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Salmon Arm category and subcats
The subcats are going to wind up deleted......cats should only be created if there's a number of articles for each e.g. 5 at least, more like 10. Landforms and populated places in should be subcats of Category:Shuswap Country, and there will be sufficient entries to justify those. I don't know whether these are eligible for a speedy deletion but they were ill-advised and like some of the Okanagan cats recently created, overkill and outside Wiki guidelines.......making work for other people is all the creation of these cats do.Skookum1 (talk) 02:27, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * There are obviously enough articles available for one category, but I would not mind merging them into the main category if necessary. However, they would not be eligible for speedy deletion, which requires they be completed empty. It is also suggested that a few days should be provided for the creator to add Wikipedia entries. Actually, I've seen numerous categories for discussion debates where some of which are kept because they have borderline amount of articles that are required (where is usually around five or something, which you did state). Thanks for pointing that out. TB randley  (T • C  • B) 03:01, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

"Edit warning"
Hi TBrandley, you undid my edit, but my edit was based on WP:RS. You didn't specify any solid reason except "edit warning". Is it a reason? Can't you seen Kww started edit-waring. Yes, I've used talk-page. There I've clarified myself according to wiki policies. But only one editor is stick to his statement bypassing the policies. Are you working as a proxy to Kww?-- Ascetic Rosé   05:12, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * No, he did not. I saw his revert after he did it, but he did not discuss it with me beforehand. You are edit warring, AsceticRose. Your claim that WP:OR applies has been refuted by multiple editors and your claim that WP:RS applies has been refuted by multiple editors. There is no consensus favoring your change, and it has been reverted multiple times by multiple editors. I am not bypassing policies, and you need to stop attempting to force your change in.&mdash;Kww(talk) 05:34, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not aware of the broad situation, but I did know that you were edit warning and thus I reverted it. See the bold, revert, discuss essay and please obtain a consensus on the article's talk page before enforcing the contribution again. Cheers. TB randley  (T • C  • B) 05:49, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Kww, you have given two false information here. You info about WP:OR & WP:RS refutation by multiple editors are clearly false on this discussion. It is only you who deny this. Editors like Tarc, Faizan, Mar4d have clearly backed by point. Please prove if I’m wrong. On the other hand, no editor has overtly supported your point.-- Ascetic Rosé   15:48, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Singularity42, FormerIP, and Astrolynx clearly line up on my side. Most editors agree that the source is quite reliable for the Ahmadiyya's beliefs and does not present an OR problem. Even Tarc42 disagrees with your OR logic, he simply thinks that it may be correct to discount views widely thought of as heretical, making this solely a DUE weight issue. Aside from Tarc, the other editors in favor of the change can all be reasonably believed to be biased. I don't think Tbrandley's talk page is the right place for this. If you want to talk more, come to my talk page.&mdash;Kww(talk) 16:35, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Steamboats of Lake Okanagan
I accidentally move this article to Steamboats of Okanagan, but it now will not let me revert my move. Thus, I required help from an administrator to move it back to Steamboats of Lake Okanagan. Thanks. TB randley (T • C  • B) 18:22, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅  Ron h jones  (Talk) 18:58, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you! TB randley  (T • C  • B) 19:07, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Seymour Arm, British Columbia move.....uh, NO
Think before you strip off comma-province dabs on places you don't know much about. Why? Because there's Seymour Arm, the arm of Salmon Arm, and there's also another one on the BC Coast, somewhere around Belize Inlet as I recall. Seymour Arm should be a dab page, and that tiny, obscure settlement is not the primary usage (the one on the coast is best known, actually, because of the recreational marine and fishing activity in the area).Skookum1 (talk) 18:09, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Celista was another bad move, that place, if you stopped to read the article (?) was named for a Chief Celista of the Neskonlith Band, the version of the name given there is Seletsa. It remains to be seen what a comparison of cites on him (he's a notable figure in regional history) have to say about what the priority version of his name is, but this is another case where you've made yourself busy making changes to an article without investigating other possibilies about, gee what else might that refer to?  Bad call.Skookum1 (talk) 18:12, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

why did you do this?
I'm trying to sort out this which shouldn't be a redirect to Talk:Steamboats of Okanagan, it should be the talkpage for Steamboats of Lake Okanagan...when you move, or try to move (since your move was rightly reverted) an article page, you're supposed to move the talkpage to. And why do you have a problem using "the" before Okanagan? See my talkpage comments as to why I titled this "Lake Okanagan" in the first place, also.Skookum1 (talk) 04:04, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

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Okanagan Country subcats
TBrandley, just watching your placement of your new Category:Populated places in the Okanagan Country.....you are aware, I hope, that there are already populated places categories on many of those articles, that that would be a parent for, or grandparent, e.g. Category:Populated places in the South Okanagan and others, including Category:Populated places in the Okanagan [post-edit - I thought that existed, the South Okanagan cat maybe I guess is only a subcat of Category:Okanagan - and Category:Populated places in Okanogan County, Washington, I think. Also though you've shown that "Okanogan Country" is used in the United States in the same way that "Okanagan country" is used in Canada......you're over-categorizing, and placing your new category where its subcats already are, and the use of "Okanagan Country" in that manner is more than a bit WP:OR and imposes the Canadian spelling of the name on US locations. Please improve articles, not just play category names unless the categories are appropriate. In my opinion, this one is completely superfluous.Skookum1 (talk) 03:54, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You've also created that category without a parent category; please do NOT create Category:Okanagan Country, which is redlinked there, without further discussion, including the issue of the cross-border spelling variation. IMO you "populated places" cat is inappropriately named because of the cross-border spelling difference.  Maybe Category:Populated places in the Okanagan for Canadian items and Category:Populated places in the American Okanogan, though Category:Populated places in Okanogan County, Washington already exists; your interpretation of including Chelan and, I think, Methow Counties is "somewhat" OR.  I think there may also be a Colville Reservation populated places cat, I'm not sure.  Chelan is a North Cascades category primarily IMO.Skookum1 (talk) 05:52, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

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North Korea
I agree that North Korea is a crazily repressive country with a maniac family (but I can't call them communist; they have a cast system and a monarchy, what does that have to do with communism?, but that's not the point)... My point is this, the word totalitarian is vague and doesn't have a single (or for that matter two or three) definition and only carries with it a highly negative connotation, while dictatorship is also a negative loaded word, albeit true... The point is, I've never seen any other article here on Wikipedia on a dictatorship which describes the country as either authoritarian, totalitarian or something else. These words a highly loaded with negativity, and the description Juche single-party state should be enough, since it describes the situation exactly how it is. Of course, Juche quasi-monarchial single-party state would also work.... Back to the word, this discussion has been at the East Germany page, the Soviet Union, the Ba'athist Iraq page, and they have all ended up with not using the words dictatorship and totalitarian in the infobox.. North Korea should be no difference... I have problems with the words being featured in the infobox, that's all. --TIAYN (talk) 08:07, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
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 * Secondly, everyone knows that North Korea is repressive (with the exception of 1 percent of the world population who thinks its fighting world imperialism... What??? ) .... I've started a discussion on the North Korea talk page, maybe more people will join . :) --TIAYN (talk) 08:33, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Ian Scott Rudolph


The article Ian Scott Rudolph has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Not a notable actor. His most notable role is not even a speaking one.

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. JDDJS (talk) 02:23, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

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