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The Missing Manual Economic Refugee (talk) 17:58, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

New Help me Request
I already seem to be in an editing war in Poaching. I did an edit a couple days ago that was totally reverted. I understand better how to redo the edits so it does not look like rewrite. It is clear that this article has had massive improvements made but the intro and upper section Acts Of Poaching is misleading and inaccurate.

Before I go back in I need some advice as to how to deal with the editor who has been working on it. There are at least a few things that are incorrect as written, others are very misleading. As a snap judgment, with no real information, I would categorize this as a conflict between an anti-poaching hunter and anti-hunting activist.

I am committed to the clarity and neutrality that an encyclopedia requires and need advice. I did not want to put this out there because I am new and wish to learn how to navigate these conflicts as smoothly as possible. Economic Refugee (talk) 14:56, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Reply to Help me request: The best thing to do is to discuss the changes you think are necessary on the article talk page. This will allow all interested editors to weigh in on the subject and allow a consensus to be reached. When you present your proposed changes, make sure they are well referenced. If there are not enough editors participating in the discussion you can use the page history to locate editors who have been interested in the article in the past and post messages to their talk page letting them know of the discussion. If you do this it would be best to invite people from both sides of the issue if possible to help achieve a neutral point of view for the article. Hope that helps. —    Bill W.     (Talk)  (Contrib)  — 15:50, 6 August 2013 (UTC) P.S. New talk page messages should go at the bottom of the page, so I cleaned this up for you a bit. Feel free to change anything back if you desire, it is your talk page.

Poaching : references
Hi. I appreciate your recent contribution to the list of species affected by poaching. You added "protected Herbs" and "Goldenseal" within the 2 sources referenced at the end of the paragraph. But in none of these sources herbs or goldenseal are mentioned as being illegally harvested in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. Please provide a correct reference. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 09:46, 7 August 2013 (UTC)


 * NOTE I am in a editing war with this animal rights activist over the definitions and catagorization of poaching. He is using the enrty as a platform for ant-hunting animal rights propaganda in the form of selective esoteric material in order to skew the definition an understand of poaching to include activities that have never been considered poaching except by activists.Economic Refugee (talk)

You replied:


 * Ths proper way to communicate an article is on the article talk page. I see you are only adding references that support you polical positon.
 * You have reverted my edit again without discussion. Golden seal is endagered and is illegally collected, just because it does not appear in your book does not negate the statement. Your reference still supports the statement especially the fact about ginseng.
 * Deleting non referenced material the way you did does not comply with wiki guidlines.
 * You started the editing war before I arrived I just didn't know. I was working on how to resolve the issue withour getting into a shouting match.
 * You have precluded that possibility with your latest arbirtary reversion.
 * If you continue to hold the article hostage it will call for help. Your comment on my page should have beenon the talk page for the article.
 * I asked for another reference for the politically created term frezze kill, provide another or I am taking it down. Your insistance on cann hunt is also only motivated by politics and will be removed. :Get it together and get some non-activist refernces because when I get back to this I will have properly neutral references be ready to deal with your activist editing.
 * The bullet point list about acts of poaching is intentially exagerated and is blantantly incorrct. I will be reediting it and a reversion will result in a request for arbitration.
 * The list of poaching acts is a wish list from a political movement is is factually innacurrate and absolutly unacceptable under NPOV. Economic Refugee (talk) 16:26, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

I have no doubt that protected herbs and golden seal are illegally collected. Please read my initial message again: the cited sources do not mention them. This is why I did NOT delete your additions but merely placed them after these cited sources with a "citation needed" template. See Citing sources if you want to learn how to cite properly.

Please also note that the references in the section "Acts of poaching" are all peer-reviewed articles published in scientific journals, i.e. they have all been reviewed by competent scientists before being published. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 17:12, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

I moved this to the Talk:Poaching page where it belongs.Economic Refugee (talk) 18:42, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

your recent message
On 11 August you posted this message on my talk page: "FYI, Your continued FYI shit on the poaching talk list is insulting.apparently. Apparentl you do not have the integrity to anwer my question just tthrow out nonconected bs. Your continued editing of poaching to imbue it with the chaacteristics that you want to further the political agenda of what ever animal rights movement you belong to contitutes fraud. The definition you are insisting onis NOT IN USE by anyone but your group of outlaw radicals.Economic Refugee (talk) 13:44, 11 August 2013 (UTC)"

In all those years that I contributed to some 400+ wikipedia articles incl. respective talk pages, I haven't come across anybody who used as many ill-mannered words in such a short period of time as in your recent comments dated 11 August -- see above and. Using words for bathroom and meadow deposits as arguments to support a point is not my style; nor do I think that blustering untenable assertions regarding my or anybody else's motivation improves your "line of arguments". This combined is not a base for any discussion or cooperation. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 12:00, 13 August 2013 (UTC)


 * None of my comments are meant to lessen your contributions. I have no tolerance for passive agressive manipulation or of the condescending tone of your reponses to me. From my first attemtp to contribute to poaching I have been rejected ignored and talked down to by you. I made seveal attempts to create a way to reach for consensus on the talk page. You failed to respond and continued to edit the lead as if you were the only one there. Using controlling euphamistic language to decribe my direct communications is another of your "superiority plays. I call BS when I see it just because you are more comfortable working in an environment where that sort of manipulation is normal does not make it right.


 * Are your other contributuons are as skewed as your attempt to redifine poaching for the entire world? If your other contirbutions were done with more integrity and clarity the the lead on poaching then I suspect you have done us a great favor.
 * That does not forgive the attempt to skew the definition of poaching or the way you ingnored and dismissed my contributions.
 * Try treating me with the respect you seem to be demanding.Economic Refugee (talk)

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