User talk:EasyTherePilgrim

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December 2013
Thank you for your contributions. Please mark your edits, such as your recent edits to Aquaman, as "minor" only if they are minor edits. In accordance with Help:Minor edit, a minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute. Minor edits consist of things such as typographical corrections, formatting changes or rearrangement of text without modification of content. Additionally, the reversion of clear-cut vandalism and test edits may be labeled "minor". Thank you.  Ish dar  ian  04:47, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Your recent editing history at Aquaman shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.  Ish dar  ian  07:01, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Lion vs. Tiger


Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice to inform you that a tag has been placed on Lion vs. Tiger requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

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In response to your request not to edit the article: this is not how Wikipedia works. You have the ability to edit pages offline in a text editor or in your own personal sandbox before posting them as an article. A "week or two" is too long to keep a page lacking almost any information which is ostensibly an encyclopedia article.  Protoss  Pylon  06:37, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Lion vs. Tiger
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 * There's simply no alternative to having a discussion on the talkpage of the existing article and coming to WP:CONSENSUS based on reliable sources for altering its content. DMacks (talk) 19:48, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Your request for undeletion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that a response has been made at Requests for undeletion regarding a submission you made. The thread is Lion vs. Tiger. JohnCD (talk) 22:56, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Your use of multiple Wikipedia accounts
''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   00:05, 4 February 2014 (UTC) Hello. Let me say flat-out 100% that I never used any account other than this one. This all stems from yesterday and the night before, when I attempted to edit the 'Tiger versus Lion' Wikipedia page. It is 100% pro tiger, and tiger fans will retaliate apparently. Not only was I reverted immediately...but now I see that my other Wikipedia edits from the past, on other topics, are being reverted. Though I did nothing wrong, I greatly regret ever trying to do anything regarding the whole Lion/Tiger thing, because it's not worth the hassle. But I absolutely did nothing unethical like using a multiple accounts. It simply appears to be retaliation for daring to post pro-lion stuff (to balance the pro-tiger stuff). I use only one computer, a laptop in Acapulco.EasyTherePilgrim (talk) 00:36, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Looks like the guy who reverted my other edit on the 'Aquaman' page is called 'Pinkbeast' on here. Could be a coincidence, but the timing makes me wonder. The guy who appears to be monitoring the 'Aquaman' page put back some of my content.EasyTherePilgrim (talk) 00:46, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

User:Flat Out, I see you left me a message about some revision or something. I guess I don't know what I'm being accused of. If it's logging in with different usernames, I strongly deny that. But I did try start to create a 'Lion vs. Tiger' page, and it was quickly shut down before I even submitted it. I'm fairly new to this, so I might have been a little sloppy on a few things. But I did nothing wrong as far as deception.EasyTherePilgrim (talk) 01:39, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * EasyTherePilgrim If I have made a mistake I'm sorry, but you need to reply here to make your case. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   01:53, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Now what?
You in a heap o' trouble now, boy.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 02:15, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Blocked as a sockpuppet
Non-admin comment I really think the behavioral evidence here is weaker than it was made to sound on the SPI page. The editors who chimed in there really didn't take into account that this editor can spell and write a coherent sentence but the other one could not. It might be worth running a checkuser just to be sure, because seems to me to have potential to be a productive editor.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 15:42, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry Alf.laylah.wa.laylah I disagree. Both users show the same pattern of citing invalid sources like forum posts/fictions/blogs/cherry picked statements while accusing the valid and reliable sources of the article of being invalid. This is a very bizarre belief that I think no other user would share the same thought, and this has been raised and explained to them by different administrators (not just by contributors) not fewer than a dozen times. And apart from the Ken Spiro citation/edit warring similarities mentioned in investigation, the above appeal clearly show that he assumes other contributors are tiger fans like Golden Prime assumed us in the first place AND they both treat wikipedia as a forum to force their thoughts by taking extreme actions like edit warring / escalating to admin noticeboards / creating article doppelgangers without any discussion - another big similarity between the two accounts. I am a leo born and I have been a lion fan since I was kid but I have been trying to be neutral when editing the article. The article has been edited by many other contributors and remained more or less the same for 4 years. My opinion is that editors assuming bad faith in the first place (i.e. assuming all contributors are tiger fans) and take sides while editing (he claims he writes from a lion fan's POV) can hardly become a productive editor. BigCat82 (talk) 17:14, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Alf.laylah.wa.laylah here - this clearly isn't Golden Prime. It might possibly be meatpuppetry though - another user editing on Golden Prime's behalf. Sadly though, it seems that EasyTherePilgrim may be correct in that other 'Tiger fans' have used the cherry-picked quote from Ken Spiro as 'evidence' in this facile argument. Frankly though, I'm of the opinion that none of this is of any legitimate interest to Wikipedia: any claims that this subject is notable seem to me to be on very shaky ground, and the appropriate solution to all this would be to delete the article entirely. If people want to argue about this nonsense, they can do so elsewhere. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:29, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

With all due respect, in my honest opinion, BigCat82 is being dishonest in everything he says. I will leave it at that. For now, please run an IP address check on me. I'm currently living in Acapulco. Later, after this appeal is over, I hope the admins look into the content of the 'Tiger versus Lion' page. I realize that normally, 99.9% of the time, content is a not the issue. But in this case it actually is. It will show such an extreme and obvious bias...so much so that it provides a motive for the false attacks against me and other "lion fans". EasyTherePilgrim (talk) 17:38, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * You may only have 1 active unblock D  P  14:17, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Non-admin comment Apart from your edit warring engagement and your apparent meat/sock puppetry violations, your respectful ways to the admin who kindly explained to you the reasons for the deletion of your intentionally created tiger/lion page fork were calling him/her a jerk [| like here] AND starting another identical page fork to push your invalid cherry picked statements and sources from fan site posts, while kept falsely accusing ALL the reliable sources of articles of being invalid ("leading to nowhere") like here and  here. Also NONE of your numerous main edits were accepted and constructive so far - all appeared to me that you are probably not here to build an encyclopedia WP:HERE. BigCat82 (talk) 17:26, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Non-admin comment Can't you guys use checkuser to get a handle on what's going on? I really don't think the behavioral evidence is very strong here, and this user really seems to have some potential as an editor.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 18:33, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Running checkuser as explained by DangerousPanda is not necessary as WP:MEAT isn't allowed as well. BigCat82 (talk) 19:15, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Non-admin comment Please also note that WP:MEAT isn't allowed as well, and I have to emphasize that your numerous comments on the verified reliable sources like "Not a single one of them (reliable sources) even goes to a link that has any relevance whatsoever" - your future edits based on this bizarre understanding and definition of citation will only be disruptive in nature like all your previous main edits were (getting reverted by others), and unable to work with other contributors. BigCat82 (talk) 19:15, 12 February 2014 (UTC)


 * It's clear that BigCat82 and I can not come to an understanding of any kind. Not even close.  I disagree with what he says, and I deny all his categorizations of me.  My responding will only further muddy the waters and will be unproductive.  So to repeat, I will not be responding to BigCat82 from here on out, no matter what he says about me. EasyTherePilgrim (talk) 20:24, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * As you were already advised, you may ONLY have 1 unblock request open at a time, Please do not use unblock requests to simply make comments  D  P  10:18, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


 * EasyTherePilgrim I am not asking you to comment on me but your own comments and actions. You have been falsely accusing the existing reliable sources of being invalid to support all your disruptive editing and inappropriate actions like starting content forks, edit warring etc and this was the primary reason why you were suspected sockpuppetry by reviewer User:Flat Out. For examples your edits on articles like Aquaman, Tiger vs Lion and the content forks, were based on your belief that not a single one of them (reliable sources) was valid and thus you deleted many existing valid contents while adding invalid contents based on fan site posts, fan made videos, cherry picked words, etc. Perhaps you have been denying what you have done here so as to get pass the block, just like your denial of personal attacks until we quoted your disrespectful statements. You may choose to continue to deny what you have done but mind you - all your actions have clear records here. Unless you know what's so wrong with your edits, all your future edits will just be as disruptive as all your previous ones and will just be reverted - if you appeal for the unblock with no intention to collaborate with other editors and to make constructive edits (which is quite obvious to me), I recommend administrators take this into serious consideration when reviewing your meatpuppetry/sockpuppetry block. BigCat82 (talk) 10:55, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

(non-admin here) Didn't someone already tell you not to have multiple unblock requests open at the same time? If you'd like to get unblocked, maybe you should follow people's advice? Cathfolant (talk) 20:32, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


 * , this is getting silly. It's been obvious from the beginning that this user is not Golden Prime, and yet the reason he was originally indeffed rather than given a day or a week for behavioral problems is because some overzealous sock-sniffers decided he was Golden Prime.  Now you quite sensibly state that he's not GP, but that he can't be unblocked because he won't stop flipping out and make a GAB compliant request.  Think how you'd feel, though, in his situation.  It's got to be quite disconcerting.  Perhaps it would be good to pretend that his original block was just however long it would have been for edit-warring, assume it'd be over now, unblock him, and see what happens.  I really think he has the potential to be a productive editor given my interactions with him before this fiasco.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 16:00, 13 March 2014 (UTC)


 * You have some good points there, Alf.laylah.wa.laylah, but I am still unhappy about the very real possibility of meatpuppetry. I have decided to compromise, EasyTherePilgrim, by limiting the block to another 48 hours from now. Please bear in mind, though, that Wikipedia is a collaborative project, and unless you can edit collaboratively you will be likely to be blocked again. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 16:14, 13 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I think that's a good compromise. And,, maybe you should consider doing yourself and everyone else a favor and just staying away from BigCat82 on a voluntary basis for a good long time.  There are plenty of articles to edit around here, and continuing to mess around with the Liger/Tion affair would just be asking for trouble, I think.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 16:26, 13 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Yup. Agree with Alf.laylah.wa.laylah. Best to stay away from the Lion vs Tiger article, which frankly I can see little justification for anyway, as far as Wikipedia is concerned. I'm looking into this further at the moment, and will probably be nominating it for deletion as unencyclopaedic speculation. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:04, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Your draft article, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Lion vs. Tiger


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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. JMHamo (talk) 11:42, 28 August 2014 (UTC)