User talk:Ebyabe/Archive 17

Whitey Ford
Thanks, this guys a real pain--Yankees10 04:34, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

NRHP template
Ya I was going to, I spent all night making that template. Thanks for noticing. --CPacker talk to me 18:35, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Newark Earthworks
I realize that the whole Newark Earthworks system might be listed as it is on the NRHP (at the location: 40°2′52″N 82°26′23″W), but I still think it's misleading to tell people that the remains currently lie where roads and people's houses are since most of the original Earthworks have been built on or destroyed. For example, the Country Club and Golf Course is really private property, it's a golf course built on top of some of the Earthworks. I wouldn't want to mislead people and say, "hey, these are the best coordinates we can use to represent the location of the site as it stands today and where you can go to see it." I know that's not really true, because it's better for people to go to the park instead. Perhaps we should use different coordinates to represent different sections of the Earthworks? Nevertheless, I still think the best location used to represent the site is the location off of Cooper Street (40°2′31.8″N 82°25′48.4″W), because those represent the most intact of the Earthworks that are left that people can go and see on public property, at what was called "Mound Builders Park". That is why I used those coordinates. If people go there first, then they can see the diagrams and read about the entire mound complex, and then if they are further interested, they can try to drive out to the Country Club and Golf Course and see what is left of those formations (that is, if they don't get hit by golf balls flying in the air.) Anyhow, that's why I think that "Mound Builders Park" is the best location to use for the Newark Earthworks, so that people know where to go to be able to see them on public property. Well, that's my two cents anyway. Geneisner (talk) 21:43, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I can see your point. I did a partial re-revert. Using the "boundaries" as on the NRHP (as the three are within the limits), but use the Great Circle coords. I wish the infobox supported multiple coords, that would be better. Anyhoo, I hope that'll work. Cheers! :) --Ebyabe (talk) 00:29, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Some bogus vandalism message
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox.
 * That's an incorrect vandalism warning, because the IP apparently has an agenda to push. I warned him/her.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 17:04, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! :) --Ebyabe (talk) 23:54, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Behar / Leno
I take it this is how it actually went down, and whether it's a valid citation or not, the red-link who posted that one comment mis-led. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 19:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, didn't think it was even close to being true. I still think it's only borderline notable, but that's me. :) --Ebyabe (talk) 19:33, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's really not notable at all, it's just Leno following up on what Behar said - if anything, she called herself that first. And what she called him afterward has happened before - I recall Cher calling Letterman that once. It's nothing. Just a blip. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 19:35, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

County Templates
Hi Ebaybe, are you an Admin or know someone who is? There is a user, User:Acntx who appears to making a large number of changes to County templates. He came to my attention when I noticed he made a change to the Template:Volusia County, Florida and added Flagler Beach, Florida to it. I live in Volusia County and know for a fact that the City of Flagler Beach is located entirely within Flagler County, not in Volusia County. I exchanged some messages with User:Acntx and he cited some US Census data to me. However, Census data does not alter what City Limits are. Special:Contributions/Acntx appears to be altering many other such templates throughout Wikipedia. Can someone more knowledgeable in Wikipedia check on this activity? Gamweb (talk) 17:17, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I reported it to an admin I know. It's true, Flagler Beach is miles away from the Volusia County border. --Ebyabe (talk) 01:05, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to say I've seen stranger things. Still, Acntx should be discussing the issue before changing a large number of pages.  —Wknight94 (talk) 02:41, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Pine Level, Florida
Hi, I see you have have a list of Florida ghost towns. Here's one for your list. Thanks also for using your AWB to correct the rest of the county subcats to Category:National Register of Historic Places in Florida. I'm still plodding along on articles for Florida courthouses. I just finished DeSoto County today. Best wishes. clariosophic (talk) 21:22, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You're quite welcome. :) --Ebyabe (talk) 21:57, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Template: Florida Courthouses
Hi, I'm assuming that you patterned this after User:Nyttend's Ohio one. I've questioned him about why the word current is included in the text, when it appears that most entries are there for their historic value, rather than their currency. His answer was that's the way it's supposed to be and then deleted the template from Cuyahoga County Courthouse and added it to its replacement Justice Center Complex (Cleveland, Ohio). We have much the same thing in Florida. Many of our historic courthouses may not be the current ones. Anyway, why limit it to only current ones? Many current courthouses might not even qualify as notable.Wikipedia I believe is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not an almanac. Your thoughts, please. Best wishes. clariosophic (talk) 21:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Makes no neverminds to me either way. :) As for as historicity, I know some old county courthouses don't exist anymore. Alachua and Marion up here only have the modern ugly versions. Don't think they're particularly notable either, per se. I wouldn't mind going towards historic. --Ebyabe (talk) 03:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Photos of DeLand Municipal Airport
Hi Ebaybe - I found you took a couple of photos in DeLand  last year, and needed to ask if they are from DeLand Municipal Airport? I have two pages I could use them on: CR 4047 and DeLand Municipal Airport. Please confirm (or I will have to make a trip out to DeLand with my camera! LOL), thanks. Gamweb (talk) 21:36, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * They're for the Chief Master at Arms House. It doesn't appear to be on the airport property, but next to it, according to Google . I've been meaning to get back to Deland, to get a few odds and ends I missed on the last couple of times thru. If you do go, could you gimme a headsup, maybe, and perhaps you could get those? Cheerio. :) --Ebyabe (talk) 03:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll do what I can. Are the items listed on this page? Photos needed in Volusia County Let me know if there is something in particular you need. I don't drive, so I am tied to the VOTRAN bus routes for transportation. I found someone on Flickr who lives in DeLand and takes lots of photos. She seems to stick to nature photos, so I am trying to tempt her to visit Tiger Bay State Forest and other nature spots in this general area where photos are needed. Gamweb (talk) 06:11, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

St. Thomas Synagogue
Cann you merge St. Thomas Synagogue with Talk:Beracha Veshalom Vegmiluth Hasidim/Temp or visa versa? i created Beracha Veshalom Vegmiluth Hasidim but somebody used a copywrited material in the text i found your artical and i want to merge the temp page with yours. we should work together on this because we want history to be preserved —Preceding unsigned comment added by Psycowitz (talk • contribs) 16:17, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

National Natural Landmarks
Hey, I saw you just went through and edited Florida. Thanks! I'm still chopping the national list up into state lists, but have to run out now. Check out NY for an example of what I expect at the end. dm (talk) 16:12, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hm, I see. I'll see what I can do to update the Florida list more. Keep up the really good work! :) --Ebyabe (talk) 18:26, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

coordinate cleanup
Just for fun, I decided to go through the articles on my watchlist and add coordinates to every physical location that didn't have one. Thanks for cleaning up the templates and such behind me - I didn't notice them.

Also, thanks for the generic holiday greeting. You have a good (whatever) too! Zeng8r (talk) 04:46, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I stumbled on the Florida missing coordinates category, and thought to work on emptying it. Starting with NRHP stuff, of course, since the NPS provides coordinates. Gracias for corrections, as, like other info from the gummint, they're not always correct. Happy happy! :) --Ebyabe (talk) 21:50, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Woah, I didn't know that category existed. I'll help to chip away at the Tampa-area entries as time permits... Zeng8r (talk) 22:17, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I noticed a bot adding coord missing to some NRHP articles. Yeah, who knew? :) --Ebyabe (talk) 22:22, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

HHoyC
Back at ya. Happy "HanuRamaKwanzMas". This is a little off-season, but have you noticed that Catholics require 47 days of atonement, Muslims 30, and Jews just 1? What does that say? P.S. In case you're wondering, I am 100% goy. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 14:34, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm of the great and ever-expanding religion, lapsed Catholicism. And it's like I always say, "The Jews invented guilt, but the Catholics perfected it." *hee* --Ebyabe (talk) 15:58, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * And speaking of religious slogans: Jesus saves. Moses invests. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:58, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I prefer "Jesus saves, but the Mongol hoards." --Ebyabe (talk) 20:14, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Florida county templates
Thanks for fixing the categories on the Florida county templates; I guess I wasn't paying attention when I added those categories! Nyttend (talk) 16:45, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That's cool. I created most of them, so I thought it was me, and I'd just never noticed! :) --Ebyabe (talk) 16:48, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Request for opinion and/or advice
Howdy! I am contemplating a merge proposal, something I haven't done before. Could I bother you to have a look at Talk:Odd Fellows Hall and tell me what you think, including, but not limited to: I seem to recall having seen a relevant template, but I haven't been able to locate it. Can you suggest how I might locate it? And any other advice and opinions would be welcomed. Thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 23:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * What do you think of the idea?
 * What do you think of the wording of the proposal?


 * I dropped a line about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places. You should be getting various input in the near-ish future. :) --Ebyabe (talk) 01:24, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you.
 * So I gather you don't think it's a stupid idea, and you think the wording is acceptable?
 * Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 02:34, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I can see pros and cons, but think the idea has merit. We shall see what we shall see. :) --Ebyabe (talk) 02:56, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Indeed we shall! Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 03:30, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

List of RHPs in FL and sandbox
Thanks in general for responding to my new effort on the RHP lists, and specifically for letting me know yesterday that u were developing a revised List of RHPs in FL in your sandbox. I then was able to save what i had developed so far for FL, and just stop with an incomplete version in place, and go work on another state's list instead. At that time I saw your complete version, and only went on to finish the other moves needed to make the FL links valid. Please do copy in your complete version whenever you like; i am done. About the current version, i like your photos. For some reason, in my firefox browser right now the photos are not arranging properly, they all show up in one 3 column clump, then followed by the table. Rather than one column of photos on each side of the narrow table. However i imagine that is a temporary glitch. Please do go ahead and move it in and keep tinkering as necessary. Cheers, doncram (talk) 20:04, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I like having an independent opinion, 'cause I can get carried away sometimes. Though there are actually 4 photos on the page that I didn't take myself. :) I'll move the page, then, as it can always be fiddled with, as you say. Thanks for the help, and the work, and the nudging, and stuff. :) --Ebyabe (talk) 20:08, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Just a thought - you could easily add in the number of NHL's in each county as well. dm (talk) 20:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right. I did it with St. Johns b/c of St. Augustine, but might as well do the rest. Right now I'm trying to reference that we have the oldest building in the US, St. Bernard de Clairvaux Church. I think that's worth noting, hmm? --Ebyabe (talk) 20:38, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Alabama NHLs map
Hey, I like the map! But could you tweak it a little? I added a comment here, but then realized that you might not see it. Thanks!  Altairisfar talk  03:46, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Volusia County Location Map
Hi, I recently created new location map for Volusia County (an upgrade step from the Florida map) that will work in some InfoBoxes. You can see it in action here: The Casements. The coordinates might need to be fine-tuned still; you can find the map here if you want to tweak it: Location Map Volusia County. I based the instructions on what I found for the Florida map. Gamweb (talk) 05:59, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That is so cool! I didn't even know you could do that. I like it a lot. May have to do it for the other NRHPs in Florida, when I get a free minute. Thanks! :) --Ebyabe (talk) 15:40, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Infoboxes for Non-NRHP Sites
Hi, I have been running across a few historic sites that do not have infoboxes, but are not NRHP sites, for example: Green_Mound. It is considered a State Historic site, but not a Federal one. What would you suggest to use as an InfoBox? Gamweb (talk) 01:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Possibly Infobox historic area? --Ebyabe (talk) 04:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion, but after playing with that one, it seems to have some bugs in it (skewed to Pennsylania). Too much work for me to fix. :P Instead, I created a new one: Infobox_historic_area2. I took NRHP2 and stripped it down to a non-NRHP version. Here is a page I tested it out on! Fig_Springs_mission_site Gamweb (talk) 07:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Assistence requested
Hi, I recently found some History to add to Daytona Beach Bandshell and Oceanfront Park Complex. I believe it is Public Domain text, but it probably needs to be rephrased. Could I ask you to take a whack at it? Thanks. Gamweb (talk) 22:26, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Only if you tell me, in detail, how you made the Volusia County breakout map you've been adding to the NRHP sites in that county, doncha know. B/c I want to make them for all the Florida counties. :) --Ebyabe (talk) 02:34, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL Okay I guess I can do that. Gamweb (talk) 04:18, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Bailey House (Gainesville, Florida) and dab rules
Hi Ebyabe, i saw ur edit at the work-in-process Bailey House dab page, now done i think. Thanks for adding a link to the Gainesville, FL article. FYI, about dab rules, I am now a lot more familiar with them, and I now understand that there are usually not supposed to be pipelinks in dab pages; if the page is named Bailey House (Gainesville, Florida), then it should show exactly that. This is unlike our NRHP lists where we usually choose to show the NRHP name for a property, and pipelink to the actual article name. Also there is usually supposed to be just one bluelink per entry. I guess you can also state an alternate name although i don't do that often. In this case, since Maj. James B. Bailey House was there, i am thinking that was the official NRHP name for the site. So, I edited this one to become something like:
 * Bailey House (Gainesville, Florida), also known as Maj. James B. Bailey House, listed on the NRHP in Florida.

However, now when i visit the article, i am confused. I think the article should be moved to Maj. James B. Bailey House, because from the article it does not appear to me that the name of the place is Bailey House. The NRHP name for the site is Maj. James B. Bailey House. In the article, that is given as the main name, and an alternate name given is something else. It's not suggested that Bailey House is a common name for the house. So, I wonder if you could move it or alter the article, and update the dab page accordingly. Thanks! doncram (talk) 09:03, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, fixed. :) --Ebyabe (talk) 00:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Your sandbox
Hey, I just reverted a change to one of your subpages. Apparently there are links to various National Trust for Historic Preservation website that are out of date, and that is what was changed, but I thought you should be the one to make the call regarding a change to your own page. Thanks for all the continued good work on NRHP stuff. Katr67 (talk) 20:57, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. :) --Ebyabe (talk) 15:07, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

SMS Cormoran
Thanks for putting the NHRP infobox back into the article. I had one there earlier, but it got replaced when the article was expanded. Einbierbitte (talk) 20:27, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! I just wish I could have added the refnum, but I can't find it anywhere. :( --Ebyabe (talk) 23:07, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It took me a while to find it myself. I finally found it on Google Books. I verified it with the NPS and they emailed a PDF of the nomination form months ago. Like all the old nominations, it was sparse. That is where I found the coordinates. I made up an infobox, then User:Gamahler removed it when he expanded the article :( Oh well. Einbierbitte (talk) 00:17, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Rescue Attempt for Florida County Road 337
Your assistance is requested to rescue Florida County Road 337 from the AfD Squad. Gamweb (talk) 00:21, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! for helping in rollout of new NRHP infobox

 * Yeah, us! :) --Ebyabe (talk) 19:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Liebman
Thanks for the tip. I turned him in to AIV and they blocked him so fast it would make your head spin. He also did us a favor by giving us 3 more places to watch for his tomfoolery. P.S. I also reverted his changes. Even if they're factually valid, banned users are not allowed to edit. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 01:12, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeh, maybe a new record - after a brief lull, he must have had 4 or 5 of them today - a busy bean-brain. And I see Tanthalas quickly responded to your request a few minutes ago and semi-protected your page. That leaves just 2 of Liebman's 5 typical targets unprotected - No Guru, who is relatively inactive; and Georgewilliamherbert, who says he wants to stay unprotected for now. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 23:58, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Hurrah! I was going to ask Wknight, but he's retired. :( Anyway, we'll see what happens. But I may wind up getting long-term protection like you've got. We'll see... --Ebyabe (talk) 00:01, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * In fact, I didn't even ask for it, someone re-protected my page recently. That's OK. If George wants to get all of that idiot's musings, that's up to him. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 00:04, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Jaws
The shark jaws sculpture suggests a paraphrasing of an old Far Side caption: "The last thing a careless swimmer ever sees." Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 01:20, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

invitation
You're invited to sign up as a founding member, at WikiProject Council/Proposals ! :) doncram (talk) 05:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


 * WikiProject Historic Sites is opened up. I took the liberty of assuming your support for the wikiproject meant you wanted to join as a member, and I copied your signature to the Members list on the main page.  Please visit and add to, or remove, your listing there.  It would be great to hear about what you're interested in the Wikiproject becoming, in your member comment and/or at the Talk page, shortcut wt:HSITES.  Thanks for your support! doncram (talk) 17:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Dunno how active I'll be, but hope the project goes well. :) --Ebyabe (talk) 00:50, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

State-of-Florida Copyright Issues
Some items I added are being debated for deletion. Your participation is requested. Please visit w:Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Florida for more info. Thank you. Gamweb (talk) 04:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Seabreeze, Florida
Hi Ebaybe, I was starting to work on text for a new page for Seabreeze, Florida in my Sandbox, when I ran across an old page you made for Seabreeze Historic District (which is now a Redirect page). I now believe the Seabreeze Historic District is supposed to represent the old Town of Seabreeze that merged with Daytona and Daytona Beach in 1926. I would appreciate your input. (gamweb nli) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.72.35.45 (talk) 01:13, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks good. I'd suggest a few more inline references throughout the article. From looking at the map, it does look like the historic district does incorporate a good portion of the old town. Might you have access to the old limits for Seebreeze? Maybe at the local library or historical society. I know our local library has reference books on Ocala that aren't likely to be found much outside of here.
 * Funny, I was in Daytona Beach last weekend taking pictures. Well, I got there late, so didn't take many photos there, 'cause I started at the Canaveral Nat'l Seashore south of New Smyrna Beach. I'm hoping to get back there in the next few weeks, to get as much of Volusia County knocked out as possible. Later! :) --Ebyabe (talk) 22:01, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well let me know when you are out here again and perhaps we can meet up. I don't drive, so I am usually tied to the VOTRAN bus schedule! (gamweb nli) 199.72.35.45 (talk) 23:49, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, page created. Have at it! Seabreeze, Florida. I used the NRHP2 infobox. Gamweb (talk) 15:58, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Florida State Road 40
BTW, which route do you use to go to Volusia County? I would like to expand the Florida State Road 40 article someday. Can you take some photos along the way, if you use this route? Can you take some photos of the Astor Bridge across the St. Johns River? There are some other List of crossings of the St. Johns River that I plan on creating or expanding someday (the ones that I added coordinates to). Gamweb (talk) 08:28, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It depends on what part of the county I want to wind up at. The last couple of times I've wanted to start around New Smyrna, so I've gone on County Road 42. Plus I'm getting a little bored with SR 40. At least between Barberville and Ormond Beach, there's a whole bunch of not much except trees, trees, and more trees. I did get some shots in Barberville and Astor. Been meaning to get the Astor Bridge, I'll add it to the list. If there are other specifics, I'd be happy to take shots along the way. :) And as far as meeting, yes, that's possible. What I'd like to do next is get to the Ponce de Leon Inlet Light the first thing in the morning, then work my way north. Possibly next weekend, but by Memorial Day if at all possible. I just wish the love bugs weren't starting to come out. Oh well... --Ebyabe (talk) 14:44, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * On the Volusia side of the Astor Bridge, is the "Volusia Oak." Apparently it was due to be cut down when the current Astor Bridge was being built, but the local residents had a fit about it, and one of them actually chained himself to the tree until the State of Florida relented. So I guess the tree is kind of "in the way" of Route 40. Take a few photos of the tree if you can. Along the way eastward, are also:
 * Lake George State Forest
 * Volusia Speedway Park
 * Tiger Bay State Forest
 * If you take Florida State Road 44 I will probably have a different "wish list" along the way... Gamweb (talk) 09:19, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Already done are Volusia Oak and Volusia Speedway Park. All the State Forests are on my list (I stubbed a good number of them). Got a few so-so ones of New Smyrna Speedway. --Ebyabe (talk) 16:03, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know if you really "need" to go to the Ponce de Leon Lighthouse - there are already plenty of photos at Commons (I have plenty of my own, which I did not even bother to upload). Unless, you just want see it for yourself. Pay the $5 to climb the steps and take some photos from the top of the observation deck if you decide to go. Point your camera south toward New Smyrna Beach and you can get a nice skyline photo (I already did, its on the NSB page). There was a lot of haze the day I was there - maybe you can shoot a clearer one. The lighthouse is too far away from Daytona Beach or even Daytona Beach Shores to capture a skyline photo in that direction. Gamweb (talk) 13:22, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I did go, but it was way overcast, so it wasn't worth climbing to the top. I'll go on a good weather day, 'cause I'd like to get good shots, like the one in St. Augustine. --Ebyabe (talk) 22:21, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * From the top. --Ebyabe (talk) 22:22, 11 May 2009 (UTC)