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Your GA nomination of University of Notre Dame
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November 2015
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Talk: University of Notre Dame/GA3
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Your GA nomination of University of Notre Dame
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Notre Dame "In popular culture" section
Your ownership of the Notre Dame article is growing tiresome and tedious. In any case, please join the discussion I've opened on the article's Talk page. And be sure to discuss why you removed the material that I added to the article (complete with a real source - a rarity in that section!). ElKevbo (talk) 02:13, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Almost as tiresome as your ownership of the entire Wikipedia category of higher education. Also, my bad, I readded your contribution. I was wrong there. Eccekevin (talk) 02:24, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

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University of California on OTD
Hi, you took University of California out of the Ineligible section on Selected anniversaries/March 23, but it's still ineligible due to a refimprove tag in the "Peripheral enterprises" section. Regards, — howcheng  {chat} 16:19, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

May 2018
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Hostility

 * Eccekevin, Please do not declare "edit wars" as you did when editing University of California, San Francisco; you will have more success as an editor if you collaborate and assume WP:GOODFAITH. I suggest that you post your thoughts on the article talk pages rather than making hostile comments in your edit summaries. Trantorian (talk) 16:39, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I did not declare an edit war, I simply reverted an edit you've made and invited you to discuss it on the talk page. I apologize if you misunderstood that as "declaring an edit war" Eccekevin (talk) 21:38, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * You reverted my edit once, which is absolutely fine. In your edit summary, however, you said "stop editing warring" (very odd given that it is only one revert) instead of detailing your reasoning for the revert. Such hostility in the absence of rational discussion has the appearance that you are planting bait for an edit war. That discourages collaboration. For what purpose? How does this improve the quality of the article? Trantorian (talk) 04:22, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Auld Lang Syne
This article is about the poem by Burns - who in this case (as very commonly for him) was using an old folk song as the basis for his poem. The actual words of the "old song" referred to by Burns have in effect been lost, so the best we can do is to mention its (probable) existence in our 'history" section. Is this unclear or contradictory? To be fair, we do include a stanza or two from another literary reworking of the same old folk song for comparison. Without speculating too much this is probably closer to the "original" than Burns' version. This whole bit has been done to death on the talk page for the article, but a lot of useful matter has been (necessarily) archived, so you would have to hunt it up there --Soundofmusicals (talk) 00:26, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

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Post-1932 US Politics alert
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Septizodium, or Saepta Solis
This is an old mistake, sanctioned by repetition after repetition without looking at evidence or archaeological facts. Meetings could not take place IN the Septizodium, because it had no rooms. It was a three-story high fountain. See: The New Topographical Dictionary of Ancient Rome (Baltimore 1992, pp. 349-350): "It was actually no more or less that what appears from the plans and drawings that survive, a scaenae frons intended as a frame for a program of statuary, probably portraits of the imperial family. Thre is no sign of water, and though the architectures of nymphaea and scaenae frontes were always closely related and crossed boundaries with each other, it seems unlikely that water was ever intended to be introduced. Rather we should think of this as complete in itself.... What was left in the sixteenth century was a building of three storeys, progressively diminishing in height like a scaenae frons, all three with Corinthian colums.... There was evidently rich coffering in all three storeys, but the upper storeys can have been accessible only by ladders, and there is no sign of a building of any sort behind this façade." The Deaconry of Santa Lucia in Septasolio did have a church, and it seems there was a monastery attached. I go with Saepta Solis (Septasolio), not the medieval corruptions.

BTW, I walked the area when I was in Rome in 1992, and, IMHO, the clues in the sources (esp. the mention of the Clivus Scauri) suggest that the site of the electoral meeting was at some distance from the Septizodium.

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Perpetual calendar machine
What were you trying to say where you have "and over" in this edit? And have you a source? Dicklyon (talk) 22:18, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Roman Catholic
Please stop removing "Roman" from "Roman Catholic" per our conversation on WT:CATHOLIC. , a word here? Elizium23 (talk) 02:21, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You're maybe right about the dioceses (although the technical term is Latin, not Roman), but not about other instances. The term ROman, which is a protestant addition, is seldom used by Catholics themselves and institutions don't use it as an official title. Indeed, the wiki age is Catholic Church and Roman Catholic Church is just a redirect.Eccekevin (talk) 02:26, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The Roman Catholic Diocese of Phoenix
 * Roman Catholic Diocese of Gallup
 * Roman Catholic Diocese of Las Cruces
 * Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Atlanta
 * Courage: A Roman Catholic Apostolate
 * The Roman Catholic Foundation of St. Louis Elizium23 (talk) 02:33, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * At the nation’s oldest Roman Catholic law school, students of diverse backgrounds are encouraged to broaden their minds, bodies, and spirits while honing their intellectual and professional skills to serve the good of all. Elizium23 (talk) 02:34, 14 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Well, first of all, that link is factually incorrect because it is the second oldest Catholic law school. (in the about section, it is described as a Catholic, not Roman Catholic). Secondly, the Wikipedia page is Catholic Church], not [[Roman Catholic, which is a redirect. So the correct term (when liturgical rite such as in dioceses are not concerned). Additionally, as an alumnus, I know firsthand there are many Eastern-Catholics and non-Latin liturgy is recited, so saying it's Roman Catholic is also incorrect by your own standard.

I apologize if I came out strongly, I appreciate your work. But I strongly disagree with using the Protestant and reductive term when it is inappropriate and incorrect. the University of Notre Dame, as the page itself states, is best described on Wikipedia as Catholic, not Roman Catholic. Eccekevin (talk) 02:39, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Elizium23, is there an RfC somewhere, or a line in the MOS? Maybe there should be, so we can more easily codify it. Eccekevin, I personally don't have a dog in this fight (though my RC family still puts the R in RC), but there is a project-wide consensus, at least a tacit one, and we should stick to that. That's not to say it can't change, but that's not a discussion to wage in article space, user talk pages, or edit summaries: it needs broader discussion than that. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 02:57, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , it's been beaten deader than a horse in Talk:Catholic Church archives. Elizium23 (talk) 02:58, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * OK but no one is going to go through the archives to look for it. If the horse is plenty dead, then its might as well be put on display at Manual of Style/Catholic Church, for instance. Seriously, go for it and add that entry, with a few links to relevant archives--that would make everything easier, and we'll make a redirect like WP:MOSRoman or something like that. Drmies (talk) 03:01, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

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October 2020
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 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

Notre Dame College of Arts and Letters
Please do not add promotional material to Wikipedia. While objective prose about beliefs, organisations, people, products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not a vehicle for soapboxing, advertising or promotion. Thank you. Mean as custard (talk) 09:33, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Let's be clear, the stuff you have removed (and in many ways you were right to remove it) was not added by me. I just reverted your edit because you just emptied a page without discussion. While you were right that there was stuff that needed to be removed, your solution was a bit drastic and there was info that deserved to be kept.Eccekevin (talk) 21:18, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Justin Amash
Apologies for reverting your edit on Justin Amash - happened to mis-click 'rollback' on my Watchlist. Cheers ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia  talk  21:20, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Successor
Okay, so even after looking at the discussion, why are hidden parameters being deleted when they don't even show? Snickers2686 (talk) 21:24, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Since you've been implementing hiding or deleting the would-be successors from infoboxes. Don't forget the US governors & lieutenant governors. GoodDay (talk) 16:15, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * No, since the field's use is currently under discussion we should not be unilaterally reverting editors to push our POV. Therequiembellishere (talk) 16:46, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The current policy for Template:Infobox officeholder is: "The infobox for an incumbent officeholder should not mention an elected or designated successor, or the end date of the term, until the transition actually takes place." Changing the policy is under discussion. Until the policy is changes, the successor parameter should be empty until succession.Eccekevin (talk) 20:57, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Both are proposed compromises are being rejected :( GoodDay (talk) 03:03, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

November 2020
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 * Since the Michelle Steel article is within the realm of US politics, it would be a very good idea for you to engage in talk page discussion before attempting to re-add the material, especially since there appears to be agreement at Talk:Michelle Steel to leave it out. —C.Fred (talk) 16:35, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

January 2021
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Note, you have 3 prior warnings re Wikipedia:Edit warring.

Specifically, you are repeatedly reinserting content into the article's WP:LEAD.


 * 19:40, 7 January 2021 ...contributing to the riots.
 * 22:35, 7 January 2021 ...and inciting the riot
 * 23:29, 7 January 2021 ...and inciting the riot
 * 01:15, 8 January 2021 ...and creating the climate for the riot

and elsewhere in the article:
 * 19:27, 7 January 2021 ...incited the Capitol riots
 * 22:20, 7 January 2021 ...responsible for inciting the riots.

UW Dawgs (talk) 05:59, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, as you did at Josh Hawley, you may be blocked from editing.

Specifically, with this edit you removed a cited section on Israel using a misleading WP:Edit summary of "improve wording", while changing prose in a different section from "both ahead of" to "leading up to". UW Dawgs (talk) 20:08, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Removing the section on Israel was a genuine mistake.Eccekevin (talk) 22:42, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Lede / Lead
I just realized that "Lede" is also correct word for "Lead". I corrected a typo in your post, but I was wrong - both words are correct (I am not native english speaker, so I didn't know that). Sorry :) Felix558 (talk) 22:11, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's confusing. Thanks! And thanks for your good work on the page Joe Biden.Eccekevin (talk) 22:40, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Dunne Hall (University of Notre Dame)


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Copying within Wikipedia requires attribution
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 * Yes, but I myself was the author of both. Do I still need to? Thank you for your help. Eccekevin (talk) 00:03, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

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 * Thank you Wugapodes Eccekevin (talk) 02:21, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Canvassing
You appear to be canvassing for AfD. , This should stop immediately or this will need to be brought to ANI for a topic ban from AfD. You are free to post to talk pages of Wikiprojects, but leaving messages for individual editors you believe will support your position is canvassing. I will note this for the closer, but take no further action if you cease.  // Timothy :: talk  10:22, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I am not canvassing for an AfD, I am simply reaching out to members to help me source pages since there's a lot of work to do. This is in line with WP:APPNOTE. (Also, I ohpr you don't mind but I corrected your typo, since canvassing is spelled with two S's) Eccekevin (talk) 10:33, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You've made your point, you will not stop canvassing. You've clearly violated WP:VOTESTACKING, but I will wait until after the AfDs close to go to ANI.  // Timothy :: talk  18:55, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * First of all, I never did canvass nor votestack. Secondly, I have not posted on anyone's page since you said that, so even what you call canvassing has 'stopped'.Eccekevin (talk) 18:57, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Inserting your comment in between the end of my comment and my signature here is very inappropriate. Also alterting your comments after other editors have replied is also very inappropriate.  // Timothy :: talk  19:55, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * That was an honest mistake. And I never altered my comments on people's talk pages. Regarding my comments, I am just updating with more sources as I gather them. Eccekevin (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I would strike your mistake, with an explanatory edit summary. Altering your own comments in anyway (except for typos) after they have been replied to in any discussion, but especially at AfD is very inappropriate; it gives the false impression those that have replied did not read, understand or ignored the substance of your comment when they replied. If you have new sources you can add them to the article or in a new comment. If you look at Canvassing, you will see that partisan notifications are vote stacking.  // Timothy :: talk  20:10, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Refactored your comment
Hi, I refactored your comment slightly on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography (section), as I felt that as it stood, it did not reflect your intent. Please have a look.

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April 2021
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 * Historyday01 I am sympathetic to the work you are conducting on that page, but you cannot remove tags without adding a proper citations. Please read Citation needed. Eccekevin (talk) 02:00, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I am glad to hear that and I just updated those entries. And I just added many more sources today, all of which say those two characters are ambiguous.Historyday01 (talk) 02:03, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Historyday01, none of those sources use the word "Ambiguous", so they are not proper citations for what you need. Eccekevin (talk) 02:08, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok. Looked at the sources and I made them a little clearer. I changed Princess Sapphire to trans woman or genderqueer (as that's what Erica Friedman says) and Queer for Oscar François de Jarjayes (as that's what CBR says). Historyday01 (talk) 02:17, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, better, but read WP:BLPSPS. You still cannot use Blogs as sources. Eccekevin (talk) 02:29, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree, generally, but her blog (not her Twitter of course) is a reliable source based on her role in the anime/manga space when it comes to reviewing content. I mentioned this more on Talk:List of animated series with LGBTQ characters. If you would like to additional citations, be my guest, but I have limited time and cannot spend every waking moment on Wikipedia. Historyday01 (talk) 02:53, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Ethnic Names
Hi! I saw that you undid the revision on Chesa Boudin's Chinese name, and I would like to point out that Chesa publicly puts his Chinese name right next to this Twitter handle and his campaign posters, and directly works with a lot of the Chinese community despite not being of Chinese descent. See Dashan, who has his Chinese name on his wiki page despite not being of Chinese descent, and Jackson Wang, who has his Korean name on his wiki despite not being Korean. Maskoff89 (talk) 20:55, 12 May 2021 (UTC)


 * That's a common practice among San Francisco politicians. That doesn't mean every SF politician's page should have a Chinese name if they're not Chinese. Eccekevin (talk) 21:07, 12 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Got it, so should I delete the ethnic names of other people on wikipedia as they are not of that ethnicity like the ones I mentioned above, I'm kinda new here so I'm trying to understand everything! Maskoff89 (talk) 21:13, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia works by policies and consensus. Whatever the consesus is for a specific page is what should be. If you find cases in which you disagree with the presence of such names or so, you can post on the talk page. Eccekevin (talk) 21:46, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I understand, I was just asking your opinion as you reverted my edit on Chesa's page.Maskoff89 (talk) 22:03, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * A Chinese name should be included if it has a special relevance to that subject, either they’re Chinese, have lived in China and are known by that name, is often found in the sources, or other. In San Francisco, candidates often put a Chinese transliteration on their Twitter page for recognizability, but I don’t think that’s enough, especially since it’s not found in any other independent source, which their personal Twitter is not. Eccekevin (talk) 02:00, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement § Normchou
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement § Normchou. Shibboleth ink (♔ ♕) 00:18, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Is there a part of "If an edit you make is reverted you must discuss on the talk page and wait 24 hours before reinstating your edit" you find confusing?
A self-revert may be wise, before repercussions hit. Zaathras (talk) 03:20, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The Onus is on those trying to remove something without a discussion. Eccekevin (talk) 05:11, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

A couple of talk page tips
Hi, Eccekevin. Thanks for your input at Talk:Joe Biden. Just a couple of notes: please don’t put your edits in the middle of someone else’s. That just makes it impossible to track who is saying what. I have moved your responses down so they are below mine. Also, a trick I learned about citing references on a talk page: below the note where you cite the references, insert. That will collect the references right below where you cited them, hidden under a hat so they don’t clutter up the discussion. Look at the discussion page and you will see what I mean. You can also use which will display the references without hiding them under a hat. If you don’t put anything, the references will fall to the bottom of the talk page, where they will be in the way and hard to connect with the place where they are cited. Always learning at this place! -- MelanieN (talk) 18:27, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your helpful tips!Eccekevin (talk) 18:33, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) In fact there's a perfect example of what I am talking about, right here on your user talk page. See the two references at the bottom of this page, under this note, kind of orphaned? They are there because someone cited references above, in the note headed “Ethnic Names”, and they didn’t add a references template. So they fall to the bottom of the talk page. You can fix that if you want, by putting one of those templates under the place where they cited the references. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:37, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Roman-Catholic gay popes
Hy ! There are many gay Roman-Catholic popes in history.

Read WP:CATLGBT. There needs to be an academic consensus and good sources, not a simple list article on a non-academic online magazine.Eccekevin (talk) 19:48, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Advocate.com: Gay popes --188.96.230.248 (talk) 19:46, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * its a good academic list by a very good source: Advocate. --188.96.230.248 (talk) 19:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It is a magazine, not an academic source. Also, a consensus among sources is needed, read WP:CATLGBT. Eccekevin (talk) 20:31, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It' s both ! --188.96.230.248 (talk) 21:16, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It is a magazine, not a peer-reviewed academic journal, source, or book. Eccekevin (talk) 21:17, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:University of Mississippi
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Reminder about what isn't vandalism
Good-faith edits, like this one, are not vandalism. There is a legitimate content dispute about how to present this individual's nationality, and I don't think either side is editing in bad faith here. However, continuing to label good-faith edits as vandalism viewed as an attack on those editors. —C.Fred (talk) 02:00, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * While I generally agree, in this case this page is constantly targeted by IP addresses, sock puppets, and other shady accounts for political/nationalistic reasons. Users that are aware of the nuanced conversation on ethnicity will discuss on the talk page, but vandals will edit the page without going to talk first. Eccekevin (talk) 20:38, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

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 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

October 2021
Hello, regarding your edit of the page University of Notre Dame, the word "changes" is a more appropriate word, as some of the changes that happened under Hesburgh's administration were and are still controversial especially among many Catholics. The word "changes" maintains the neutrality of the article. Jjfun3695 (talk) 02:21, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

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Do you have a source for this?


IIRC (please correct me if I'm wrong), Professor Oka Mihoko referred to him as a 奴隷 (slave; I've never seen it translated "page") in the NHK documentary this May. She posted a number of criticisms of the final product on her blog, but "they called him a slave, but he was a page, not a slave" doesn't seem to have been one of them.

Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 04:24, 13 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi, thank you for your comment. I just reverted the IP addition of the fact that he was a slave owned by Valignano for the following reasons:
 * The IP user who added that he was a slave of Valignano did not add any sources
 * The primary sources, such as the Histoire Ecclesiastique Des Isles Et Royaumes Du Japon, don't use the word slave but words such as "valet" and I have found no primary sources that explicitly state he was a slave owned by Valignano.
 * I also haven't found any secondary academic source that state with certainty that he was a slave owned by Valignano, and the few ones I have seen alsways treat it as a possibility. Professor Lockley states that it is a possibility that he was a slave as a child and brought to Inidia as such, but that he likely was freed there before he met Valignano.
 * Does Professor Oka Mihoko state that there is proof he was a slave owned by Valignano? If yes, could you link the source? I was not able to find it.
 * He might have been a slave before he met Valignano, but this does not mean that Valignano was his slave owner.
 * Finally, and most importantly, I think we have to be very careful how we state it. Because it is a supposition without primary evidence in the sources, but it is possible that he was a slave according to some authors, I think it should be phrased something like: "Some authors believe he might have been a slave, potentially owned by Valignano when he arrived in Japan". I don't think we can write that he was "a slave of Valignano" without having any hard evidence and agreement among scholars (I inserted this but it was deleted). Wikipedia policy is very careful about not overstating the knowledge we have. What do you think? Eccekevin (talk) 09:15, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I will get to the rest of your comment when I have time (and when I've rechecked the sources, which I haven't looked at since June), but this is important: please do not call Lockley a "professor". He is an associate professor of English. Oka Mihoko is a full professor of history historian, specializing in Japanese international relations during the period in question, at the most prestigious university in Japan.
 * In the meantime, would you mind telling me which secondary academic sources you have consulted? Professional academics are unlikely to "state with certainty" much at all about Yasuke's biography given the paucity of sources. History is, to quote Bart Ehrman, about establishing "what probably happened in the past", so it's a judgement call. In this case, we have one primary source referring to Valignano being given three slaves in Africa, sending two home, and keeping one with him, and then a reference to him presenting a black man to Nobunaga later on his voyage. Given this evidence, and the fact that a Todai professor scholar specializing in the relevant field says it was probably the same guy, I think you'll have an uphill battle arguing that he was not a slave without falling into OR or reliance on sub-par pop culture sources (like the above Time article about the Netflix cartoon).
 * On a loosely related note, I'd love to get your take on User:Hijiri88/Matadayū: I'm hoping to make it a WAM entry by the end of the month.
 * Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 15:25, 13 November 2021 (UTC) (edited 15:47, 14 November 2021 (UTC), since apparently [according to NHK] Oka is a 准教授 like Thomas, but unlike Thomas she is a historian rather than language instructor; anyway, my bad)
 * Exactly, as you say, historians are very careful about making absolute claims, and Wikipedia is too. That's why I said that we should be very careful about how we phrase it. I didn't say we should say he was never a slave, but that we should present the facts with nuance and attribute information. We should write "professor X says ... and that they conclude that he was possibly a slave because ..." with the appropriate sources, rather than claiming with absolute certainty that he was a slave, since we cannot know this for sure, we only have clues.
 * That's my whole point, we cannot make absolute claims about Yasuke because so little is known. You're very right that we cannot claim "he was a samurai", in the same way we cannot for certain claim he was a slave, we can only say what the experts conclude and their theories and present them to the reader, not make a judgement call in the lede.
 * Can you link the sources of Mihono claiming he was a slave? I could not find them. And can you link the primary source referencing the slaves being given to Valignano in Africa?
 * Of course, I will take a look at Matadayū. Thank you!

Eccekevin (talk) 21:04, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Exactly, as you say, historians are very careful about making absolute claims, and Wikipedia is too. That's why I said that we should be very careful about how we phrase it. FWIW, I don't think Wikipedia is supposed to be careful about the kind of claims it makes based on the presence or absence of primary sources: it follows the best-quality secondary and tertiary sources, in this case professional historians with training in the relevant research areas. The only specialists I know of who have commented on Yasuke are Oka Mihoko and Kaneko Hiraku (both professional historians affiliated with the University of Tokyo, the former a specialist in Japan's European relations in the 16th century and the latter a scholar of Oda Nobunaga). I haven't checked what the latter wrote on the matter since June, but the former definitely considers Yasuke to have been the slave acquired by Valignano in Africa. Here's the link, anyway (the primary source is apparently a recent discovery [although I don't trust the NHK narrator when he says that] dug up in the Jesuit archives in Rome, a letter Valignano sent to Rome dated 7 August 1574 -- the camera hones in on what very much looks like the word wikt:schiavi, which both Oka herself and the narrator translate into Japanese wikt:奴隷; Valignano apparently gave away a number of the slaves, keeping three for himself, and sending two of those three to the monastery of São Roque in Lisbon [or something like that]). Oka had problems with the final product, but if the issue was their editing around her to make it look like she was saying the exact words she says in this particular portion of the documentary, she probably would have mentioned that. The problems she discussed on her blog instead have much more to do with the credulity that the documentary gave to Lockley's views about Yasuke's ultimate fate, nothing to do with where he came from. As for Kaneko, he doesn't talk about "Yasuke" so much as the textual tradition of the Nobunaga Kōki: he's been misquoted by Lockley and others as referring to a particular text (the Sonkeikaku-bon) as being an "earlier edition", but he actually seems to consider it a later aberrant text, which adds in details apparently taken from other, now lost, written sources or from eyewitness testimony, and among these additions is a reference to Yasuke; it's unlikely Kaneko passively refers to Yasuke as a 奴隷 in his brief discussion of the passage in question, but he definitely did not say "I don't consider Yasuke to have been a slave", since that would have had nothing to do with the textual analysis he was engaged in. (Kaneko was interviewed in the NHK documentary, but he talks only of the position attributed to Yasuke by the Sonkeikaku text after his being presented to Nobunaga, not about whether he was a slave before that.) Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 15:47, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 * For dubious claims, such as him being a samurai or a slave, Wikipedia needs to provide attribution for the claims (in line with WP:ATT). Given this rule, we need to attribute which historians claim he was a slave, not merely say 'he was a slave'. Hence, why I am looking for positive claims in the secondary and tertiary sources. That's the issue, as you know well there are so few sources on the topic, and I don't think a NHK docuemtary counts. Did Kaneko or Oka write any peer-reviewed papers or books on Yasuke? she probably would have mentioned that this is an assumption that we cannot make, we can't prove a negative. Overall, we can't work on supposition, which is why I am trying to find definitive claims by historians. The only one who has expressed an opinion on the topic so far is Lockley, although as you said yourself he's not properly a historian. Eccekevin (talk) 02:20, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * For dubious claims, such as him being a samurai or a slave, Wikipedia needs to provide attribution for the claims (in line with WP:ATT). Given this rule, we need to attribute which historians claim he was a slave, not merely say 'he was a slave'. Hence, why I am looking for positive claims in the secondary and tertiary sources. Would you apply the same standard to the claim that Yasuke existed as a historical person and is not, say, an amalgam of unrelated people or even semi-fictional references made in dubious sources, inferred by some modern scholars as "probably" having existed historically? Did Kaneko or Oka write any peer-reviewed papers or books on Yasuke? No. Kaneko wrote a seemingly well-regarded scholarly monograph on the Nobunaga Kōki, and in his discussion of one variant text, which he says can't be dismissed as a wholly derivative forgery, discusses Yasuke to some extent. To the best of my knowledge, there has never been any peer-reviewed academic paper or book on the subject (Thomas Lockley's pop history writings have not been peer-reviewed by professional historians, the closest being a piece submitted to a seemingly-not-peer-reviewed Law School faculty organ), though, so I don't know how that is relevant: if no one has written a peer-reviewed book or paper focusing on a particular historical figure, does said person not meet GNG? this is an assumption that we cannot make, we can't prove a negative. Have you read her blogs? I'm sorry, but before I engage in a discussion of the relevance of a Japanese-language blog by a professional historian, I need to know if you can read or understand Japanese. Anyway, you seem to have it the wrong way around: you are making an assumption that, just because I have been unable to find a retraction of the positive statement Oka made in the interview, it doesn't mean no retraction exists. The only one who has expressed an opinion on the topic so far is Lockley, although as you said yourself he's not properly a historian. Again, I'm going to have to ask you: do you speak Japanese and have you watched the Oka interview where she refers to Yasuke as a slave. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 02:58, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, the WP:ATT standard applies to anything on Wikipedia, including his existence as a person. But WP:ATT is only required when something is contested, but so far no editor has contested it. You can read the guideline page. Eccekevin (talk) 04:51, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It violates WP:NOR (if not in letter then certainly in spirit) to include inline attribution for only those claims that at least one "editor" has contested. If I or someone else applied the same "beyond a reasonable doubt"-esque standard to his historical existence as you have been doing to his having been a slave acquired by Valignano, then would you be willing to edit the article to say he is a hypothetical person believed by X, Y and Z to have existed?
 * Do you accept that history is about establishing what probably happened in the past and that historians generally don't talk about what "possibly" happened or what "definitely, beyond all doubt" happened?
 * Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 06:06, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but no, read WP:ATT. Anything contested needs attribution, and that's not OR. Although everything on Wikipedia must be attributable, in practice, not all material is attributed. Editors should provide attribution for quotations and for any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or it may be removed. The burden of evidence lies with the editor wishing to add or retain the material. No one here is questioning the existence of Yasuke. But if someone did, then yes, we'd have to provide attribution (although int hat case it would be easy, so no issue).
 * And yes, of course this is about establishing what probably happened. Hence why we need to phrase it as such, not misguide the reader by saying that he was a slave without any doubt. Eccekevin (talk) 06:09, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I already have provided attribution here and on the article talk page: you are talking about inserting the attribution into the article in a manner that implies it is a view that is not widely held. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 07:03, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I am talking about providing attribution, the manner of which can be discussed.Eccekevin (talk) 07:35, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * the manner of which can be discussed Are you open to just using an inline citation like in most of the statements in most of our history articles, and matter-of-factly describing him as a slave in the article prose? I am uncomfortable with anything equivalent to According to [Oka], he was likely a slave acquired by Valignano in Africa and mentioned in one of Valignano's correspondences, but according to [Someone], he was likely never a slave because of [such-and-such reasoning] unless you can provide evidence that [Someone] is a reputable historian and/or [such-and-such reasoning] has gone through some kind of peer review. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 09:42, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The green text you wrote is exactly how this should work according to WP:ATT (even just the first half with Oka). Additionally, is there a Oka source that is not the documentary? As you and others have pointed out, that's not the best source either and is not peer-reviewed.Eccekevin (talk) 18:10, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The green text you wrote is exactly how this should work according to WP:ATT (even just the first half with Oka). I've been ignoring your citing of the unfamiliar acronym ATT until just now. (I was assuming good faith and therefore guessing that you were misreading an actual policy page.) But WP:ATT is a failed policy proposal. Do you now understand how your proposal violates the actual policies of WP:WEIGHT and WP:NOR? is there a Oka source that is not the documentary? Her blog. Again I'll ask, do you read Japanese? As you and others have pointed out, that's not the best source either and is not peer-reviewed. You need a reliable source to make that claim. Otherwise, we take the Oka interview as being generally accurate. My problems with the documentary are Oka's: they also interviewed non-specialists whose views they presented as though they were good history. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 00:49, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Verifiability, which is a policy, states the same: Attribute all quotations and any material whose verifiability is challenged or likely to be challenged to a reliable, published source using an inline citation. ([WP:ATT]] was a merger page, its elements all come from WIkipedia policies). Hence, you need to cite and attribute the source for the claim that he was a slave. According to WP:CHALLENGE, the burden of proof is on those supporting inclusion. Eccekevin (talk) 00:58, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * That quote refers to inline citations. I have always interpreted it, in writing articles (but not criticizing others' articles) as meaning Attribute all content to a reliable, published source using an inline citation. It has nothing whatsoever to do with writing Scholar X says such-and-such [but I say different].
 * Anyway, you've been highly evasive throughout this discussion, so I'll ask you again: do you read Japanese, and have you read Oka's blogs on the matter?
 * Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 01:55, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I have restored the stable version of the article, since you have consistently failed to provide any reliable sources in support of your claims, and have repeatedly dodged virtually all of my questions. Do not revert back without a reliable source. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 08:32, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

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Hi, Eccekevin. I won't continue discussing with you via edit summary as we are getting nowhere. The disputed statement in the lead is a misleading and gross oversimplification, whether he became a secular hero (he did!) much later (centuries!) after his death or not. The balance about who thought possitively about the guy or, for that matter, who even cared for the guy before the late 18th century is much nuanced that the unattributed and vague "widely venerated" "in the centuries after his death", which I think you have failed to properly source so far. Regards.--Asqueladd (talk) 23:22, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

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 * Changing "Spanish architect" to "architect" is also not valid until a consensus is reached. To follow WP:BRD you need to please undo this edit and restore "Spanish architect" in the short description. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 17:15, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

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 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
 * Truly unnecessary. You know full well all I do is comply with WP:BRD and in no way am I engaged in an edit war.Eccekevin (talk) 21:42, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
 * You've twice reverted the same material (removed by two different editors); that is de jure edit warring. You've been warned previously and you're an experienced editor - you know better. Claiming that the editors didn't discuss their edits when we both left very clear, succinct edit summaries is disingenuous.
 * I've opened a discussion in Talk. Please participate. ElKevbo (talk) 21:54, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Succint summaries do not make up for a lack of discussion in the talk page. I simply reverted to the stable version of the page while discussion starts, this is by the book procedure. Eccekevin (talk) 22:45, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

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 * I was reverting to status quo what appears to be vandalism. Eccekevin (talk) 01:19, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
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Concerning the "current concensus" -There isn't one, and that is why there have been several changes. As the primary writer of this article (several years back), I agree with a recent poster that the word "Italian" needs to go in there. But Leonardo is not famous for being n Italian. It is a descriptive word, and he could be equally well served by being descrobed as "Tuscan" or "Florentine" or "Renaissance".

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 * The page has settled for a while on using Italian, so it is the current consensus, although a RfC could change that. That said, I very much disagree with the statement that he is not famous for being Italian, since he is a national symbol of Italy both within the country and abroad. Finally, eminent sources, like Britannica, describe him as "an Ialian polymath", and was Wikipedia editors we follow the sources. Finally, it is common practice and settled consensus on Wikipedia, for example the page on Albrecht Dürer uses German in the first sentence, despite being as far from the creation of Germany as Leonardo was from Italy. Eccekevin (talk) 01:29, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * OK. Amandajm (talk) 17:33, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

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