User talk:Earl Andrew/Archives 4


 * /Archives 1 November 30, 2003 - November 29, 2004
 * /Archives 2 November 29, 2004 - November 28, 2005
 * /Archives 3 November 28, 2005 - November 27, 2006

Critic Portfolios
I noticed there was an option in the infoboxes to include portfolios would that be smart for Critic Positions in Shadow Cabinets?--Jack Cox 06:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I am including Parliamentary secretary as an important job just like a cabinet minister but not like at the same level you know of the cabinet= I would guess, I think that Parliamentary Secretary is usually listed when you watch CPAC. But, I'm also looking to fix out of date or bad images of MP's.--Jack Cox 06:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

RfC on Abu Badali
Hi, I see that you have had trouble with User:Abu badali recently, you're welcome to comment about the user at his RfC. Dionyseus 10:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Arrogance
I've interacted with you a few times in the past, and you always struck me as reasonable and thorough. Unlike many users who are just looking to argue, you seem knowledgeable about Wikipedia policy and interested in what's best for the Wiki. So it hurt when you called me arrogant. I've been called much worse by other users, but it didn't mean as much, since I don't really care what they think.

Do you really think me unduly arrogant? Do you think my behavior is driving people away from Wikipedia? I'd really like to know. All the best, – Quadell (talk) (random) 22:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, I felt your comments were indeed arrogant. This is because I don't think you see the full scope of what is happening. People leave Wikipedia for reasons. While they leave on their own free will, they are motivated by certain factors.


 * Unfortunately, your actions have been driving people away from Wikipedia. This is why it is important that we come to a solution for the betterment of the project. Please, let's see where eachother is coming from so we can stop the exodus.


 * Thanks, -- Earl Andrew - talk 23:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * What actions do you mean, specifically? Are you referring only to my saying that people leave of their own accord, or is it something else? – Quadell (talk) (random) 12:51, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The whole way in which the culling fair use images have been implemented has been detrimental to the project. People are annoyed, and are leaving, and it is discouraging newer Wikipedians. Had this policy been active since Wikipedia's beginning, I wouldn't have had a problem with it, but because it has been implemented now, we are running into severe problems. -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:31, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

CanElec templates
Is there general agreement to include a +/- column? I removed these from my pages some time ago, thinking they had fallen into disuse. CJCurrie 04:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I just found it too annoying to use, given the problems with redistributed ridings. There was just too much blank space.  CJCurrie 04:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Can I ask what titles? I might have access to them at library, as well.  CJCurrie 04:35, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

List of cities in Canada
I have a suggestion...maybe at the top of each province's subsection, we should provide a brief description of that province's criteria for city status. I've occasionally considered initiating a "City status in Canada" article, similar to the one that already exists for City status in the United Kingdom, but I think it would probably be better to just give brief summaries within the list itself. Any chance I could talk you into helping out with that, since I don't know all the relevant statistics? Bearcat 02:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Canadian ridings infobox
There definitely needs to be a municipal-subdivision addition to the infobox template, but I don't think I understand the "if" parameters, either. Maybe just listing it as "Municipalities/Neighbourhoods" for now? FUNgus guy 22:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Block log
Hello!

I have been warned by another administrator (User:Khoikhoi) for posting this comment. User:Irpen has also posted a notice on Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents. As you are one of the users mentioned in my comment I would value your input into this matter.

I appreciate the fact that you are a serious and valuable contributor to Wikipedia. I will take any positive suggestions from you on how I can improve my contributions to Wikipedia to heart.

Sincerely, --Oden 12:36, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Image:Hamiltoncoa.jpg Copyright
Thanks for uploading the picture of the Hamilton, Ontario Coat of Arms. I am concerned that the file may be removed due to a lack of clarity on the Copyright status. Do you have any information about this image? Alan.ca 01:46, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I really appreciate that you address the image issues with the Hamilton, Ontario article by providing an open licensed coat of arms and flag. I'm trying to improve the quality of that article, if you have an interest in helping further, please leave me a message on user_talk:Alan.ca. Alan.ca 06:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Image:Bonfohabbas.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:Bonfohabbas.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:


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Mergers
Hey Earl, I figured that we should get others in on our discussion, so I've moved it to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Electoral_districts_in_Canada. I agree that we should have a policy about it to be consistent. Regards, Ground Zero | t 20:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikilogos
I've noticed you're very involved here, you might be interested in my proposal for Wikipedia use logo variations created by members of the wiki community to mark national and international awareness days, Remembrance Days, notable anniversaries, and observance days. Please comment on Village_pump_(proposals) and on my talk page. Thanks! FrummerThanThou 05:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks...
...for adding the extra lines in some curling medal tables. Seems like I totally forgot about them. Cheers, SportsAddicted | discuss  00:47, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * If you can find the motivation you might like to add the match by match results for the B Divisions as well. I saw you also merged some of the articles, good job. I'm sure we will meet somewhere on Wikipedia more often :) SportsAddicted | discuss  00:54, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think you should have removed the internal links to national curling teams. Unless they are not created yet that could and should be done in the future in my opinion. SportsAddicted | discuss  13:06, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, well that would be mainly the same. I know curling works with teams and one team can miss out on a tournament one year and be back the year after, but they're still national teams. However, I'm planning to create these pages for the Dutch national team and in these articles there is the possibility to name the variation in the teams representing the country year by year. SportsAddicted | discuss  18:35, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know, but I would say why not? For me personally I am too addicted to all kind of sports and I can not focus on one sport in particular. But if you are totally into one sport I think a project like that might work. I'm sure there will be more people interested in joining you. SportsAddicted | discuss  22:09, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh I do and I check several WikiSportProjects around. When you're creating a Curling project I will definately add it to my watch list and help out every now and then. SportsAddicted | discuss  03:18, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

More replaceable fair-use images

 * Image:Donnacansfield.jpg

&mdash; Chowbok  ☠  01:58, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

more...
--Abu Badali 00:06, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Image:Nancykaretaklindell.jpg
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 * Image:Reginaldbalcock.jpg

Image:Alberta1907.gif
I made an SVG replacement, which is under the CC and GFDL licenses. Can I delete this? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:33, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

BC elections 1952 and 1953
I seem to recall you were in the Wiki Elections project last time around and noted your name in the history on the 1952 election; I just posted a response to someone's copyvio ticket and was hoping for backup/corroboration, or at least somebody who could work the fact template so as to put in quotation marks and cite the explanation of the elimination ballot as gleaned from the Elections BC webpages (which are not, to my knowledge, copyrighted). Is the Elections project started up again, BTW?Skookum1 08:58, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

SVG
Do you still use that curling image for your signature? It has been superseded by an SVG, so you may wish to update your signature. 68.39.174.238 21:08, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Untagged image
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Notice
NOTICE IS GIVEN THAT the scope of WikiProject Ottawa is being debated. Your input is requested. Thank you. GreenJoe 20:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Meetup
I already saw it on the project page ;) I'll see what I can do to be there. --Deenoe 23:04, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll do my best! ;) --Deenoe 01:53, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * SHIT... Seems its the weekend right before my three exams in a row... I'll see if I can make a brief appearance.. but it doesnt look too good so far.. --Deenoe 01:56, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh no I don't blame you on the date-picking. Like you said, you can't please everyone.. I know alot about that.. being a born organisor myself ;) But I'll certainly try to pass by a few minutes (perhaps when I'll bring back my book overdue @ OPL). --Deenoe 02:10, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

HoC
Hi, I like your House of Commons page! Rich Farmbrough, 20:29 11 January 2007 (GMT).
 * Google. I found a mirror of it, and some other strange off-wiki stuff. Rich Farmbrough, 09:38 12  January 2007 (GMT).

Hayes Corners, Ontario
I have prodded Hayes Corners, Ontario because the links are dead; which seems to defeat the purpose of a disambiguation page. Rintrah 13:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Quebec referendum maps
I want to create a map of the Quebec referendum of 1995. Do you know how I could get hold of a suitable outline map of the Quebec ridings of that time (the ones used in the 1994 and 1998 provincial elections) ? Awnisbet1 16:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

The Quebec Elections website doesn't have a province-wide map of the 1995 electoral boundaries. Could you locate yours? Your maps are excellent. Awnisbet1 12:19, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Ottawa meetup, January 20, 2007
Don't know if you're in Ottawa, but judging from your edits, you probably are, so just letting you know... -- Earl Andrew - talk 20:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hello Earl Andrew. Thanks for the invitation to the Bridgehead meetup. It was a tempting invitation, but I went skiing instead.  Please let me know if the Ottawa-area people meet again.  Thanks!  Que-Can 22:28, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Image:Iqaluitflag.gif
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Orphaned fair use image (Image:Hockeyczechrepublic.PNG)
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Problem with Image:Wikimeetup.PNG
Earl, you may want to revise the license for Image:Wikimeetup.PNG. Unfortunatelly, you can't release it to the public domains, as it contains the Wikipedia logo, which is copyrighted to the Wikimedia Foundation. And if you're not the author of the other image used in the composition, you should check it's licensing conditions to make sure both images can really be combined (if the other image is cc-by, for instance, I believe we can't combine it with the logo). Best regards, --Abu Badali 17:30, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

wikimeetup image
As you can clearly see, the date has past so I don't see why this is of my concern at all. -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:36, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Do you mean the image is no longer needed? --Abu Badali 17:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I was planning on using it the next time January 20th, 2007 rolls around :-p -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:39, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * So, don't you agree it's better idea to solve the problem as soon as possible? --Abu Badali 17:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh yes, this is the most pressing concern I can think of at the moment. -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:44, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow, great. Let me know if I can be of any help. Best regards, --Abu Badali 17:51, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hummm! I misssed the January 20th, 2007 joke... I thought you were going to use it next year... so, is the image really no longer necessary? --Abu Badali 17:53, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't imagine why. -- Earl Andrew - talk 03:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * In this case, don't you think you should delete this image? To save you some work, here's the link to detele Image:Wikimeetup.PNG. Best regards, --Abu badali (talk) 21:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Earl, do you still need any help? Have I misunderstood you when I concluded you agree with this image's deletion? --Abu badali (talk) 05:26, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Please stop bothering me about this, we have come to an agreement. -- Earl Andrew - talk 05:54, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry to bother you but I confess I'm really confused. I've re-read the above conversation and I'm still not sure if you agree or not with the deletion of this image. I must concede that your replies where not exactly direct to the point. I'm sorry so much talk is being spent in such a minnor problem. To avoid extending this conversation any longer, I ask you directly:
 * Q: Earl Andrew, do you agree with the deltion of Image:Hockeyczechrepublic.PNG Image:Wikimeetup.PNG, that you uploaded?
 * If so, please, as an admin, delete it yourself.
 * If not, please explain why you disagree with the concerns explained above.
 * Best regards, --Abu badali (talk) 06:03, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't agree one way or the other. I don't care at this point about images. -- Earl Andrew - talk 06:09, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the stright-to-the-point reply. I'll be nominating the image for deletion. --Abu badali (talk) 06:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Just did it. Earl, I also noted the other image used in the composition is Image:Parliament-Ottawa.jpg, which is double licensed GFDL and CC-BY-SA-2.5, both licenses also incompatible with your PD-self claim. Please, consider being more careful next time. It's actually a hard taks to create a copyright violation by composing images on commons, and it's unfortunate that it happened. But I understand you did it in your best intentions. Best regards, --Abu badali (talk) 06:27, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Image:Durmsi.PNG
Did you intend the tag on Image:Durmsi.PNG to be ? --Iamunknown 20:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

List of mayors
Hi, It seems that you are systematically removing external links for internal links even if they don't exist. Is there a Wikipedia rule that I missed? ClaudeSB 19:59, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Not sure, but I'd prefer them to be redlinks so that articles on them can be created. -- Earl Andrew - talk 20:01, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * This would mean that since there is some information on some external link, people should create stubs with the external link or is there another way?

ClaudeSB 20:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the rapid reply. As I have time, i will go thru the list and crate stubs with external links as you suggest.  This brings my next question: There are now 3 pages dealing with "Michel Tremblay", the playwright, the past Rimouski Mayor and the current Varennes Mayor.  How about creating a disambiguation page?
 * ClaudeSB 20:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'm not sure how famous the playright is, but if he is far and above more famous than the others, then the dab page will go at Michel Tremblay (disambiguation). I don't know if you'd like to do this, or if you're asking me to do so. -- Earl Andrew - talk 22:42, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Michel Tremblay is quite famous in Quebec. His plays are in fact in the highschool curiculum if I am not mistaken.  I was just asking if it was OK and  since it seems it is, I will do it.

ClaudeSB 01:00, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Children of the Prime Ministers of Canada
Hi Earl Andrew,

Not sure if you noticed but Children of the Prime Ministers of Canada is up for deletion. I think your list is worthy of being in Wikipedia. Alas, it looks like it will be deleted. Sigh, sometimes I wonder why I bother contributing here when good articles like this one will be deleted but all the articles in Category:Lists of fictional characters by series are worthy. --YUL89YYZ 22:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry I just noticed that you voted. This AfD is bugging me. --YUL89YYZ 22:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I created the List of Children of the Presidents of the United States and now the delete club is trying to get rid of it as they are trying to get rid of the one you created. They aren't singling out Canadian lists, they hate President lists too.  I try to merge them when they get deleted.  You may want to save your info just in case it gets deleted.  Right now the Canadian list of children is looking safer than the U.S. one which is tied.  I voted to keep both (obviously).  Jjmillerhistorian 14:15, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I've weighed in with a vote - also put a keep item in the AfD for List of Children of the Presidents of the United States. Let's hope this helps keep the articles.
 * Meanwhile, thanks for your work on the recent Ottawa WikiMeet, although it looks like a challenge to get the crowds out. Not much work lately on chasing birth/name info due to current priorities, although I did get into some dob resolution on the Diane Tell article recently. Dl2000 03:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

SimonP on A-Channel tommorrow
In case, you're not aware, A-Channel will have a news report about Wikipedia on their news bulletin tommorrow and it will feature SimonP. Cheers!--JForget 04:02, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

List of the largest metropolitan areas in the Americas
Why do you keep changing Tri-Cities to Johnson City? I live in Johnson City, and there is not half a million people here. The Tri-Cities metro area, which includes Kingsport, Bristol, and Johnson City, may have that many. But why keep changing it with no explanation?24.158.102.32 22:09, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Townships in Ontario - defunct or otherwise
Hi. I've noticed that you've changed the name of some articles I've written about defunct Ontario townships from Placename to Placename Township. No problem, I'll name any new articles I create accordingly. However, I am a little confused about naming conventions. I used "Placename" because it seems that most current place articles go by just that, without the added "Township." Should some of these be changed to include township as well? Thanks. Blotto adrift 19:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Origin of Electoral District Maps
Hi. I am very impressed by the very detailed maps attributed to you in various parts of wikipedia. Especially the one in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_general_election%2C_2003. I'm working on a few projects of my own regarding Ontario provincial elections and I was wondering if you could give me some advice on how you created these images? Specifically I am taking a look at creating imagemaps of this information. Please leave me a note at my user talk page at user_talk:Azih. Thanks much

Revisiting Category:Official photographs of Canadian politicians
Hi, Earl Andrew. I'm back in cleaning up Category:Official photographs of Canadian politicians, to leave home for eventual free images. You may want to check the following images you uploaded and that I tagged as violating WP:FUC #1 (the repleceabillity criteria). In general, they are all mugshots of living politicians, but if you think some of them isn't replaceable for some reason, please, use the Replaceable fair use disputed tag and the corresponding image talk page to explain your views.


 * Image:Rickcasson.JPG
 * Image:Richardmarceau.jpg
 * Image:Raymondsimard.jpg
 * Image:Raynaldblais.jpg
 * Image:Reginaldbelair.jpg
 * Image:Raymondbonin.jpg
 * Image:Rahimjaffer.jpg
 * Image:Odinadesrochers.jpg
 * Image:Navdeepbains.jpg
 * Image:Nathancullen.jpg
 * Image:Michelgauthier.jpg
 * Image:Meilifaille.jpg
 * Image:Mervtweed.jpg
 * Image:Maryannevchambers.jpg
 * Image:Massimopacetti.jpg
 * Image:Lynnmyers.jpg
 * Image:Lynneyelich.jpg
 * Image:Luciennerobillard.jpg
 * Image:Louisethibault.jpg
 * Image:Mariolaframboise.jpg
 * Image:Marclemay.jpg
 * Image:Lorneedmundnystrom.jpg

Best regards, --Abu badali (talk) 17:44, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Arbitration re: Abu badali
Hi. I am writing you because you were one of the respondants on the RfC about Abu badali that was started back in November. There has been no substantive comment there for over a month and User:Abu badali has never bothered to respond to the RfC. The last comment on the talk page of the RfC was a suggestion to take it to arbitration, which is what I propose we do. Accordingly, I have created a shell/draft listing to add to the list of Arbitration Committee matters here. I've listed your new there, preliminarily, as a complaintant. If you are not interested in participating, please remove your name. If you are, please add your comments as we must prepare a 500 word summary of the case. Thanks for your attention - Jord 15:32, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Olympics WikiProject membership update
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AfD nomination of Baird Judson
An article that you have been involved in editing, Baird Judson, has been listed by me for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Baird Judson. Thank you. - Richfife 03:36, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Alert
I hadn't seen that before. How does it work and how do you identify which "Dissemination Blocks" are which? it says that 6204003303 has 5 people but how can you tell it's Alert? I'm interested in seeing where the 21 people in Kitikmeot, Unorganized are and then I can update it like Baffin, Unorganized. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk)
 * Ah, too bad. I was hoping for a link to a page with the Dissemination Blocks, their numbers and a name. I guess if I wan't to figure out the Kitikmeot one I'll just have to go with trial and error. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 04:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey!
Remember me? Mattlore 07:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, good I guess - funny to stumble upon you here 06:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

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Real life
I believe we have a class together, Canadian Political Parties - I keep seeing your name on the attendance list. Crazy to recognize someone from WP! --Padraic 01:07, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use images I tagged a while ago
Earl Andrew, you may remember a while ago when I gave you notice that I tagged a few replaceable images you uploaded for speedy deletion. I was thinking and, it may not mean anything to you, but I'm sorry I did that. I probably should not have tagged them for speedy deletion since you uploaded in 2005. I don't mean to say that I think the images should have continued being used, but I think I should have notified you of a formal IFD. Because IFD is a centralized page, people would have been able to easily comment on whether or not they thought the images should be deleted. I am now beginning to think that, because of the opportunity for centralized discussion, this process is more appropriate to consider older images. I hope you will accept my apology. --Iamunknown 01:15, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Your maps
Once again, I'd like to compliment you on your election-result maps. They look great.

The last thing I want to do is discourage you. However, I do recommend that in the future you consider cutting down on the number of colours. I would recommend that you use no more than two colours for each party. Another idea, if you're really set on using four colours for each party, might be to use shades of red, blue and yellow rather than mess with teal or anything like that.

You might want to look at the map in today's National Post of the election results. It's very simple, using black, grey and white for the three parties. But the message is very clear as soon as you look at it. Your maps are far more attractive but take some staring at to gather what they're trying to say. There's a give-and-take between clarity and the amount of information provided. Considering the great amount of detail available in the text, it might be worthwhile to move a bit toward the side of simplicity.

But it's your call -- you're the one whose put forth the effort to make the maps, so you get to decide how they look. -- Mwalcoff 23:38, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, it's up to you; newspapers would generally favour clarity over faithfulness to party colours, but you're not working for a newspaper. -- Mwalcoff 01:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Curling Howwood
How comes Howwood is marked as Greenacres in the senior curling championships? Is Greenacres a club in Howwood? Simply south 13:14, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * OK. Thats cleared things up. Right now i have readded where Howwood's current article location is. The reason for this is there are 2 Howwoods (or exceedingly close) in the UK. Simply south 18:13, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Image:Paultheodorehellyer.jpg
Hey, do you think we could reupload your image using this picture instead of the current one? http://www.luogocomune.net/site/modules/911/911/0-Intro/patriots/Paul%20Hellyer2.jpeg

Wikimedia Canadian chapter
Not sure if you're interested, but we are working on legally incorporating a Canadian Wikimedia chapter. Most of the discussion is happening on the mailing list - it would be nice to have someone as prolific as you involved. --Padraic 13:30, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Bob Murray (ice hockey)
Thanks for merging the 'Bob Murrays' pages. GoodDay 20:17, 25 April 2007 (UTC) :You forgot to 'merge' or 'move' the talk-page. GoodDay 20:24, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Cumberland County
What was the point of adding all the space to the Cumberland County, Nova Scotia page? Psyklek 02:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I've been trying to come up with other solutions, but nothing's worked yet. Does your edit fix the problem? Psyklek 03:13, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Like I said, I'll fix it to be proportional (Percents instead of specific sizes). Should be changed by the end of the month. Psyklek 03:31, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Pat Ryan
I think you are confusing more developed article with more notable person. I think the dab should be on the unambiguated page. I think your decision to revert my page move was an emotional one. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 22:55, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I just put Pat Ryan in google and the executive came first. In fact, aside from the contested wikipedia address, the curler is not on the first page of the google search. He is a world champion in a minor sport the executive founded a fortune 500 company as well as serves as Chairman of the Chicago 2016 Olympic bid committee.  I think you should move your page back to the curler page and restore the dab where I had it. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 15:32, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The point is that proper protocol when neither dominates the other is to have the unambiguated page hold the dab like I had set it. Your guy is not so popular in comparison to the executive as to warrant him being viewed as the primary Pat Ryan.  Please move him back to the curler location. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 17:11, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Presidential names
Hi, could you add some input at Articles for deletion/List of United States Presidential names It looks like they are at it again. Jjmillerhistorian 10:55, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Ice Hockey Project discussion of hockey player notability and project scope
Please come join the WikiProject Ice Hockey Notability standards for hockey players discussion. I'd like to see input from all our project members who have an opinion. Thanks! ColtsScore 00:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

PEI election map
feel free to edit this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PEI2007.GIF once the results are in. Pellaken 23:08, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Removal of fair use warnings
Any particular reason you keep removing missing fair use rationale warnings from your userpage, ala and the like? Do you intend on supplying the fair use rationales? Please note that if you do not, the images may be deleted. For assistance, you might wish to review Fair use rationale guideline. All the best, --Durin 19:41, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I realize I'm breaking a few rules by removing them, but there's just so many! For most of them, I do not intend on making any changes out of protest. -- Earl Andrew - talk 19:44, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * They're likely to be deleted then. --Durin 19:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No kidding! I don't have time to look after all of them, there's just too many at one time! -- Earl Andrew - talk 19:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

about blocking User:Yan guien
Hello, honestly if I were an admin, I would have blocked that user indefinitely as a vandalism only account, as many other admins seem to do for similar behaviour, but it's up to your discretion. Thanks for your help. -- Kyok o  05:41, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Probably a good idea - it's almost certainly a sock of User:Jagjagjagjab, who seems to be the puppetmaster of a number of socks who constantly blank Quebec (check out the history for more in the last few days). Tony Fox (arf!) 05:47, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * We'll see if he comes back again. -- Earl Andrew - talk 05:48, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Brandon West
This is odd:. I wonder if there could be an error in the official totals. CJCurrie 03:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Never mind. The original CBC write-through had Smith as the winner, but I see they've already corrected it.  CJCurrie 03:34, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Sens in the Finals
Oh yeah good luck with your Sens in the finals, it should be a good series. I really have absolutely no idea who I'd rather cheer for, both teams have many reasons why I want them to win, haha. I'll just probably watch and start cheering for whoever is behind in the series, cuz I'm used to rooting for a loser, har har har. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 16:53, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Whoa whoa whoa, I am NOT backing down on the Sundin-Alfredsson comparison, although Sundin is getting older and Alfredsson happens to be in his prime... I have a hated respect for Alfredsson, I loved his fake-throwing the stick jab at Sundin from a while back, but I hated his goldie-locks hair and his cheap shot on Tucker way back when in one of those playoff series that the Leafs won. If I cheer for the Sens, its not cause they are the Sens, it'd be for one of a few reasons A) 14 years without the Cup in Canada is way too long, the Americans don't deserve the Cup, B) The sens have a lot of likeable players (almost everybody excluding Alfredsson), or C) This whole "Win it for Elgin" sentiment has a lot of emotion behind it.... however they are just as many, if not more reasons to cheer for the Ducks, so I'm really split. And no problem on the whole Finals article thing, I think a problem that has sprung up in the Project over the last few weeks is that it has suddenly become way too authoritative. Cheers, less than 48 hours til Game #1. Croat Canuck  Go Leafs Go 05:09, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Har har har, I'm glad I could be of service... even though I did start cheering for the Ducks, in all honesty I wanted Alfredsson to win the Conn Smythe... 14 goals is spectacular and almost single-handedly kept his team in the game for at least a couple of periods.... Ah shucks, that means Sens fans can't wipe their Cup rings in us Leaf fans' faces, whatashame. Croat Canuck  Go Leafs Go 16:44, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

List of the largest metropolitan areas in the Americas
You keep reverting my edits to include the San Diego-Tijuana metro. area article as a link in the List of the largest metropolitan areas in the Americas. Every time you revery you never include a reason and this is vandalism, if you continue to revert edits without a reasonable reason why then i will be forced to report you for continues vandalism.

Cooljuno411 06:54, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * There are other articles about metropolitan areas that are listed on that sheet and adding the individual city and the metro article next to in doesn't cause any visual flow harm and should be allowed.


 * And what does "POV" mean...


 * Well i just added some other metro areas for other countries. And you can feel free to do the same thing as well.

Bethesda, Ontario
I have added a "" template to the article Bethesda, Ontario, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached.  Trumpetband  18:34, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * You removed the prod because you disagree, so I sent it to AfD -- Trumpetband  19:04, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Pat Binns & Robert Ghiz
Hello Earl, I've fixed your recent edits to these articles. Though Ghiz's Liberals have defeated Binns' PCs, Ghiz won't be assuming the Premiership for about another 2-weeks. Therefore until Ghiz actually takes office, Binns is still Premier (Ghiz is Premier-Designate). Just letting you know. GoodDay 23:19, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem, PS- Should we wait until the MLA-elects & MLA-reelects are sworn in, before we update the old & new Districts? I'd say yes (earlier, I accidently ended Dunn's & others MLA terms prematurely). GoodDay 23:26, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. GoodDay 23:34, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * WOW, some anon-user gave me a verbal earful (on his Edit Summary), at Tignish-Palmer Road. GoodDay 00:25, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Tignish-Palmer Road
I've fixed the MLA list on this page & re-created Tignish-DeBlois. PS- do you know how to handle an unruly determined anon editor (at Tignish-Palmer Road article)? GoodDay 17:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Now, a registered user is claiming Tignish-DeBlois & Tignish-Palmer Road are the exact same. Is this happening on the other districts? Their (the agruing editors) method would call for, MLAs being listed from 1st Prince (1968-96) and the MLAs before that. This (the fighting) is getting tiresome. GoodDay 21:43, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The borders are similar. A merge is best, I think there's going to be more editors (in future) who'll argue for (example: Tignish-Palmer Road = Tignish-DeBlois) it. Plus, a few sq kms' changes, isn't worth the hassle. GoodDay 22:12, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:Hatman.PNG listed for deletion
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AFD notification
Please see Articles for deletion/Jenn Hanna. Yechiel Man 04:09, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I've withdrawn the AfD but I do have concerns about some of your edits to curling articles, essentially there is a lot of unsourced / unverified and unencyclopedic information in most if not all of the articles I've seen. I also wonder if you have a conflict of interest with some of the people and organisations you have written about?  Dei z  talk 04:28, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I notice you reverted the unsourced and apparently non-notable information about club happenings and redlinked people without comment. Could you explain why any of this is notable, and your connection with the OCC?  Dei z  talk 06:56, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but no. The various leagues, cash league standings, past champions, past presidents and redlinked members all strike me as a long way short of encyclopedic, not to mention being unsourced. Presumably this is all on the club website which can be accessed via the external link. Given the statement on your userpage that you are a member of the club, there appears to be a clear conflict of interest here.  Dei z  talk 07:35, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

We all write about what we're interested in, but COI is there for a good reason. Given the conflict and lack of sources, let's go back to the streamlined version and you can add information as and when you find reliable sources to verify it as encyclopedic.  Dei z  talk 08:35, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I also have questions about the appropriateness of some of the information in the Ottawa Curling Club article. If you could join us at the talk page to discuss, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Satori Son 14:38, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed, and also about general issues of sourcing and appropriateness of style for curling material you've added. At WP:COI/N I mentioned the example of Jenn Hanna.
 * In the final, Hanna's team played well, and led for most of the game, and were looking like they were going to win it. In the tenth end, Hanna's team was up by two but did not have the hammer. Hanna's team had a rock on the button that was already well guarded, and decided to throw another guard rather than take away Jones' only chance at scoring, an in-off. Jones managed to make the extremely difficult shot, coming in-off of a Ontario stone just in front of the house, to take out Hanna's shot rock to score four and win the Scott".
 * This'd be fine for a radio sports report, but here it's unencylopedic style and, even rephrased, would need sourcing. Gordonofcartoon 17:20, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Moshe Lewis
Hi Earl: I noticed on the David Lewis (politician) page you credit his father's Anglicized name as "Morris". If it were Anglicized it would be "Moses", not "Morris" as stated in Pierre G. Normandin's book. I'd like to delete the Anglicization of his name in that article.--Abebenjoe 04:29, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, unfortnately, even if it appears in a book, it can be wrong. In the comprehensive biography of the Lewis family, Unfinished Journey, Moshe was never referred to as Morris. I think Mr. Normandin made a mistake. As well, being Jewish myself, I know that his name would most likely not be Anglicized to Morris, if it ever was Anglicized.  Even Moshe is an Anglicization, because his name in Yiddish was actually pronounced more like "Maishe" (the spelling that Cameron Smith would use throughout the book).  Don't take this personally Earl, but Morris is obviously wrong, but I like that you've added another reference to the article though.--Abebenjoe 04:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Cheers.--Abebenjoe 04:58, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Russell Cunningham
Hi Earl:

Why move Russell Cunningham (Canadian politician), the first Nova Scotia CCF leader of the Official Opposition, from Nova Scotia politician to Canadian policitican? He wasn't much of a player on the national scene, unlike his predicessor, Donald MacDonald (Nova Scotia). I'm going to revert your change on Donald, because that form was agreed upon by me and the other person who wrote it. But I still want to know your rationale for changing Cunningham before I think about reverting your change.--Abebenjoe 19:00, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, well I'll have to move poor Donald MacDonald again, for the upteenth time. Oh well, we'll get his naming covention correct at some point (you really don't know how frustrating it is have two guys with basically the exact name, being involved in the same party at about the same time. Even in biographies, biographers and historians mix up Donald from NS and Donald from ON all the time, ascribing things done to the other and vice versa. Really makes it complicated to present good information here and in other places. Donald ON is still around, but really doesn't want another person contiuously interviewing him... he'd rather go canvass for an NDP candidate, even at age 93!--Abebenjoe 20:09, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * P.S., me and the other writer of the Donald MacDonald article came up with just Nova Scotia, because I was coming from the political side and he was writing about the labour side MacDonald's career. We came to the mutual agreement that Nova Scotia was more neutral than my suggestion of Nova Scotia politician.  Since he was both a politician, and the highest ranking labour leader in the country, what other neutral names can you come up with, i.e. can we just use place of origin instead of type of job?--Abebenjoe 20:13, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Anaheim Ducks
Thanks for keeping a 'watch' on those editors, who keep adding the wrong name in the 'birth place' part of Current Roster sections. Particularly editors like me (Holy smokes, I'm so embarrassed). Anyway, you're correct it was Newfoundland before 2001. GoodDay 20:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

CBC's Seven Wonders of Canada
The article that you protected is not official. It was put together by one single network and is not deemed official, hence that is the reason why I thought it should be CBC's Seven Wonders of Canada and not, simply the Seven Wonders of Canada. I wouldn't mind if the vote was called the Seven Wonders of Canada, but I truly would like to see it separated fairly. That is all I would like for this article and I would leave it alone as soon as it is changed, I would simply like it to be an accurate article. Thanks. - kevinbocking

This is not a plausible argument. The program would obviously not be "CBC's Seven Wonders of Canada", as it would not make sense. The list is only the CBC's list and should be noted somewhere in the title. This is not a government, nor a national list, it is simply a television program that they made to get more viewers. In terms of the "made up titles" you are speaking of, unless CBC owns this website (which I highly doubt) then it would not be a made up title. I agree with you though that you should call programs by their names as shown on the particular network or show, except that this particular article is not ABOUT a show, it is only showing the list that was produced meagerly by the three judges. - kevinbocking

Really? If you don't mind, can you tell me where the "policy" says that a list from a show (not THE show) shouldn't indicate where it is from, and that it isn't an official thing. I would understand if it is a specifically government list, but unfortunately it seems to not be. Please help me understand your "point". - kevinbocking

Yeah so I guess this is why Wikipedia isn't as good as it should be because of self-righteous people like Scorpion and yourself. -kevinbocking

It is not made up, it is not the name of the program, because that is not what the article is about, if you want to make it specifically about the show, then be my guest. The article is about the list, it should be named CBC's Seven Wonders of Canada instead of Seven Wonders of Canada, since it is not official.

Tim Uppal
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Jo-Anne Dusel
A "" template has been added to the article Jo-Anne Dusel, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Jeepday (talk) 13:08, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I see you took the prod off of Jo-Anne Dusel, but you did not address the issues of lack of references and notability. The article is not likely to survive an WP:AfD in it's current condition. Do you intend to make improvements to the article in the near future? Jeepday (talk) 13:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Problem
I think there's a glitch in your program, you tagged an image I uploaded with a  tag as having no source. I think that tag makes it clear who the source is. -- Earl Andrew - talk 09:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It wasn't a bot doing it, and Thanks for pointing that out, tagging reverted I hope!, BTW you might want to include an image summary on future uploads so that other imagees don't get mistagged by mistake :) ShakespeareFan00 09:50, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Upload to Commons?
Hello, Earl Andrew. The photo you uploaded at Image:Fifau20ottawa.JPG is very nice. Couldn't you upload it to Commons, seeing you licensed it as PD? Just a suggestion ;)  Parutakupiu  talk 20:06, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Tim Uppal
Glad to see Tim Uppal survive the delete mongering. If any more of the articles you create are up for deletion let me know and I will try to help. Jjmillerhistorian 16:16, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

NHL Logos
I notice that you've been removing all of the notifications I've left (can't possibly think of why.....) when I've been tagging and bagging images. Fair assumption that you don't care one way or another and would rather me just leave you alone? Trust me, I'm not here to try and drive you insane. :-D --fuzzy510 03:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry about that. I get annyoed by image notices. I mean, I would care, but I get so many that I can't really be bothered. You seem to be a sports fan, why go through all this work instead of just giving the images fair use rationale? -- Earl Andrew - talk 03:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not tagging them for not having rationale - trust me, I wouldn't do that, since that'd incredibly counterproductive. I'm replacing them with PNG versions, which leaves them orphaned.  When I did this with college logos, about 98% of them were changed out without anybody caring, but it's the 2% that raised legitimate concerns that I wouldn't have thought of.  I'd just skip it, but it's going to be that one time that I don't do it that I really step on someone's toes.  --fuzzy510 03:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Image:Montrealcanadienslogo1920.gif
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Alberta municipal elections, 2007
Thanks for creating the above-named page. I assume that since you created the skeleton, you have thoughts as to how it should be filled out. I've filled out the St. Albert portion of it, but I'm certainly not married to the format I've used or the information that I've included; if you have other ideas about what the page should look like, let's figure it out now so it has some internal consistency (I'd also like to handle the Sturgeon County and Edmonton portions).

Speaking of the Edmonton portion, how do you think it should be handled, given that I've already created a separate article for the Edmonton election? I have no fundamental objection to merging the Edmonton municipal election, 2007 article into the provincial master article; the one problem that I see with doing so is that every other Edmonton municipal election, including those that took place before provincial legislation unified all Alberta municipal election, has its own article, and it seems like it would be a little odd not to give 2007 its own as well (to say nothing of messing with the template).

I have no strong opinions on any of this, but I'd like to hear your thoughts. Sarcasticidealist 16:15, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Image reverts
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 * Nevermind. Ryulong deleted it. —  «  A NIMUM   »  05:48, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

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Rollback
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About Highway 6 Map
Hi Earl Andrew,

I've seen you uploading a new map for Highway 6. What a nice map it is. I am just wondering... Could you sent me this map (without the mapped Highway 6), I just want the original map... to my e-mail. How about it?

Also, I have seen you have done some work reviewing Highway 6, I wish you can give me more feedbacks, as I want to promote it to Good Article.

Smcafirst | Chat at 14:03, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

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Re:Alex Munter map
You're right, and I'm sorry for disparaging the good people of 7-6. Have a glance to see if there are any other errors, and I will make a corrected version. I also have similar maps for the other candidates. I've already added Jane Scharf's and will do O'Brien and Chiarelli shortly. - SimonP 17:37, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Highway 6 Map
Hi Earl Andrew,

Sure. Upload it for me. Thank you for your help. You ahve been a great help in making maps. I have seen your work of Ontario maps all around Wikipedia. Keep it up!

I am just wondering... Would you like to join our WikiProject, WikiProject Golden Horseshoe Roads? We need someone for the maps, and formatting!

Smcafirst | Chat at 15:03, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I would not reply quickly since my internet is down. I am working in a public library.


 * Thanks for the map! Smcafirst | Chat  at 19:47, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Little context in Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot by-election, 2007
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 * He's in your party, Peter. Delete him if you want. I would disagree however, as he was the leader of the Nova Scotia greens. Oh, and please do not leave templated comments on my talk page. I'm a human being. -- Earl Andrew - talk 20:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The first leader of the Green Party of Nova Scotia is Nick Wright. GreenJoe 20:16, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * He was the interim leader- at least according to the article. I haven't edited since I created in 2004, before there even was a provincial party. -- Earl Andrew - talk 20:21, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

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Green Joe
Although it's true that Joe's AfD nominations in the past few days have been NDP-based, a skim through his Deleted Edits (accessible only to admins; sorry) shows that those aren't the only articles he's been listing: he's gone after articles on minor unsuccessful candidates in general - American leftists as well as Canadian - plus articles on miscellaneous subjects.

Questionable behavior? Yes. Evidence of actual bias? Well.... no. DS 20:50, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There are Green Party candidates on AFD as well. --GreenJoe 22:30, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The whole point of AFD is to have a discussion about the article. I thought they were fairly useless and didn't have encyclopedic merit. I don't appreciate you trying to bully me. GreenJoe 23:18, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not making a point. I'm only trying to get unencyclopedic folks deleted. --GreenJoe 00:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Defunct Ontario ridings
I noticed that you wrote many of the articles listed at Category:Defunct Ontario provincial electoral districts. I was wondering, where was your source for this information? I ask because I'd like to write an article on Durham Centre and the electoral districts that preceeded it. Morgan695 21:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, could you please send maps of Durham Centre, Durham East, Durham West and Durham--York? My email is morgan.es.alan@gmail.com. Thank you! Morgan695 18:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I don't mean to press, but do you happen to know of a source for a chronology of ridings (specifically, which riding preceeded Durham Centre?) I used the Legislative Assembly of Ontario webpage and my best guess would be that it was once a part of Durham East or Durham West, but I'd like to be sure. Morgan695 20:13, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

John Kent, Newfoundland premier
I wish you hadn't moved John Kent (Newfoundland politician) to John Kent (politician). There are other politicians of that name, which is why I put the Newfoundland in the article title as I build the dab page. (Considering it was moved a few minutes before your move, it might have been good to ask discuss any further moves). Could we agree to move it back? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:59, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, this would indicate otherwise: John_Kent_%28disambiguation%29. If there are other John Kent's, they should be added there. -- Earl Andrew - talk 20:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If you check the edit history, you'll find that I have only just created John Kent (disambiguation), to group together the articles on John Kent before naming the new ones which I am about to create. Please could you not wait even a few hours before moving an article so that all its incoming links are ambiguous redirects? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)
 * Sorry, I don't normally check the edit histories under those circumstances. Please accept my apologies. -- Earl Andrew - talk 20:08, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have moved it back. But it really would be a good idea to do more checking before moving article. You have been doing a lot of page moves recently. I just looked at a few, and I find that you don't appear to have updated any of the disambiguation pages or any double redirects.  have you checked whether the targets for those moves were already redlinks, and whether the result would be an appropriate link ?  Wouldn't it be better to do that work as you go, rather than leaving it to be sorted out later? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:17, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't we have bots to do all that? :) -- Earl Andrew - talk 20:20, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There are limits to what the bots can do, and any that work on this stuff must be heavily overloaded, because I encounter so many dab pages where the the dablink points to a redirect, and has done so for a long time. AFAIK, the bots merely report' double redirects rather than fixing them.   That's why it says on the move page "You are responsible for making sure that links continue to point where they are supposed to go.".  --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I've taken the liberty to bypass all the redirects. -- Earl Andrew - talk 20:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Are you sure? A random check suggests not quite all . And what about the dab pages?
 * Also, was it really a good idea to to move John Holloway (governor) to John Holloway (politician)? He was an admiral and a colonial governor, but it's stretching things to call him a politician. I'm really not sure what the benefit is of all these moves. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * One shouldn't use someone's title as a disambiguation unless absolutely necessary. We normally use their profession instead. It's the common standard on Wikipedia, from what I've seen.  -- Earl Andrew - talk 20:58, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed, but Holloway was not a politician. Nor were several of the other governors, who I have also moved back again.  Governor is a frequent exception to the rule, because many colonial governors were military, naval, diplomatic or business people, not politicians (AFAICS it was only in the early 20th century that British politicians got sent off to the colonies as governors), and "John Smith (governor)"  is much snappier than "John Smith (colonial administrator)".   --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:06, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * We don't disambiguate on Wikipedia based on how "snappy" the disambiguation title is. -- Earl Andrew - talk 21:10, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * A disambiguator isn't an essay, so some degree of brevity is needed; "snappiness" is not the only consideration in choosing a disambiguator, but it is one important consideration. Either way, calling people politicians when they were not politicians is no-no. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * From Naming conventions (people): "try to limit to a single, recognisable and highly applicable word regarding the person at hand". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:50, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That doesn't mean "snappy" -- Earl Andrew - talk 22:07, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It was probably a bad idea for me to use a slangy term which may not translate well across th Atlantic, but concise and clear was what I meant. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:29, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Happy Birthday
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Orphaned non-free media (Image:Kylie-fever.jpg)
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Flag templates for Canadian provinces and territories
Please do not bypass the standard flag template system for these 13 flags. There is nothing special about this set of 13 relative to the other ~1000 available flag templates that they need to be differently sized, and lacking a border. Inconsistency is a big problem when these templates are used on the same page with other flag templates. If you have specific pages in which you would like to see 30px versions, then the preferred method is to use the size= parameter with the standard Template:flag, on those specific pages. But please don't change the default size for this small subset of flags (only) so that all transclusions are affected. Thanks, Andrwsc 20:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, I created these flag templates. Please do not change them. If you want there to be standard sized templates, please create your own. I created these for use in curling articles, so the flags would be large enough to distinguish the difference between Manitoba and Ontario. -- Earl Andrew - talk 00:05, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Uh, please read WP:OWN. Although you may created these templates only for use on a relatively small number of curling articles, they have been "usurped" by many other editors for many other articles.  For example, Template:AB is transcluded on over 500 articles, many of which rely on standard flag icon formatting.  Look at Highwood, Calgary, where the flags for Canada, Alberta, and Calgary are all intended to line up together.  Other instances I've come across are Little League World Series articles, where Canadian province flags, US state flags, and international country flags are all used and therefore all need to be similarly sized.  You even reverted a change of mine at 2001 Jeux de la Francophonie where the Quebec and New Brunswick flags were misaligned with the nation flags.  I ask you - is it easier to edit a handful of curling articles to use the flag size you prefer, or to cause thousands of other pages to have formatting alignment problems?  Andrwsc 00:18, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * One further comment: it's trivial to make the changes to the curling articles, and I've started with a handful already, so if you are concerned about the work involved, I'm willing to do it. Just let me know.  Andrwsc 00:21, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Perhaps their usuption was intended to have them as larger flags as well? Anyways, if you do insist on changing all of the templates, please do not forget the historical templates too. -- Earl Andrew - talk 01:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe, but my guess is not, because I would have expected to see the use of CAN2 (30px) as well, but CAN (22px + border) was used on those pages.
 * Now, I have a followup question about the "historical templates". Should they really be used?  The discussion on Talk:Flag of Alberta indicates that the flag used in AB2 was in fact never really used.  The original author's comments on the Commons page for Image:Hypotheical flag of Alberta.svg even express the speculative nature of this design: Possible flag of en:Alberta from 1907. Created from the SVG images of the Alberta flag and of the British Blue Ensign.  As there does not seem to be any verifiable references for these flags, should we still use them?  Thanks, Andrwsc 18:38, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reference. That seems to be as good as any!  Andrwsc 18:48, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Image:Danieligali.jpg
Hi. I've tagged Image:Danieligali.jpg, which you uploaded ~2 years ago, for deletion as I believe it constitutes a replaceable fair use image. I realize the current restrictions probably weren't in place then, but since he's a public figure I think that a free alternative could be found or created. Picaroon (t) 06:24, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Your fair use Pete Trudeau picture is up for deletion
No, it's not. It was never unfree. Wily D 19:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

New Democratic Party candidates, 2007 Ontario provincial election
Articles like New Democratic Party candidates, 2007 Ontario provincial election are never fun to write, given the sheer ammount of information being put into them, but you should follow the standard set at the other candidate articles (see the Liberal candiate list), by which I mean: I know re-sorting the entire list would not be enjoyable (seeing as the NDP have 97 non-incumbents - I wonder if there is a bot that could do it more easily?), but you seem to be quite interested in NDP-related articles and I'd figure that I'd alert you to the standard. Morgan695 19:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * List sorted alphabetically, by candidate's last name
 * Only putting non-incumbents on the page
 * Not giving non-incumants their own article, unless they have done something notable before the election or are elected
 * I stand corrected. Regardless, I've removed the current MPPs because they all have their own pages - there's no real need to have them there - and I am in the process of removing all non-incumbants who have their own article. Morgan695 23:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * My thought was that a list of 107 is incredibly overwhelming and difficult to navigate; we should look for opportunities to cut it down where we can. Even with incumbents and notables removed, it's still a large list at 88. Morgan695 02:18, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

2006-07 curling season
Just so you know, the plain title Sudbury is a dab page, not an article about the Ontario city. The one in Ontario can be linked to at either Sudbury, Ontario or Greater Sudbury, but not just "Sudbury". Bearcat 01:08, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Request
Could you please review a controversy on the Bill Graham page? CJCurrie 04:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

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The map you added to Ontario electoral reform referendum, 2007
It *is* a better map. Unfortunately, it's already out of date, since MMP is down to leading in five ridings. This is why I like to procrastinate. Sarcasticidealist 08:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

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Electoral riding splits
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Teflon Disambiguation Reverted
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List of islands by name (P)
Which is which?

Someone please sort this out, see also Talk:Pine Island & Talk:List of islands by name (P), Peter Horn 22:39, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Severn Sound
Can anyone tell me where this lake or sound is? I assume it is not Severn Lake which I found in northeren Ontario. Peter Horn 02:32, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Whitefish lake (Ontario)
Really in Ontario? Do you mean Whitefish River? Peter Horn 01:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC) Peter Horn 22:48, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Geographical Place Names in Ontario
Thanke for that website, but the plot thickens. I found about 18 Whitefish Lakes in Ontario alone! Now I had to figure out in which of these is Deans Island & that was OK, but List of islands of Ontario is a real problem. Peter Horn 21:12, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello, there are 8 Windy Lakes in Ontario. In which one of these 8 Windy lakes in Ontario are the following two islands??


 * Burnt Island
 * Pine Island

Cheerio Peter Horn 04:53, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

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Saskatchewan election
Re: Image:Sask07.PNG, could you recolour Meadow Lake as an SP win instead of an NDP when you get a chance? There is a potential recount pending, but until that happens we need to report the actual winners as declared by Elections Saskatchewan, and Jeremy Harrison is currently the declared winner. Thanks. Bearcat 17:58, 9 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah. Sonntag was declared on election night, but the returning officer reported a tabulation error the following morning which flipped it to Harrison. (Shades of 2004, no?) Absentee ballots aren't being counted until the 19th, though, so save yourself a potential future hassle by hanging onto the NDP version of the map just in case. Bearcat 18:03, 9 November 2007 (UTC)