User talk:EarthWalkMan

Help me!
Please help me with...

I need to create 2 pages and would like to work with a volunteer to accomplish this.

Page wanting to create: List of people who have walked across Tasmania, Australia.

Second Page wanting to create: List of people who have walked the perimeter of Tasmania, Australia

EarthWalkMan (talk) 00:35, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello. I can help you for sure with that. If that is all right, I will mostly walk you through the process and check your work. The articles do not exist already, so the first order of business is to determine whether the subject is wp:Notable. Ie, has the subject been discussed, in depth by independent secondary sources. Books and news articles are good examples of such sources. Let's see if between the two of us we can come up with 3 good sources on each topic. I have created sections for the sources. Happy Squirrel(Please let me know how to improve!) 00:53, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Some of the references below are suitable for the tree pages topics I wish to have created
===I don't know how to respond to this thread. How do I respond to happy squire. I'm not a clever geek. If you go to Advocate Newspaper, then search, then type linton, you will find many newspaper articles about our walk. If you go to Murcury Newspaper, each, Linton, you will find many articles about our walk. If you go to www.earthwalkcommunity.com/media-coverage you will find a dozen articles about our walk. If you go to YouTube you can find at least two TV news about our walk. More will be posted on YouTube soon ( Southern Cross TV News and WIN TV News ) I have maybe 20 references I can produce. www.facebook.com/earth.walk.community is my Facebook page where I recorded my Day-to-day activities as we both walked===

here is a page created that my two pages can format similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_have_walked_across_Australia

 * Perfect, that was exactly what was needed. If that is OK with you, I will create drafts of the lists. This is so that we can work on them a bit before they go live. Once they are good enough for article space, I can easily move them. These are the links: Draft:List of people who have walked accross Tasmania, Australia and Draft:List of people who have walked the perimeter of Tasmania, Australia. I will start work on them and you can too. No need to be a geek :). You will pick up wikimarkup fast once you start using and seeing a lot of it. Happy Squirrel(Please let me know how to improve!) 01:30, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Please have a look at the drafts. You can either let me know of any changes you would like to see, or just make them yourself. Happy Squirrel(Please let me know how to improve!) 02:19, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Sources for List of people who have walked across Tasmania, Australia

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Sources for List of father and son teams who have walked across Tasmania, Australia

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Sources for List of people who have walked the perimeter of Tasmania, Australia

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Username question
Hi, just so this doesn't become an issue at a later date, are you associated in any way with EarthWalk? If you are, it doesn't really change that much, you just have to post a notice and follow a few extra policies. Either way, it's best if we sort this out early, before someone asks. Happy Squirrel(Please let me know how to improve!) 01:06, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Answer: I created the earth walk community ( I am known as the Earth Walk Man ) and my website belongs to me earthwalkcommunity.com all branding is mine.

I don't know how to use this chat thing, don't know how to respond to help already given, its not very clear.

I have been working on two pages with let me know. So far all going well.

I would like these pages started as well so I can start editing them ( I am not sure how to generate a templet to start.

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Sources for List - List of father and son teams who have walked across Tasmania, Australia

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2. As a public figure recording artist and author, I would like to create my own page ( similar to this []

Christopher Neil Linton

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As a public youth leader, I want to have a page created for

Kelvin Charles Yong-hyeon Linton

3. How can I add a route map and pic to the pages we are working on now?

EarthWalkMan (talk) 07:20, 21 May 2015 (UTC)ChrisEarthWalkMan (talk) 07:20, 21 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, don't worry about the IRC chat. I don't use it. It's just available for those who are interested. Helpme tags and writing replies on the talk page (here) is actually the standard way of communicating, and I see you are definitely picking up some wikimarkup. I looked at your edits to the pages, they look very good. About creating the other two pages, I think we should hold off for a few days. I want to see how the news coverage evolves in the days after the end of the walk. Also, I would like to have the List articles up and in mainspace before we start work on more drafts.


 * Thank you for clarifying your connection to the subject of the articles. The entire policy for people closely connected to the subject they are editing on is at wp:COI. That being said, you have clearly disclosed, and are seeking help to create pages so you are fine. Since your username represents you as an individual, it is also OK.


 * About the route map, the best thing would be for you to draw a route map, upload it and insert it into the article. Unfortunately, you wave to be autoconfirmed to upload images. This will happen automatically in a few days. You can start preparing the map now, though. I'll walk you through the process when we get there.


 * Again, thank you for contributing to Wikipedia! Happy Squirrel (talk) 14:50, 21 May 2015 (UTC)


 * The walking across draft looks pretty good. If you fill in the Scott Loxley and James Harrington sections, I can move it to mainspace. We can keep working on it, but it will be in the main encyclopedia. Happy Squirrel (talk) 16:29, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, the perimeter list is ready for mainspace. It needs a better lead, but that can wait. I can move it in the next few hours if you agree. Happy Squirrel (talk) 01:11, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

I have completed the references and most the supporting text with the exception of the lead-in paragraph, a photo of me walking and a route map. I can construct this in the next few days. Yes, I think it can go live.

EarthWalkMan (talk) 01:58, 22 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Done. It is now in mainspace. Congratulations! You have created your first article. Happy Squirrel (talk) 02:06, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The walking across list is also in mainspace. Happy Squirrel (talk) 14:23, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

EarthWalkMan, you are invited on a Wikipedia Adventure!
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Again, welcome! Happy Squirrel (talk) 02:07, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

On the page we are creating: List of people who have walked accross Tasmania, Australia - references are the same for both people and should be; however, how does one only have them listed once in the references section if mentioned twice or more above?

I am contacting the listed persons who have absent data to have them provide references and dates.

EarthWalkMan (talk) 02:16, 22 May 2015 (UTC)


 * On the first appearance, replace the ) tags by where XXXX is the mnemonic for that reference. I'll do one of them to show you how it works. Happy Squirrel (talk) 02:28, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much Happy Squirrel for helping me get started.

1. I would like to add a picture and route maps to the articles.

2. I would like to create and upload an Introduction paragraph for each page ( I don't see an edit button for me to do this ).

3. I would like to create another page "List of father and son teams who have walked across Tasmania ( my son and I hold this World Record as well ).

4. Now I would like a template started to create public figure pages for ( Christopher Nil Linton ) and another for ( Kelvyn Charles Yong-Hyeon Linton )

EarthWalkMan (talk) 04:43, 23 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello. I am always glad to help.


 * For the picture and route map, you will have to wait until tommorrow. Your account will be 4 days old then and you will be able to upload them. At that point, I reccomend using the upload wizard which will walk you through the process. To insert the image into the article, I reccomend using the embedded file button on the top toolbar of the editing window.


 * To edit the lead paragraph, you have two options. Either go right to the top of the screen and click on the edit tab (second row, right side). This opens the entire article in an editing window. To make an edit link appear for the lead, go to "Preferences" -> "gadgets" and click the first option under "appearances". Click save and it shoud work.


 * For the list of father and son teams, I think the subject may be a little too precise to get a whole article. You can create it if you want. Just create a link to it (it will be red), click the link to create the page, put at the top, and start editing. I just think it has at least a 30% chance of being deleted as too specific, not notable. However, if you do go and create it, I will help you with the editing.


 * First of all, just so you know going in, wikipedians have aquired a distrust of autobiographical articles. Now I think you can edit neutrally and using reliable sources, and at least you seem notable, but the pages will be under very serious scrutiny, and more than one . I will create the drafts Draft:Christopher Neil Linton and Draft:Kelvyn Charles Yong-Hyeon Linton, but the first order of business will be to show notability, particularly notability in areas other than the walk. That means lots of sources. Unfortunately, I am in Montreal and Google knows it and makes it hard for me to find information about happening far away, so you will have to do most of the sourcing.


 * Anyway, thank you for creating two great articles. I hope we can work together on more. I hope you don't mind the advice, but I just hate getting my articles deleted, so I avoid writing things that will likely get deleted.

Happy Squirrel thank you so much for mentoring me through this. As for my page, I can reference my music, books that I have written, my new world records, etc. The only thing I don't like is there is an individual that seems to find enjoyment in attacking my work ( he has done it many times before ), so I could be open to him editing by placing slander on my page. Can this be screened?

EarthWalkMan (talk) 05:27, 24 May 2015 (UT

Please can you explain to me who and why all the work I did on the List of people who have walked the perimeter of Tasmania, Australia has been erased? It's frustrating to go to so much work to have it deleted by someone. The Paragraphs that explained the rote I took is vital information that needs to be included and brings validity to the World Record I achieved. I have a pic copy of it but how can I reverse the person that erased it? Can you help please Happy Squirrel ?

Cheers

should be: Draft:Christopher Neil Linton

EarthWalkMan (talk) 10:06, 24 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, to see who removed information and why, go to the "view history" at the top of the page you want. In this case they felt the article was too much about you and not enough about walking around Tasmania. I don't think he realised you are the only person to have done it. You can also undo edits in the page history, but be careful of that. If you do it often, you can get blocked for edit warring. If you do it more than 3 times per day, you are almost garanteed a block. I will restore the pre-blanking version, but you may want to summarise the information. About blocking people from editing pages, that is only done as a last resort. Happy Squirrel (talk) 10:32, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

If there were others that had completed this walk, then they would also be listed and their route explained. It is my hope that this does become a list of people as people challenge my World Record in the coming years. Any suggestions on keeping the route and pertinent information in a summarised version. I thought I had done that but open to your skill.

EarthWalkMan (talk) 11:03, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Re:Deletion

 * Hi, the perimeter list has been nominated for deletion. Some very experienced editors (way more experienced than me) feel we should wait and see. They feel that since the walk is so recent, the effects are not clear yet. I must say that after reading their arguments at Articles for deletion/List of people who have walked the perimeter of Tasmania, Australia, I have to agree. I had not fully read the relevant guidelines. I think the best is to fall back on making the walking across Tasmania article the best it can be and delete the two new drafts. As they say, wait and see. If other people start walking the perimeter of Tasmania, the list can come back. Anyways, I am very sorry to have mis-advised you. Happy Squirrel (talk) 22:14, 24 May 2015 (UTC)


 * About the two new pages about you and your son, I strongly reccommend requesting them deleted ourselves. Given the discussion at the deletion discussion, I currently have no hope they will last at all. Asking for them deleted now will show that we have read and understood the guidelines. If we do that, and do an awesome job of the walking across list, this may be best for Wikipedia. Happy Squirrel (talk) 22:39, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Happy Squirrel

Response: Ok, please delete the public figure pages for me and my son.

As far as the perimeter walk page, I was of the understanding that Wikipedia is an Encyclopaedia ( giving information on many subjects or on many aspects ). I agree that the title of "List" may not be 'Currently' appropriate given I am the first person in recored history to have achieved this, but it should not be struck from the Encyclopaedia. It is history. I don't want to enter the discussion as I am bias, but if you were to add this angle to the discussion and ask what title and category might be appropriate, that may satisfy the critics until such a point that others do it and then it can be re-titled as a list later on. Can it be titled "People who have walked the perimeter of Tasmania, Australia" or "Walking the perimeter of Tasmania, Australia" It seems to me a solution can be found rather than a complete deletion. If wikipedia is to be an encyclopedia of facts, then there should be a space for this event of history somewhere.

EarthWalkMan (talk) 02:07, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Happy Squirrel

Response: Ok, please delete the public figure pages for me and my son.

As far as the perimeter walk page, I was of the understanding that Wikipedia is an Encyclopaedia ( giving information on many subjects or on many aspects ). I agree that the title of "List" may not be 'Currently' appropriate given I am the first person in recored history to have achieved this, but it should not be struck from the Encyclopaedia. It is history. I don't want to enter the discussion as I am bias, but if you were to add this angle to the discussion and ask what title and category might be appropriate, that may satisfy the critics until such a point that others do it and then it can be re-titled as a list later on. Can it be titled "People who have walked the perimeter of Tasmania, Australia" or "Walking the perimeter of Tasmania, Australia" It seems to me a solution can be found rather than a complete deletion. If wikipedia is to be an encyclopedia of facts, then there should be a space for this event of history somewhere.

EarthWalkMan (talk) 02:41, 25 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, I will request deletion of the drafts. Thanks for your understanding of the issues. I think the best for now would be to mention in the entry in the walking across log that your traversal was part of a circumnabulation. This is currently done. I will try to add perhaps a little more information. Also, please be aware that deletion is not as final as it may sound. If in a few months or years we realise we need that article back, an administrator can restore it. The suggestion to transwiki to WikiNews sounds good. It is the place for things that have just happened and whose impact is not yet completely clear. You may want to pursue that, although I can't help you there (I only do French and English Wikipedia). Your account should also work on WikiNews since it is also run by the Wikimedia Foundation (like Wikimedia Commons, Wikibooks, Wiktionary, Wikidata etc.). English Wikipedia is probably the strictest project in terms of inclusion in my experience. Good luck, and thanks for taking it well. Happy Squirrel (talk) 02:56, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Getting tired of the editing and comments that seem to be people with no life but to criticise. The facts on the page ( walk across Tasmania ) are a nutural and factual account. What the hell? Cant these people make positive suggestions, solutions rather than just point fingers? I'm gonna walk away from it soon. EarthWalkMan (talk) 08:13, 25 May 2015 (UTC)


 * People have had very bad experiences with promotional stuff written by people too connected to the subject of the article too write objectively. I think you have done a decent job of the across article, but the fact you are unarguably connected to the subject raises some pretty basic instincts for a lot of people. Walking away may be the best thing at this point. I would also suggest you edit constructively on other topics to which you are unconnected. I believe you are here to build an encyclopedia. Moving on to other topics will be proof of this. Happy editing! Happy Squirrel (talk) 12:41, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

sorry
But no-one uses the term Tasmania, Australia, and really most of what has happened about your two articles is problematic - you should have been well advised to have created your own blog, wikipedia is an online encyclopedia. Also WP:COI - you dont write up your own experience as an article in wikipedia. Also so many other people have walked around Tasmania for the last 150 years plus, the sudden arrival of the two lists is something that could have been deleted instantly. Wikipedia WP:ABOUT and WP:NOT need to be understood very very clearly, and really, a step back from trying to argue with anyone - just realise that becuase the Advocate and other local news sources run with the idea you may have been the first to walk roads in Tasmania in 2015 ignores the previous 150 years when a lot of people did more gruelling walks and under horrible conditions. The whole tenor of the approach to the articles 'first this' and 'first that' would be fine if it was a walk for a reason and theme - rather than the specific location which you and the journos have an obvious lack of sense of history about. Find a blog space - and you will be a happier person with no one defining the scope of an online encyclopedia to you. It would be a better less demanding space. User:JarrahTree 01:49, 27 May 2015 (UTC)