User talk:Ed O'Loughlin

Moved your post at Articles for deletion/Ed O'Loughlin 2nd attempt
Hello, please note that I've moved the post you made at Articles for deletion/Ed O'Loughlin 2nd attempt to the very bottom of the page. I believe that this is in line with the guidelines at Articles for deletion which state that comments should be started on a new line - placing it at the start of the discussion meant that it was unclear when in the discussion you made your comment. I have not changed the content of your post in any way (please see this link: to see the impact of the change) and I hope that this is OK and apologise in advance if it is not. You may also wish to have a look at the page Biographies of living persons which includes options to contact Wikipedia's management about this kind of issue. --Nick Dowling (talk) 10:58, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

About your point that we are not public
therefore somehow we cannot write about u, please keep in mind that we are not getting paid we are volunteers why should we make our names public, and please not that u yourself write that u r the subject of plenty of public scrunti, i agree with u that u should have the right for an objective biography, but if u think u can just shut up this process by just deleting the whole think u r mistaken, eventually, if what u say is right that u r the subject of publicity, that the article will be recreated by some other fan or detractor please save your endless hopeless fight to delete it, and instead focus on balancing out the negative unjustified negativity. yours truly--YY (talk) 11:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes and no
I read your criticism of Wikipedia and I certainly believe it's valid, not just for you but for many others.

At the same time, I should point out that in this case, the community of regular editors fought tooth and nail to keep the second article from staying. I know I spent several hours on this myself. So in some sense, this worked. It was plain to my fellow editor-nerds and I that most of the opposition to deleting your article came from "single purpose accounts". In the final decision for any article, notwithstanding their verbiage, such points of view are always heavily discounted by the deciding administrator.

After the first deletion discussion, by the way, your name was on several watchlists to watch for any attempt to re-create an "attack article". After this second version, your name has now been "protected" (locked down at the software-level) to prevent a third recurrence without administrator intervention.

Also, please see our policy on biographies of living people. You have certain absolute rights that over-ride most other considerations on Wikipedia. At some level of fame, you have to take the good with the bad -- we don't give George Bush or Kevin Rudd or even plain old MPs a free pass, but you're not at that level. And even then, any coverage of controversy here has to be balanced and sourced using reliable sources.

Anyway, if you wish, you can request deletion ("courtesy blanking") of the deletion discussion pages:
 * Articles for deletion/Ed O'Loughlin
 * Articles for deletion/Ed O'Loughlin/Anonymous user comments
 * Articles for deletion/Ed O'Loughlin 2nd attempt
 * Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Ed O'Loughlin 2nd attempt

If you spot any other bits of unbalanced vitriol about you, please let me know. I'll try to look for any more over the weekend.

If both sides in the Middle East are mad at you, I reckon you're doing something right.

If you have any additional concerns, please feel free to e-mail me using this link: Special:Emailuser/A. B.

Regards, -- A. B. (talk) 13:13, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

PS You travel to some bad neighbourhoods -- please stay safe. If you get kidnapped, you'll suffer the additional indignity of getting a third, and this time real, article about you! (Seriously, if this happens, any new article will be watched like a hawk).


 * Please drop me an e-mail at Special:Emailuser/A. B. when you get the chance. Thanks, --00:05, 25 January 2008 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by A. B. (talk • contribs)

Your recent edits
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For your information
Hello, I was the administrator who closed the AfD article related to you. I then "salted" it so that it can not easily be renewed. I have been approached by another admin (a good editor) who is considering setting up a carefully constructed page about you in his sandbox (meaning that it is not up on the main space) until such time as it ready for inclusion. I have suggested that you might be approached for assistance. Please '''click here to see the thread of the conversation]. Best wishes. -- VS talk 21:18, 24 January 2008 (UTC)