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PHG's Response to Jean Richard 453/440 English
Response by PHG: original French quote: "Mais les attaques menees par Baibars a un rythme tres soutenu (...) ont rallié les Occidentaux a cette alliance, a laquelle les Mongols ont su convaincre les Byzantins d'adherer egalement" (p.453). Any problem with this? PHG (talk) 11:52, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to Jean Richard 468/455-6 English
Response by PHG: Please understand that I don't have the English version, so my translation may slightly differ from the translation of the English original, to which I am of course ready to switch to. French original: "Quand Ghazan fut debarasse de celui-ci [Nauruz] (Mars 1297), il reprit ses projets contre l'Egypte (...): la cooperation franco-mongole avait donc survecu, et a la perte d'Acre par les Francs, et a la conversion des Mongols de Perse a l'Islam. Elle devait rester l'une des donnees politiques des Croisades jusqu'au traite de paix avec les Mameluks, qui ne fut conclu qu'en 1322 par le khan Abu Said" (p.468). Any problem with this? PHG (talk) 11:52, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to Jean Richard 469/456 English
Response by PHG: French original: "L'alliance franco-mongole n'a pas eu a affronter ces difficultes (...) Ainsi parait-elle avoir été riche en occasions manquées." My translation is actually closer to the original French, although maybe not idiomatic. Any problem with this? PHG (talk) 11:54, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to Reuven Amitai-Preiss 54
Response by PHG: this is easily visible on Google Books: PHG (talk) 05:49, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to Alain Demurger 147
Original French quote: "Cette expedition avait surtout l'avantage de manifester l'union des Francs de Chypre et de sceller, par un acte concret, l'alliance mongole", in Jacques de Molay, p.147 ("L'Ile de Rouad" chapter) PHG (talk) 11:21, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to Alain Demurger 145
French original: this is a paragraph title in the French edition: "La strategie de l'alliance mongole en action" (p.145) PHG (talk) 11:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to Alain Demurger Back Cover
Back cover of the French edition: "De Chypre, où les Chrétiens d'Orient se sont repliés, il [Jacques de Molay] anime alors la lutte pour la reconquete de Jerusalem, en s'appuyant sur une alliance avec les Mongols." PHG (talk) 11:26, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to Jonathan Riley-Smith 136
Any issue with this? PHG (talk) 05:51, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to Peter Jackson Full Chapter
Response by PHG. Here is what I claim exactly: "Peter Jackson in The Mongols and the West entitles a whole chapter "An ally against Islam: the Mongols in the Near East" and describes all the viscicitudes and the actual limited results of the Mongol alliance." I think it is true. Jackson does qualify the Mongols as allies of the Christians (title), but, as I wrote, he insist on the failure and limited results of these allies. Should we reword differently? PHG (talk) 12:01, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to Amin Maalouf 261 243 English Edition
Response by PHG: Original French (Please understand that I don't have the English version, so my translation may slightly differ from the translation of the English original, to which I am of course ready to switch to): "Les Armeniens, en la personne de leur roi Hetoum, prennent fait et cause pour les Mongols, ainsi que le prince Bohemond d'Antioche, son gendre. En revanche, les Franj d'Acre adoptent une position de neutralite plutot favorable aux Musulmans." (p.261) PHG (talk) 11:32, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to Amin Maalouf 265 247 English Edition
Response by PHG: fine with the full quote. Original French: "Apres avoir pris Alep debut octobre 1260, et repousse sans difficulte une contre-offensive d'Houlagou, les Mamluks envisagent d'organiser des raids punitifs contre Bohemond d'Antioche et Hetoum d'Armenie, principaux alliés des Mongols". Any problem with this? PHG (talk) 11:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to Amin Maalouf 267/249 English edition
Response by PHG: fine with the full quote. Original French: "Des 1261 il [Baibars] envisage d'organiser une expedition punitive contre les terres du Prince Bohemond et du roi d'Armenie Hetoum. Mais ils se heurte aux Tatars. Si Houlagu n'est plus en mesure d'envahir la Syrie, il dispose encore en Perse de forces suffisantes pour empecher le chatiment de ses allies." (p.267) Any problem with that? PHG (talk) 11:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to Amin Maalouf 253 English edition
Response by PHG. Original French quote: "Ces moines-chevaliers [les Hospitaliers] ont pris fait et cause pour les Mongols, allant meme a combattre a leurs cotés lors d'une nouvelle tentative d'invasion en 1281." Any problem with that? PHG (talk) 11:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to Sylvia Schein 811
Any issue with this? PHG (talk) 05:53, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to E. L. Skip Knox pg 5
Response by PHG. Skip Knox is apparently a teacher at Boise State University who published his lectures online. Any issues with that? PHG (talk) 12:06, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to E. L. Skip Knox pg 8
Response by PHG. Skip Knox is apparently a teacher at Boise State University who published his lectures online. I don't claim anymore than what is being said here. Any issues with that? PHG (talk) 12:06, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to René Grousset 521
Response by PHG: original French: "Louis IX et l'alliance Mongole" (p.521) "Il s'agissait pour le general mongol de preparer une collaboration militaire Franco-Mongole" (p.523). PHG (talk) 05:23, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to René Grousset 653
Response by PHG: original French: "Seul des princes de l'Occident aussi, Edouard comprit la valeur de l'alliance mongole" (p.653) PHG (talk) 05:23, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to René Grousset 301
Response by PHG: original French was I think "Edouard renoua la precieuse alliance mongole". I don't have the book with me right now, but I could have it within a few days. PHG (talk) 06:13, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to Reuven Amitai-Preiss 50-65
Response by PHG: the excerpt is easily visible on Google Books PHG (talk) 05:55, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to Dr. Martin Sicker 116
Response by PHG: the excerpt is visible on Google books. PHG (talk) 05:11, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Response by PHG. The excerpt is visible on Google books. PHG (talk) 05:11, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to Jean-Paul Roux 437
Response by PHG: French original: "L'Occident (...) se sentit reconforte apres avoir craint que l'alliance mongole ne cessat avec la conversion des khans a l'islam. Pourtant, cette alliance ne pouvait guere cesser. Les Mamelouks, par leurs actions militaires repetees, devenaient un danger assez pressant pour contraindre l'Iran a maintenir des relations avec l'Europe", Roux, p.437. PHG (talk) 05:15, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to Claude Mutafian 55
Response by PHG: original French: "Le roi armenien decide de jouer l'alliance mongole, une intelligence qui fait defaut aux barons latins, sauf a Antioche" (p. 55) "Collaboration Franco-Mongole" (p.55)

PHG's Response to Zoé Oldenbourg 620
Response by PHG: I confirm the existence of this sentence. PHG (talk) 05:57, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to Jonathan Riley-Smith 114
Response by PHG: I confirm the existence of this text. I can send you a scan if you wish. PHG (talk) 05:57, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to Laurent Dailliez 306-307
Response by PHG: French original: "Les Tartares, apres avoir enleve Damas et plusieurs places importantes aux Turcs, apres avoir ete mis en deroute a Tiberiade par le Sultan d'Egypte en 1260, s'allierent aux Templiers. Jacques de Molay, dans sa lettre au roi d'Angleterre, dit qu'il a ete oblige de signer un traite semblable pour lutter contre les musulmans, "notre enemi commun"." (p.306-307) PHG (talk) 05:45, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to Christopher Tyerman 816
Response by PHG. I confirm this text, which you will see as soon as you receive your book. PHG (talk) 05:58, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to Claude Lebedel
Response by PHG: original French: "Ils [les Barons francs] se refuserent a toute alliance avec les Mongols contre l'Islam, sauf le roi d'Armenie et le prince d'Antioche et comte de Tripoli Bohemond VI" (p.75)

PHG's Response to Emmanuel Berl
Response by PHG. Excerpt visible on Google books : "Le rapprochement Franco-Mongol".

PHG's Response to Encyclopedia Britannica: A Dictionary of Arts, Sciences, Literature
Excerpt visible on Google Books PHG (talk) 05:45, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to Jean-Pierre Mahé 76
Response by PHG: French original: "C'est pourquoi ils [les Mongols] s'allient a certains Etats croises et aux Armeniens de Cilicie" (p.76). I can send you a scan should you wish so. PHG (talk) 05:45, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

PHG's Response to Patrick Huchet
Response by PHG: original French: "Jacques de Molay, maitre elu en 1292, s'associe d'ailleurs aux Mongols pour mener des operations militaires sur l'ilot de Ruad (pres de Tortose)" (p.96) PHG (talk) 05:45, 23 February 2008 (UTC)