User talk:Ebdavids

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 Thank you for your recent submission to Articles for Creation. Your article submission has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. Please view your submission to see the comments left by the reviewer. You are welcome to edit the submission to address the issues raised, and resubmit once you feel they have been resolved.
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Hi Eb, sorry to leave you hanging in the breeze like that. I'm in South Africa, and our hours don't correspond that well with the U.S. I feel I owe you some explanation. The editors working on new articles for creation sometimes have to get through a LOT of articles in a short time. We see an awful lot of self-promotion stuff coming in, whether by individuals or companies, and it gets to be a reflex: advert - decline. Especially on a first-time submission. Most people do not - as you DID - look at what's wanted first. I thought it looked a bit better than average, but that didn't stop me hitting the decline button.

However, that said, you came back to me and the moment you do that you move from the 80% random self-promoting chancers to the 20% who are serious about their article! That's when we start to talk. I am glad you got some help in the meantime. If you are in a rush, the live chat is a far better way to go. When you believe you are ready to resubmit, you might drop me a line, and I will take a careful look at it. That would be better than just throwing it into the reviewer pool again! I will usually catch a request within about 24 hours of your placing it, so it does not take all that long. I can't promise, not yet having seen the finished product, that I will accept it at that point, but going by your tone and your apparent willingness to work on it, I think it's likely that it will be acceptable, or will perhaps just need one or two final improvements to be ready. I hope to hear from you then. Regards,  David_FLXD  (Talk) 04:14, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
 David_FLXD  (Talk) 18:39, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation
 Peak Corporate Network, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created. The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article. You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. Note that because you are a logged-in user, you can create articles yourself, and don't have to post a request. However, you are more than welcome to continue submitting work to Articles for Creation. Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia!  David_FLXD  (Talk) Review me 16:20, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
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Speedy deletion nomination of Wikipedia Sandbox


Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice that the page that you created was tagged as a test page and has been or soon may be deleted. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. IShadowed (talk) 22:25, 25 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Ed, I have asked IShadowed what you actually did since, while I have a theory, I can't actually tell for certain! However, your article is still present in your own Sandbox, which is all you need at the moment. Meantime, don't worry about the warning. Whatever you did has already been deleted! I will have a look at the article in the meanwhile. For future reference, you can do one of two things:


 * a) Just write the article in your sandbox, as you have done. That is fine. We can always either submit it for review or create it from there later.


 * b) You can also create a draft article page under your User name (in your own user space). For example, from your userpage you can add on to the end of your userpage address in your browser address window, so that it looks like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ebdavids /My New Article and then go there. The page doesn't exist, so you choose to Start the page or Create the page, depending on how you've arrived there. Start typing, or paste in some text, and save. The page is now created in your User space, and no one will bother you on it until you want to submit it for review, or until it is created in Wikipedia article space. Regards,  David_FLXD  (Talk) Review me 03:42, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

In response to your answer
I don't know -- maybe because it's been a busy day and my brain is fried (NOT ewntirely because of Wiki), but I didn't quite get what you were suggesting I do on my User page to create a draft article. (I copied and pasted the URL you built for me and it didn't create anything on Wikipediae) -- but if it's OK for the moment that I create the next article (Gil Priel) in my Sandbox as well and transmit it to you for review (as I believe you're doing with Eli Tene's, then I see that as the easiest course for me to follow. I'll look for your response to Eli Tene and plod ahead on Gil Priel if that works.  Thanks. Ed Ebdavids (talk) 04:52, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't try to "transmit" anything, I think that's where you went wrong! For the moment I suggest just carry on in your sandbox; you can create the second article right underneath the first.  David_FLXD  (Talk) Review me 06:27, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Ed, ok I found out from IShadowed what you did, which was accidentally to create a mainspace article with the title of Wikipedia_Sandbox. (Don't worry about it, I'm pretty sure new users do it a lot.) And as you saw, it wasn't long before someone came along and deleted it. When editors see something like that, it is usually an automatic delete, and usually described as deleting a test edit.
 * I have made five edits to your sandbox:
 * first to fix your little formatting problem; you have to use the asterisk for bullets.
 * second to delete your entire paragraph on the PCN structure and entities, because this is too close to marketing. This article is about Eli Tene, not all about his business! I believe you have covered the PCN story adequately for this article in the Career section. Please note my fourth edit: wikilinks.
 * third, I did a relatively minor notability edit and some streamlining in the lead para. I dumped the Tenfold thing because it has only just been established, and will not have had a chance to establish any real notability on its own. Of course, I may be wrong, in which case feel free to put it back - so long as you provide the references to show why you had to mention it!
 * fourth, I added wikilinks to the first mentions of things where Wikipedia pages exist. This includes Peak Corporate Network, so readers who want to know more about that can get there with a click.
 * fifth and finally, I have added the infobox (please populate the empty fields so far as possible. If you lack information, no problem, empty fields will not display) and the Persondata templates. The latter is right at the bottom of the page, and does not normally display on the article; it is only used for sorting and categorizing.
 * Of course, once you know how, you can do all this for yourself! For Priel's article infobox, for example, I suggest copy and paste Tene's infobox, and then edit the content. Ditto for the Persondata template. Be sure you include the double curly brackets which both open and close the template content! The quickest way to learn anything is to look at the edit page and see how it's done. The Tene article as I have left it is actually ok to go online, if you are happy with it. Oh yeah, the Cheat Sheet on wiki formatting is very useful, and if you need more there is a link from there to the full instruction page. Let me know when you want to create the article.  David_FLXD  (Talk) Review me 11:16, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Eli Tene
Article has been created. Great job, there was very little I really had to do. Had this article come up in AfC it might well have passed; without the Peak Corporate Network section, it would certainly have passed any reviewer. So, next time, you are going to create your own article on Priel (I will talk you through it when you are ready), and then you are on your own. Unless, of course, you need help suddenly! I think, for your convenient reference when you are looking for anwers, I'm also going to hit your Talk page with the big welcome screen, the one with all the references to helpful pages! Regards,  David_FLXD  (Talk) Review me 17:34, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Ed, you should know that a passing editor warned me that there might be a copyvio (copyright violation) issue on the Eli Tene article in the Career section. This is a serious charge, because copyvio is one of the things for which articles can be deleted without discussion. This seems to have been because of shared text with the Peak Corporate Network article. I have edited that part of the text to make sure it is different enough to pass any copyvio accusation. For your future reference, the quickest way to check for any copyvio is to search on whole sentences or long phrases on Google or Bing, and see what else comes up.
 * I have also changed back the section headings you capitalized, because WP:MOS guideline says that in phrases only the first word is capitalized.
 * There was an objection to your YouTube reference (I think just because it was YouTube) but this is a video of a news broadcast, so I think we can keep that in.
 * P.S. IMPORTANT: Dougweller, who is an Administrator and has a lot of experience on WP, has advised that even directly linking to copyrighted material on an unofficial site can also be considered copyvio! So rather substitute the reference using Template:Cite_episode to specify the source.  David_FLXD  (Talk) Review me 09:49, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * An article on ET was created in 2008 (something I was not aware of) and was deleted after an AfD (Articles for Deletion) nomination and discussion. This could somewhat prejudice the matter IF your ET article should be nominated, but your ET article should not be nominated, and has the substance necessary to stand against an AfD nomination. If you need to respond in an AfD discussion, then you must make points ONLY in direct accordance with WP policy. One key point is that any biographical article which has at least one statement about the subject which is properly substantiated by an independent, reliable, widely published source, must NOT be deleted. In the case of your ET article, the Ynet reference alone would be sufficient. In conclusion, you need to make sure not to borrow text wholesale from other articles (PCN)! Technically, since you are the author of both, you are allowed to, but it is not worth the risk of another WP editor jumping to conclusions and speedily deleting your article. Look at the current history of Eli Tene and see the Edit Summary statements which I and others have put in, explaining what we edited and why. You should also get into the habit of labelling your edits in the same way. See also my talk page for the discussion with User:Dougweller. Regards,  David_FLXD  (Talk) Review me 04:04, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Re: Revisions
Thanks for this guidance -- I'll revise the template used for YouTube refs in all pieces. And thank you for the prior, more major advice and fixes! I, too, assumed it was OK for me, as the author, to use some same copy in describing identical aspects/subjects in different but related articles, but I appreciate your caution. I (like you) had no idea about the 2008 piece, but happy it probably won't impact on this new one. Quite the spirited exchange on it! Ed Ebdavids (talk) 15:06, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Peak article: way ahead
Ok, I have consulted with Dougweller, and got someone else to look at it as well, and Doug is basically right (although I still think he cut too much, and I've told him so!). He is willing to review his edits, although you should know that most of his cuts will stay in place. What you need to do is to locate, or reinstate if they are relevant, reliable sources which go to the notability of PCN. I have looked, and cannot find anything online which is truly independent. There are, for example, press releases on news sites, but they originate with PCN or its subsidiaries, and are therefore not independent. I am sure that there are some print sources which you had (unless I'm thinking of someone else). For now, I suggest just list them at the bottom of the article and make a comment when you save the page (Edit Summary) to the effect of Please don't delete: to be incorporated, or some such. If you can incorporate those refs immediately, then do that. I have work I need to do now, so will be offline until tonight, about 10 hours from now. Regards,  David_FLXD  (Talk) Review me 05:38, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Dougweller (talk) 05:45, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

You've got mail!
 David_FLXD  (Talk) 06:14, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

PS Where have you put the Priel article? I can't find it! If it is not yet on WP, I suggest save it as a user sub-page: go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ebdavids/Gil_Priel (never mind the red link, go there anyway! Click on "Start the User:Ebdavids/Gil Priel page" and paste in your content, then SAVE the page. This creates the page in your user space. If you want to make quite sure no one tampers with it in the meantime, tag it by inserting the template at the top. (The latter will not protect an article in Main space). If you want to use Priel's full name (recommended) for the article title, then just substitute that. Regards,  David_FLXD  (Talk) 06:23, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Nope, doesn't exist...?
Hi Ed

Again, cannot find it. No record in your user contributions of it, nothing in the deletion logs. In your bleary-eyed state, did you save it? The address should not end in "...&action=submit". (That looks to me like you had a dialogue box open when you copied the address). I hope you have the text saved elsewhere!  David_FLXD  (Talk) 04:36, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Bleary no more?
David:

Obviously. . . I did something in error.

Happily. . . I had the whole article still open in my Sandbox.

Nicely. . . you explained how to render it as something more tangible -- since I gather that my having provided you the link to the Sandbox wasn't enough for you to fetch the piece. Hope you can find it now.

Finally. . . here it is rendered anew (and I hope correctly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ebdavids/Gil_Priel.

Apologetically. . . I wish you (or, actually, me) a good night (because Ive run out of --ly words) -- and we'll touch base, I suspect, tomorrow (which it will be only in 38 minutes here but is way along its way there).

Ed

(P. S. Bleariness not entirely gone, I wasn't sure which user talk page to use to reply to you, so I'm putting this reply on both mine and yours.) Ebdavids (talk) 06:26, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Bleary no more? P. P. S.
P. P. S. Wasn't quite sure you what you meant by using Gil's full name ("use that instead") -- but his full name, and the title I desire for the piece, is Gil Priel.Ebdavids (talk) 06:32, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

How to create your own article
Hi Ed, let's see if you're ready for this!

You are a registered user who has enough edits and now knows enough about Wikipedia to be allowed to create articles for yourself.

Your GP article is not perfect, but it's close enough. (I would have said a little less about PCN, and a bit more about Priel's Perspective, but it's your article!)

Your article is currently a subpage to your user page.

Your userpage: "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ebdavids"

This is a subpage: "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ebdavids/Any_subpage_title_here"

You create an article by "Moving" it (NEVER by cut and paste!). It is good practice to first check and see that there is not already an existing article by that name (or a very similar name, which might mean someone has already written the article you had in mind).


 * Keep these instructions handy, and open User:Ebdavids/Gil Priel in a new tab or window.
 * In the article (/GP) window, look just to the left of the Wikipedia search field. There is a little black down arrowhead indicating a drop down menu. Click on that, and click on "Move".
 * In the dialogue box you have two fields to worry about:
 * Make sure the first field is selected as "Article" and not "User" (which is the default field from your starting position).
 * Make sure the second field is just your article title eg Gil Priel. Whether or not you use an underscore to separate the words does not matter: it will display the same, and will work the same. Make sure that your username does NOT appear in the second field (it will be there by default for any subpage).

The rest is not critical, but to be fully correct (and so you aren't left wondering!):
 * In "reason for move" type something like "new article creation".
 * If your subpage talk page has been used to discuss the article in development, then you DO want to move the talk page with the article. Otherwise you don't want to.
 * For pages that you have created, you usually DO want them on your watch list.
 * Click on "Move page".

Provided that there is no collision with a pre-existing article (or redirect) with the same name, Wikipedia will do the rest. If there is such a collision, the move will be aborted and everything will be reset to the way it was before the move was attempted. In that case you go and ask for help, which will usually be forthcoming.

Congratulations - you should now have created your own article, and can use the same procedure for other articles in future.

If you get stuck, you know where to go!  David_FLXD  (Talk) 21:57, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

P.S. Don't forget, after creating your new article, to remove (delete in edit view) any tags which no longer belong there, such as the User draft tag, or perhaps the sandbox tag. You should also add at least a couple of categories to your article. You may find it helps to activate HotCat in your preferences/gadgets tab for this.  David_FLXD  (Talk) 22:03, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Creating my own article
Thanks. Pending my results (listen for an explosion out there in WPland if I screw it up), I want to say you're not only a good editor and teacher but, now, a good weaner. Let's see how I do.

Thanks for your help all along the way. If you don't hear from me for a while, it's a good sign. I may be getting back to you shortly with a WP question not directly related to The Peak Trilogy (as it were). . . but in the meanwhile, rest well knowing you've guided another neophyte through the thicket. (Or some mixed metaphor like that.) BTW, don't know of you see these things...but somewhere along the way I stumbled upon your info page -- very interesting -- including a way to rate you. Which I did. Highly. I gather you haven't been at this for a HUGE amount of time, but it looks like it's been time well spent. And well appreciated. Goodbye for now, friend. Ed Ebdavids (talk) 22:15, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * When I checked this morning I found GP was up - well done! I did see your review, and thanks here too. Glad I could be of service.  David_FLXD  (Talk) 05:05, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks -- and here's that quasi-unrelated question
Yep, it feels great to have seen Gil Priel posted, completing (pending predatory editors!) the Peak Trilogy for the moment.

Here's the follow-up question I mentioned may come to you: Eli Tene, who apparently is happy with his bio article, has asked about having it translated into Hebrew. Not intending to bother you again so soon, I did some due diligence into what would be involved (to begin with, though I'm a pretty-much lapsed Jew, my knowledge of the Hebrew language doesn't go much beyond "shalom") and found a few things on Translate us and (though it's about translations in the other direction) Translations. They provide the Wiki basics on how to transfer and tag articles, cautions and sensitivities in actually doing the translation, etc. But that's not the totality of what I was looking for. What's clear to me is that if Tene is to get what he wants, he'll need the assistance of someone fluent in Hebrew and English AND in working in Wikipedia (and, of course, with the appropriate equipment/keyboard), both to do and format the original translation and to be able to receive and react to subsequent editorial comments, if any.

My question to you is -- are you aware of a spot in the Encyclopedia where people volunteer/make themselves available to do translations from English into other languages, hopefully including Hebrew for he.wikipedia? I don't know if this has come up much or at all for you (perhaps, in RSA, from English to Dutch or vice versa?) but I thought with your greater familiarity with and travels throughout Wiki, you might be able to point me somewhere...

Of course, if the answer is "no, that doesn't exist in Wikipedia." I'll totally accept that and they advise Eli Tene Plan B (For instance, checking around for, as I said to them, "Some Jewish, geeky son or daughter of one of Eli's friends," or something like that!)

As always, David, thanks and the best to you,

Ed Ebdavids (talk) 19:28, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Gil Priel for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Gil Priel is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Gil Priel (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Spartaz Humbug! 11:49, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Made minor changes. Having trouble formatting a couple of footnotes.
Hello!

A year or so ago, I created the item entitled Eli Tene. After initial acceptance, with some minor revisions a long time ago, it has existed without edits for quite a while. That was my first experience with writing for Wikipedia, but i was proud to have gotten through!

Today I went back to the article to make some simple changes -- a couple of changes in text and the addition of two references to back up the new information. The text edits seem to have gone through smoothly, but unfortunately, I've gotten a bit rusty and couldn't exactly remember how to format and add the footnotes correctly. (I tried to look it up in Help, but apparently didn't do the right thing.)

If you loom at the piece, you will see the text edits I made. Here is what I tried to do, but got an error message I couldn't understand (so I deleted the "try" from the piece). There are three footnotes I would like to add, all of then links to websites of the organization concerned.

(a) In the introductory blurb (above the contents box), after the footnote that's already there, I would like to add this footnote:  http://www.israeliamerican.org/honorary-board-of-directors

(b) And in the Community involvement section, after Friends of the Israel Defense Forcesreference, I would like to add these two footnotes: http://www.fidf.org/page.aspx?pid=266  and   http://www.fidf.org/chapters/los-angeles/la_gala_2013

I am completely stymied as to how to do this correctly. Can you guide me or -- better yet -- please insert them for me, and then remind me what to do next -? (Or do i just SAVE the changes you or I make?)

Thank you VERY much!

Ed Ebdavids (talk) 02:41, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Never mind the above request. Solved it! Thank you anyway.
Did some more research and checking of what I had done, and re-found the correct Citation Template to use. With some work -- I solved it! All is good.

Thank you very much anyway.

Ed Ebdavids (talk) 19:23, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Peak Corporate Network


A tag has been placed on Peak Corporate Network requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organization or company, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 07:13, 24 April 2015 (UTC)