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ACE2015
Hi Ealdgyth. Now it's over, while we're waiting for the results I can now expand on some of the thoughts I expressed during the campaign. Whether you supported or opposed my candidacy is of course entirely up to you - important is that you participated in the process. I would just like to put two concerns of yours in perspective. 1) As far as I know there is no anti admin cabal, I have never said there was.if there is, it exist outside Wikipedia. I have always referred to an anti-admin 'brigade' and have constantly taken great care to mention that it is not a cohesive or organised group. It is a clearly identifiable archetype of editor who vehemently expresses extreme negative opinions about admins and does not refrain from making personal attacks, including lies in order to disparage them. They do not act in concert. 2) If one looks very closely, one will see that the questioners got the answers they deserve; there is no need to kowtow to them to get their vote. Whether or not I am offered a seat on the Committee is immaterial - I'm not sure I ever wanted to stand in the first place. If I am elected, I will concern myself with the day-to-day work of the Committee. If not, I will seek to bring about reforms of the electoral process, mainly focusing on the need for questions and voter guides to be at least objective and kept free of gender related and other socio-political barnstorming. I will be looking to you for support, and once again, thank you for taking part in this year's ACE. Regards, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:08, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not clear about the last bits of your message - did you think my voter's guide was less objective than others? I will admit, voter's guides are opinions, but I do strive to at least base my opinions on concrete examples or other information rather than just gut feelings. (If I'd gone on gut feelings, I'd have supported two candidates instead of the five I did (acutally, it was six, but Timtrent withdrew). Also - I'm not sure why you are going to be looking to me to support ... something. I generally don't involve myself too much in the whole backstage stuff on Wikipedia. ArbCom elections are just about the only time I stick my head out of my content shell. I'm certainly not going to commit to supporting something that isn't yet laid out as to the exact proposals/etc. I'd like to also point out that my guide is pretty much focused on suitability for arbcom - there are folks (like myself) who just aren't suited for the role but that doesn't mean they aren't great folks. An example - Rich Farmborough - he's a great editor, does much needed work around the wiki, and I'm sure is a fine person in person also. I opposed him not because I think he's "bad" but because I don't see him as suited for arbcom. I admired your refusing to answer the signnpost's rather badly worked out "survey" - and I have no problems with you championing causes (I happen to disagree that it's a problem, but that's probably my non-admin status speaking). My point on your answers wasn't that you needed to kowtow to the questioners - it was that your answers did not give me the impression that your temperament was suited for arbcom in my opinion. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:35, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Actually, my message didn't require a reply - I thanked everyone who wrote a guide. And as I said, I'm not in the slightest bit concerned whether I get elected or not, 'competitions' are not really my scene but this is the only way the  Arbcom can be perpetuated. At the end of the day the seats will all be filled anyway, and as someone once said, we get the committee we deserve, not the one we need. I voted for nine of the best of the bunch but in reality there is only one who I think is really suited for the task (and they are certain to be elected). And that's where a possible reform might help, and where those who write voter guides might like to support any future proposals for improvement of the system. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:29, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

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TPSs ...
Anyone have access to this article in the Journal of Ecclesiastical History? Ealdgyth - Talk 15:00, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Or this in Theatre Survey ? Ealdgyth - Talk 15:08, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * And in Nottingham Medieval Studies Ealdgyth - Talk 15:11, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Nottingham Medieval Studies or Northern History. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:19, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Regarding that last one, I'd recommend asking at WP:MERSEY and WP:GM, as I'd be shocked if the Manchester and Liverpool universities don't have access and there's bound to be someone there with an academic account. Boing! said Zebedee immediately springs to mind as someone who'll either have access himself, or know someone who does. I know any association with the NW England projects will immediately get you tainted as a cats-paw of the conspiracy, but given that I can see Peter Damian on your talkpage I'm sure you can cope with Jimbo's cronies lumping you in with the Toxic Personalities. &#8209; Iridescent 17:08, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I know someone who might have access to the Northern History article via Lancaster Uni, but he's been flooded out and can't get into campus - I'll ask him and get back to you. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:22, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I have emailed you the Northern and Nottingham articles. Any problems please advise. I can copy to Ecclesiastical one next time I go to the library but I don't know when that will be. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:10, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much, Dudley. They came through fine. And there isn't any great hurry ... the subjects of the articles will still be dead when I get back to them...

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An article I'd like to have
I'm aware that several people with access to various journals watch this page, so I thought I might ask here if anyone could email me this article. I'm currently waiting for a GA review on another article I was working on, so in the meantime I thought I might try to improve the Battle of the Winwaed article. (Much of it is unsourced.) Thanks. Biblio worm  00:33, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * If anyone sends it to Biblioworm, I'd not turn it down either... Ealdgyth - Talk 02:20, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you send me an email? Ealdgyth, you have some. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:29, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I sent the email. Biblio  worm  16:30, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Today's featured article/December 19, 2015
Hi Ealdgyth. User:Corinne did this TFA summary of a Featured Article you nominated at WP:FAC (and a bang-up job, too). You can use the page history to get a diff comparing it to the lead section of the article; how does it look? - Dank (push to talk) 02:15, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

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Two bishops named Humbert
Bishops Hunberght and Humbertus have the same name and both are Humberht in PASE. I think their titles should reflect the fact that they have the same name. Any opinion? Srnec (talk)
 * Well, Hunberght is Hunberht in the Handbook of British Chronology (3rd ed). Humbertus is also Hunberht in the HBC - just to make things more fun. Probably go with "bishop of XXX" as a disambig? Ealdgyth - Talk 21:20, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

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Richard Basset
Hi Ealdgyth, sorry I reverted your edits on Richard Basset but your actions were unreasonable on the following counts:-


 * To contain long paragraphs is bad writing and breaking them up is good re wikis style guide. It is standard to list the issue in biographies as a bullet list. Your reversion of this seems malicious; why are you are not undoing the bullet lists on all of the other biographies?
 * References can be inaccurate. Having two increases the verifability of something. It is pointless removing any above the count of one.
 * Just because a book is relatively old doesn't mean it is not a useful source of information. Some of the most comprehensive county histories are 200+ years old. Yes they contain mistakes (as do new books) but they often contain references to hard to access latin documents which are invaluable to someone that really wants to research. Can you provide proof of the accuracy of the more recent refs on the page?

You would have more time on your hands to actually write stuff if you didn't change everything that isn't done precisely the way you want it. Wiki's main problem is lack of content and lack of references. You would better use your time by adding to wiki, rather than endlessly editing. Sliven2000 (talk) 18:45, 4 January 2016 (UTC)


 * This should be discussed (minus the last sentence which quite honestly is utterly uncalled for) on the article talk page, where I already started a discussion. Kindly strike the last sentence as a comment on the editor and not the content. Ealdgyth - Talk 18:49, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Every other day
You'll go mad! Best of luck, but whoooah! Myself, more and more, I concentrate on improving poor but highly-viewed existing articles, which as you know are legion, at a fairly gentle pace. The Take the lead! January contest seems a good idea too. Johnbod (talk) 03:14, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I have a huge list of redlinks that need filling in - partly missing articles from the DNB and partly things I've redlinked along the way. I'll keep working on improving other articles too - but there are still a large number of missing articles in the medieval area. I've got Harold Godwinson, Thomas Becket, and a few other articles on my radar for this year ... but there is a lot of reading involved with those. It's fun to dig and find out stuff about notable but obscure folks too. I'm also working on some themes - John's evil counselors, Becket's clerks, Becket's murderers, and maybe Companions of William I of England. We'll see. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:16, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Talk page stalkers...
Can anyone see a worthy DYK in Halenald de Bidun? I'm utterly failing at this one... Ealdgyth - Talk 21:40, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Well...not really. Not at all, actually... Biblio  worm  23:14, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, normally I can find something but ... not this time. Oh, well. Ealdgyth - Talk 00:04, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Becoming a monk? Odd children's names? Johnbod (talk) 11:16, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, just how many of the Norman invaders were in fact Bretons? - I have no idea of course, but it struck me as a curious anomaly. You could do an ill to, btw; there isn't much to link to at Vildé-Bidon. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 14:15, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, his dates make it clear he didn't participate in the Conquest... he lived into Henry II's reign. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:18, 7 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Go for the quirky slot: *DYK... that no one is certain if the second wife of Halenald de Bidun was his second wife?   Montanabw (talk)  16:18, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Nice idea. Except, no doubt, some people are indeed certain. --Dweller (talk) 16:21, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

He's just a very very boring guy. Guess he'll live without a DYK! Ealdgyth - Talk 16:48, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Did you know that Halenald de Bidun was such a minor character in history that a bunch of experienced Wikipedians couldn't even meet the rather low bar for finding a decent DYK hook about him? --Dweller (talk) 16:51, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Good one! Biblio  worm  17:03, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * How about "Halenald de Bidun died a monk at St Andrews Priory, despite marrying twice and having at least seven children?" Hchc2009 (talk) 16:54, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * And also a complicated one. I just couldn't follow that paragraph about his wives and all his children. Biblio  worm  17:03, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Halenald probably felt similarly...! Hchc2009 (talk) 17:09, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I know I did. It's not much fun when authorities differ on things...and then you have to explain how and why they do. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:26, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

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