User talk:EchoSpark

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Patexia article request
Hello, EchoSpark, and welcome to editing Wikipedia. Thanks for your request on Requested articles/Business and economics/Companies for an article on Patexia. I will be drafting a stub page in the next few days, but I am also relatively new to wikipedia, and will be asking for your help to expand it.

The most serious error leading to deletion of articles on companies is inappropriate promotional tone, or content that is promotional in presenting descriptions of the company's products or services.

An article on companies must include what makes it notable enough to be included in an encyclopedia, and can also include history of the company, its founder(s), description of its business plan, size (assets, number of employees, number of facilities), analysis by reliable third party sources of its relevance and impact, and any relevant litigation involving the company. I look forward to collaborating with you. --Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 00:53, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Grand'mere Eugene! Thanks for the welcome! I am cognizant of that an article on Wikipedia about a company needs to add to the entire encyclopedia, and not simply be promotional. I'm more than happy to contribute to the page's construction, and with my obvious conflict of interest, I'm glad to be able to collaborate to make sure the article's quality stays up to standard.

Thanks again, and I'm looking forward to collaborating with you as well! --EchoSpark (talk) 03:24, 16 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi EchoSpark,
 * I began a draft, here, and I would appreciate your review and revisions.
 * I'm concerned that the company may still be too new to meet the notability requirement.
 * Could you provide more suggestions for sections 3 and 4? These are the toughest pieces, as it's hard to avoid sounding promotional.
 * For the infobox, is there a logo available? --Cheers!--Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 00:42, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Grand'mere Eugene,
 * Perfect! I'll make sure to take a look immediately. I understand the concerns about the notability requirement. My thought is the USPTO news and the number of articles show a transition from stealth mode to public profile that can meet the notability requirements, but I'd be happy to hear what you think.
 * I'll focus on those, and make my contributions as the weekend comes closer. I also have a logo that I can put up. Thanks! --EchoSpark (talk) 00:04, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Take a look at Article One Partners-- I think since the Patexia Crowdsourced Prior Art Contests site shows approximately 100 contests, we should select some of the more notable clients to feature. Do you have time to find some appropriate completed ones? --Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 02:29, 25 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Took a look at several of the contests. The company sponsors are not disclosed on the site, but some of these same patents are cited in litigation that is publicly available. My only concern is WP:NOR, but because it's all publicly available court documents I think it should be fine. Let me do some searching and I'll revise.
 * On a separate note, I really liked the Draft:Patexia section. I thought it was really well written. It flowed nicely from Draft:Patexia. I took the liberty of adding a new reference citation to Draft :Patexia and Draft:Patexia using the CrunchBase article. I tried to model it after Square,_Inc. for formatting and WP:NPOV. I hope you like it and, as always, I appreciate any feedback you might have. --EchoSpark (talk) 05:26, 25 August 2014 (UTC)


 * You've added good information, including an interview in Persian that provided my first experience relying on a (somewhat clunky and inscrutable) Google translation. Are you confident this source is RELIABLE and INDEPENDENT? It may be less independent than other of the references because it is an interview with the company founder. But since it is not the only reference cited, it is probably okay to use it in a limited way if it is reliable.
 * I like most of your edits–they are improvements and the article is starting to shape up. I have made changes primarily to your edits on products and services, because in my experience, articles with more detailed descriptions of specifically named products are candidates for speedy deletion as unambiguous promotion, per G11 I also noticed that your last edit was tagged on the article history page as "possible self promotion in Userspace," and I'm not sure whether that refers to your COI disclosure or something else, as it has not appeared on the history for any of your other edits. To be compliant with WP's prohibition on promotional materials, I strongly advise using a more general description of the products. --Any progress on identifying example completed contests? Cheers! --Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 21:37, 25 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I'm glad you liked the edits! From what I could scrounge up, [Roozafarin] could be summarized as the Iranian/Persian expat version of TechCrunch. I'm pretty confident it's INDEPENDENT and RELIABLE since its not a press-release, the article presents it as an edited version of the interview, and I tried to confine it to description of what the company's founder goal for their products, not descriptions of what the product can accomplish.
 * Also thanks for the catch with the G11. I was worried about that and tried to mimic Square,_Inc., but I like your version. You're right, less is more and that's more obviously WP:NPOV.
 * I did find an example of a completed contest and I'll add it now. Also I found a logo [here]. I don't think I can upload since I'm not autoconfirmed. --EchoSpark (talk) 01:21, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Just saw your addition of the example--it's exactly what is needed. I especially liked the reference at the end of it to the $5K award to the EE grad student. Nice touch! I'll see whether I can upload the logo. --Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 02:49, 26 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Added the example of a completed contest and did some c/e of the Products and services page. Do you think we should add the names of the products, or keep it as a general description? Also, love the visual editor. Saw the tag on your edits. Thanks for the referral! --EchoSpark (talk) 02:50, 26 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I forgot that a logo can't be uploaded until the article is in mainspace, so will wait a bit for that. I think inserting product names takes it closer to that invisible line between NPOV and promotion. It seems the Square,_Inc. article was approved 3 and a half years before the product section appeared on 18 October 2013. The talkpage has one editor objecting it sounded like an advertisement shortly after that, but that was dismissed by another editor. I've observed new articles about companies get extra scrutiny, as they should, and I prefer to stay well away from that "promotion" line. We also need to be mindful to minimize the number of citations of Patexia's website, currently 7 of 16 references. If you know of alternative sources that verify the information from those sources, it's better to cite an independent source rather than Patexia.
 * Glad you found the visual editor, and you may have already discovered some of its limitations. I prefer WYSIWYG, which it mostly is, but occasionally I need to switch midstream to edit source code to indent a block quote or inset an infobox, or search for some of the invisible characters that get inserted when I cut and paste a quote. If you haven't tried switching, see the page options icon (3 horizontal bars) in the Edit Beta window, top menu, to the left of the save page button, select the bottom option "switch to source."
 * Cheers!--Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 05:09, 27 August 2014 (UTC)


 * If you have time to find a couple more past public studies, I think we are almost ready to invite another editor from WikiProject_Companies to review the article. --Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 07:25, 1 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the edits last week. Just got to them (yay work). I added another public search example, added two new citations from Intellogist, and did another run through to clean up what I can.
 * I took a look at each of the cites to Patexia (we're now at 5 out of 18). 2 are links to the past public studies, so those I think are inherent to the article. 1 is a press release which I tried to replace. I'll continue looking but I'm not optimistic. The final 2 are listings of the lawsuits the past public studies are involved in using Patexia's patent lawsuit search engine. I could replace them with an alternative but the usual free suspects (RPX, Patent Buddy, Google) don't have it easily accessible. I could cite the court documents, but my concern is that it might be excessive.
 * As always, I'd love any feedback you might have. Thanks again Grand&#39;mere! --EchoSpark (talk) 23:04, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Celebrate your good work
Hi EchoSpark, Last night I moved the draft Patexia to article space, and I wanted to thank you for your strong contributions. The article will still be reviewed in the normal article curation process, and of course we can continue to improve it. If you have suggestions to modify it, please leave a note on the article's talk page, which I will continue to include on my watchlist, or drop me a note on my talk page. Thanks for your commitment to creating the article and providing strong resources. Good work. — Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 16:49, 9 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Grand&#39;mere Eugene! That's awesome. It's definitely cool to see an article go from suggestion to the article space, and your guidance and suggestions along the way have been really helpful. Thanks for your patience and for the kind words. I'll definitely continue to monitor, and I'm excited to use the Visual Editor to continue c/e around Wikipedia. Thanks again! --EchoSpark (talk) 19:04, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Conflict of interest
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Nomination of Patexia for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Patexia is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Patexia until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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