User talk:East718/Archive 12

Elevenses.jpg
Hello East718, i notice you have deleted my recent image upload. Can I ask on what grounds? I have been given permission from the copyright holder. Do I need to show evidence for this or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Voncrass (talk • contribs) 00:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

That shouldn't be a problem, I already have his permission. So how do I go about getting licensing, is there some procedure to follow? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Voncrass (talk • contribs) 00:15, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:VictoriaV07.jpg
Hi, I'm requesting that you restore Image:VictoriaV07.jpg. I propose to use this in Seras Victoria. It was used there previously, but was replaced with fan art (Image:Seras 16-1.jpg) of the character. Since both are non-free, I think the picture used in the work itself better illustrates the character. Thanks, --Phirazo 01:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --Phirazo 01:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Zuoken
Hello! :) Late last year, Zuoken was proposed for deletion.  Five days passed and no one contested it, so you deleted the article as expected.  In retrospect, I feel someone should have merged and/or redirected the article to List of Greyhawk deities. After the fact, I decided to create a redirect anyway. I'm wondering if it's possible to restore the original article, and turn it into a redirect, thus preserving the edit history? If you agree, you can obliterate the current edit history, or just add it to the original edit history. Thanks, BOZ (talk) 02:35, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You're awesome, thanks! :) BOZ (talk) 02:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Template: Country data Greece
Hello! As you protected the template from edits, could you please replace the flags for the parameters royal and royalnavy, with Image:Hellenic Kingdom Flag 1935.svg and Image:Hellenic Naval Ensign 1935.svg respectively? These are both better and more accurate versions. Thank you and cheers, Cplakidas (talk) 11:23, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

User:ComputerGuy890100/Cabals
Why did you delete something on my userspace without premission? — ComputerGuy89010 0 Talk to meWhat I've done to help Wikipedia 15:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Why did you delete it at all? There was no need to delete it and consensus of the Wikipedia community was to keep it. — BQZip01 —  talk 20:54, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, there may have been some conflict, but the discussion at WP:ANI was almost strictly amongst admins. No outside input seems to have been elicited (i.e. "A page in your user space has been nominated for deletion..." or anything along those lines. With contrary inputs from a large portion of the community (2 admins vs. ~20 users), I do not believe you should have initiated such an action, at least without some discussion from the Wikipedia Community. I've noticed a recent spat of "This is not productive and should be deleted" mentality across Wikipedia where the harm is nonexistent and the time wasted defending such spurious request is problematic (I'm NOT saying this is the case here, but that this is where I am coming from). I humbly request that the deleted pages simply be put up for discussion at WP:MfD where wider community input can be assessed; I think that is only fair. — BQZip01 —  talk 04:44, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Revert script
Unapproved bot added lots of poorly formed links per Administrators%27_noticeboard, you got a script that can fix that?  MBisanz  talk 16:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * When list1 and list2 are eventually created (going on 100 hours and I'm only at Album covers, but eh), where will they drop to? Directory or wiki?  MBisanz  talk 05:46, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well right now its showing a consistent 50% CPU usage and a 146MB memory footprint, out of 2,667MB available. Until it hits like 250MB, I'm not that concerned about system stability.  MBisanz  talk 20:06, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Wtf did you delete my pictures for?
I have permission to use these pics pal! Why the fuck did you delete them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mneb430 (talk • contribs)

I GOT PERMISSION!
Ok I apologise for cursing and being rude the first time. I have gotten permission from the person who took those pictures. His name is John Gregorio. He posted it at TNR Total Nonstop Racing a Nascar Racing 2003 league I race in. It wil make the page look alot niceer with these logos. I think you should reconsider the deletion of Amp_Can.JPG and Amp_Lineup.jpg. Thank you for your time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mneb430 (talk • contribs) 02:30, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

how does he get it licensed?
how does he get the picture licensed? just email me permission? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mneb430 (talk • contribs) 02:43, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

he sent you an email
he sent you an email. Will you restore the images now and put them on the Amp Wikipedia page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mneb430 (talk • contribs) 02:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks I appreciate your help.

--Mneb430 (talk) 03:07, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

User:Basketball110/Mr. Potato Head Cabal/Fun facts challenge
You should not have deleted User:Basketball110/Mr. Potato Head Cabal/Fun facts challenge, it encouraged research to write and expand articles. The Potato Head cabal in general was helpful to wikipedia unlike the other cabals that were deleted.--Uga Man (talk) UGA MAN FOR PRESIDENT 2008  22:02, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Mellow
Could you please restore: Harsh their mellow, Harshing my mellow, Harshing your mellow, Harshing one's mellow, Harshing ones mellow, Harshing my mellow, Harshing his mellow, Harshing her mellow? Thanks. --evrik (talk) 23:26, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Some admins like to be asked first before an editor goes elsewhere, that's why I asked you. Thanks again! --evrik (talk) 17:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

ANI discussion
Please have a look at this ANI thread, relating to a load of CSD I1 deletions of vva-tagged files you did earlier.--Nilfanion (talk) 00:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, sorry if you feel that you should have been contacted before the ANI thread. However, I don't really think that your actions (or Wizardman's or whoever else hit the delete button) were wrong; which is why I went straight there as opposed to to you first.--Nilfanion (talk) 11:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

PayPay draft
can you check the draft i wrote. Would it be acceptable? Thanks --AndreYoung (talk) 12:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added some references and more information. --AndreYoung (talk) 15:12, 3  April 2008 (UTC)
 * If moneybookers article which is for a long time (right at the beginning) with no sources or references still on wikipedia(wasn't deleted) and acceptable I think that my article is sufficient too. --AndreYoung (talk) 22:58, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It wasn't deleted,and i see that some articles may advertise as long as they want, some articles are deleted next day...

--AndreYoung (talk) 10:05, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No, this is not i want, delete some article.. I just want to know if the rules are the same for everyone, that's all. Thanks --AndreYoung (talk) 09:09, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Phuntsok
ActiveDiscuss —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phuntsok Jigme (talk • contribs)

Protect
thanks, as an ancient admin, I'm a bit behind the times (: Jimfbleak (talk) 05:17, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * When you delete a page, there isn't a protect tab to use, as far as I can see - please advise further Jimfbleak (talk) 12:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * thanks, Jimfbleak (talk) 17:22, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:Kay02.jpg
What is the problem?. I am going to restore the image now. Please discuss any proposed deletion. Bob BScar23625 (talk) 16:45, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * East718. No, I didn't take the picture myself. It was taken and circulated by a Zimbabwe civil rights group. They won't raise any copyright issues, believe me. Bob BScar23625 (talk) 17:27, 4 April 2008 (UTC) 

Josiah leming deletion-Want Josiah Leming page
I want a Josiah Leming page.

I was aware that a while back that it was up for discussion, but since the page was available whenever I checked, I thought that the discussion had ended in favor of having a Josiah Leming page. I attended a week long conference away from the internet and find I missed the discussion during that time frame. If I could have been allowed to participate, I would have strongly favored keeping a Josiah Leming page.

A dedicated Josiah Leming page was useful to me and represented what I liked about Wikipedia, which was popular, current, and hot topics that are in a process of change so that it is worth my time to check the Wikipedia page from time to time. Historical and demographic information that is fairly static is easy enough to find from other sources. If I have to dig through another page to find information about Josiah Leming then that also defeats the purpose of Wikipedia being quick and easy to use versus another source. Without a page like a Josiah Leming page being available, Wikipedia is too much like the competition and frankly is not much use to me.

Watching someone who has great potential launch a career with a fascinating background story, this is the point in the time of someone’s life that I find most interesting, compared to years later when I have heard the same facts over and over again. Also he is someone young who has experienced more than average several lifetimes. He also was a very controversial cut on the most popular television show currently. I find him to be fascinating and notable. He has that “it factor”.

Glancing at the list of other topics that are still waiting to be included, I am wondering if there is a snob factor toward popular culture or at the very least, a gap between the decision makers who decide what is notable versus other segments of the population. I do wish that the decision makers at Wikipedia had a wider understanding of what different groups in the population find to be notable.

I do comprehend that Wikipedia is overwhelmed with requests for topics, but I have little interest in most of the other pages offered by Wikipedia. Frankly, I am enough of a data geek that I don’t really need Wikipedia to find information. Wikipedia was mostly a nice starter page to move on to more detailed sites or in the case of Josiah Leming, a nice page to find quick and timely information that was also abbreviated enough that I found comfortable enough to refer to other people. I understand that you were following policy, specifically deletion policy. I have a master’s degree in public policy and years of government experience dealing with policies. However, I have policies of my own and I will maintain a personal policy of boycotting all other Wikipedia pages until a Josiah Leming page exists again.

If Josiah Leming is not notable enough for Wikipedia policies, then Wikipedia is not notable enough for me to use. By having policies that excludes a page such as Josiah Leming, then I am obviously not the intended audience for the current Wikipedia anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soapbox0916 (talk • contribs) 21:48, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Elisa's awards
You indicated in the deletion summary of User:ElisaEXPLOSiON/Awards it is a "talk page of an indefinately blocked user," yet Elisa is only blocked for 2 weeks. Cheers, 'Basketball110'  Talk  03:07, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Good catch... I will be restoring those shortly... but I have a question I've been meaning to ask you for a while. Can you explain why you operate an abusive alternate account - one that you've vandalized administrators' userpages with? east. 718 at 03:09, April 5, 2008
 * Two months, likely to be upped to indefinte shortly per consensus if I judge community sentiment about making physical threats and gross personal attacks with sockpuppets correctly. Daniel (talk) 03:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What? 'Basketball110'  Talk  03:11, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Please don't lie. This account is unquestionably you - and the only reason I haven't disclosed it publicly is to protect your own privacy. All I'm looking for is an explanation. east. 718 at 03:12, April 5, 2008
 * Elisa used sockpuppets to make physical threats and gross personal attacks. Daniel (talk) 03:13, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This is for East718, not Daniel, sorry if I made that unclear from the beginning. Can I see a link or something? 'Basketball110'  Talk  03:15, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Special:Contributions/68.185.194.16. You vandalized CBM's userpage just 25 minutes after he called you out for canvassing regarding userspace games. east. 718 at 03:18, April 5, 2008
 * Perhaps I'd lost my cool at the time, but I don't remember doing that. 'Basketball110'  Talk  03:19, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You say "I don't remember doing that" like it wasn't you, but this IP address is obviously yours. Then you say you "lost your cool," come on, that's no excuse! I have very little tolerance for people who abuse multiple accounts to avoid scrutiny or segregate bad edits they don't want associated with them - usually I end up blocking them forever. Tell me, why should you be different? east. 718 at 03:24, April 5, 2008
 * I didn't say it ("I don't remember doing that") as if the IP isn't mine. As you can see, I have made edits on that IP. I said that as if I didn't remember making that edit. Maybe I did. I don't really remember, and that's the truth. And your recent comment reminds me of someone pushing me off of a cliff. 'Basketball110'  Talk  03:29, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You still haven't attempted to explain anything beyond "I don't remember it." And I'm not looking to block you here either, that would be pretty lame nine days after the fact. I'm just trying to pick your brain. :-) east. 718 at 03:37, April 5, 2008
 * Pick away. Also, do you change your signature every 5 minutes? 'Basketball110'  Talk  03:41, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, Basketball110 could have siblings and networked computers that use the same IP. Especially if a home-brewed server is incorporated, in which case only the sever's IP would only be reported. Additionally, if the service provider doesn't provide a static IP (ie. DialUP, Municipal WIFI, or in rarity DSL), then the IP could easily be that of another's or an entire group. <font color="#CC5500">RC-0722 247.5/ 1  03:44, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not in Saint Louis. 'Basketball110' <font style="color: #FF8C00;background:#FFFFF;"> Talk  03:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I would like to ask you a question myself: If you get mad at another administrator on Wikipedia again, will you use a sock to vandalize their page? -- Chetblong Talk / Sign 03:47, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

'Again?' You are implying that I vandalized the page? In any case, no. 'Basketball110' <font style="color: #FF8C00;background:#FFFFF;"> Talk  03:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought we just solved that problem with numerous answers! <font color="#CC5500">RC-0722 247.5/ 1  03:53, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What? 'Basketball110' <font style="color: #FF8C00;background:#FFFFF;"> Talk  03:55, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * (reply to above) Charter's headquarters are in St. Louis, but your IP address goes to 33.35222°N, -97.20861°W, which is around Sanger. And no, you're not running a server (I checked), and you have a long-term IP lease. So let's stop insulting my intelligence and quit pretending that you didn't do this, kthx? I know how it goes. You got pissed at CBM for putting your name in his mouth and wanted to show him what's good. You logged out and blanked his userpage to get a rush thinking nobody would know. Well, I did and we're here. Got some better answers? <small style="background:#fff;border:#800080 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">east<big style="color:#090">. 718 at 03:56, April 5, 2008
 * "Insulting your intelegence" Huh? How? Also, there is no way to tell if one has a long term IP lease unless you happen to have checked with the DynDNS registetry or equivilant service. <font color="#CC5500">RC-0722 247.5/ 1  04:04, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * (ec)I ran my own traceroute and it shows its linked to a static IP in the state of Texas. Personally, I think East is going easy on you.  MBisanz  talk 04:05, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * First, what is "kthx?" 'Basketball110' <font style="color: #FF8C00;background:#FFFFF;"> Talk  04:07, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * A) "kthx" is "K thanks" B) IP address tracers aren't that accurate, as I did mine and it said I lived in Dayton, OH. <font color="#CC5500">RC-0722 247.5/ 1  04:09, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Picking at my brain usually doesn't make me shake all over. Do you do this to everyone, or did I walk into the wrong bar? 'Basketball110' <font style="color: #FF8C00;background:#FFFFF;"> Talk  04:11, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, East is one of the nicer admins whose less likely to block first and then ask questions. I can think of half a dozen admins who would've indef blocked as soon as they saw the connection.  The fact he's giving you a chance to admit what happened, apologize and move on is rather impressive to me.  MBisanz  talk 04:16, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that word of encouragment. The fact is that I don't remember vandalizing that page (now with all this, I'm convinced I did). I probably did, but I don't particularly remember it. But if you were in my position (I'm not just talking about the allegations of canvassing) I would bet a lot of money that you would have done the same thing, if not worse. I apologize. Two things though... it's actually Denton, not Sanger. And you didn't answer my sig question, East. Ladies and gentlemen of Wikipedia (half of which are watch this, or I feel that way)... pick away. 'Basketball110' <font style="color: #FF8C00;background:#FFFFF;"> Talk  04:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Another non-apology apology... sigh... I don't even know why I'm chasing this since I'm not going to block you - that would not be a good look so late. And no, most people wouldn't have done worse. They would have participated in a civil conversation with the user in question, or asked for assistance if they felt backed down for some reason. I'm obviously trying to squeeze blood from a stone here, so I won't pursue this any further. Oh, and my sig is magic. <small style="background:#fff;border:#800080 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">east<big style="color:#090">. 718 at 04:28, April 5, 2008
 * For personal reasons, i'm not going to tell you what they are, but under conditions, you would have, believe me. 'Basketball110' <font style="color: #FF8C00;background:#FFFFF;"> Talk  04:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * East being one of the nicer admins isn't the issue. The matter is is that he has accused Basketball110 of being a sockpuppet and essentially a vandal. Now, we given several answers and none of them were taken seriously and were considered an insult upon his intelligence. <font color="#CC5500">RC-0722 247.5/ 1  04:23, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * East718, Since Basketball110 has apologized I recommend you remove this post from your talk page since it includes personal information. Thank you.--Uga Man (talk) UGA MAN FOR PRESIDENT 2008  04:32, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * What post? 'Basketball110' <font style="color: #FF8C00;background:#FFFFF;"> Talk  13:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. <small style="background:#fff;border:#008080 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">east<big style="color:#090">. 718 at 04:44, April 5, 2008
 * For anyone who comes across this discussion at a later date and wishes to investigate and analyse the edit in question, it was made to User:CBM on March 26, 2008. Daniel (talk) 05:46, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That vandalism is not confirmed. <font color="#CC5500">RC-0722 247.5/ 1  13:05, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes it is. Are you saying that it isn't vandalism? Daniel (talk) 14:04, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I am saying that it isn't confirmed that Basketball110 did it. <font color="#CC5500">RC-0722 247.5/ 1  14:09, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * STOP IT! I did it. I even said so. Block me forever if you must, just quit arguing! 'Basketball110' <font style="color: #FF8C00;background:#FFFFF;"> Talk  14:13, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) An IP who is quite obviously his vandalized CBM's userpage just 25 minutes after CBM called him out for canvassing regarding userspace games. There is significant evidence to the contrary, especially given the IP isn't shared. Daniel (talk) 14:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What was that edit classified as, just so I know. <font face="Bauhaus 93" size="3" color="#8B4513">Basketball <font size="3" face= "Bauhaus 93" color="#FF8C00">110 18:16, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

...Leave Britney alone? dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 00:10, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What? <font face="High Tower Text" size="3" color="#FF8C00">Basketball110 <font size="3" face= "High Tower Text" color="#B22222">pick away... 00:15, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, to put it another way. Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 00:20, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, but I just wanted to know what my edit should be called. <font face="High Tower Text" size="3" color="#FF8C00">Basketball110 <font size="3" face= "High Tower Text" color="#B22222">pick away... 00:31, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Vandalism. (And before you consider replying to this, please take heed of my 00:20, 6 April 2008 (UTC) comment) dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 00:34, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Quick memo
Just a heads-up: I just unprotected a page you'd locked in December 2007 over an OTRS complaint. Hopefully the article can now be worked on constructively, but obviously you know more about the circumstances than I do, so if there's a reason why it needs to stay protected, feel free to reprotect. <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 15:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Martha Logan Image
Regarding this, could you restore the image? I'm now (as of today) the WikiProject 24 Co-ordinatior, and one of my aims is to write proper NFCC rationales for these images. Could you restore the image and whatever rationale there was? I will write a proper rationale straight away. Cheers, <font face="Lucida Calligraphy" color="red">Steve Crossin (talk) (anon talk) 20:08, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Does look OK? I've never been tagged by BetaCommandBot, i just want to be 100% sure it's OK. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy" color="red">Steve Crossin (talk) (anon talk) 20:18, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Heh, thanks. I feel I'm good at rationales. If you see any more 24 images up for deletion due to rationale issues, could you message me? And I'll fix it myself. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy" color="red">Steve Crossin (talk) (anon talk) 20:25, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Adoption Program
Well, my program was deleted. Do you think I could at least keep the classroom? Any comments?--<font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">RyRy5 <font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Got something to say? 23:29, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The answer is no. This is for two reasons: it was part of your adoption program, which has been deleted by fiat of the community, and because it suffered from the same problems pointed out in the MFD; namely too much red tape and too little good advice being given out. <small style="background:#fff;border:#ff8c00 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">east<big style="color:#090">. 718 at 23:36, April 5, 2008
 * Well, it will be different. If it sounds or looks almost the same, you can delete it, or someone else can instead. You don't have to accept. But I at least need something to teach my adoptees. I have depleted my adoptees to only 1-3, so it won't be very active. Can I at least give an example of the classroom?--<font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">RyRy5 <font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Got something to say?  23:40, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Why do you need a special page to help people out? Is there some deficiency in the functionality of talk pages? <small style="background:#fff;border:#ccc 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">east<big style="color:#090">. 718 at 23:45, April 5, 2008
 * I plan to have a page where my adoptees can have goals to accoplish. For Example,1 week:make 50 mainspace edits. It is an easier way of remembering if there is a special page.--<font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">RyRy5 <font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Got something to say?  23:58, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Goals are a bad thing. This isn't a game where you go "I made fifty edits, I'm up to level three!" or "I reverted a vandal, I got ten points! Look at me, I killed the bad guy!!!" - it's an encyclopedia where you participate at your own pace. <small style="background:#fff;border:#4682b4 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">east<big style="color:#090">. 718 at 00:05, April 6, 2008
 * Ok, I won't create it. I appreciate you trying to help me. Thanks! Do you have any comments?--<font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">RyRy5 <font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Got something to say?  00:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Going out of your way to help other users out is a very admirable thing, and something you should continue doing. However, please make sure that the advice you are giving is good - if you're at all unsure, run questions by a more knowledgeable user you're on good terms with. <small style="background:#fff;border:#090 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">east<big style="color:#090">. 718 at 00:48, April 6, 2008
 * I have been doing that. I have been mainly asking User:Jj137. I hope you'll come visit my new userpage when it's created. Cheers & thank you.<font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">RyRy5 <font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Got something to say?  00:52, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think East would rather go to the new article page when you create it. Hint, maybe? Daniel (talk) 00:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that User:RyRy5/Tests is part of the adoption program, I suppose that it should be deleted like the others. Cenarium Talk 01:52, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Gone. Thanks for the heads up. <small style="background:#fff;border:#000 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">east<big style="color:#090">. 718 at 07:17, April 6, 2008

Another Adoption Program
In light of your closing of RyRy5's adoption extravaganza, do you think User:Diligent Terrier/Adoption Program is kosher? It was created during the discussion on RyRy5's (just a day after Diligent Terrier voted "speedy keep" on it). Metros (talk) 04:26, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Diligent Terrier/Adoption Program. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 04:53, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the timeline is a bit fishy. I might be able to get away with killing that unilaterally, but would have to deal with DRV, which would inevitably lead to an overturn and relisting at MFD and so on... :-) The other thing is that it doesn't appear to suffer from excessive red tape just yet, but we'll just see where it goes. MFD seems like the best and most painless option for now. <small style="background:#fff;border:#008080 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">east<big style="color:#090">. 718 at 07:16, April 6, 2008

Hey
Is there anything I can do to completely unblock wiki account Skuzz0r (it's mine)? --Scuzzhxc (talk) 16:24, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Oucho.png
01:44, 5 April 2008 East718 deleted "Image:Oucho.png" ‎(CSD I5: Non-free image that was not used for more than seven days) There were 2 tags on this image as you may remember. The fact that the image was unused is obviously subsidiary to the non-free point, as it was under the non-free claim that it was removed from Ed Petrie by Islander, and also the "not used" tag carried a later date (it said the image would be deleted after 5 April - a day later) What's the rationale, and in any case shouldn't the image talk page remain. Thanks for any help Damson88 (talk) 16:47, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Kristoffer "Garm" Rygg picture deletion
Hey!! I'm too lazy to read ALL the rules around here, so maybe I'm missing another point. However, the Rygg's photo I posted over here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristoffer_Rygg is a photo that I took and that belongs to me. If you believe that I can't show it there, fine. But just wanted to give you the heads up.

Cheerz! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slataviepus (talk • contribs)


 * Just FYI -- you restored this image but left the speedy tag in place. Mango juice talk 18:42, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Miletich Fighting Systems-Status Update
What is the status of the article and, more importantly, why exactly was it placed back under full-protection when it was reduced to semi-protection a while back. There are good edits that can improve that page that are being placed on hold while we wait. I feel that if there are further difficulties agreeing on what should be done with the page, then it can at least be discussed openly on the talk page. Thanks for hearing me out.Unak78 (talk) 14:29, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick response. I was unaware of the legal issues concerning the Miletich camp so I'm interested in researching it.  On another note here is a transcript of my proposed changes:


 * Request that article Miletich Fighting Systems (IFL camp) as an extension of the existing article. Concensus was previously reached in the discussion for the proposed merger for two other articles of the same nature.  The discussion is being archived and can be seen on the IFL Talk Page.  Due to the current state of this article I did not include it in the merger discussion but the same caveats that applied to the two articles in question also apply here.  In addition the code with whicj the article's main logo is displayed has also changed.  Example of the requested changes are as follows with a merge/redirect link from the IFL article:

Miletich Fighting Systems (MFS) is a mixed martial arts (MMA) training organization.

IFL Fight Team
Miletich Fighting Systems is one of the camps participating in the International Fight League. Coached by former UFC Lightweight Champion Pat Miletich, Miletich Fighting Systems takes place of the Quad City Silverbacks who were the first IFL team champions.

Miletich Fighting Systems was established in 2008 when the IFL switched to a more camp based system then a team based system.

Record/Roster
(All records are IFL fights only).

a = fought as an alternate bought, that does not go towards team record

o = fought as an opening bought, that does not go towards team record

GP = fought during the individual Grand Prix, that does not go towards team record

Current fighters as of 2008 season
def Jay Estrada by submission (guillotine choke) in the second round (05/19/07) o
 * LC Davis (2-1) (LW) ALTERNATE

def Conor Heun by decision (unanimous) (08/02/07) o lost to Wagney Fabiano by submission (armbar) in the first round (12/29/07) GP

def Mike Pyle by KO in the first round (4/29/06)
 * Rory Markham (6-2) (WW)

def Brad Blackburn by KO in the second round (6/03/06)

def Marcelo Azevedo by TKO in the first round (9/23/06)

def Keith Wisniewski by TKO (corner stoppage) in the third round (11/02/06)

lost to Chris Wilson by TKO (ref stoppage) in the first round (12/29/06)

was supposed to face Jay Hieron on 2/02/07 but underwent eye surgery, alternate Victor Moreno fought instead

def Pat Healy by TKO in the third round (04/07/07)

was supposed to face Mark Miller on 5/19/07 but was injured during training, alternate Josh Neer fought instead

def Chris Clements by TKO (strikes) in the first round (08/02/07)

was supposed to face Delson Heleno in the IFL Finals but suffered an injury from his last fight, thus alternate Jake Ellenberger fought instead

lost to Brett Cooper by TKO (strikes) in the second round (12/29/07) GP

IFL Middleweight Champion
def. Amir Rahnavardi by unanimous decision (4/29/06)
 * Ryan McGivern (6-4) (MW)

def Dennis Hallman by unanimous decision (6/03/06)

lost to Fabio Leopoldo by submission in the second round (9/23/06)

lost to Joe Doerksen by submission (rear naked choke) in the first round (11/02/06)

def Matt Horwhich by unanimous decision (12/29/06)

lost to Benji Radach by TKO (strikes) in the second round (02/02/07)

def Daniel Molina by unanimous decision (04/07/07)

lost to Tim Kennedy by submission (guillotine choke) in the second round (05/19/07)

was supposed to face Benji Radach in the IFL 2007 semi finals but was on his honeymoon, thus Gerald Harris who normally fights for the Portland Wolfpack fought instead

def Fabio Leopoldo by TKO in the second round (09/20/07)

def Matt Horwich by decision (unanimous) to win the IFL Middleweight Champion (02/29/08)

lost to Reese Andy by split decision (6/03/06)
 * Mike Ciesnolevicz (5-3) (LHW)

lost to Andre Gusmao by TKO in the second round (9/23/06)

def Brent Beauparlant by submission (guillotine choke) in the first round (11/02/06)

def Aaron Stark by TKO (guillotine choke/ref stoppage) in the third round (12/29/06)

def Alex Schoenauer by decision (split) (02/02/07)

was supposed to face Vernon "Tiger" White on 4/07/07 but suffered a broken nose from his bout with Schoenauer. Thus alternate Sam Hoger fought instead.

def Adam Maciejewski by TKO (strikes) in the second round (05/19/07)

def Alex Schoenauer by decision (split) (08/02/07)

lost to Andre Gusmao by KO in the first round (09/20/07)

Former Fighters
def. John Shackelford by TKO in the 2nd round (4/29/06)
 * Bart Palaszewski (8-3) (LW)

def Steve Bruno by KO in the first round (6/03/06)

def Marcio Feitosa by decision (split) (9/23/06)

def Ivan Menjivar by decision (split) (11/02/06)

def Ryan Schultz by KO in the third round (12/29/06) (Clinched IFL World Team Championship)

lost to Chris Horodecki by decision (split) (02/02/07)

def John Gunderson by decision (split) (04/07/07)

def John Strawn by KO (punch) in the first round (05/19/07)

def Harris Sarmiento by submission (guillotine choke) in the third round (08/02/07)

lost to Deividas Taurosevicius by submission (armbar) in the second round (09/20/07)

lost to Chris Horodecki by decision (split) (11/03/07) GP

left to fight for Midwest Combat

New design
Hi, I think you remember me. Well, come look at my newly designed userspace! (Don't worry, I'v been focusing on mainspace edits)--<font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">RyRy5 <font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Got something to say? 01:44, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Any comments? Also, I noticed this. Maybe you/I should MFD it if it goes to far like mine. Not that I'm jealous, it's just that I don't want the same thing to happen again. Thanks.--<font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">RyRy5 <font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Got something to say?  01:47, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:Oysterfestival.jpg
Could Image:Oysterfestival.jpg please be restored for use in the Norwalk Oyster Festival article? 67.86.73.252 (talk) 04:57, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi! I've restored the image, do with it what you want. :-) <small style="background:#fff;border:#8b0000 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">east<big style="color:#090">. 718 at 01:06, April 8, 2008
 * Thank you very much for the restoration. 67.86.73.252 (talk) 01:11, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

tiananment square
the style guide you refer to makes an exception for temporary NPOV templates; indeed, it's why we see NPOV templates at all! Could you put my edition to a vote, since it is very pertinent, and doesn't violate the no disclaimer style guide. (read especially the end of that guide)

Imagine if no one in Australia could edit the Sydney article! While that is true, the article should certainly reflect it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.122.97.186 (talk) 12:29, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The template you put on top of the article wasn't a template about an NPOV dispute, but a disclaimer. While your intent was admirable, it's just silly to go around slapping these things on articles - you wouldn't put a messagebox on top of ass to mouth that it might be blocked at some workplaces, would you? <small style="background:#fff;border:#8b0000 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">east<big style="color:#090">. 718 at 01:06, April 8, 2008

List of television stations in North America by media market
Hello. I was wondering if you could restore all of the deleted television market templates on this page. They are notable for being media markets of television stations.

The markets are below:
 * Template:Mazatlán TV
 * Template:Veracruz, VE TV
 * Template:Mérida TV
 * Template:Cancun TV
 * Template:Acapulco TV
 * Template:Cayman Islands TV

Thank you. RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 00:55, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll make sure htey get used :) RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 01:05, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Reply
Thank you for your kind words. I hope you can support my nomination of an article undergoing FA status. Look at the talk page of Jesus. Comments?--<font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">RyRy5 <font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Got something to say? 01:15, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I hope you can support this. Thanks!--<font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">RyRy5 <font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Got something to say?  01:42, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I withdrew it. I think I will stick with GA noms for now. I have left a note at the talk page of here 2 days ago.--<font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">RyRy5 <font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Got something to say?  01:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Ridgway photo
Hi, You recently deleted an image I uploaded Image:Gary Ridgway.jpg. I thought I had a good fair use rationale for the photo, is there some step I didn't do properly? Thanks...Grillo7 (talk) 04:34, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Reverting
Nice to see people working at this time. I've just been reverting vandals. Well, I'll be offline soon. Continue your fine work.--<font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">RyRy5 <font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Got something to say? 06:33, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

User talk:MudkipLurve
Username block of yours from about a week ago, currently requesting unblocking. Possibly there was some mudkip-themed attack going on at the time, or something else, but if not I'd kinda like to try a trial unblock and see how things go. Thoughts? – Luna Santin  (talk) 20:35, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Alrighty, done. Thanks. With my luck this'll be Grawp. :p – Luna Santin  (talk) 20:42, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Myspace in EL
Hi, I just stopped to know one thing that myspace is used in multiple articles as external link. I am confused if it should be used. Per WP:EL, Myspace should be avoided.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 20:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Lipodissolve/Injection Lipolysis wiki
Dear East718:

All has been quiet in SockPuppet land on the Injection Lipolysis wiki. . . . until recently.

I have a COI, so I should/will not remove the recent anonymous (IP address only) edit to the wiki. That said, the recent edit is clearly biased, so in the event you were still watching the wiki, I thought I would point it out.

The previously rampant SockPuppetry on that wiki has largely subsided because the two organizations that were responsible went out of business. But some stragglers remain.

Thanks!

Agincourtboy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.56.203 (talk) 11:59, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If you come across an edit like that that obviously runs afoul of our neutrality policy, you can remove it regardless of any conflict of interest you might have. <small style="background:#fff;border:#800080 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">east<big style="color:#090">. 718 at 01:25, April 11, 2008

Really fast
I'm over halfway done with Fairuse in under 8 hours! This is awesome and my processor hasn't gone on strike. Thanks for the quick recode.  MBisanz  talk 12:18, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Just wondering..
Sometimes I wiki stuff here and even though I don't edit using my IP address I was just wondering why while when I was looking at articles and editors and went to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=User_talk:East718&action=edit it gave me : You are currently unable to edit pages on Wikipedia. etc. etc. etc. The block is set to expire: 01:24, 10 April 2008. I don't really care about that, but then when I went to: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:East718&action=edit and got the same thing except-you are currently unable to edit pages on Wikipedia. the instructions provided in the "additional information" section below.. The block is set to expire: 00:00, 1 June 2008.

I use this account to edit, and I don't care that my IP address is now blocked from editing, but I was just wondering if you knew why the two block dates were different Stot (talk) 01:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:13038.jpg
Please do not delete the Image. Just wait for 2 minutes. I am providing the fair use license.Kensplanet (talk) 05:56, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I can't type that fast
I know speedy is quick but deleting the image before I've even finished editing the page and not giving me even a couple of minutes to remove the speedy delete template and add the affirmation that the author is currently completing the GFDL form letter is a bit too quick....<font color="#009000"> johnmark† 14:24, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * thanks for the comment. Also I didn't realise I had taken the links out of my signature - it may explain why bots have been following me and adding 'unsigned comments added by user ...'etc when I had already signed them - the bots must look for the links, rgds <font color="#009000"> johnmark†talk to me 22:59, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Enchanted Dreamz Car & Bike Club
Can you please help to add Enchanted Dreamz? I see theres many motorcycle clubs on wikipedia but not many car clubs or lowrider clubs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Enchanteddrmzceo (talk • contribs) 19:23, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:114th Reactivated.png
I do not understand why this image that I recently uploaded was removed. The image was scanned from a signed copy of the published book that was written by my wife's great grandfather and handed down to her. The scan is of an actual document that was issued Jan 10th, 1969. --Mrxaero (talk) 22:25, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Inappropriate block
You chose to indefinitely block User:FlagTheError. I previously alerted you to avoid biting the newbies and that this user is not a sock of mine and lives a long distance from me. There is some discussion of this here and here. Can you consider fixing this, though this user is quite discouraged. DanaUllmanTalk 04:01, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I was going to give some good faith to Flagtheerror about how to avoid further blocks, and how to convince East718 to unblock him, but when I was still starting to write the comment I looked at the time of the block and I loled --Enric Naval (talk) 13:28, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Enric, East718 will tell you that I emailed him on April 3rd shortly after FlagTheError alerted me to the block. I realize now that I should have just posted the comment at East's user page so that we could have avoid Enric's hyper-suspicious remarks where he again tries to throw mud at me...but throwing mud is getting him more and more dirty. I also alerted Flagtheerror to say that s/he could email East718 directly, though this newbie didn't know how to do that. DanaUllmanTalk 13:51, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Dana, I think you should ignore this situation. Let the user request unblock on their own, and stop taking the bait. Jehochman Talk 14:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I wasn't throwing mud at you, Dana, and sorry if I unadvertingly BAITed you. At the end, I just left some good faith advice on Flagtheerror's talk page to help him getting unblocked, since he can perfectly be just a good faith editor unrelated to you that wants to defend your reputation for some reason. East718 has more experience and has all the information, so I am sure that he can clear this and guide Flag on getting himself unblocked. --Enric Naval (talk) 18:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

colonelalexandercampbellofpossil.jpg & mrsalexandercampbellofpossil.jpg
Hello Esat718. You have accidentally deleted these 2 images. They are perfectly legal to upload here (I am a lawyer) as they are out of copyright as the artist has died a long time ago (Sir Henry Raeburn) please put them back on in the next 10mins or I shall do so. Thank you for your concern.

User:craigenputtock —Preceding unsigned comment added by Craigenputtock (talk • contribs)

Block
Thank you for blocking User:64.230.6.132. They were vandalising my user pages. I hope they are really blocked. Thanks, Gaia Octavia Agrippa T | C 12:16, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

ElisaEXPLOSiON
When do you plan to restore Elisa's award, userbox, and guestbook page? <font face="High Tower Text" size="3" color="#4682B4">Basketball <font face="High Tower Text" size="3" color="Orange">110 <font size="3" face="High Tower Text" color="#808080">Talk 23:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * When she's unblocked? dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 00:41, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, 2 months for obvious socking and continuing to deny it is extremely generous to begin with. If/when she comes back after the block, we could discuss restoring them.  MBisanz  talk 00:50, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Request
I'm a Sysop on another wiki and I know, being an admin, that it's possible to access any version of a deleted image. Anyways, I was wondering if you could somehow retrieve an image that you've deleted. I'm not asking for a restoration; I'm planning to take the image and use the picture on one of our articles. Perhaps we could workout some sort of rapidshare/megaupload transfer so I could download it myself.

Something tells me that you'd decline, though. I'd appreciate it if you'll help. DiamondDragon <small style="color:red;">talk 02:40, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, thanks. Yeah... I thought this kind of request was out of line or something, especially if the image was deleted for legal reasons...  Thanks for your help :D  DiamondDragon <small style="color:red;">talk  01:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Abarenbo Shogun
Hi East718, Noticed you deleted the old Talk page for an article I started long ago. Wondering if there was anything worth merging into Talk:Abarenbō Shōgun. Fg2 (talk) 03:32, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply! Fg2 (talk) 08:47, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Request for undeletion
Hi East718, COuld you please undelete my file IAMsvsGCMs.png? I had just added a "hangon" tag and was about to add a "fairuse" tag, but was unable to because the page had been deleted. I believe the image was in agreement with the copyright statement http://www.occ.gov.uk/copyright.htm and Wikipedia's Non-free content policies. It was taking longer than a few minutes to add the fair use tag because the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Tagging_fair_use_image_files links to part of the page that is no longer there. Thanks. Woood (talk) 04:47, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * All appears well now, thanks. Woood (talk) 09:08, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Request for Speedy Deletion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Lynn_Best

Could you please delete this article?

Reason for deletion: "blantant advertising".

A template that was uncontested for five days has been on this wiki page. Like the Mike Watt page you deleted, this page also is used by the same author to blantantly advertise his amateur acting/writing career. Thanx for helping to make Wiki a better place and thanx for your time spent on wiki page maintenance.Poyoyloar (talk) 04:58, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Kingston Canadian Film Festival
Hello East718! :) In December last year, the page for the Kingston Canadian Film Festival was proposed for deletion. You deleted it after five days, as was expected. I feel someone should have contested it because only last month the festival held its 8th annual celebration as the biggest festival for Canadian-only films. I was disappointed to not find it listed here and I would appreciate knowing the reasons why it was deleted. If the reasons were content related, would it be possible to restore the page so that I might try and improve the article? I can easily find reputable websites referencing the festival. Thank you! --Count3d (talk) 08:28, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll get to work on that page right away!--Count3d (talk) 04:02, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Deletion log
What is all this stuff and why is it showing up in my watch list? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 11:48, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "unnecessary" talk pages? The pages that showed up in my watch list are now red-link talk pages on actual articles. What did you do? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 11:57, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I see what it is. You deleted content from talk pages that are redirects, such as this. But if there is discussion on those pages, why would you delete it? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 11:58, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't get it. If there is content on those talk pages, it should stay. And if there isn't content, there's nothing to delete. Please explain. Or can you give me an example of one you're about to delete and haven't yet, so I can understand? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 12:05, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I see. When a page is moved, the talk content moves with it, leaving a redirect from the article (which makes sense) and a redirect from the talk page (which is "not needed", for reasons you've stated). Roger. Carry on. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 12:12, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Deletions of old talk pages
I have noticed that you delete "old" (say 22 days old) talk pages. Does it correspond an official WP policy? I would like to ask you not to do this, as many articles and their talk pages are rarely edited, but the talks are still very relevant. If you want to save some space, could you please archive the talk pages instead? Thank you. Biophys (talk) 12:18, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that's O'K. Now I see what you are doing. Thanks.Biophys (talk) 12:24, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

deleted orphaned redirect talk pages
I'm not sure if you are doing this manually or using a bot of some sort, but if its a manual method, you should know that there are probably several hundred of these in the unit articles within the Military History Project. This happened when the project adopted a new naming convention.--mrg3105 (comms) ♠ ♥ ♦ ♣ 12:20, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * How does a bot like that work if you don't mind me asking?--mrg3105 (comms) ♠ ♥ ♦ ♣ 12:29, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Ahhh, I should have known...the old "friend with access to the toolserver" trick ;o) Cheers--mrg3105 (comms) ♠ ♥ ♦ ♣ 12:49, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Incoming links to talk page redirects
Re: this. There are still some incoming links to some of the talk page redirects you are deleting. Not many, and not very important ones (many are links to bot-generated lists), but referring to them as "orphaned" is not strictly correct. Also, redirects are cheap. Will deleting 35,000 redirects actually help? Carcharoth (talk) 12:47, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Example: Talk:Hetmans of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. I just moved the page yesterday & it still has a few links. So it also fails the "week old" test. Renata (talk) 13:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The Talk:Hetmans is there. Click on the redlink here, then go to the article, then return to the Talk,,,,see last posing Mikkalai 03:20, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)--mrg3105 (comms) ♠ ♥ ♦ ♣ 13:42, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * There were no links of use pointing towards the page. The deletion after 0 days appears to be an interesting bug caused by the usage of a ceiling function, which I've now ironed out. <small style="background:#fff;border:#191970 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">east<big style="color:#090">. 718 at 13:47, April 13, 2008

Unauthorised adminbot?
I just tried to post a message here laying out irrefutable evidence that you're running an adminbot on this account. Ended up in an edit conflict with mrg3105. Following the thread led me to where you openly state on mrg3105's talk page that you're running a bot on your account to delete pages.

I don't understand. When last I checked, running an unauthorised adminbot on your admin account was about as forbidden as it gets. Grounds for an emergency desysop even. Has the bot policy changed? Have you actually been given permission to run an adminbot on your account?

Hesperian 12:52, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I frankly don't see what the problem is. I know this is verging dangerously close to rules-lawyering, but if your definition of "unapproved" is "approved by BRFA and RFA", then no, this robot is not approved. That said, there are circumstances under which normally untoward behavior may be acceptable, but only when the full implications are understood and considered carefully. This is exactly what I've done - this bot has been vetted and run by several other admins in the past to the tune of over 130,000 deletions with absolutely no error rate. Considering that removing useless pages is a reasonable thing to do in my eyes, I figured since the job can be done and there's no reasonable process within which to do it (an adminbot policy), I might as well go ahead. I also don't see why running this robot is inherently evil; I have been trusted by the community to use my buttons and I'm making a good use of them - I take full responsibility for my actions and am prepared to face the consequences should something mess up. Lastly, it's not as if I write adminbots with some devious intent to damage Wikipedia - quite the contrary. It's performing a task that I'd do manually anyway with an accuracy most flesh-and-blood administrators would envy.

That said, here's why I'm deleting all these pages: being orphaned, they serve absolutely no internal value, as nobody will ever arrive at it from a link and being how we don't search in the Talk: namespace. They only amount to clutter that is prone to all sorts of foolishness - I recently went through all Image talk: pages and found tons of vandalism; those I passed off to another administrator to delete. More unwanted effects of these pages existing is that they may prevent future pagemoves, and also waste resources in fixing whenever the target changes. Also, since these pages have no history, no discussion ever took place on them at any time.

I welcome whatever other comments you have, provided they don't contains threats of emergency desysopping, something we reserve only for compromised or vandalizing accounts. :-) <small style="background:#fff;border:#800080 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">east<big style="color:#090">. 718 at 13:08, April 13, 2008


 * More and more it seems that people here actively seek to read benign comments as threats or personal attacks. Perhaps we should give this trend a name: "The Mikkalai effect" has a nice ring to it.
 * I have no opinion or comment on this issue except that if it is now considered acceptable to run an unauthorised adminbot, then community standards on this point have altered beyond recognition in the last year or so.
 * This requires wider discussion. I'll move this discussion to AN/I.
 * Hesperian 13:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * "this bot has been vetted and run by several other admins in the past to the tune of over 130,000 deletions" - could you expand on that bit. Also, do you check that there are no redirects pointing at the redirects (ie. double redirects)? If there are, then you are creating work for User:RedirectCleanupBot, and if one of your deletions is incorrect, then the subsequent deletion by RedirectCleanupBot will be wrong as well. And I still see links pointing to talk page redirects that you have deleted. See here (User:B/NFL data 4 had a link to Talk:Jack Thompson (American football) that now fails to redirect to Talk:Jack Thompson (American football player). There are plenty of other examples. Most of the links are to "quality assessment" logs, but whether links from those places should be turned red (most are archived to the page history eventually) could be discussed. Again, I ask you, where were the discussions held about this, in the past and now? Carcharoth (talk) 13:22, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * "since these pages have no history, no discussion ever took place on them at any time" - um, these are redirects left behind by page moves. The reason they don't have history is because the pages got moved and the edit history is in a new location! Maybe you mean redirects that were edited and then turned back into a redirect? Carcharoth (talk) 13:24, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Re the WP 1.0 ones, they will fix themselves the next time WP 1.0 bot runs. I've had that situation before with WP 1.0 assessments pointing to pages that either no longer exist or are no longer located where they were. Orderinchaos 13:26, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Finally, since you are using a bot, why not get the bot to update the pages to the new links, while ignoring pages that transclude Log? Carcharoth (talk) 13:29, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Some more points I'm not clear on:
 * "I recently went through all Image talk: pages and found tons of vandalism; those I passed off to another administrator to delete." - could you provide examples and more details? Carcharoth (talk) 13:32, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "More unwanted effects of these pages existing is that they may prevent future pagemoves" - really? How? Carcharoth (talk) 13:32, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "and also waste resources in fixing whenever the target changes." - I agree with this - you are referring to double redirects, right? I have a horrible feeling I have only ever fixed article double redirects when moving, and have never checked for talk page double redirects... Carcharoth (talk) 13:32, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

could you expand on that bit. Sure. This bot was coded by Misza13 (it's open-source and can be grabbed from his toolserver repository), and has been run many times in the past by himself, DerHexer, MZMcBride, myself, and anybody else who does it secretly.

Also, do you check that there are no redirects pointing at the redirects (ie. double redirects)? Yes, I do (redirects are a valid link).

''And I still see links pointing to talk page redirects that you have deleted. See here (User:B/NFL data 4 had a link to Talk:Jack Thompson (American football) that now fails to redirect to Talk:Jack Thompson (American football player).'' I intentionally did not check for report pages. Most of these will be updated by the WP 1.0 bot very soon, the rest wouldn't be useful anyway - what's there to report on with contentless pages?

Finally, since you are using a bot, why not get the bot to update the pages to the new links, while ignoring pages that transclude Log? I am not confident that I'd be able to do this with perfection.

could you provide examples and more details? Sure, MZMcBride was responsible for those deletions.

''really? How?'' Whenever the target is changed and a bot updates the redirect, it destroys the ability for a non-administrator to move over that page, now that the redirect now has a history.

I agree with this - you are referring to double redirects, right? Exactly. <small style="background:#fff;border:#ccc 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">east<big style="color:#090">. 718 at 13:46, April 13, 2008

Please stop the bot
East, could you please stop the bot as there are enough people objecting now that this needs to be discussed. It should have been discussed beforehand, of course, so please let me know where the discussion is. Thanks. Carcharoth (talk) 12:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you stopped at 12:57. Thanks. Where should this be discussed? Carcharoth (talk) 13:07, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What was happening? I did indeed see a lot of deletions of redirected talk pages on my watchlist, but all of them were sound ones. Orderinchaos 13:19, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure there are objections though the effect of having my watchlist painted red was startling ;o)
 * Nah, keep going...it needed a clean out--mrg3105 (comms) ♠ ♥ ♦ ♣ 13:37, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Adminbot request
Would you have time to look at this? The consensus there seems to be that the images listed at User:Nilfanion/SVGlist need to be undeleted (even the blue ones, as Commons images may be showing through). The undeletion should also clear the db tags left by Betacommand. I don't personally object to adminbots, but they should be used to reverse admins actions as well. Carcharoth (talk) 13:05, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk:President-still-living-who-was-President-earlier-than-any-other-Presidents-who-are-also-currently-alive
Would it be possible to place the comments from that talk page onto the page to which it has since been moved? I think that this is important as the topic of the title is still under discussion. HuskyHuskie (talk) 14:56, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. HuskyHuskie (talk) 17:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Terminology confusion
Just to clear one thing up. Do you realise that some people use "orphaned talk pages" to refer to talk pages where the corresponding article has been deleted? See User:Interiot/Reports/CSD-G8 orphaned talk pages. Orphan and other definitions refer to lack of incoming links, which is the sense in which you are using it. Wrote this earlier - forgot to save it! Carcharoth (talk) 16:09, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Image tags. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. EdwinHJ | Talk 16:13, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk Page Redirects
Please do not delete talk page redirects anymore. At least not without a proper discussion at WP:R or other suitable community page. Talk page redirects are helpful; not harmful. They meet almost every criteria of when not to delete a redirect. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:36, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * East, who else uses that admin bot code? They need to know about this as well. Carcharoth (talk) 19:29, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm obviously going to refrain from doing this anymore, and would love to discuss this with you somewhere else. To Carcaroth, the admins that I know of that run this are myself, MZMcBride, Misza13, and DerHexer - the last of whom actually imported the practice from the German Wikipedia, where it's standard practice - you might want to ask him how that idea was born. <small style="background:#fff;border:#090 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">east<big style="color:#090">. 718 at 09:14, April 14, 2008
 * A Steward, no less! dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 09:18, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * OK. Thanks. I will leave them notes, but for now: "One such discussion started at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion. I've also proposed that anyone who wants to expand the current criteria for speedy deletion of redirects do so over there." Carcharoth (talk) 10:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

RFA Thanks
Thank you for your comments on my RFA. Even though it failed with 28 supports, 42 opposes, and 15 neutrals, I am grateful for the suggestions and advice I have received and I do hope to improve as a Wikipedian. If you ever need my help in any endeavor, feel free to drop me a line. -- Shark face  217  19:49, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Bluelinked talk page redirects
While quickly looking through the 10,000+ list to check they were all the same sort of deletion, I noticed some had turned blue. Would you have time to have a look at my analysis? It was quite interesting following up on the varied reactions to a deletion run like that! Carcharoth (talk) 20:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Talk:Axis powers talk page reconnected with its page
 * Talk:IKEA Ampere Way tram stop moved and then moved back
 * Talk:Hetmans of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth you restored this one
 * Talk:Grand Duchy of Lithuania talk page reconnected with its redirect
 * Talk:Fort William, Highland you got someone very confused
 * Talk:Father Divine moved back over redirect
 * Talk:Brookfield High School (Ottawa) article moved back over redirect
 * Talk:Bleimor (Breton Scouting organization) restored by another admin
 * Talk:Ajax (automobile) strange...
 * Talk:Kiev tumbler recreated followed by me doing this


 * All this hysteria is because deletions and page moves started showing up on the watchlist. Previously no one noticed them. I knew about them only because one day I was looking at my edit count and noticed huge amount of deleted contributions... When I investigated, most of them were speedy tags and talk page redirects. So, in short, stop panicking and let the guy do his job :) Renata (talk) 20:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the magic of a wiki is that consensus can change once people become aware of others' actions :) Silence and consensus Grace notes T § 20:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * As I've said elsewhere, best practice is not always the same as current practice. See this for a dissenting opinion. This is why discussion is always best. I've also said that with deletions showing up on watchlists, admins that do lots of maintenance like this will get a lot more questions, some from people who are not as reasonable or verbose as me (ie. some people will be rude and abusive and then walk away), and some people will misunderstand what is happening. If East has a discussion to point to, to say "this was discussed and approved here", then there will be less problems. Carcharoth (talk) 20:16, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Copyrighted image
Would you be able to deal with this? Appears to have been uploaded by an SPA and looks like an obvious copyvio. Can't remember the right tag for it. Carcharoth (talk) 19:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Deleting pages
Hello East718, How can I delete unused pages I once created as workplaces. I just could blank them out (like: User:Apocolocynthosis/Shamtanchian: destroyed monasteries) but cannot delete them totally myself. There might be other blank pages beginning with 'User:Apocolocynthosis/' that can be deleted. regards Apocolocynthosis (talk) 20:12, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help! I deleted the subpage myself.
 * How can I see what other pages there are? (I only need those two which are not blank: User: Apocolocynthosis/Armenian notables deported from the Ottoman capital in 1915, User: Apocolocynthosis/Armenian notables deported from the Ottoman capital in 1916) I cannot remember what the exact names of the others were. Thanx a lot again!!!! Apocolocynthosis (talk) 09:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

CPcolour.jpg
OK I made some mistake somewhere in placing this image. As the owner of this image I thought I had 'checked' the correct usage statement. Obviously not, you have deleted it. Please indicate what you would wish to see and I will rectify my mistake.

Many thanks for the help and the pointers, much appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unkle jimmy (talk • contribs) 19:25, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Unkle jimmy (talk) 22:44, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

deleted image
you deleted an image i was just wondering what one it was. no worries.Moonraker0022 (talk) 05:40, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * haha no... it was labeled 2006 14 or something like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moonraker0022 (talk • contribs)

Persecution of my account by Poyoyloar
Hello - this is the only message I'll send so as to not innundate the editors. A few months ago, I attempted to test my Wikipedia skills by creating entries for two people who I actually happened to know something about. Yes, I've worked with them on their magazine, but I felt that their contributions to the independent film community had some merit. If Wikipedia feels otherwise, then so be it and I appologize in advance. However, a user named Poyoyloar has some vendetta against these two for some reason or another. If you'll direct your attention to his history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Poyoyloar

His first appearance on Wikipedia was April 6 and his sole contributions to the site seems to be in attacking the two articles I created. Now, whether Wikipedia decides to delete these entries or not, again, I'll stand by the decision. But I've grown weary of his attacks and felt that it should come to the attention of the Wikipedia editors. The evidence is plain. If he wants to accuse me of "sockpuppetry" or whatever, there is nothing I can do to prove that I am not Mike Watt, Amy Lynn Best or Dwaltzwriter. I am, as I admitted, acquaintances of theirs, so if that is an offense, then, again, I apologize.

Thank you for your time. ArchieHall (talk) 11:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Image Help
Hi, thanks for finally deleting the Mikedeckin image! I was wondering if you could help me, i uploaded an image earlier today and it didnt upload right or something went wrong, cos its just a pixelated square now !! I want to know how to get rid !! thanks ! (Neostinker (talk) 17:56, 14 April 2008 (UTC))

Image talk page needs deletion
Hi East718. You deleted, but the talk page still is there. Please delete. Thanks! GregManninLB (talk) 19:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

DRV
I do disagree with a non-trivial portion of that that you do, but I don't imagine that you are illiterate (no, I'm not being incivil; you'll see what I mean), so you might well want to address the for Image:Munch vampire.jpg (which you deleted upon its being transwikied to commons, whence it might now be deleted, such that we'd probably simply restore it here), about which it doesn't appear that you were notified. Cheers, Joe 07:09, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Unblocked 128.125.0.0/16
It's too wide a rangeblock for too small a problem; I'll add a narrower block if needed (no need to block a whole university to stop problems in one CS lab). Thanks, Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 02:08, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Block
"Darkstaown" - i see this user was unblocked this morning because of a private request, well he is still vandalising. Realist 2 ( 'Come Speak To Me' ) 22:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Its always worth giving them a second chance, well his last chance is up. Realist 2 ( 'Come Speak To Me' ) 04:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Kalib Starnes page locked
kalib was let go by the ufc for his poor performance at UFC83. the page is locked and I can't add it (and don't want to create an account). do with it as you will.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/mma_experts/post/UFC-cuts-Starnes-after-disgraceful-performance?urn=mma,78124 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.10.137.50 (talk) 22:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, anon! I'm sorry that the actions of a few had to ruin the editing experience for you - but I see somebody's already added this information. <small style="background:#fff;border:#008080 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">east<big style="color:#090">. 718 at 04:44, April 22, 2008

Psychopath (film)
Back in November, you deleted the article Psychopath (film) -- which concered an movie currently in production by John Carpenter. This is verifiable at the IMDB. Why did you delete the article? --Jason Palpatine (talk) 14:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Accusations of socking.
I didn't sock. I've already provided a number of users the evidence which clears me. I'm more than willing to email you if you want that evidence. JoshuaZ (talk) 17:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I didn't even know that was possible
I knew that pages could be protected from moves, but protection to allow only bureaucrats to move a page, now that's something I've never seen before! &mdash; scetoaux (T|C)  21:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, disregard that. I never even looked in the logs. :P  No wonder I've never seen that done before! &mdash;  scetoaux (T|C)  21:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Ha!
Nice edit summary! Gave me a good chuckle. -- Flyguy649 talk 21:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I dared Veinor to try it out, they haven't yet! ;) It did make me smile! Woody (talk) 21:42, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

User:Pageview bot (redundant pages}
Can I assist on this for you guys ? Pedro : Chat  20:53, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll leave it to the pros! Pedro : Chat  20:56, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Zombie theme songs and bands
I am writing to see why the list of zombie theme songs and bands was proposed to be deleted? The information was all legit. I'd be happy to do any edits that are needed. Thanks - Inkblotto (talk) 23:25, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:Barber cross.jpg
Hello. I saw it was you, who. Can you please tell me, from its deleted description page, was there any information about the offwiki source / author of the picture, anything that justifies the choice of the license. It seems that this data has gone lost during the transfer to Commons. Thank you in advance. :) --Spiritia (talk) 14:14, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Deleting media copied to Commons
Hi. Please check images on Commons before deleting copies here. The bots that do much of the transfering and "checking" (too often without a user bothering to look at the work) are idiots, and mangled misinformation is unfortunately frequent. I strongly urge you to check and if necessary fix the copies on Commons before deleting the local copy. Thanks, -- Infrogmation (talk) 14:52, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:HotRod.png
You didn't provide a source. --Geniac (talk) 05:04, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks
Thanks for supporting my recent request for adminship which was successful with 89 supports, 0 opposes, and 2 neutrals. Unfortunately all I can offer is this lame text thanks rather than some fancy-smancy thank-you spam template thingy. I was very pleased to receive such strong support and to hear so many nice comments from editors whom I respect. I’ll do my best with the tools, and if you ever see me going astray don’t hesitate to drop a note on my talk page. Thanks again for your support!--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 03:36, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

My Sandbox
It was my understanding that Sandboxes could be used to assist a user in keeping track of things to do, and monitoring possible bad faith contributions was what I was doing. The note at the top of the page was clear that it did not mean any listed individual was for sure doing that, and the stick in butt comment was actually a joking self-reference to myself if you read it clearer. If the sandbox is still inappropriate after knowing that, I'll acknowledge that. Hooper (talk) 21:33, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Proposing unblock of User:Tachyonbursts
Hi East718. User:Tachyonbursts who you recently indef blocked for making legal threats has withdrawn the threat. I am proposing that we unblock this account, but keep a careful eye on it, since I suspect it may be a sockpuppet account - though I can't identify a specific likely puppetmaster. I'd like to get your input as the blocking admin before I take action. Thanks, Gwernol 23:51, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Checkuser came back unrelated, so we are unable at this time to establish sock puppetry. I recommend unblocking, but apply the remedy spelled out at Requests_for_arbitration/September 11 conspiracy theories to topic ban this account from anything related to 9/11.  They were put on notice, and then continued to make disruptive edits.  The arbitration enforcement discussion of this editor's behavior can be found here. Jehochman Talk 23:57, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That would make a lot of sense to me. Gwernol 23:59, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Go right ahead - do whatever you guys feel is the best course of action. <small style="background:#fff;border:#4682b4 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">east<big style="color:#090">. 718 at 03:14, April 27, 2008
 * Apologies, I wasn't aware that this was being discussed elsewhere. I just asked East about the unblock and he didn't object, so I've went ahead and done it.  You guys can keep an eye on the user. - Rjd0060 (talk) 03:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Image:Syriana.jpg
An editor has asked for a of Image:Syriana.jpg. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Chimeric Glider (talk) 18:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Next time I will notify the deleting administrator before initiating a deletion review. Sorry if I have done discourtesy. Chimeric Glider (talk) 00:32, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

NYB comments
Hello - up above your comments, NYB asked that no one make reference to the events that led to his departure. Your comments aren't exactly explicit, but I think coming at the top they may encourage folks to make similar comments. Would you reconsider refactoring it a bit? <strong style="color:#000;background:#fff;border:0px solid #000">Avruch <strong style="color:#000;background:#fff;border:0px solid #000"> T 14:40, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Must not have noticed that - this is what a lack of coffee in the morning does. :( <small style="background:#fff;border:#090 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">east<big style="color:#090">. 718 at 14:44, April 29, 2008

Mavol
This user, whom you blocked indefinitely a while back for spamming, is requesting unblock and claiming you have a conflict of interest in blocking him. I'm letting you so you can respond on his page. Daniel Case (talk) 14:03, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, Daniel. Their accusations are abject nonsense, and I invite you to look through that user's contributions over the past three years (which has only been to spam their website). I'm going to contact a couple other admins who handle this sort of stuff more often than I do and ask for a second opinion. <small style="background:#fff;border:#8b0000 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">east<big style="color:#090">. 718 at 14:38, April 30, 2008

Re: Question about spam blocks
FisherQueen beat me to it, however I left some notes under the decline. Good block, obviously sneaky spamming with a COI.--Hu12 (talk) 15:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Need a deletion reversed of yours
Hi! You deleted the Twinkle gadget, but the removal by Ral315 was overruled as consensus exists it should not have been removed in the first place. Would you mind reversing your deletion? The gadget has already been restored to the Gadget mediawiki page. Lawrence Cohen §  t / e  20:41, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I went restoring it. → Aza Toth 20:49, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, AzaToth. See, this is why you need admin tools, Lawrence. :) <small style="background:#fff;border:#090 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">east<big style="color:#090">. 718 at 21:17, April 30, 2008
 * Someday my urge to open my mouth and boggle may subside enough that I might get them. :) If not, c'est la vie, I can try to bang out more FAs... Lawrence Cohen  §  t / e  21:21, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and I never even saw this gadget thing before this. Kinda cool... Lawrence Cohen §  t / e  21:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)