT:NFL.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  20:41, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * The,  , and   parameters should be included after the deathdate/place parameters. This will be done automatically when we rename Infobox NFL retired with Infobox NFL player
 * After these parameters should follow, any draft parameters, and the debut/final year/team parameters. This will be done automatically when we rename Infobox NFL retired with Infobox NFL player
 * The stat parameters (i.e. ) should have the numbers after the words. For example,  . This is the only problem left. We need to ask for that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:58, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the update.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  22:11, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

I fixed almost everything. death_place is place immediately after death_date. The problem I didn't solve is many articles that have the birth_place misplaced. I am sorry about that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:30, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm working on moving the birth_place parameter. Thanks for the help otherwise.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  02:58, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Stanford Routt
With regards to suitable references on Stanford Routt sorry if I have miss-interpreted the guidelines but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:USERGENERATED#Self-published_sources_.28online_and_paper.29 says..."Internet forum postings, or tweets—are largely not acceptable." Your ref is much better. cheersTheroadislong (talk) 20:01, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand where you're coming from, but I believe tweets from reliable persons (Adam Caplan here) are acceptable as references when other sources are not readily available. In this case, however, other sources published the information.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  20:05, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I did not inform you of the WQA because there was obviously no Wikiquette violation and it seemed it would be just a waste of your time.
 * While "rm copyvio" is fine for a first reversion, it would have been better if you used the article talk page to explain why you were reverting instead of biting the newbie.
 * Blocking the user is clearly not consistent with WP:UNINVOLVED -- please either unblock or request a block review on AN. Nobody Ent 21:43, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I felt I was only involved in reverting copyright violations, but if you insist, I will request a block review on AN. Mind you, the user has also stated she has a COI with the subject as his publicity assistant.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  21:57, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It would be better -- reverting copyrights violations is an editor, not an admin function. I'll leave a note on their page regarding the COI. Nobody Ent 22:04, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I've opened up WP:AN, and another user has already notified Nflfacts2k2 about Wikipedia's policy on COI.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  22:09, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Nobody Ent 22:18, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way, by the logic you suggest, if I revert vandalism I should not be able to block the vandal.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  22:19, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Hakeem Nicks
You DELETED my Photo of New York Giants Wide Receicer Hakeem Nicks!!!!

I took the Photo myself with my own Camera, Please put it BACK! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Howardform (talk • contribs) 02:51, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You need to have licensing information for the image to be kept. I will restore it, but you need to choose a license from this list.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  02:54, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

I dont know which license I am suppsoed to use. I took the photo myself and I release it into the public domain. I dont normally edit picture on Wikipedia so I am unfamilar with all the lingo. If you can help me, it would be helpful — Preceding unsigned comment added by Howardform (talk • contribs) 03:00, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I've added a license (PD-author) and some image information, and re-added the image to the article.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  03:07, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks FYI its NICKS not HICKS.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Howardform (talk • contribs) 03:09, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Heh, I must have been thinking of Artis Hicks.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  03:11, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Ah Just a jealous Eagles fan...I get it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Howardform (talk • contribs) 03:33, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep, whatever you wanna think.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  03:35, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar of Competence

 * I love it.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  04:05, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

bot
My bot started doing it. Do you want to do it with your bot? -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:43, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * My bot needs to be approved first, so by that time your bot will be done with the task.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  21:45, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * That's why I started it. Bot approval is really slow. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:47, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * This statement maybe erroneous but if your bot is going to replace SoxBot, then I would consider waiting because my code is nearly complete. If it's not replacing SoxBot, then disregard my statement.  Nevermind. — cyberpower  ( Talk to Me )( Contributions ) 21:57, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

My bot started doing the birth date/place separation. Do you want me to finish it? I'll still need your help to find leftovers if any. Your comment is needed in Bots/Requests_for_approval/EaglesBot. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:33, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Your bot isn't doing the birthdate/place separation correctly, just looking at the last few edits or so., , .  Eagles   24/7  (C)  19:47, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Infobox NFL retired look prettier than Infobox NFL player
Infobox NFL rerites uses Infobox, looks more alike the other infoboxes and looks prettier than Infobox NFL player. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:49, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Aesthetic changes would need other WP:NFL member input, I don't have a preference.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  21:52, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I've notified a few others of this thread.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  21:55, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League] -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:55, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, that's more helpful.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  21:58, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Saw your revert
I understand completely. Thought it would've helped. — cyberpower ( Talk to Me )( Contributions ) 23:02, 12 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for being on top of things, but I concur with Eagles. People can comment all the same and crats can add up numbers the old fashioned way, so no need to worry.  MBisanz  talk 23:33, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem but I must say keeping the tally reports and writing a complete replacement for SoxBot is a lot of work. I haven't been able to take much of a break from my computer since this morning.  I've been busy with getting SoxBot-->Cyberbot. — cyberpower  ( Talk to Me )( Contributions ) 23:59, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you; your effort is appreciated.  MBisanz  talk 02:56, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Infobox NFL player, etc.
E, as you've probably noticed, I've been working my way back through the consensus All-American biographies since we recently added All-American navboxes for every year from 1889 through 2011. I've been updating the infoboxes, conforming the infobox honors to the example formatting shown on the "Infobox NFL player" page, moving birthplaces from the lede to main body text, deleting trivia from the lede, rewriting the article text to include links to both the player's university and specific college football team, and adding basic reference footnotes as appropriate. I have several observations to share:

1. Many of the player infoboxes, perhaps 20 to 30% of the older player bios, use "Infobox gridiron football player," not "Infobox NFL player" or "Infobox NFL retired.  The majority of the pages for American college players that use the gridiron infobox were not CFL players, and its use seems to become more common the further back in time I go.  This appears to have been a choice by the original creators of these pages.  Another odd trend is the use of the CFL player infobox for American players who spent the majority of their pro careers in the NFL, and then the last season or two in the CFL (sometimes not even on an active CFL roster).

2. A sizable minority of infoboxes that were previously converted from "Infobox NFL retired" to "Infobox NFL player" were converted imperfectly. Many of the infoboxes do not properly display the career stats&mdash;while they are nominally "Infobox NFL player" templates, they are still using the old "Infobox NFL retired" field codes for stats (e.g. "stat1value," not the current "statvalue1").

3. There is a lot of garbage out there that has been added to the older, less patrolled player biography pages. We desperately need a system to monitor the older player pages for vandalism, non-conforming formatting, BLP issues, etc. My personal watchlist includes about 650 former Florida Gators athletes, including about 250 former Gator football players. I guesstimate that the weekly vandalism rate across all sports runs about 2 to 3%. That sounds like a small number at first blush, but it clearly adds up over the course of a year or more. I have also observed from personal experience that vandals usually give up and move on when they realize that their hijinks have been quickly reverted; once heavily vandalized pages become quiet when the vandals don't get to enjoy their work. I am also convinced that many would-be "vandals" are simply testing the Wikipedia "system" to see how quickly factually incorrect statements are noticed and corrected. I have found several instances where such "vandalism" has existed for three or four years without anyone reverting it.

4. There is also an amazing amount of cruft that has been added to these articles, including the proliferation of navboxes for non-notable team awards. There appear to be a number of WP editors who do not actually edit articles, but live to create navboxes for minor team awards (e.g. L.A. Rams rookie of the year, etc.). Recently, WP:CFB has begun to take baby steps to nominate some of these non-notable team and conference awards for TfD. WP:NFL is going to need to address this issue in the near future, too, or the navboxes for notable championships, awards and honors are going to be uselessly buried in cruft on many player pages.

5. As we discussed a couple of weeks ago, we still have a need for a new variant infobox for notable college football players who never played professional football and did not become coaches. There are a significant number of All-Americans, Heisman winners, and otherwise notable college players who did not become pros or coaches. I have not forgotten our discussion, and I have been keeping notes on potential infobox variations to be addressed as I have worked my way through the biographies of the consensus All-Americans. As of now, I am leaning toward a modified version of the "Infobox NFL player" template with some inappropriate fields stripped out (e.g. draft information, debut and final teams, etc.), and others potentially added or modified. Neither the NFL player or current college football player templates adequately address the needs of these notable former college athletes.

That's all I got. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:44, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Excellent feedback. I'll see what I can address after I'm done fiddling with stuff for my bot.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  00:48, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * on #2 right now. Should be completed hopefully by the end of the week.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  03:43, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Number 2 is basically done, as Yobot took care of the stat parameters.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  03:01, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that
Thanks for this. I missed that seeing as how it didn't affect the displayed text. Dpmuk (talk) 02:54, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem, good luck with your RfA.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  02:55, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Cheers. Expecting a bit of a rocky road but we shall see... Dpmuk (talk) 03:01, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

EaglesBot
I see you're making test runs with the new EaglesBot. I noticed on the Ty Detmer article that the bot made several of the intended infobox field additions, but did not add the "death_place" field. You may want to check that. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:48, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep, I still have a bunch of bugs to work out (list here and here, if you're curious).  Eagles   24/7  (C)  19:35, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Archive name glitch
Archive 30 - wrong year! Pam D  09:36, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks like Cyberpower678 has taken care of this, thanks for the keen eye.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  19:35, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Official seating capacity changes by IP user 12.139.96.248
E247, I've got a classic IP user problem. IP user User talk:12.139.96.248 is making wholesale changes to the official seating capacities of college basketball arenas and football stadiums. He is doing so despite attempts to engage him through edit summaries and user talk page discussion. Despite his IP status, this not a new editor. He has made hundreds of these edits under various IP addresses over the last year or more. His usual pattern is to make dozens of changes to team, facility and conference articles, with no edit summaries, and often citing web sources that do not specifically support the proposition for which he is citing them. I have reverted him twice on the Southeastern Conference and O'Connell Center articles, and even provided properly sourced footnotes that he deleted. I am done for now so I don't violate 3RR. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:17, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what action you would like me to take here. If s/he makes another factually incorrect edit unsupported by a reference (or the information is not in the reference), warn the user with  (error 2, etc.).  Eagles   24/7   (C)  19:40, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Regarding the O'Connell Center, I have used my 3rd RR piecemeal so that each piece of added information that was unsupported by a source was removed individually. My larger point, and my reason for darkening your talk page, is this same IP has an extensive history of sweeping edits to facility articles (and related team and conference articles), unsupported by reliable sources, in whole or in part.  This not the first time that I have witnessed one of this user's sprees; it seems to happen every several months.  In this particular case, the IP is citing a document that does not say what he wants it to say; the words "official capacity" do not appear.  Part of the issue with the O'Connell Center's capacity is that it is a multi-purpose facility and has different capacities depending on what kind of event that it is hosting.  According to the UF Associate Athletic Director for Communications ("SID"), as of today, the available-for-sale 2011-12 seating capacity for basketball games is actually 11,373.  He could not tell me what the 11,548 number represented.  The official capacity remains 12,000 for multiple other events.  As sure as we are having this conversation, the IP will revert these changes.  He is making similar unsourced or improperly sourced edits to other stadium and arena articles, and related team and conference pages in violation of WP:V and WP:RS.  This includes unsourced additions of architects, engineers, contractors and construction costs.  This is not a newbie, but a longtime IP who has been around long enough to know how to manipulate the system, who refuses to engage in discussion, ignores other sources, and reverts corrections.  I am asking for admin intervention to force him to engage in discussion with other editors.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:10, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, users are not required to discuss edits with other users, but it is surely helpful. Administrator intervention is only necessary if the IP breaks 3RR or continuously adds information without a proper source. You could threaten the IP with a block if he continues, but the IP has not broken policy yet.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  21:52, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello
Hey Eagles247, I'm confused by the NFL schedule that was released, I don't believe that it is correct. I thought the rule was that your team faces an intra-conference opponents (2 at home/2 away) that every 3 year when your team faces those teams again that they switch between home and away. I also thought that when your team faces inter-conference opponents that (2 at home/2 away) that every 4 years when those teams go at it again that they switch between home and away aswell. The reason I am looking for clarification is that the Last time the NFC South went up against the NFC East The Bucs were Home against the Cowboys and Giants and Away against the Eagles and Redskins, now those have switched however the last time the NFC South went up against the AFC West the Bucs were Away against the Broncos and Raiders and Home against the Chargers and Chiefs, those haven't switched and are the same for the 2012 season, why is that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by OneBucPerson (talk • contribs) 04:01, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You may find this helpful.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  04:04, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * But after reading this it makes me believe that my assumptions are correct, and that the Bucs should be Away at the Chargers and Chiefs and Home against the Raiders and Broncos. OneBucPerson 12:09, 18 February 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by OneBucPerson (talk • contribs)

Anne Triola photograph update
Hi Eagles 24/7, From the looks of it, it appears that we may have to delete the photograph of Anne Triola and John Wayne by the simple fact that Ms. Heath with the clip and stills licensing department no longer possess that photo as it is not in their archive, yet they have complete copyrights to the picture. However, she showed me a great photograph to replace the Triola/John Wayne photo with. She actually showed me three pictures in an email. The one that works would be a picture of her in the film "Sleep, My Love" which was an old black-and-white film from 1948. It's a great picture. However, the process is very expensive, so I will have to tell them to hold off.

I had a job interview yesterday for a fulltime special ed teacher position at a middle school. A friend interviewed me, but he told me that it would be one to two weeks before I would hear back. I need that job before I take a project like this where the price of the copyright licensing will easily run past $200.00. I'm just hurting financially at this time.

On the other hand, I did get in touch with Mr. Dunn who is connected with Jack Heyn. It's that very plain picture of Anne Triola in the South Pacific at Hollandia, Dutch New Guinea. It should be a lot cheaper. May be the best option for the time being. Thing is, I want to use that photo by Ms. Heath and Warner Bros. It would summarize her efforts with Hollywood. That picture epitomizes Triola during the black-and-white film era. Rod Hayes (talk) 13:08, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Remember, Rod, that you don't have to get a picture if you don't want to. Obviously I can't tell you how to handle your money, but if you're truly tight money-wise, you probably shouldn't buy off the copyrights to an image right now. Keep in mind there is no deadline.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  19:27, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Adding image(s)
Hey Eagles 24/7,

Hope you're doing OK. I found a much less expensive outfit to work with in bolstering my Anne Triola project. If I get this done and out of the way, then I can spend more time editing my college football subjects just as you do. I have a lot of pride in my Aaron Murray Wikipedia biography. Anyway, I got to emailing Peter Dunn from his www.ozatwar.com website. He was great. He and Jack Heyn are the copyright holders of the material on www.ozatwar.com. They have given me copyright permission to use their black and white photos of Anne Triola at Hollandia, Dutch New Guinea. I can work one of her photographs into her World War II section of her Wikipedia. What is the tag you use to show you've got copyright permission? I will try to work in a photograph of her's this way. I see with Vivien Leigh's Wikipedia biography, there are several photos used mixed inside her paragraphs of written content. My sister-in-law was showing me how to use this method of grabbing photos off the web as the only way I am familiar with is to upload the image. I know that Mr. Heyn has requested that I list the photo credit as such: Jack Heyn, Photographer, 3rd Bomb Group; And that I will do. Just wanting to see your take, thanks Rod Hayes (talk) 01:36, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You'll need to e-mail WP:OTRS (following the instructions here) to upload the image. A list of copyright tags is here.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  01:47, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Eagles 24/7. I need to print this out on the PC as I am on the laptop now. I appreciate your help. This should roll. Rod Hayes (talk) 01:50, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, I am going to read up on this first. I printed the info on those different tags and what-not. It's like you said, there is no deadline. I am filling out a lot of teacher applications to give myself a shot a new teacher job. As I said before, I have been filling in as a substitute teacher the last three months as this doesn't pay very much. If I didn't tell you last Wednesday, I had an interview at a middle school as a special ed teacher. Hopefully, that will be the ticket. It's a tough market right now for all of us in the field of education that have been affected by numerous layoffs the last couple of years. Rod Hayes (talk) 02:19, 21 February 2012 (UTC) You might want to remove the content for that previous revision as well. It also contains the IP. Calabe1992 02:24, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  02:27, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Adding Images
Hi Eagles 24/7. I am still at a loss with trying to determine how to fit another photo box (Image_is_needed_female.svg) into the article since the initial space for this to go within the Wiki box is obviously occupied. Do you just make a second photo option right beneath the first photo? If so, I will want to relocate it within the article afterwards. Just trying to sift through this. May not really attempt anything until tomorrow since I have to go in and substitute teach tomorrow. Rod Hayes (talk) 23:55, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * File:Image_is_needed_female.svg is only used when there are no images in the article. If you include an image, the filler image is no longer needed.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  00:00, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

I see what you mean about the WP:OTRS information that you wanted me to read. I have to really go over that. It looks like there are a series of steps to take. I have a lot to read. Rod Hayes (talk) 00:19, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

It appears I will need to send an email template to Peter Dunn and Jack Heyn of ozatwar.com so that they can place their names in the fill-in-the blanks. Then they can forward this to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org. It is a lot. Rod Hayes (talk) 00:30, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, but it's for legal purposes.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  00:31, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I understand. I meant that it is a lot for me to take in. I will make certain that I follow this the best I can. Hopefully I can figure out how to attach that template to an email accordingly. I am not staying up tonight. I appreciate your help. Rod Hayes (talk) 00:59, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Eagles 24/7. I have been reading and reading over the printouts of Wikipedia:File copyright tags/All, Commons:OTRS, and Commons:Email templates. I am starting to gain a greater sense of familiarity with this. Again, here is the subject in question with its URL: http://www.ozatwar.com/bob05.jpg. That same photo can also be looked up from this URL: http://www.ozatwar.com/heynfotos.htm. It looks like I should help Mr. Dunn and Mr. Heyn with choosing the best copyright tag. The tag "PD-author|name" appears to be the most logical choice that Mr. Jack Heyn could select. It also appears that the template that starts by stating "I hereby affirm that CHOOSE ONE: [I, (name here)..." It seems that this could easily be copied and pasted into an email to send to their email address. Just tell me what you think when you aren't so busy; thanks. Rod Hayes (talk) 14:43, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can just copy and paste the template in an e-mail.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  18:39, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

And another thing too. It looks like I will need to create some kind of account with Wikimedia Commons in order to upload images. In the past, I have uploaded images exclusively through the photo request picture that can be seen on many incomplete Wikipedia biographies. Rod Hayes (talk) 16:51, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia advises for the use of the copyright tag CC-BY-SA 3.0 as it is the simplest, because Wikipedia's text already uses that license. I still see PD-author|name as an option too. However, which one will best suit Mr. Heyn's needs and Wikipedia's at the same time? There is also a GNU Free Documentation License that appears to connect well with the CC-BY-SA 3.0. What can I make from all of this? Rod Hayes (talk) 17:06, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe it is up to the author to decide. If he wants his image to be in the public domain, use PD-author, but if he still wants to be attributed, use the CC-BY-SA 3.0 tag.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  18:39, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Now after reading over the copyright tags, my best guess for recommendation to Mr. Heyn and Mr. Dunn may be the CC-BY-SA 3.0. Creative Commons. Rod Hayes (talk) 18:42, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

I'll have to explain that just the way you worded it. Both the CC-BY-SA 3.0 and PD-author|name are good options. He needs to see both tag options. Rod Hayes (talk) 18:46, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

OK. So you can upload images off Wikipedia and Wikimedia. Eagles 24/7, which one is better to accomplish this task - or does that even matter? Here is the URL to uploading images off Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload

I guess that is what I'll resort to using when I hear back from World War II veteran Jack Heyn. I thought you grab the photo right off the internet's URL instead of uploading a saved image from your laptop or PC. Either way, it still lists a place where you can show the photo's original URL. I guess this is all trivial. I did send Mr. Heyn a couple of emails today, and the license template just wonderfully copied and pasted itself into the email just like the picture of it. Rod Hayes (talk) 03:02, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Commons is probably the best place to upload your image. To upload an image, you'll need to save it to your computer, but for the "source" listing, you should put down the original URL.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  03:06, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

I saved it again. It registers as 69.1 KB. I'm glad you said that about Commons. Is this the Commons uploading URL? http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&uploadformstyle=basic

Rod Hayes (talk) 03:22, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's it.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  03:33, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Eagles 24/7,

I got an email back from Mr. Jack Heyn. He said "I'm afraid this is all Greek to me." This is in reference to the permissions-commons template that I had copied and pasted. But Eagles 24/7, maybe I don't know all of the details as well. At the bottom of the form, it list the sender. It ask for the sender's name and details. Is that me? Am I the sender? If so, I need to correct it. The biggest task is explaining the different copyright licenses to Mr. Heyn. Rod Hayes (talk) 13:50, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Looking at it now, it just appears logical that he is the sender, that the information of him is far more important per say than myself as Jack Heyn is the photographer of the work. I'm sure he is the sender on the permissions copyright license form. Things should be OK then. Rod Hayes (talk) 16:26, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, Mr. Heyn would be the sender.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  18:38, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

All right. I uploaded it! Where do I tag it as "subst:OP"? Need your help!Rod Hayes (talk) 22:30, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I've cleaned up the image information.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  22:50, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Conversation with the kind photographer
Hi Eagles 24/7; I was able to discuss the permissions form with Mr. Heyn, but we kept running into obstacles. The wordpad document wouldn't open up for him. He couldn't get anywhere with the template saved inside an email. Now he wants me to go with snail mail. I need to become familiar with snail mail I guess. I did try one last time simply typing the permissions form inside an email word by word. He may prefer snail mail. This is a lot for me to learn. I'll have to read up on that if that is the case. Rod Hayes (talk) 17:25, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Snail mail is slang for regular mail. Well, can we go that route, Eagles 24/7. I guess we could. He could sign the form with his signature, then mail it to me. I upload it and send it to permissions-commons. Will that be acceptable? That should be allowed. Rod Hayes (talk) 17:29, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If regular mail is easiest for him to use, I recommend scanning in his letter once received and e-mailing OTRS the scanned letter (which is what I think you mean).  Eagles   24/7  (C)  18:43, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, guess what? It won't come to that, Eagles 24/7. Jack Heyn just emailed me back the letter that has every question answered - even the license tag which he selected the CC-BY-SA 3.0. He went ahead and took care of it all when my mind was filled with doubts. I'm too tired to begin working on this today - got up too early (5 am), but it looks like I can begin uploading the picture tomorrow on Commons Wikimedia. Is the tag CC-BY-SA 3.0 acceptable, Eagles 24/7? I feel pretty good about this. It's not a great photo, but beggars can't be choosers. It might not compete with Vivien Leigh's publicity stills for her Wikipedia, but it works just fine - and it's from a World War II veteran photographer which really adds story here! Rod Hayes (talk) 23:10, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * That's perfect then. Just upload the image to Commons and forward that e-mail to OTRS.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  23:13, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Eagles 24/7....  Here is where I need you the most. I am in the effort to make the photo and upload that. I have described it, listed its date, author, ect. What do I list by permission in this load up section of Commons Wikimedia upload? Rod Hayes (talk) 22:05, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

And how do I tag this as subst:OP to make OTRS aware using correct tagging process? Rod Hayes (talk) 22:07, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Add . If you have done so already and still get the "this template must be substituted" message, it's because you haven't saved the page yet. When you save the page, that message will go away.  Eagles   24/7   (C)  22:10, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Fortunately, that page just disrupted and disappeared. I can start over. So "subst:OP" goes in the slot where it says permission as I described? If not, what do I list for "permission"? Do I just state that Jack Heyn gave me permission or do I list the "subst:OP" there? Rod Hayes (talk) 22:15, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, just  goes under "permission."  Eagles   24/7   (C)  22:17, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, man. I appreciate this. I just listed a physical reason on permissions and followed that with the "subst:OP" so that I'd be right either way. I guess everything worked out. I'll keep my eye on this one for the upcoming weeks to make certain everything flows. Rod Hayes (talk) 23:05, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Re: Androzaniamy
Can I just get this straight in my head? Androzaniamy was blocked (harshly in my opinion - a point I and others expressed on her page) and comes off her block and leaves a whale on the blocking admin's page. An admin who specifically has a button to "trout" him on his page. She specifically states that she is "Making light of a bleak situation" and that she doesn't intend offence.

I've seen a hell of a lot worse from blocked users. I'm sure you have too. Blocking is a snub and when on the receiving end it's very difficult to accept. So when you used rollback on her edit in a space other than your own - you were effectively calling it vandalism - an intentional act of harming the encyclopedia (or am I missing something?) Combine that with coming to my page and labelling her as a problematic user and I'm astounded that you would assume bad faith so completely.

Now, I've got a lot of respect for you and I'm hoping this was just a blip at the end of your patience at the end of a long day. I've worked with editors like her before, and whilst many do end up being blocked, others go on to edit productively (until they burn out and disappear), so can I ask that you try to be a little more accepting in future? WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 10:11, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Let's start with the block, since you brought it up. Of the users to comment on her talk page after the block, I determine that five users agreed with, or at least did not contest, the block (discounting the blocking admin, the admin who declined her unblock request, and me). Three users openly disagreed with the block, including you and Dream Focus, who has ulterior motives for defending the user. Because of the block, Androzaniamy has now (hopefully) learned not refactor comments and the block has done its job. If not for it, Androzaniamy, despite the multiple warnings and ANI discussions regarding this behavior, would have continued to do so. (It is interesting to note that if your above message were on her talk page before the block, your use of "hell" would undoubtedly be censored.)
 * Do you find it appropriate to "whale" an admin who blocked you? I understand the "whale" and "trout" templates are intended for silly usage, but I find that to be one of the dumbest things one can possibly do right off a block, which is essentially antagonism. This is the second time Androzanaimy has "trouted" a user, with the first coming after that user boldly removed the adopting template from her userpage. I, too, have seen worse from users whose blocks have expired. However, this is exactly the kind of behavior (and lack of common sense) that led me to open two ANI discussions about this user.
 * This "whaling" is similar to another incident in this user's editing history. Last month, Androzaniamy left this barnstar on Calabe1992's talk page. For background, Androzaniamy has argued with Calabe1992 regarding policy in the past. The barnstar was clearly given in bad faith, as evidenced by the "(NOT!)" at the conclusion of the message. When confronted about why Androzaniamy did so, she claimed she had no idea what Calabe1992 was talking about, and that it was a genuine barnstar. This "whale," although including the "Making light of a bleak situation" heading, was, IMO, not intended to be given as such. Thus, I believe my using rollback in this instance is justified, although of course this is arguable.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  00:19, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Right, well, the block had a few issues with it. It was excessive at 2 days for a first block. She removed a word she was offended by on her own talk, as best she could. She would have done better to ask Pam to refactor or to remove the entire comment or even just not make a mess, but it's not like this was a big deal - she wasn't changing the meaning of the comment or hiding what she did (she signed the mess she left). I do however agree with you that hopefully she'll have learnt her lesson, as she shouldn't be refactoring comments with the judgement she's shown so far.
 * I most certainly don't find it appropriate to whale an admin who blocked me. I've never left a whale, trout or minnow, because I think it's disrespectful and as you say "silly". However, as admins, we're expected to have "thick skin" and I read the whale as "I don't think this block was fair and I'd like to express that in a light hearted way". It wasn't insulting, T. Canens accepts trouts, so again, mountain out of a molehill here.
 * The barnstar I am concerned about, that is clearly bad faith and not very impressive at all. I'll give her a little while longer for the block dust to settle and might poke her again about the adoption, see if I can explain why that's just not on. Having said that, if you've opened two ANIs about a single user, neither of which actually ended in sanctions, could you perhaps consider that you've reached a point that you cannot be fully objective about her, and it might be best if you focussed your attentions elsewhere?  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 11:55, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, and thank you for taking the time to reply, I appreciate it.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 12:00, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I had hoped that the multiple warnings and ANI discussions would have been enough to deter her from further refactoring comments, but it evidently wasn't enough. The block was effective. I really opened one ANI discussion, as the first one generated little response from other users. As for staying out of Androzaniamy's editing, there are several editors who have tried to get through to her on her talk page and who are completely frustrated by her behavior, so I'm not going to further pile on there. She has the right attitude in this comment, but we'll see how long that lasts.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  21:53, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's hoping. I did respond to her last comment, let me know if I said anything out of turn.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 10:56, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Back to square one.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  19:40, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Adminship
I have been considering requesting for admin, but I have to admit I need more experience and I was wondering is there training I can participate in? If not, What can I do raise my experience? I have been an editor for 5 years I joined in 2007, I personally feel like I should have more experience. Please contact me when you can. Thank you. Tj1224 (talk) 00:47, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The best advice I can give you right now is to keep editing. Don't worry about adminship right now, just focus on improving the encyclopedia and learning policies along the way. If, after a year or so of consistent, productive editing with at least 3,000 total edits, you decide you're ready to run for adminship, have at it.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  00:52, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I will take your advice Tj1224 (talk) 01:27, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe you should've mentioned that 3000 talk page edits is also not going to cut it, as right no he has 0 article contributions in 5 years of editing.--Atlan (talk) 09:31, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * That's a good point.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  18:24, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Talk Page Semi-Protection
Hey Eagles, would you mind semi-protecting my talk page for the next week? That is the second instance of vandalism today. Rather not go for a third. Thanks. :) -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 02:38, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅  Eagles   24/7  (C)  02:42, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks and thanks for the revision as well. :) Take Care... Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 02:48, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Talkpage changes
While I accept that you may be acting to protect users from 'spam' by new users, please remember that many wikipedia editors are capable of reverting messages from new users themselves, should they so wish, and that since the messages appear harmless, maybe some editors may be happy to have them on their page. Buckshot06 (talk) 03:00, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If you want to keep that trolling on your talk page, be my guest.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  03:02, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sure you're well aware that the lack of addition of new users to wikipedia is just about the biggest problem En:Wiki is facing, yes? We do not want to scare these people off, and as far as I'm concerned, it was not 'trolling' in any way, shape, or form. Even if you find it irritating, please, for the sake of the encyclopedia, consider not WP:Biting the newcomers. Buckshot06 (talk) 05:10, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Obvious troll is obvious.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  18:23, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not worried about the user diffs that you cite. Please consider *not* BITING! Buckshot06 (talk) 00:17, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll pass if this situation arises again.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  00:19, 3 March 2012 (UTC)