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Montgomery Park Race Track

 * Please, which other page needs to be history-merged into page Montgomery Park Race Track? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:33, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Performance chart
I'd love one of your Football League performance charts for Millwall. It'd look great at the beginning of the 'Entering the Football League' section in the article. You can use Millwall seasons as a source for the data, I put a column for tiers. Would it be possible to make the line blue and white, like the Norwich green and yellow one. I think it really makes the data stand out. Cheers mate. BillyBatty (talk) 13:44, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

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A kitten for you!
I really like your symbol for Feminist Philosophy, used in the sidebar on the Judith Butler article. Combining the symbol for female with a question mark was so creative and cool. :-)

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Thanks for the kitten, but I can't take all of the credit. That file is just WeegaweeK's graphic on Commons named File:Feminist philosophy.png converted to a scalable vector graphic that provides a 98.8% smaller file that should load faster. EclecticArkie  (talk) 15:33, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks for adding an SVG graph!
Thank you so much for adding an SVG graph of Bath City F.C. seasons, it's really helpful, you don't understand how much I appreciate it.

That being said, I have a few small issues.

1) The tier/level seems to be the same for; "Third Division and "League Two" and; "First Division" and "Championship" etc.. which I don't really understand.

2) With the majority of Eclectic Arkie's graphs, the "tier" column is present, when it isn't, it's harder for the viewer to tell what sought of level the club was playing at, especially during the earlier years.

3) I'm not sure if all the different colours are necessary, it must makes the article look a bit child-like and messy. Shades of /black/grey/white look a bit more clean and professional.

If possible, maybe using a slightly similar format to your other work. If not, maybe I should have ago. But, honestly, thank you so much Joseph1891 11:21, 15 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the kind words. The charts are definitely a labor of love.


 * All of the points you raise illustrate why I have been reluctant to delve into non-League clubs. The following notes relate numerically to your 1), 2), 3) above.


 * 1) With all of the leagues added to English football over the last century, it seemed to me that it was necessary to label the various levels by the name of the league rather than simply by "Tier X". With previous charts, the stability of the Football League made it easy to label the levels "Tier 1", etc., and use that as a standard approach. With a non-League chart, visually representing the Southern League, for example, as it was pushed from tier 3 to tier 7 can get difficult to display in a clear and unmistakable manner.


 * Also, as the chart marches through the years, I renamed the leagues to reflect changes in branding, i.e. the second tier of the League being named the "Second Division", then "First Division" after the formation of the Premier League, then the "Championship" with the subsequent re-branding. Likewise with the Third and Fourth Divisions.


 * 2) It would be quite easy to add Tier labels on an update on the right side of the chart.


 * 3) Kinda relates to a significant extent to 1) above. Rhetorically: How do you help the viewer discern quickly and clearly which tier is which league in a given year? Colors more muted than what are currently in the chart are a definite possibility on an update. The Western League colors could definitely stand to be toned down. Feel free to send suggestions in RGB values.


 * A chart like this may be a "work in progress" for a while. The biggest hurdle is just getting a chart uploaded to begin this conversation.


 * Cheers!  EclecticArkie   (talk) 22:26, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Honestly mate... your work is outstanding. I see loads of big football orientated youtubers use you graphs to show a clubs history etc... some of the best features on football pages because they embrace an illustrate an entire football clubs history (in league positions) in an accessible and viewable form, to be honest, you don't get enough credit for it.
 * Of course I understand that because there are so, so, so, many English football clubs, big ones at that, being able to "lay-off" on non league teams must be a bit of a relief.
 * You're probably thinking (maybe subconsciously) "Who even are Bath City?" "Why bother?" which are perfectly valid points to be honest.
 * However, there are 4 main reasons why I think you should, if possible, have a crack for the Bath City page:
 * 1) The article is currently in review for Wikipedia:Good article status, and hopefully it goes on to become a Wikipedia:Featured article -- that's the plan anyway.
 * 2) Clubs whom have always been on the brink, but haver never played in the Football League, I believe, deserve a graph. I get not making one for non league clubs that have spent the majority of their history in the 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th tiers. But, for example; Bath and Dartford have spent over 30 years in the 4th tier each, (before the creation of the Football League Fourth Division in 1958) and have spent most of their history in the top tier of non league. They are both historically, by far the biggest clubs in the National League South.
 * 3) There is growing interest generally in non-league football within England, especially since COVID
 * 4) Someone has already made one for the club (obviously you know that), But maybe you could use that somehow. I'm not sure if the article could gain Wikipedia:Good article status with the current graph, its just so convoluted, and fails some guidelines.
 * 5) I'm a fan and I'm biased towards them
 * If you ever get round to it.. making a Bath City F.C. list of seasons in your signature format, would be, absolutely amazing, I don't even think you'd realise quite how much I'd appreciate it... honestly...I think I might be as obsessed with the graphs as you are.
 * Even though it is unlikely you ever create one, if you ever did, (I actually pray) List of Bath City F.C. seasons is the place to go.. or the existing graph.
 * I tried to use your advice as well Eclectic but I'm honestly woeful at coding, I'm not even learning to walk yet in terms of code... if found the videos you sent helpful and I downloaded notepad ++, but I don't know how I can actually see what everything codes for...
 * Anyway. Have a great day, great week, and keep up your magnificent work man! :)   --Joseph1891 (talk) 00:21, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * No worries. Wikipedia is a collaborative effort and the previous version of the chart was an attempt to incorporate some things stylistically that were used on a chart for Barrow AFC in terms of colors, etc. The WikiProject Football group definitely seem to prefer the grayscale charts.


 * Thanks for the Barnstar!  EclecticArkie   (talk) 18:09, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

You did it!!!
Thank you so much, for providing Bath City F.C. with a Seasons chart, it looks amazing!!! Joseph1891 (talk) 17:47, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

One last request...
Hi again Eclectic, I'm deeply sorry to disturb you. I thank you immeasurably for your contribution to the Bath City F.C. page, your graph is amazing and more than anything I could've asked for. You've always been my favourite Wikipedia editor, just down to the sheer quality of you work, and how dedicated you are.

There are just a few small things on the graph that might need a bit of tweaking.

The section in-between WW1 and WW2 seems a tad messy, I realise the number of teams changed frequently back the - That being said, I think small anomalies are best left out, as it can make the graph look overly convoluted.

-- This will be my last ever request:

1908-1919

 * "Tier 3" consisted of 22 clubs


 * "Tier 4" consisted of 10 clubs


 * "Tier 5" consisted of 10 clubs


 * "Tier 6" consisted of 10 clubs

1919-1924

 * "Tier 4" consisted of 18 clubs


 * "Tier 5" consisted of 10 clubs


 * "Tier 6" consisted of 10 clubs

1924-1930

 * "Tier 4" consisted of 15 clubs


 * "Tier 5" consisted of 10 clubs


 * "Tier 6" consisted of 10 clubs

1930-1939

 * "Tier 4" consisted of 15 clubs
 * "Tier 5" consisted of 8 clubs
 * "Tier 6" consisted of 18 clubs

1946-1958

 * "Tier 4" consisted of 22 clubs


 * "Tier 5" consisted of 18 clubs


 * "Tier 6" consisted of 18 clubs

1958-1980

 * "Tier 5" consisted of 22 clubs


 * "Tier 6" consisted of 22 clubs

1980-2006

 * "Tier 5" consisted of 22 clubs


 * "Tier 6" consisted of 22 clubs

2006-present

 * "Tier 5" consisted of 24 clubs
 * "Tier 6" consisted of 22 clubs

I'm pretty sure you've got the earlier years spot on, (as usual) just 1909-1958 seems a bit odd.

Again, thank you so much man, don't think you realise how much I admire your work. Btw Tottenham are my Premier League team so hopefully they do well this season!

All the best to you, again I'm sorry for the hassle, you've been an absolute star, once these things are addressed I'll make no more requests. Joseph1891 (talk) 23:44, 18 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I'll do some double-checking. I went through the season pages on the wiki to get the number of teams in the various leagues at the different tiers over the years. Watch for a message from me to make sure we agree about which league was at which tier and the number of teams they contained. My inclination is to convert my spreadsheet into a table and post it here on this talk page.


 * Thanks for helping to make sure the chart is as accurate as possible.  EclecticArkie   (talk) 17:12, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if this help a bit?
 * I'll try and make a spreadsheet, tbh I've generalised a lot in the statement above, just thought it might be better if the graph was a bit neater
 * History of the English football pyramid. (For clubs based in South-West England) Extends from tiers 1-7
 * 1900-1921
 * Football League:
 * Tier 1: "Division 1"
 * Tier 2: "Division 2"
 * Non League:
 * Tier 3: "Southern League Division 1"
 * Tier 4: "Southern League Division 2"
 * Tier 5: "Western League Division 1"
 * Tier 6: "Western League Division 2"
 * 1921-1922
 * Football League:
 * Tier 1: "Division 1"
 * Tier 2: "Division 2"
 * Tier 3: "Division 3 (North and South)"
 * Non League:
 * Tier 4: "Southern league Division (England and Wales)"
 * Tier 5: "Western League Division 1"
 * Tier 6: "Western League Division 2"
 * 1922-1939
 * Football League:
 * Tier 1: "Division 1"
 * Tier 2: "Division 2"
 * Tier 3: "Division 3 (North and South)"
 * Non-League
 * Tier 4: "Southern League (West and East)"
 * Tier 5: "Western League Division 1"
 * Tier 6: "Western League Division 2"
 * 1946-1958
 * Football League:
 * Tier 1: "Division 1"
 * Tier 2: "Division 2"
 * Tier 3: "Division 3 (North and South)"
 * Non League:
 * Tier 4: "Southern League (West and East)"
 * Tier 5: "Western League Division 1"
 * Tier 6: "Western League Division 2"
 * 1958-1980
 * Football League
 * Tier 1: "Division 1"
 * Tier 2: "Division 2"
 * Tier 3: "Division 3"
 * Tier 4: "Division 4"
 * Non League:
 * Tier 5: "Southern League Division Premier"
 * Tier 6: "Southern League Division 1"
 * Tier 7: "Western League Division 1"
 * 1980-1986
 * Football League:
 * Tier 1: "Division 1"
 * Tier 2: "Division 2"
 * Tier 3: "Division 3"
 * Tier 4: "Division 4"
 * Non League:
 * Tier 5: "Alliance Premier League"
 * Tier 6: "Southern League"
 * Tier 7: Southern League Division 1"
 * 1986-2004
 * Football League:
 * Tier 1: "Division 1"
 * Tier 2: "Division 2"
 * Tier 3: "Division 3"
 * Tier 4: "Division 4"
 * Non League:
 * Tier 5: "Conference"
 * Tier 6: "Southern League"
 * Tier 7: "Southern League Division 1"
 * 1992-2015
 * Football League:
 * Tier 1: "Premier League"
 * Tier 2: "Championship"
 * Tier 3: "League One"
 * Tier 4: "League Two"
 * Non League:
 * Tier 5: "Conference"
 * Tier 6: "Southern League"
 * Tier 7: "Southern League Division 1"
 * 2004-2015
 * Football League:
 * Tier 1: "Premier League"
 * Tier 2: "Championship"
 * Tier 3: "League One"
 * Tier 4: "League Two"
 * Non League:
 * Tier 5: "Conference"
 * Tier 6: "Conference North and South"
 * Tier 7: "Southern League"
 * 2015-present
 * Football League:
 * Tier 1: "Premier League"
 * Tier 2: "Championship"
 * Tier 3: "League One"
 * Tier 4: "League Two"
 * Non League:
 * Tier 5: "National League"
 * Tier 6: "National League North and South"
 * Tier 7: "Southern League"
 * Not sure if that helps at all?
 * Anyway I'll go and make the spreadsheet.
 * Cheers Eclectic
 * Joseph1891 (talk) 18:29, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Number of non-League clubs in each league history PDF
 * Just gone threw all of the leagues (+ The Tiers below and above) that Bath played in since 1909.
 * -- Hopefully you can read it. By the way "Tier 7" had 22 clubs in it from 2004-2014, and 24 from 2013-14 onwards.
 * I think its better to discard; tiers 5, 6 and 7 before 1947, tiers 6 and 7 before 1960, and tier 7 before 2004.
 * So it would be great, and maybe a bit clearer if:
 * Tier 5 started from 1946-47 onwards
 * Tier 6 started from 1959-60 onwards
 * Tier 7 started from 2003-04 onwards (you've already done this)
 * Thanks again so much, hopefully that's helpful, let me know if it's not. So sorry for being a pain.
 * I would be amazing if you could do this.
 * keep up the amazing work man. Joseph1891 (talk) 22:37, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * 2015-present
 * Football League:
 * Tier 1: "Premier League"
 * Tier 2: "Championship"
 * Tier 3: "League One"
 * Tier 4: "League Two"
 * Non League:
 * Tier 5: "National League"
 * Tier 6: "National League North and South"
 * Tier 7: "Southern League"
 * Not sure if that helps at all?
 * Anyway I'll go and make the spreadsheet.
 * Cheers Eclectic
 * Joseph1891 (talk) 18:29, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Number of non-League clubs in each league history PDF
 * Just gone threw all of the leagues (+ The Tiers below and above) that Bath played in since 1909.
 * -- Hopefully you can read it. By the way "Tier 7" had 22 clubs in it from 2004-2014, and 24 from 2013-14 onwards.
 * I think its better to discard; tiers 5, 6 and 7 before 1947, tiers 6 and 7 before 1960, and tier 7 before 2004.
 * So it would be great, and maybe a bit clearer if:
 * Tier 5 started from 1946-47 onwards
 * Tier 6 started from 1959-60 onwards
 * Tier 7 started from 2003-04 onwards (you've already done this)
 * Thanks again so much, hopefully that's helpful, let me know if it's not. So sorry for being a pain.
 * I would be amazing if you could do this.
 * keep up the amazing work man. Joseph1891 (talk) 22:37, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * keep up the amazing work man. Joseph1891 (talk) 22:37, 19 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Here's that wikitable conversion of my clubs/tiers/years spreadsheet that was created by sifting through the years in English football wiki pages:


 * {| class="wikitable"

! Tier||Year|| 1909|| 1910|| 1911|| 1912|| 1913|| 1914|| 1915|| 1920|| || 1921|| 1922|| 1923|| 1924|| 1925|| 1926|| 1927|| 1928|| 1929|| 1930|| 1931|| 1932|| 1933|| 1934|| 1935|| 1936|| 1937|| 1938|| 1939|| 1947|| 1948|| 1949|| 1950|| 1951|| 1952|| 1953|| 1954|| 1955|| 1956|| 1957|| 1958|| || 1959|| 1960|| 1961|| 1962|| 1963|| 1964|| 1965|| 1966|| 1967|| 1968|| 1969|| 1970|| 1971|| 1972|| 1973|| 1974|| 1975|| 1976|| 1977|| 1978|| 1979|| || 1980|| 1981|| 1982|| || 1983|| 1984|| 1985|| 1986|| || 1987|| 1988|| 1989|| 1990|| 1991|| 1992|| || 1993|| 1994|| 1995|| 1996|| 1997|| 1998|| 1999|| 2000|| 2001|| 2002|| 2003|| 2004|| || 2005|| 2006|| || 2007|| 2008|| 2009|| 2010|| 2011|| 2012|| 2013|| 2014|| 2015|| || 2016|| 2017|| 2018|| 2019|| 2020|| 2021|| 2022
 * 1|| 1st Div|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 22|| 1st Div|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 1st Div|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 1st Div|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 1st Div|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 1st DIv || 22|| 21|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 22|| PL|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| PL || 20|| 20|| PL || 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| PL || 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20
 * 2|| 2nd Div|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 22|| 2nd Div|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 2nd Div|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 2nd Div|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 2nd Div|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 2nd Div || 22|| 23|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 1st Div|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| FLC || 24|| 24|| FLC || 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| EFL C || 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24
 * 3|| SL D1|| 21|| 22|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 22|| 3rd Div|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 3rd Div|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 3rd Div|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 3rd Div|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 3rd Div || 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 2nd Div|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| L1 || 24|| 24|| L1 || 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| EFL L1 || 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24
 * 4|| SL D2|| 7|| 12|| 12|| 14|| 13|| 16|| 13|| 11|| SL|| 13|| 19|| 20|| 18|| 20|| 14|| 14|| 16|| 14|| 15|| 12|| 13|| 11|| 11|| 9|| 9|| 16|| 18|| 23|| 17|| 18|| 22|| 24|| 24|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 4th Div|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 4th Div|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 4th Div|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 4th Div || 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 22|| 3rd Div|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| L2 || 24|| 24|| L2 || 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| EFL L2 || 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24
 * 5|| WL D1|| 14|| 13|| 10|| 11|| 12|| 12|| || 10|| WL D1|| 16|| 8|| 9|| 11|| 13|| 10|| 12|| 11|| 8|| 8|| 7|| 8|| 9|| 7|| 7|| 6|| 5|| 5|| 6|| 18|| 18|| 18|| 18|| 18|| 18|| 17|| 18|| 18|| 17|| 19|| 19|| SLP|| 18|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 21|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| APL|| 20|| 20|| 22|| APL|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| FC|| 22|| 22|| 21|| 22|| 22|| 22|| FC|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| FC|| 22|| 22|| FC|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 23|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| NL|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 24|| 22|| 23
 * 6|| WL D2|| 12|| || || || || || || 8|| WL D2|| 10|| 9|| || || || 13|| 10|| 8|| 9|| 10|| 17|| 18|| 18|| 18|| 18|| 18|| 18|| 18|| 18|| 13|| 18|| 18|| 18|| 20|| 19|| 18|| 18|| 18|| 20|| 18|| 18|| SLD1|| 17|| 22|| 21|| 20|| 20|| 22|| 22|| 24|| 24|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 20|| 16|| 22|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 18|| 20|| 21|| SLS|| 24|| 24|| 24|| SLP|| 20|| 20|| 20|| 20|| SLP|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| SLP|| 21|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| FCS|| 22|| 22|| FCS|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 21|| NLS|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 22|| 21|| 21
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 * }
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 * As time allows, I'll go through and compare the numbers.  EclecticArkie   (talk) 20:42, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks Eclectic, that's amazingly helpful.
 * One thing I think may make the graph look a bit cleaner, would be to discard; tiers 5, 6 and 7 before 1947, tiers 6 and 7 before 1960, and tier 7 before 2004. Or maybe just have it start from 1921, (When they joined the Southern League)
 * So it would be great, and maybe a bit clearer if:
 * Tier 5 started from 1946-47 onwards
 * Tier 6 started from 1959-60 onwards
 * Tier 7 started from 2003-04 onwards (you've already done this)
 * And maybe just have it start from 1921, (when they joined the Southern League)
 * Perhaps it would be a bit better to find an "average number" of teams that played in the league below/above Bath to make it look a bit cleaner.
 * -- E.g. instead of 7, 12, 12, 14, 13, 16, 13, 11 for SL 2 from 1909-1914, maybe it would be better just to find an average of 12? (I did the calculation) as Bath weren't actually playing in that league. Do you get the point? I probably sound confusing.
 * Thanks so much, again sorry for the hassle. Joseph1891 (talk) 21:43, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * This image is only temporary, I will request for it to be deleted after you have viewed it.
 * But this is the kind of the thing I was looking for, obviously the number of clubs in each league wasn't quite that consistent, but something as close to this as possible would be ideal.
 * Thanks so much for your help, really sorry for using your work, but I believe it was the best way to illustrate my point, I will remove the image as soon as you view it.
 * Bath_City_league_peformance.png
 * Thanks so much. Joseph1891 (talk) 00:08, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Maybe if possible swapping the black and white colours round like The Notts County graph? I think it would make it a bit easier to see, I'm so sorry for bothering you, once this is all done I won't anymore. Joseph1891 (talk) 00:23, 22 November 2022 (UTC)


 * My concern is our sharp-eyed fellow Wikipedians who really know their footie. For an example, check out my talk page on commons.wikimedia.org under the section entitled "English League football progression graphs". Then take a look at the Aston Villa chart upload on 14 June 2015 to see what the user was pointing out.


 * The big question is: what would be the feelings of the people who feel a sense of ownership regarding the Bath City wikipedia page? Since over 90% of the edits on the page seem to be yours, is that a group of one? Or might people from WikiProject Football start chiming in?


 * As always, just let me know what your thoughts are.  EclecticArkie   (talk) 01:14, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes I understand. To address your points: 1) I was not suggesting that you make the number of clubs that consistent, as it’s just not true. Though, I think maybe “finding an average” for some of the tiers may make the graph look cleaner, and more level.

2) I’ve received permission to edit the Bath City Page from people who work at the club, having emailed them directly. 3) It’s pretty much me who has done all of the work on the page for the last 2 months, people from WikiProject Football may start chiming in here and there but have done so very rarely as of yet.

The graph I edited was just the ‘ideal’, but I understand both realistically and based on historical accuracy, it cannot be exactly exactly the same.

So the only things that I feel need changing to the graph, if possible are:


 * 1) Not starting Tier 4 until after WW1
 * 2) Not starting tier 5 until Bath got demoted. (in 1958)
 * 3) Not starting tier 6 until they got relegated (in 1967)
 * 4) Not starting tier 7 until they got relegated. (in 2004)
 * 5) Finding more of an average, in doing so “levelling” the table, making it look cleaner.
 * 6) Change the colour of “Tier 1” to white
 * 7) Change the colour of the line itself to that more similar to Notts County’s (white in the middle) Bath have had kits in the past in which they wore a white shirt with extremely thin black stripes, so I think this makes more sense historically as well.

If that’s possible, that would be absolutely amazing. I understand your point about fellow Wikipedians who really know their footy, But I wasn’t expecting the graph to be as consistent as the one I created, as I’ve just edited it on paint3D and saved it as a PNG file. It was only really a “template” to help make the SVG file as much like that as possible. Otherwise, like you said some should look at it, and not see it as being realistic or “truthful enough”. Again, I’m sorry for the hassle. Thank you so much. Joseph1891 (talk) 09:23, 22 November 2022 (UTC)


 * The seasons chart for Bath has been modified. Check it out when time allows. Family commitments due to the Thanksgiving holiday here in the States had me distracted for several days.


 * After all of the work on the Bath chart, I decided to join the Bath City Supporters Society. Cheers!  EclecticArkie   (talk) 22:17, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You're legend! It looks perfect, hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving! Joseph1891 (talk) 12:18, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

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Celtic FC Logo
Hi,

I see that you were once one of the contributors to the Celtic FC page. who updated the logo for the club.

I'm getting in touch because I work at the club and we're looking to update the logo on Celtic F.C., as the current one on there is incorrect.

Is this something that you could help with if I sent you it over? (It's very similar to what is currently on there).

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 * I'd be glad to help. However, since you already have a wikipedia account, you could upload the new version yourself, assuming it's in .svg format.
 * Just go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Celtic_FC.svg, scroll 80-90% of the way down the page, and click on the "Upload a new version of this file" link.
 * Let me know if you have any other questions. @Jonnygeeeee  EclecticArkie   (talk) 02:47, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Great stuff, thanks! I really should have seen that myself. That's a huge help though, thanks. The marketing team will be delighted. Thank you. Jonnygeeeee (talk) 08:34, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Jonnygeeeee No worries. That link is kind of buried way down on that page. It doesn't jump out at you by any means.
 * Being contacted directly by a club is a first for me, especially one as big as Celtic. It's been a blast. Cheers.  EclecticArkie   (talk) 13:43, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries at all. Really appreciate the help! Jonnygeeeee (talk) 16:30, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

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