User talk:Ecpclio

John Hanson, Jr.
That's not the same person as the notable John Hanson. It is possible that it was his son - that connection was made in an earlier revision of the page found here. Tedickey (talk) 00:12, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I am afraid you are wrong. You need to check the sources I cited. The surveyor is the one and the same person. When I cite an authoritative source, it would be in your best interest to check it out, if you disagree with me.

Ed Papenfuse.

You can write me directly at edp@mdsa.net or edpapenfuse@gmail.com.


 * hmm - since you haven't cited a reliable source for the association, it doesn't appear to matter what I respond. Tedickey (talk) 17:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Provide your source. I'm interested.  Do you know anything about surveying?  Tedickey (talk) 17:58, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Somehow my comments must have been uploaded at the same time as your more recent one and mine was lost in the shuffle.

I am commissioner of land patents for Maryland and know a great deal about surveying, but am not a surveyor. The Maryland State Archives web site is an authoritative site and what we have on line on Hanson is well documented.


 * Here's one obvious issue: your comment states that in 1774, John Hanson Jr. made a survey, of what appears to be unimproved land. Most of the articles mentioning surveyors (especially individuals) in that era are talking about people no older than the mid/late-20's (unless they have assistants).  That's because there's a lot of physical work to be done - and older people tend to have better things to do. The notable John Hanson is 59 at that time, already a landowner.  Tedickey (talk) 18:11, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * As I noted the link given wasn't accessible - it required a password. Tedickey (talk) 18:11, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Clearly you did not consult the printed source I added, nor did you consult the Archives web site. It so happens that the post of deputy surveyor was a lucrative one as far as John Hanson was concerned. If you were to consult the Dictionary I cited you would have seen that he was deputy surveyor in 1769, 1771, 1773, and 1777 when he resigned. We have his original certificate of survey and his signature is that of 'President' Hanson.


 * Your reference is unverifiable. Tedickey (talk) 21:06, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Link to Maryland State Archives
Dr. Papenfuse, the link to the Maryland State Archives web site that you provided in the John Hanson article requires registration, but the Wikipedia guideline on external links discourages links to sites that require registration. Cheers! —Kevin Myers 05:19, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Kevin:

Only portions of the site require a user name and password and these related to copyrighted or legally restricted records. The website itself does not require registration and is designed to provide maximum free public access to our finding aids. For biographical information contained in bios we freely provide user name and password on condition that the use of copyrighted materials contained in the biography are only for personal educational use. In this case, if, my critic is unwilling to follow the instructions for access, he should have consulted the secondary source cited which is the biographical dictionary that I helped write.

Ed Papenfuse

Your recent advert.
Accusing another editor of vandalism when unjustified is not civil. It's nice to see that you improved it. Perhaps you would like to make neutral improvements to the topic. Tedickey (talk) 08:09, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Civility includes not being pompously officious in your editorial comments which often makes it very clear you do not read the verifiable sources to which you are directed. Every writer needs a good editor. When writers make egregious mistakes coupled with misspellings and bad grammar, they should be corrected. I am no exception and appreciate having them pointed out. I do not appreciate unwarranted attacks on my scholarship unaccompanied by any indication that the critic actually knows what he or she is asserting. The John Hanson article is a good example. The problem on my part is that I do not have the time you seem to have to quibble about word usage when you have already been given a reasonable explanation of its use.


 * Another warning about civility Tedickey (talk) 12:29, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

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