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myoko-nojiri.com
Hi Ed,

I just noticed my site has been blacklisted. Just wanted to say that, despite the presence of ads, it's not a commercial site. I would earn maybe $5-$10 a month and that goes towards hosting and domain costs. If it was a commercial exercise it would've been abandoned years ago. Rather, like "Prince Valiant" it just has lots of useful information for people in the area. I decided to put the wiki links up after someone ripped off a whole lot of content some time ago and placed it on a wikitravel site. Also, as you probably noted, it's not a blind link. Each link was to a specific relevant page, e.g. Lake Nojiri to my Lake Nojiri page, Togakushi to my Togakushi page, etc. According to the stats people who came to the site from Wikipedia usually spent some time on the site so it must be providing useful content. However, I guess there's some guidelines that have been infringed, and the decision to take the site off the blacklist is up to you. Thanks.

Cheers, MNC —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.50.44.1 (talk) 02:21, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Dear MNC, First of all, the link has not been blacklisted, see m:User:COIBot/XWiki/myoko-nojiri.com. Seeing your IP-address and the IP of the author who placed the links I presume you are the person who placed most -if not all- of these links. This could constitute spam. Please have a look at Wikipedia:External links, item 1. Most of the information and even photos could be and should eventually be on wikipedia. It's not about a commercial nature, for example articles about a company can contain a link to the official website which was made to attract business. Last but not least I have to say your site looks very good, I was surprised there is an "Alpenblick Hotel" in Japan... ;) EdBever (talk) 07:58, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, no problem Ed. Thanks for clarifying that. I have chosen not to put a lot of content on wikipedia after having a bit of a battle with a travel site where a user lifted content, almost verbatim, off my site. When I sought to have it changed / acknowledged it turned into a bit of a battle. I thought by placing links it would perhaps short-circuit that happening again. However, obviously the number of links was unacceptable, although I sought to keep them within a strict geographical area covered by my site. Will desist from doing as such in future. Thanks for the compliment. I've put a lot of work into it ever since I started it up as a hobby in 2003. These days it's started to get a bit overwhelming trying to keep up. Cheers, MNC —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.50.44.1 (talk) 08:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, MNC, please feel free to cntribute your knowledge of the area to wikipedia. While others can copy text of wikipedia freely, this will mean that they can learn about your beautifull area. EdBever (talk) 08:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Enjoy
Enjoy your break - you deserve it - as for RC patrol - if it wasn't for your (and others) efforts - wp would soon be a nonsense - thanks - ClemMcGann (talk) 08:29, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Clem! EdBever (talk) 18:31, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, do take a break and come back refreshed. It looks like you have done lots of good work here, and it would be a pity to lose you just because of one situation which was moving fast and in which many were making swift decisions.  These things happen. None of us are perfect, and all make mistakes. Hopefully you will return rejuvenated and willing to give it all another chance.--Slp1 (talk) 12:41, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I am doing some other wikimedia maintenance tasks now. EdBever (talk) 09:34, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Welcome Back
Welcome back Ed, nice to see you here again, all the best SpitfireTally-ho! 21:19, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! EdBever (talk) 07:49, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Quick question
Just checking on a "Talk:Spam blacklist" policy you refer to when deleting links. I am fine with removing a link which is actually on the black list, but when you remove other stuff at the same time, blacklist could be seen as an umbrella cover up for anything you do. If you provide a "blacklist" in the details of your edit, and the links you removed are not in the blacklist, some authors may get worried. Could you use something like a "general cleanup" in these cases? Thanks! --diser (talk) 21:20, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, good idea. Thanks. EdBever (talk) 07:49, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Spam removal
Hi Ed, I saw you removed my add in several Wikipedia editions (together with user "Mercy") because it is commercial, and I understand this. However, why didn't you remove "parla.cat" too? --93.108.147.149 (talk) 20:19, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Parla.cat is only placed in two articles (one in english and one in Ukranian wikipedia), one talkpage and one userpage. This link did not (yet) show up on the COIbot reports, the bot which monitors placement of external links. This link is probably not relevant but it is not spam (yet), the local users can decide if they want this link. Your link was placed 44 times across wikipedia, of which 37 times in one day (!). Now that is spamming and that's not what wikipedia is for. I am glad you understand why we remove this sort of link. I hope you will add your knowledge (of catalan and other things) to wikipedia, happy editing! EdBever (talk) 09:17, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Joe jobbing put-in-bay.com
I think our Edgewater Hotel spammer (see MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist/archives/June 2009) is trying to bait us into blacklisting put-in-bay.com -- that's a Chamber of Commerce domain, not one of his. Certainly his edit summaries seem calculated to goad us into this; see Special:Contributions/65.43.193.9. This behaviour even has a name; it's known as a "Joe job".

I suggest that when he turns back up again with a new IP to spam a Chamber of Commerce link you just let the link stand and ignore him.

I blacklisted every Edgewater-related domain that I could find but I suspect our spammer owns more; I'll be happy to blacklist new ones as they reappear. Just list them at MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist with a link to the June archive section above. If you're unsure as to the domain's ownership, let me know and I'll check them. I spent several hours researching the various domains and business relationships associated with our earlier Put-in-Bay spam and I kept those notes. -- A. B. (talk • contribs) 21:01, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info! I had never heard of a Joe Job, but you might be right although I am not sure what this guy tries to do. The CoC serves the same purpose as the other links (generate tourism) albeit in a broader sense. The link was placed on the local blacklist today after various editwars, feel free to remove it if you like. Personally I think this link is not very relevant, but there is discussion at Talk:Put-in-Bay, Ohio that indicates several people feel this link is relevant. EdBever (talk) 21:41, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I thought that as well until we now see that put-in-bay.com is being redirected to another privately owned web site called visitputinbay.com Who is says it is registered to Island Business Solutions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.43.186.62 (talk) 17:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Organizational space
Your revert here seems to have removed a lot of useful information and edits. Please check whether you reverted more than you intended. Stifle (talk) 09:12, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * See below, thanks for your comment! EdBever (talk) 20:22, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Organizational space
Good morning, The page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizational_space has currently comments (orphan, wikified, categories) which were already resolved in an earlier version in June. All the work that solved these problems disappeared from the page! Someone has been doing this, I do not know who, but it is definitely wrong and inadequate! Please revert the page that was there this whole summer. Sincerely, Mark —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.125.57.12 (talk) 10:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I apologize for the inconvenience. I mistakenly assumed your edit was also wrong, which it clearly wasn't. I reverted the last anonymous editor since he was placing the same external link acoss several wikipedia-projects. I did not notice he had also edited in june. Then I saw your last edit and I saw the categories were in the first line in between normal text and I assumed to quickly that your edits were of a questionable nature too. I have restored back to the final version of june 24 and I have left out the link to organizationalspaces.com that was put in on August 14. Again let me apologize for the mess I made. EdBever (talk) 20:22, 17 August 2009 (UTC)