User talk:Ed Poor/Paul Klenk

Paul Klenk: help with a dispute
User Imdaking has been ganging up on me with other users. He admits on his user page that Unike is his AKA. I tagged both pages as sock puppets. He has been using Unike as a sock puppet to revert pages, and attack and annoy me. One moment, he says it's an old account, then next moment he's using that account. I'm getting fed up. I also suspect Chriss P. and others to be sock puppets of the same account. Can you please help me take care of this, as several users are not threatening me on my own talk page, and some of them are doing it anonymously. Paul Klenk 05:28, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

I blocked Paul Klenk for 12 hours for vandalising user pages and making personal attacks despite warnings. --Ryan Delaney talk 05:42, 25 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Ed, there's really no need to help, I think it's a dispute between the two users which other users accidentally got dragged into, for example he accused User:FreplySpang and me of being socks including putting the sock tag on our pages and I think he went a bit overboard on a sock hunt, I've left a note on his userpage explaining this and also volunteering to answer any questions he might have the subject, I think that will be the end of it. Jtkiefer  T - 05:52, August 25, 2005 (UTC)


 * Ed, Paul Klenk here. I really need your advice on how to handle this situation.  Regardless of what Jtkiefer said above, I never accused FreplySpang of being a sock (although I did tag Jtkiefer's page for reasons which I can explain).  The incident started after I made edits at Dirty Jobs; the originator of the page, Imdaking, started making rude comments, reverting my edits, and adding my name on his user page under the title "List of Annoying People."  He told me to leave his work along and edit my own pages.  I tried repeatedly to explain the reasons I was making the changes, which you can see if you read the history of that page.  Then, another user, Unike started making changes as well.


 * I read Imdaking's user page, noticed he was using Unike as a sock puppet, and did some research about the practice. After determining he was sock puppeting for the purpose of hiding his identity from me (as both Unike and 69.227.31.39), I tagged the pages of Imdaking, Unike and Chriss P. (also the same user, logging in and out as different users during the evening) as socks.  They immediately started reverting the pages to remove the tags.  Then, in almost no time whatsover, Jtkiefer joined in the reverting.  As I realized I was dealing with someone using three user names and one or two anonymous IP addresseses, I had no alternative but to assume that Jtkiefer was the same person as the three-in-one user Imdaking, Unike, and Chriss P.


 * While this was going one, anonymous people were leaving Warnings on my talk page, telling me to "stop harassing users and vandalising their pages". Well, I think you can see that I was harassing no one, and the only changes I made to pages were in good faith, and the users were ADMITTEDLY the same.  I was vandalizing no one.  If you disagree with this, and think I was vandalizing, please show me where.  Well, as I was getting anonymous users posting warnings on my page, Ryan came to Imdaking's rescue, and without telling me who he was, started posting the same warnings as Imdaking was posting.  Knowing I was only tagging pages that merited it, and not having any idea who Ryan was, I continued reverting pages when the sock tags were removed.


 * Then Ryan had me blocked for 12 hours. The "blocked user" page invited me to communicate to Ryan via e-mail, which I did, and he has never replied to me.  Further, Jtkiefer has made little effort to answer my questions about this whole affair.  I'm a relatively new user and do good work; I take care to make edits to others' work that is appropriate.  I would like to discuss this with you, Ed.  It is unthinkable to me that Ryan and Jtkiefer have come to the defense of Imdaking, an admitted sock, and blocked me, accusing me of vandalism when it is VERY clear the only changes I made were to add sock tags to the pages of admitted socks.  Thanks.  Paul Klenk 21:35, 25 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Paul, I don't know what this is all about. Is there some improvement you'd like to make to this encyclopedia? What specific improvement is being thwarted? Uncle Ed 14:40, August 26, 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, I just told you what it's all about. Did you even read what I wrote?  I'd like to create and edit articles without having crackpots complain when I edit "their" articles, and without having them use multiple identities to harass me, vandalise my page, and complain to their buddies, and without getting some absentee, unaccountable admin to block me for 12 hours.  This started when I rewrote an article Dirty Jobs that was plagiarized whole-hog from an Internet promotion of the show.


 * The nineteen-year-old miscreant was sockpuppeting in order to revert my edits and complain to/about me, so I tagged his three identities as socks. Then some admin, who has since refused to explain himself, blocked me for 12 hours.  What part of this don't you understand?  Afterwards, he vandalised my talk page.  Now, last night, another crackpot complained that I improperly tagged for deletion his efforts at 1] creating pages for one single scene in a movie; and 2] creating category tags for "characters who excel at anal sex in the movies".  I'd like to improve Wikipedia by creating original new articles, editing existing articles, and tagging patent nonsense for deletion without having teenage bullies round up their friends to gang up on me .   If you can do something about it great; if not, let me know so I don't waste your time.  Paul Klenk 15:02, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

It's annoying to have your account blocked. It even happened to *me* once. But you have to give the encyclopedia priority over your personal feelings. Please avoid personal remarks when discussing articles or administrative actions. Rather, focus on what contributions you plan to make to specific articles.

I've marked with strikeout tags a few phrases above which (in my opinion) detract from your argument because they verge on being personal attacks. Uncle Ed 10:17, August 28, 2005 (UTC)