User talk:Ed/Archive Nov 2006

Cute 1 4 u, Part Two
Hey, Ed... just wondering, do you thing C14u is gonna get unblocked now? She's put another personal attack on her page, and I don't know if she's gonna stop. I'm just wondering what your opinion is on the matter at the moment. Thanks — The  RSJ   21:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Trial
Actually, already started. User:Editor at Large/Courtroom Figured we can use this for future trials. Go ahead and add names. — E ditor at  L arge ( speak ) 19:31, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yep, but I didn't figure people would know that. I have faith in humanity, guess I'll change it :) — E ditor at  L arge ( speak ) 19:43, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, having sig problems... — E ditor at  L arge ( speak ) 19:43, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope, I've been playing around with it trying to make it shorter. I added div tags and now it screws up the formatting... *sigh* — E ditor at  L arge ( speak ) 19:46, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say my page. We can use it for every trial we have, and it'll keep the number of WikiPlomacy sub-pages to a minimum. They're getting extensive already. — E ditor at  L arge ( speak ) 19:51, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I say we use Ed's page, it's already there. We can use E@L in the future, but hell we've already got the subpage, let's use it. Dooms Day34  9  19:52, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Would you please take the role of prosecution attorney, so we can move this along?  Dooms  Day34  9  20:43, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, E@L has. Would you mind filling in the positions at the bottom?   Dooms  Day34  9  20:44, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The bailiff and clerk are important positions.

Ed, we don't need jurors at first. The first stage of the trial determines what kind of court the case will be tried in, before the case actually begins. I'll guide you guys through it, don't worry. — E ditor at  L arge ( speak ) 20:48, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I just want this done already...Only us and Aletiophile are un, so Ed, fill in the baliff and clerk, we really don't need stenographer, and I'll try to get Aletio to be a juror and messege bilbio to one as well...considering our limited resources, two jurors is fine. Dooms  Day34  9  21:02, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Check out User:Editor at Large/Courtroom/Court procedures — E ditor at L arge ( speak ) 23:48, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, then, when is the date for the trial? His Dark Eminence grows impatient... Dooms  Day34  9  03:53, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, you need to check out the case, you have two duties (one as bailiff and one as clerk} — E ditor at L arge ( speak ) 03:54, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

RE:WikiPlomacy
Thursday works for me. See ya then. Dooms Day34  9  23:22, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

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Re: AC Meeting
Hey Ed, I'm sorry that you're feeling lost, hopefully I can clear things up! Yes, the AC meeting is most certainly over, it was on Saturday, and lasted about an hour and half - that would be scary if it was still going on now! As for what you wanted to be discussed, there's actually a part of the talk page specifically about: Wikipedia_talk:Esperanza. I hope you'll add your thoughts to the discussion. And we have one new program, the Tutorial Drive. Check it out! And let me know if you have any questions; hopefully I've helped to clarify a bit. -- Nataly a 02:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

User:E
Can I remember the circumstances surrounding placing a template over a year ago? No. But saying the user has no contributions is a little simplistic, since deleted items don't show up in the users edit history, so we have many account blocked for their "bad" contributions who apparently have made no contributions. In this case the user doesn't appear to be blocked, so my best gusss is that it was place in error. Even if they were I guess that it probably serves little purpose by this stage, so I've deleted the page. --pgk 07:16, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Coffee lounge picture
As you can see at the talk page, it's just a dramatic climax with wikipedians with copyright paranoia. I guess I am just getting fed up with it, so I figured it would be easier to just get rid of it. Feel free to take the speedy tag off and add a good, appropriate copyright tag if you can find one. --  ßott e  siηi  (talk) 01:30, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Just added the Esperanza logo and changed the title of the diner to "Esperanza." It's the famous painting Nighthawks. Oh, and I used Adobe Photoshop. --  ßott e  siηi  (talk) 01:34, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --  ßott e  siηi  (talk) 02:42, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza
Please stop being an idiot. Just because Dan and I didn't notice the anon edit doesn't mean that we agreed with it. With so many pages on our watchlists, it's hard to keep an eye on every one. Ral315 (talk) 16:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * For the last time, that's not a personal attack, and if it was, someone else should post that, not you. You were acting like an idiot.  I did not call you an idiot.  Ral315 (talk) 03:46, 24 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, let me rephrase that. You were acting like an asshole.  You're deliberately trying to provoke me.  Again, just because Dan and I don't notice every edit on our watchlist doesn't mean we agree with them all.  And for the last time, the personal attack templates are tiring.  If I really have attacked you in any way, an uninvolved/uninterested administrator or other party will warn me.  Every time you've said that I've made a personal attack, you've been the only one (and on at least one occasion I've received notes on my talk page saying that you were wrong to have done so).  Ral315 (talk) 01:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * That's actually worse than an internal link, and I'm opposed in general of any reference to Esperanza in mainspace. The only Wikipedia things we should mention in the mainspace, in any form, are essential processes, through the selfref template.  Ral315 (talk) 23:14, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Re:birthday
Thanks Ed! And Her Honour thanks you as well :) Here's some cake to keep you nibbling until the trial starts! — E ditor at L arge <font color=darkgoldenrod face=papyrus>( speak ) 23:00, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Minor favor needed.
Hey Ed, I was wondering if you can help me out with this article I started. I need somebody to vote for my US Australia relations article here (bottom of the page) so that it may be expanded by native Australians.

Thanks man! Sharkface217 04:43, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

can u just tell me how 2 get a certain font for me signature? do i just put my siggy in pereferences and in thingys do i put the font? answer on here--User:Jesusfreek2 06:40, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

re: RuneScape FU rationales
Hi Ed,

I was very impressed that you were able to get the hang to FU rationales so well. It certainly took me a bit longer to learn!

You had a great start, and I just made a few changes to the rationale:


 * I removed the second-to-last rationale and merged it with the last one, as an image simply being used in an article does not qualify it for FU. It is an image that is being used to illustrate an important point in the article that qualifies it for FU.  For clarification, the user that has this image on their user page(s) is actually not allowed to, because that is what we call a "decorative" image, a.k.a. an image that is only used to make the article look "prettier" (in theory).
 * I polished the rationale about restricting Jagex's use of the image. It's not so much about whether Jagex can't market the game because of this image.  In fact, on this site, it would probably count as building awareness of the game.  This rationale is there to state that, simply, you are not using so many images that people say, "Why should I pay money to watch/play this movie/game when I can simply see it on Wikipedia, for free?"  Some articles have gone overboard and used so many images, that companies might lose sales from people looking at Wikipedia instead.  But the RuneScape article is fine in that respect.
 * It's not about whether Jagex has released any free equivalants, it's whether anyone has released a free equivalant. With computer games, this is usually a moot point as companies rarely release games or screenshots to the public domain.  This rationale simply has to be in there as a matter of consistency.  For example, having a copyrighted image of snow in the Snow article would make no sense, as anyone with a camera could easily take a picture of snow and upload it with a "free" license GNU/CC/PD or such.
 * As this was released as part of a "fansite kit", as the page states, this should quality as a publicity image, so I added a publicity licensing tag in a later revision of the article.

I've rambled on here long enough, and I think you definately get the just of it. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask me. Thanks, Green451 18:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

P.S. The image of the person mining coal needs source information (where the image came from, who took it, how they captured it, etc.), in addition to a FU rationale. Green451 18:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

RE:Organizing WikiPlomacy
Hello. Yeah, we do need to organize it...I think what's best is creating a WikiPlomacy/Nations page for the nation, as nations take up most of the space. After that, we should be good. I can't do anything tonight and it'd be lucky if I was on at all in the next week...maybe a little bit.  Dooms Day  349    ''' Happy Halloween! ''' 21:28, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

RuneScape revert
Regarding this revert - it wasn't false information, those transport methods were introduced in relatively recent updates. Do I remember you saying you haven't been on RS in a while? But they were excessive details (read 'fancruft'), so it doesn't matter anyway. CaptainVindaloo t c e 21:54, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

thanks
ok will do. thanks for your help, and yes, the errors are hilarious.  Mr _ webby Please send me a message 01:32, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

thanks
thanks for the comment. i had already done a few small edits, but they weren't really that great. thanks for your support.  Mr _ webby Please send me a message 01:36, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks!
Thanks for the Barnstar! Being rather inactive in my edits, I never thought I'd ever receive one of these. You made my day, that's for sure. Sorry it took so long to get back to you. I've been keeping tabs on your progress on the FU rationales, and you're doing great. I would give you something in return, but I wouldn't have the foggiest idea how...thank you again! Green451 16:17, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Cute 1 4 u
Hello Ed! I was wondering why cute 1 4 u's discussion page was protected again. Do you know anyting about it? Tennislover 23:40, 8 November 2006 (UTC) So by this page being protected, there is no chance of cute 1 4 u becoming unblocked, right?Tennislover 03:56, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

yeah, maybe we should. Do you want to ask him/her? Or should I? Or both.Tennislover 04:01, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikiplomacy
Hey Ed, regarding your talkpage, as Wikiplomacy is gone, would you be ok with me deleting your user subpage on the topic? I understand all this stuff is moving to another wiki or something, with existing pages being MfD'd - it's simpler to avoid the paperwork involved in that if you're ok with it. --Improv 07:00, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Moving of the Esperanza and Encyclopedia discussion
Hey Ed,

Just wanted to ask about why you moved the discussion about Esperanza and the encyclopedia from Wikipedia talk:Esperanza to Esperanza/Encyclopedia? The idea of keeping it on the main talk page was to get a lot of people involved in the discussion, since it regards all of Esperanza. Thanks, -- Nataly a 03:30, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm really sorry to see you go, Ed. Your conviction for what you believe in has always been a nice change to see around Wikipedia, and we will surely miss you for it.  I hope you have a nice wikibreak, however long it may be, and if/when you come back, you feel better about contributing to Wikipedia.  Good luck!


 * Also, let me know about the above question. I'd like to move it back, but wanted to make sure there was no big reason that I was missing before I do so.  -- Nataly a  21:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Your WikiBreak
It's regrettable to see you leave. Too often do I see similar messages on people's pages when the leave Wikipedia. I understand your concerns, and sympathize, however, I cannot agree with you. I know that sometimes the average user feels that administrators are corrupted, but we can only deal with it and continue on. Remember, the only way to lose is to stay down when you're knocked down. I hope I see you soon.  Dooms Day34  9  18:19, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I've reread your statement. You have made good points, points brought up numerous times.  Regretfully, your feeling are the feelings of many disgruntled users.  I know; Wikipedia is flawed.  But we must vest power in someone and hope they stay on the path and do not corrupt.  Otherwise, we will fail.  Better flawed than failed, I believe.  What can I say to you about the issue of consensus?  Nothing.  I cannot produce a better explanation than that is simply the way of the world, and being children of this earth we can do nothing but adapt and roll with the punches.  Cynical, perhaps, but it is the grim truth.  You know that we will disagree; I a conservative, you a liberal.  Such is the way of things.  Alas, that is all I can tell you; such is the way of things.  I will not tell you there is nothing you can do; perhaps there is.  But, as Christ once said, you cannot remove the splinter in your neighbor's eye without first removing the beam in your own.  I don't know how much effect the word of Christ will have on you; maybe you're not Christian.  But it's damn good advice nonetheless.  Look closely inside yourself, friend.  Find your beam, and remove it.  The journey may take years of work, but when it is gone, your burden will be lighter and you will find yourself able to pull the splinters from all that you meet.  That is the best I can do.  May you walk in peace, and find your way.   Dooms  Day34  9  18:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I've also read it, and agree with you. There are some things I'm planning to do a way off in the future that I can't mention here (another flaw), but they will happen. &mdash; <font style="background:#808;color:#fff;"> $PЯINGrαgђ Always loyal! 00:31, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Ed. I read your essay with interest, agreeing with some points, not agreeing with others, but I see where you're coming from the whole way through. reminds me of this:
 * "If mankind minus one were of one opinion, then mankind is no more justified in silencing the one than the one - if he had the power - would be justified in silencing mankind." - John Stuart Mill
 * Unfortuatly, such is life, or so I believe. Nothing's perfect. Anyway, I do hope you return soon, as you're a highly valued contributor here. Until you come back, best of luck mate :) Th ε Halo Θ 00:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Ed, I really agree with you on the essay. You brought up a really good point in our Wikipedia society. I hope you come back soon. You are one of the best editors I've met so far.Tennislover 02:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Ed, I just barely logged on saw Tenislover tell me on my talk page that you caused a lot of controversy. I checked your essay out, and I'm glad that someone finally pointed this out! Until now, people have put up with it. But hey, there's always a downside to an upside. I'm glad that you took the time to write this, and even though this will spark a lot of controversy (if it hasn't yet), this will be the first step to getting this flaw fixed. What I'm not so happy is about the possibility of taking such a long WikiBreak! You are one of the best Wikipedians here, and you're willing to help the new users (remember when you helped me with the Status thing?). Yes, you do deserve a WikiBreak (who doesn't), but just don't take a year or decade from now to finish that WikiBreak. Wikipedia needs people like you, and without you, we would lose a great contributor. Please don't leave, Ed, and think about what Doomsday said - <font color="Red">The  <font color="Blue">RSJ  [[Image:Flag of the United States.svg|25px]] 02:26, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Ed, I totally agree with you on the statement you made. But please come back, the community needs you. I hope you come back soon. Thanks for pointing this out. We'll try to change the flaw.Tennislover 15:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Alerts
Re: your message, you couldn't be more right. Change that ? to an ! — <font color=#336600 face=papyrus>E <font color=darkred face=papyrus>ditor at L arge <font color=darkgoldenrod face=papyrus>( speak ) 02:41, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Australian collaboration of the fortnight
Hi. You voted for United States-Australia relations for WP:ACOTF. It has been selected, so please help to improve the article in any way you can. I'm sorry to read your statement about taking a long break. Perhaps joining in this collaboration can be a positive experience for you - I presume I'm not one of the admins who have caused you problems? --Scott Davis Talk 13:17, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Just as anyone can vote for WP:ACOTF, anyone can contribute. In fact given that the topic is United States-Australia relations, I specifically invited not just those people who voted, but also put a notice on Wikipedia talk:U.S. Wikipedians' notice board and added it to the "U.S. topics on other COTWs" section of WP:USCOTW. I think that to get the article to be unbiased, we need the American view of the relationship as well as the Australian one.


 * I'm glad my few kind words helped. I posted about ten of these reminders, and about half got a few extra words based on the notices at the top of their user or talk pages. The world is a better place if people talk to you rather than at you! Even though I'd heard the kindness story before, it doesn't hurt to be reminded that sometimes a little thing for one person can be a big thing for the recipient. Thankyou for the cabbage - now I need to find a recipe for sauerkraut. --Scott Davis Talk 05:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Your status?
Hey, your status thing says you're "AROUND." If you really are, then sorry, but I thought you were taking a WikiBreak. So if you get on next time, change it to out (if I'm mistaken, and you really are "around," then sorry). Thanks - <font color="DarkBlue">The RSJ  <font color="SteelBlue">¿Qué? 23:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)\


 * Oh, and I read your essay on kindness. It was really powerful (it almost brought a tear to my eye, ha ha) and actually reading that essay changed my life... This is another reason not to jump the WikiShip! Sure, sometimes the WikiShip is in rough waters, but we all make it through. Oh, and here's a gift... See ya around (hopefully) - <font color="DarkBlue">The RSJ  <font color="SteelBlue">¿Qué? 23:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

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has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

RE:Award
Thanks. I'm not a theologian, I'm just a well-spoken Catholic who can write a good speech when he needs to. I hope my words helped out. Thanks again!  Dooms Day34  9  01:43, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Email
Hey! I just sent you an email. Check it out.

PS. The above smile template seems to have messed up your page's  style. You might want to fix it up. Cheers! -- May the Force be with you! Shr e shth91 04:46, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

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Yay, Apples!
Hi Ed, thanks for the apples! How did you know I liked them? Anyway, gald to see you're back and spreading so much good cheer :) Th ε Halo Θ 17:12, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Using some templates
Hey Ed. I'm going to use some of your templates, I really like them. If you're not okay with this, please tell me. Also, how did you get to 9th grade when you're only 13? Oh. Never mind. I saw on your page you skipped first grade. I'm 12 and in 7th. T e ckWizTalk Contribs# of Edits 18:11, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for telling me. I have no problem.--<font color="green" face="comic sans ms">E <font color="blue" face="comic sans ms">d  <font color="maroon" face="comic sans ms">¿Cómo estás? 02:12, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hey, Ed, thanks for coming back, the WikiShip is looking brighter already! Also, nice award you have created, thanks for giving me one! Thanks for coming back so fast - <font color="DarkBlue">The RSJ  <font color="SteelBlue">¿Qué? 22:19, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

c14u
You said: "What happened? And I also noticed that her talk page was protected. Is there a chance we could unprotect it so we can discuss her unblocking?"


 * She was caught editing the Wikipedia from yet another anonymous IP address. The problem is that she is not on a static IP so it is easy for her to continue to violate Wikipedia's block.  I am not the person who protected her talk page, that was Yanksox, but there's really no point unprotecting it.  There's simply no chance of her being unblocked at the moment, and not for at least another year, not given her continued abuse (despite the block) of Wikipedia policies.  And given her history of continuing to abuse Wikipedia while blocked, I think it is unlikely she will ever merit an unblock.  This is on the basis that I can't imagine her leaving the Wikipedia alone (and thereby not violating her block) for a full year.  That said, perhaps with another year or five of maturity, she'll smarten up, be willing to abide by Wikipedia policies, and be willing to contribute productively. --Yamla 03:17, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

status
hey how did u git that around status thingy

hey
hey, sorry about that whole picture business. I'm just learning about this website. you do what you feel is best. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr webby (talk • contribs)

hey
as a matter of fact, it was sort of half and half. i took pictures of actual error boxes, then i just altered the wording on them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr webby (talk • contribs)

ok
you're not the stupid one for seeing it wrong, i'm the stupid one for getting the tag wrong. i should read more closely.

p.s. have a look at my edits on these pages: Gregory and Jimmy. I have added a name to each list; they are both Smackdown wrestlers —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr webby (talk • contribs)

thank you
<div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; border: 1px solid #800080; background: #EEE0E5; -moz-border-radius: 8px; padding: 8px;"> <font color="#800080">Thank you for your support... Thank you ever so much, Ed, for your kind words and understanding in my time of need. I deeply appreciate your support, and I hope to be there for you, should you ever need help.

— Kyok <font color="green" face="zapfino">o

Pumpkin Pie
Check the user page of Pumpkin Pie. The way she talks is sort of the way Cute 1 4 u talks. Just saying, I don't know for sure.Tennislover 01:47, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Cute 1 4 u probably has no chance of being unbanned now. I'm so suprised how long she kept that Pumpkin Pie account without anyone figuring it out. It was so obvious.Tennislover 03:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Japanese Wikipedia user Shortie
Hi Ed, The user page you asked for information on at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan says something like "Hey. Call me 'Shortie.' I use a Japanese translator. I actually speak English." Hope that helps. Fg2 02:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Better yet, see this diff: . Jpatokal 03:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm. I see it's been taken care of (the Japanese on the userpage was somewhat off because of the translator use, too). Anyway, there were no damaging edits by that user on the JA Wiki. Dekimasu 05:56, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Possible sock of c14u
You said: "After comments left on my talk page from Tennislover, I checked out User:Pumpkin Pie. It does seem like there's a similarity to c14u's original writing style. The user has transcluded a status template much like mine.... I'm also going to have someone from a Japanese Wikiproject check out here Japanese userpage."
 * Yeap, this was a confirmed sockpuppet of the banned user. The account has been shut down and the contributions (mostly) deleted.  I took a look at the Japanese user page but unfortunately, I cannot read Japanese.  --Yamla 03:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * You said: "I don't mean to be against the user's block or anything, but what exactly was the evidence against PPie?"


 * In order not to give anything away, I'd rather discuss this via email. Please send me an email and I'll let you know.  Not until tomorrow, though, as I'm signing off for the evening now.  :)  --Yamla 04:14, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Let's vote for Mariano Trias
Hey there Ed! I would like to ask for your vote for the article of Mariano Trias in Wikipedia's Article Creation and Improvement Drive.

I believe that this article still needs a bit of clean-up and expansion. I hope you would vote for the article in this link.

Thanks a lot!!! Kevin Ray 10:31, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

My essay
By all means... I am flattered you think so highly of it. --Jayron 32 04:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the barnstar. If you like the essay, please let others know about it. I would like to see more eyes on it to see it improve. --Jayron 32 04:54, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Overhaul of userpages, userboxes and user signatures
Hi there.

As you requested at the nomination for the deletion of the Esperanza User Page Award page, I have started a discussion on userpages, userboxes and user signatures at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Overhaul of Userpages, userboxes and user signatures. --tgheretford (talk) 12:11, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

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Editor's Forum
I think that it is a really good idea, and I hope the program is approved. Hope you don't mind, but I borrowed the code that you used in your Forum draft to create a draft of my proposed Esperanza FAQ program. I just changed the necessary parts of text and headers etc. If you have any feedback that would be apprieciated. Thanks! Jam 01 08:48, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

a "very well-written" paragraph?
Just out of immodest curiosity (D ), what exactly was it? I've written alot here, so I'm interested in seeing what people see as being "well written" prose. Thanx either way. 68.39.174.238 03:34, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I've made a few edits there and seen you around there, so that's likely. I was half hoping it was on one of my good articel wannabes ;D. 68.39.174.238 03:43, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Jellybeans

 * Thank you fro the award and the Chocolate.. I love Chocolate ^^

--'''An Apple a day keeps <font color="Green">-The Doctor- Away.. 'Or does it!'' (talk)(contribs) 03:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)