User talk:Ebyabe/Archive 25

Cape San Blas Light
I was just trying to wikify the article. I find it unnecessary of yours to revert my edits. My edits were in good faith.

Learnerktm 16:50, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, your edits were in good faith. However, 'wikify' usually refers to linking words or phrases to existing articles on Wikipedia. Like Wikipedia. Your changes were grammatical, and made the article less clear. I changed it back to restore clarity. Cheers. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   Welfare State   ‖ 17:19, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

I got it. Thanks

Learnerktm 12:42, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Cool. Btw, what prompted you to make changes to that article? Are you a lighthouse fan, or live in the area? Don't need to answer if you don't want. Just curious.  :)  -- ‖  Ebyabe  talk -   Union of Opposites   ‖ 14:36, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

ALLY IOANNIDES
Ally's birthday IS january, 1998 according to her agency — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.179.62.178 (talk) 15:01, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Link to that source, please. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   Repel All Boarders   ‖ 17:43, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

ANI discussion for User:Zzaxx1
If you are interested in following and/or commenting: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 05:47, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I added my comment. Considering the user's behavior, I think they would ignore a topic ban and get fully blocked anyway. We'll see how it goes. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   Inspector General   ‖ 14:15, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Reply to your note on my talk page

 * In reply to your comment on my Talk Page: You suggested that my edit to Maz Jobrani was a "test;" however, I indicated in my change comments that the reason I made the edit was because of a radio interview I heard where Maz mentioned that he preferred not to be referred to as the "Persian Pink Panther." He said that it came up as a flippant comment in an interview he gave, and it somehow ended up as his nickname in his Wikipedia article. He also mentioned that he had contacted Wikipedia to have it removed, but nothing had been done.


 * I am not a regular contributor on Wikipedia, but I use it frequently. I don't currently have time to devote to researching and documenting articles here. --Dotmom61 (talk) 19:44, 14 March 2015 (UTC)


 * As long as their are reliable sources for the nickname, that's what Wikipedia goes with. The subject's wishes aren't relevant in that case. A discussion about it can be had on the Maz Jobrani talk page, if desired, so pros and cons can be hashed out. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   Health and Welfare   ‖ 00:19, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Transit.jpg
 Thanks for uploading File:Transit.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Stefan2 (talk) 00:23, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Talkback
Stefan2 (talk) 00:55, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

St. George's School
Thanks for reverting the vandalism on the St. George's article. Is there any way to change the visibility of that edit so that the libelous accusation is no longer visible? It is demonstrably untrue; Eric Peterson's son didn't go to Lawrence Academy. Thanks. 67.197.243.87 (talk) 14:02, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You can try requesting removal from one of the admins in Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to handle RevisionDelete requests. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   Health and Welfare   ‖ 14:13, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Request made. Thanks. 67.197.243.87 (talk) 14:38, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Rose Tyler
Yes, you made a mistake for removing my edit on the article "Rose Tyler", because she was actually the War Doctor's companion in the episode "Day of the Doctor ", they even put Billie Piper in the cast. I put the edit back because I have proof that Rose was a companion of the War Doctor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lolsuguessedit (talk • contribs) 15:15, April 5, 2015‎
 * I have started a discussion topic on this at Talk:Rose Tyler. Please feel free to contribute. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   Opposites Attract   ‖ 19:20, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Others have disagreed with your interpretation and reverted your change. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   Border Town   ‖ 13:48, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Kent Hovind article deletion
I did recently post an edit on the Kent Hovind article. I corrected a personal bias, and I removed false information. I do believe that the removal of this edit was a mistake and I would ask for you to revise this removal. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacob A. Henderson (talk • contribs) 09:33, April 15, 2015‎
 * Belated response. Since I believe the removal was appropriate according to our guidelines, so I'm afraid the answer is no. Have a nice day. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   State of the Union   ‖ 17:15, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Paintsville High School
I made a change to the notable alumni section of this article and you removed it because I did not cite my sources. Please review it as I went back and added the sources. Thanks. (Also, he has a pending wiki article of his own that meets all notable eligibility requirements. Please reference Draft:J.R. VanHoose Kaylamoore (talk) 16:51, 24 April 2015 (UTC) User:kaylamoore
 * I should have been more clear. I removed it because there was no article on Wikipedia for the individual. For 'Notable people' type sections, that's the general criteria. We will see what the status of the draft resubmission is. If it winds up being rejected again, then the individual will be removed, as they will not be considered notable according to Wikipedia. Thank you. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   Inspector General   ‖ 04:26, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Museum of Art - DeLand, Florida article deletion
You claim that I am taking material directly from the museum's website and that is copyright infringement, yet you do not provide solid examples and proceed to delete everything I have edited. In regards to the copyright infringement, the article should be covered under the fair use clauses of copyright laws, in addition to that I have received express permission to update the Wikipedia page for the museum. I have been trying to incorporate primary source material into the page so as to reflect the status of the museum today. I have also been trying to remain impartial to my editing of the museum page so that it is up to Wikipedia's standards.

If it is a problem with the language used in the sections, I would really appreciate you to mark them so I can edit them. I hope to improve the page with constructive criticism because I believe the form of the article is fairly consistent with Wikipedia standards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spinna17 (talk • contribs) 22:53, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


 * That does not matter. You can't copy large amounts of text from somewhere without changing it. See WP:COPYVIO. And WP:RS, as that explains what is considered reliable sources. Which are NOT primary ones. Primary sources are actually mostly considered UNreliable. Reword the text, but don't just copy-and-paste. I have reported this issue elsewhere so this may be dealt with more effectively. Cheers. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   Union of Opposites   ‖ 22:57, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You may wish to consider contributing at WikiVoyage, as that might be a more apropos venue for the kinds of edits you wish to make. Cheers. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   State of the Union   ‖ 23:02, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

User page protection
I would request an indefinite semi. It's what a lot of us who are afflicted by vandals have. --Neil N  talk to me 03:34, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It's weird since my userpage has only ever been vandalised once since I started this account in 2006. I'm fine with a couple days of semi. If it gets bad I can always do it longer term. Thanks for the concern, tho, much appreciated. Cheers! -- ‖  Ebyabe  talk -   General Health   ‖ 03:37, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

FYI
Hello E. Thanks for trying to explain things. You may have seen that FF2 just removed your post on talk page. Even though it happened four minutes after your post I'm sure that FF2 will claim that it was an accident. If you are okay with it then no worries. Cheers and enjoy your week. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 20:23, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm ok with it. I reported them at WP:AIV. Though it appears rather backlogged, so we'll see what happens. FF2 is definitely exhibiting WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT to a serious degree. Anyhoo, cheers. :) -- ‖  Ebyabe  talk -   Inspector General   ‖ 20:26, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Decided to try adding it back. Now if it is deleted again, FF2 can't claim it was 'accidental' so easily. :) -- ‖  Ebyabe  talk -   Attract and Repel   ‖ 20:28, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the replies. I can't tell if the IDHT is being paired with WP:COMPETENCE problems or not. The editor keeps claiming they understand but then they go back to the problematic editing. Oh well it'll work itself out in the wash - eventually. Cheers again. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 20:33, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

I did remove it by mistake, I didn't see it, please don't report it. As I said before and I will say it again, I am, am am, listening to what you guy's are saying to me. But lease, now after all this, no more, please. Because I'm going to a rough time right now, and I don't want anyone to give me a hard time anymore.... FrozenFan2 (talk) 20:52, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Then a word of advice. Turn off your computer and go outside. Talk a walk. Take a scenic drive. See a movie. Just get away from here for a while and clear your head. I will consider my advice successful if you do not respond. For your own sanity, just walk away. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   Inspector General   ‖ 21:31, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Coconut Grove
Hi,

I'm a first time Wikipedia editor. I made a sentence about the Coconut Grove Bed Race to to the "Coconut Grove" page and you reverted it which is fine... I'd just like to understand why.

You're feedback was "Only events with wikipedia articles pls." However, the article also has a reference to The Coconut Grove Arts festival which has an external link (e.g. it's not a wikipedia article) and this seems to be OK. What is the difference between the way The Coconut Grove Arts festival and The Coconut Grove Bed Race were referenced? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stacyhallman (talk • contribs) 00:47, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Like notable people, events should have Wikipedia articles. Notice that the other events in the section at Coconut Grove have such. Just create an article about the event, with reliable second party sources (not just the website for the event) and it should be OK. You can ask for more information at the help desk. You might also consider adding the information at WikiVoyage, as that site is more geared towards tourism. Thank you and have a nice day. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   Repel All Boarders   ‖ 03:11, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

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Jamie Dornan's image
There has been a conflict in preference over the use of image in the Jamie Dornan page, I'm hoping that a vote for which image might be preferable would settle the dispute. I am therefore writing to those who have edited Jamie Dornan page to voice their opinion in the Jamie Dornan Talk page so we can reach a consensus. I would welcome your opinion. Hzh (talk) 11:26, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Honestly, neither are really great. I'd go with the colour one b/c I think photos of modern subjects in black-and-white look odd. But that's me. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   State of the Union   ‖ 13:34, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

the tea party movement page
The problem I have is that anyone can claim they are the "tea party" There is no evidence in my opinion to say that the Koch Brothers made the first tea party page in 2002.Catsmeow8989 (talk) 16:15, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

The fringe left is inserting absolute non-sense into the article. The claim that the koch bros made the first tea party website is absolutely false. They removed the old introduction that was there for over 9 months!Catsmeow8989 (talk) 16:15, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

I wasn't talking about a new editor on may 30th. There is a serious war going on this page...the whole thing needs to be reverted back before april and locked.
 * Then argue that point. But don't change other peoples' comments. That undermines your argument. FYI, I think the obsession with the Koch brothers is a corollary to Bush Derangement Syndrome. So I agree with you to some degree. It's just your approach that is causing problems. Be calm and discuss rationally, you'll be more likely to achieve the result you're looking for that way. Cheers. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   State of the Union   ‖ 16:22, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

alright, I understand. Catsmeow8989 (talk) 16:32, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Just so you know, the old intro was this:

The origins of the current Tea Party movement can be traced back to circa 2007. The movement's beginnings were kick-started by Republican Congressman Dr. Ron Paul in 2007. His GOP presidential campaign received a 24-hour, record breaking, money bomb on December 16, 2007;[22] which is the 234th anniversary of the Boston Tea Party. This event directly contributed to creating a libertarian revival and divide in the Republican Party.[23][24][25] Ron Paul continues to be a prominent force in the Tea Party movement, such as endorsing Tea party candidates,[26] and also giving talks and speeches alongside prominent Tea party activist, and 2008 Vice Presidential candidate, Sarah Palin.[27][28]Catsmeow8989 (talk) 16:42, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Maybe the old intro could have been improved, but i think replacing that with koch bros, is just stupid imo. it's a 180 degree turn. Catsmeow8989 (talk) 16:43, 30 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Fine. Then discuss that at Talk:Tea Party movement. That's the appropriate place to talk about article improvement. Please conduct the rest of the discussion there, as posting here won't help you in changing that article. I'm afraid I'll be deleting any further posts from you on my page, b/c there's not much more point. Cheers. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   Inspector General   ‖ 16:45, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Harry Shum's maternal family name
Hello. I've seen you reverted my recent edit on Harry Shum's article regarding his maternal last name.

The alleged source (this) is a searchable database belonging to the Costa Rican Supreme Court of Elections, and therefore the page belongs to the Costa Rican government. The database gathers the data of all the people born in Costa Rican soil. Since Harry Shum, Jr. was born in this country, his data must be into the database. Searching for Harry Shum leaves an only result that matches the singer's date of birth and has "Kwan" as his maternal family name. Since there isn't any other result in the search, there's (theorically) no room for confusion, as no other man has been registered with that name in the country.

Of course, as an unexperienced contributor, I may be leaving something "uncertain" (as stated in your edition). Please let me know if there is anything wrong.

--AndSalx95 (talk) 06:21, 29 May 2015 (UTC)


 * That's is what's known around here as original research. A source must be reliable and secondary or tertiary. If you could find a magazine or newspaper article reporting this, it would be more acceptable. Please see WP:RELIABLE as to what constitutes reliable sources. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   Health and Welfare   ‖ 13:37, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm sorry. This is not the first time I got into a debate due to the original research thing. I have read the article regarding both reliable sources and original research, and despite I'm still a little bit confused about it, I think I understand the reason of the reverted edition.

--AndSalx95 (talk) 19:28, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Washington DC
Hey! I'm not sure if you saw my last message, but I was wondering why you deleted this sentence "In that vein, the city was named 2014’s Best U.S. City to Start a Career by the personal finance site, WalletHub[113]" from the Economy section of the Washington, D.C. entry? I provided the primary source (http://wallethub.com/edu/best-worst-cities-to-start-a-career/3626/), which is supported by news coverage (http://www.usnews.com/news/slideshows/the-top-10-best-cities-to-start-a-career), so I just wanted to see if I made a procedural mistake or something! Please let me know so I can fix. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarabas (talk • contribs) 16:18, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * We don't do primary sources. If you want, you can add the usnews source. Also, wallethub does not appear to be a reliable source. Please see WP:VERIFY for a fuller explanation on how to add references, and what is and is not considered reliable. Thanks. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   State of the Union   ‖ 17:30, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, please sign your posts. Just click on the signature and timestamp button that's above, to the right of the B and I (bold and italic) button. Thanks. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   Union of Opposites   ‖ 17:31, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

I followed your instructions and even showed you the addition before I did it, and you still took it down! Do you need more news stories about the study? Because there are many. Could we maybe get other people's opinions as well? It seems like a legitimate addition to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarabas (talk • contribs) 01:58, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * If you check the edit history of the article, you'll see someone else reverted your edits. You should talk to them. And please, sign your posts. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   Union of Opposites   ‖ 03:24, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Blocked user Shookallen88
Do you have something against me, because yes i sockpocketed account Tommyjourney in February of 2014 16 months ago. If I wanted to make an unblocked request I can't because my user talk is BLOCKED so I have to use my IP address account, that's all I said. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.48.201.72 (talk) 13:03, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for proving why you should continue to be blocked. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   Inspector General   ‖ 15:11, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

My point is I sockpocketed 16 months ago I was told to use the Standard Offer which is wait six months to make an appeal by another user, that user blocked my talk page for too many block envasions. My point is I waited 22 months since I got blocked the first time, but you or any other user are just saying f71.48.201.72 (talk) you don't belong here. At least I'm telling the truth about what I done instead of lieing and make it worse. Does that not count for something. — Preceding undated comment added 15:33, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * As already mentioned, please refer to Appealing_a_block for the proper methods of appealing a block. Optakeover  (Talk)  16:35, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * And Ebyabe, do give him a chance and let him appeal on his own through the correct channels. Optakeover  (Talk)  16:37, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Okey dokey by me. Cheers. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   Opposites Attract   ‖ 16:40, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Ansel Elgort Header Image Request
Hi, I'm incredibly new to wikipedia, but I've just had Ansel Elgort personally ask me if I could change his user photo to one of him preferably from the Oscars. I find that I'm not allowed to upload images (and I don't know if I could do it right even if I tried) so I thought it would be much safer to just inquire if you would be willing to attempt it? I would give him your twitter username if you happen to be on there (if that even means anything to you, I'm sorry if it doesn't, it's just that that's his main social media outlet) so he could thank you himself.

Thank you for taking the time and I'll totally understand if you just delete this whole thing!

Jaime Balaban Jackeloper (talk) 22:35, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Did you take the photo yourself? If not, what is the copyright status? Wikipedia is rather stringent on such things. The image on his page currently is actually one of the better celeb photos on here, I don't understand why he'd want to change it. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   Opposites Attract   ‖ 22:41, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

No, but I used google's search tools to specify images only "labeled for reuse" and hopefully this one meets their standards? You would know more about it than me, I'm sure. He's kind of... I don't want to actually say vain but that's really the best word for it. He wouldn't want anyone to know it, which is why he didn't tweet about it in general this time like he did when he wanted someone to get "model" out of his list of jobs.

It's from here http://todateen.uol.com.br/tt/wp-content/uploads/galerias/gatos-oscar-2015/

And it's this image specifically http://todateen.uol.com.br/tt/wp-content/uploads/galerias/gatos-oscar-2015/ansel.jpg Jackeloper (talk) 22:49, 18 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Nope, that's an image copyrighted by Getty Images. Pretty much any image you find on the internet is going to be copyrighted. The best option is to upload a picture you've taken yourself. Otherwise what's there is going to have to stay. Sorry. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   Attract and Repel   ‖ 23:01, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

If there's any way I could get a photo from him, one he took or his father, the problem would still be that I wouldn't be able to upload it. Even if he made his own account he wouldn't be able to upload it without having edited 10 pages or something like that. Oiy vey, what a headache. Thank you for your help, anyways! Jackeloper (talk) 23:05, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Nationality-focused users
I'd say it was very likely. There are a number of similarities in their editing. If they continue to edit war and make unsourced changes, I might start an SPI. Thanks for your thoughts - we'll see how it goes. Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:23, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I grew tired of this guy - the SPI is here. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:54, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Hurray! We shall see what we shall see. Cheers. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   Union of Opposites   ‖ 21:44, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * That was quick! He just got blocked. Sometimes the system does work, convoluted as it may be. :) -- ‖  Ebyabe  talk -   State of the Union   ‖ 21:46, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow! That has to be the quickest SPI I've ever seen. All three blocked. It turns out there was a fourth that had already been blocked. Let me or the admin know if you see any more suspicious edits – we ought to be able to spot them easily enough! Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:49, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Paul Banks (singer) page
You restored unsourced information on this page with no new or additional sources. Please do not repeat this action and rather include sources. Your statement that the information is already sourced is entirely incorrect. No sources exist on the page regarding DJ names along with the other information you attempted to restore without due cause.The Probability Wizard 17:55, 22 June 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Probability Wizard (talk • contribs)
 * Hey, if you can be obtuse and impervious to reason, so can I. I won't revert you again. I'll let someone else do that so you can exceed 3RR and be blocked. Of course if you could leave the article as is for a few days and discuss, that would go a long way towards maybe having your edits stay. But as long as you have this 'I-am-right-you-are-all-stupid' attitude, I don't think that's likely. Cheers, and have a splendid day. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   Inspector General   ‖ 17:59, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello Ebyabe. Given Probability Wizard's comments at Sockpuppet_investigations/Aurora_Prince, they are openly evading a block and (per WP:EVASION) can be reverted on sight "without giving any further reason and without regard to the three-revert rule". They'll likely be blocked as soon as the SPI is reviewed. --McGeddon (talk) 18:00, 22 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but I don't want to hog all the fun. :)  I do love when they dig their own holes. They should be most of the way to China by now. For the life of me, I cannot understand the mononmaniacal obsession some of these folks have. They keep getting reverted, then create new accounts to do the same thing. There's a quote about that, which for the life of me I can't remember. :) -- ‖  Ebyabe  talk -   Inspector General   ‖ 18:08, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Matthew Gray Gubler
Hi! I wanted to let you know that I've reverted an edit of yours on Matthew Gray Gubler. You reverted an unsourced IP address edit, but that IP address edit had actually itself reverted an unsourced IP address edit which deliberately added factually incorrect information. It seems like the anonymous user whose edit you reverted did not adequately explain their rationale in the edit summary, but it is clear from the edit history that they reverted vandalism. I also did a web search, and 1980 appears to be the correct date as per sources such as:. If you think I've made a mistake or would like to discuss this, feel free to respond here or on my talk page. Thanks for your contributions! ~ RobTalk 02:42, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * No, that's cool. It's hard to tell sometimes. Happy to leave it be. Now if they'd just leave the photo alone, or load a better one that we can use here, that'd be great. :)  -- ‖  Ebyabe  talk -   Opposites Attract   ‖ 02:47, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Category:Atheist
Regarding this revert, pls note Lucretius is perhaps the earliest and greatest atheist in the world. He is the author of De rerum natura which is perhaps the only materialist/atheist poem in Latin. I categorized A.E. Stallings as atheist as she is the English translator of De rerum natura and seems to agree with Lucretius' worldview. But since she has not overtly declared herself an atheist I will not revert that. But I am reverting the Lucretius edit. And about your other reverts, yes, it is not mentioned in the articles of these writers but anyone who has read them knows that they are writing from an atheistic/rationalistic viewpoint. But since this is open to debate I will not revert them. But it is hard to find RS to establish the atheism of these non-English writers on the web. -Mohanbhan (talk) 15:09, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Just because they write from a perspective doesn't mean they believe that. Does Stephen King believe in the supernatural? Are murder mystery writers murderers? If you can't prove, through reliable sources, that those people were atheists, then expect your edits to be reverted. You are interpreting that Lucretius was an atheist. He may have been a deist. But without sources, it doesn't matter. Better not to add a category than add an inaccurate one. Thank you and have a nice day. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   Border Town   ‖ 15:18, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * That's a valid point. Yes, he may have been a deist. But that's like Darwin having been a deist or agnostic, his deism or agnosticism has spawned so many atheists! At least considering his extraordinary impact on (almost) all subsequent atheist movements in the West he should be categorized atheist! But yes, the subtle point about whether he is a deist or atheist is open for debate, and thanks for initiating the discussion on Lucretius' talk page. A good day to you too. -Mohanbhan (talk) 16:41, 27 June 2015 (UTC)