User talk:Ed g2s/Archive4

FPC changes
Soon, most of the tasks of promoting an FPC will become automated, but we will be required to put a template tag with specific information on the FPC's vote page. Check out User talk:AllyUnion for the discussion. I'll probably make the template tomorrow sometime, and update the instructions for FPC promotion. -- brian0918   06:33, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Old POTD mechanism
Hi Ed,

Do you know how the older version of POTD used to work?.

Today, I came across a couple of users who include

on their user page. However Template:Pic of the day Tuesday and similar are stuck on POTDs from last November, because no one has been updating them since the move over the the newer auto-archive version of POTD.

I was thinking to replace each of the [Template:Pic of the day Daynames] with a redirect to Template:Pic of the day, but I wasn't sure this would do the trick and it would lead to some double/tripple redirects. There also seems to be a set of MediaWiki:Pic of the day Tuesday, but I have no idea what they are for (interface messages?).

An alternative might be to update each user page linking to the older templates and then delete the POTD-Dayname templates. -- Solipsist 17:04, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Caption fiddling on TV pages
Hi,

I understand why you changed the caption layout on TV show pages to which I added an info box, but the caption on Good Times is not showing up now. Can you look at it again and get it to show? The caption is important, so I will revert to the old way if you can't get it to appear. Thanks. Moncrief 18:44, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

infobox television/movie
If you're going to change one, change both. I don't want to change the movie box. Be prepared to explain your changes there, though. – flamurai (t) 21:58, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

Infobox television
Could you do a link to TV Tome? - 69.216.232.13 02:54, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, but you will need to add the variables to all the pages first. ed g2s  •  talk  12:31, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

images
ed, who r u to tell me what images to upload? (User:Gregz)
 * well i got a gd 1 4 ya, pleased? (User:Gregz)

images for the MainPage
Hello, Ed g2s. Please be reminded to protect all images on the MainPage before posting them, and tag them with. We have been doing this since February to prevent vandalism on the MainPage. Many thanks. -- PFHLai 07:04, 2005 Apr 17 (UTC)

Pope Infobox
Hi. I was just wondering: why did you drastically change the appearance of the pope infobox. I thought it had looked pretty nice the way it was, and your changes have altered a lot of pope pages that need to be fixed now (they're not all uniform). A few users have been trying to perfect many of these articles, and now it seems there is more work to be done. Bratsche talk random 03:37, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Also, what is this "toccolors" keep mentioning? Is it some template, or policy? Thanks, Bratsche talk  random 01:13, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

I don't really understand what you mean, but thanks for the reply. I've posted a message at the main infobox talk page. Bratsche talk random 03:59, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC) Source of Reply
 * I want to apologize for my comrades over at pope infobox. I know that yuou're trying to keep everything consistent, and according to the CSS formats here. Some of the comments haven't been so charitable. I do think that the new (Gerald's) infobox is better, and so I followed your advice and posted it on main infobox talk page. Have a good day, Bratsche talk  random 23:15, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

National football teams

 * The naming convention for national football team pages is "Country name national football team". ed g2s  •  talk  11:57, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Any conventions you agree upon should follow the rules of English grammar. In the above phrase "country name" is used as an adjective, and the adjective form of "Germany" is "German" (as in "German nation", not "Germany nation".) Mkweise 19:37, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Citations/Source Templates
Hi, thanks for you attention for those templates, however, I disagree with the choice of reducing the conspicuousness of the design. I consider the templates advertising for the project. To make it known to the user that Wikipedia is recognized as a source of excellent information, I wanted to place an overbearing box across the page. IMO, the usefulness of raising Wikipedia's credibility is justification for the unconventional format. Regards, Lotsofissues 13:09, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The Pope Infobox
I have proposed Gerard's pope infobox on Infobox policy for all religious leaders. There has been no objections since Friday, so if that continues I am planning on helping to implement the Infobox pope where needed. Trödel| talk 17:31, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Can you point me to some reference on the toccolours class - I would be happy to work to conform the box so that it will look good regardless of the Skin chosen by the reader. I am asuming that toccolours is a css stylesheet for html. I must say however that if it primarly uses gray I am going to be reluctant to make changes - gray is such a drab color. Anyway - I am going to search for it too so I may be back before you read this. Trödel| talk 00:57, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well I found some stuff on it over at meta - but it is really not an attractive colorscheme and when I tried to add it into the infobox at differnt levels to see if we could tie it in somehow by using it as a minor design element the results were not good. Other than matching the infobox and the interwiki boxes, are there additional reasons you would like to use the sytle? Trödel| talk 01:14, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Civility
Ok. -- brian0918   17:17, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Football club infobox
Hi, I've started to expand the Swedish football articles and would like to suggest an improvement to the infobox. How about adding a place for the logo, which would make things look neater than they do currently when adding a logo to a page? -Elisson 00:21, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * AFAIK, the problem with logo's not available under free use seems to only affect English clubs as hqfl.dk has logos for almost every other country in the world. And I do believe that the English logos can be acquired in other ways. As you say, for clubs with no logo available, just adding a picture relating to the club will do fine. --Elisson 10:30, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Of course, I meant fair and not free use. Sorry for that. :) --Elisson 12:32, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Edit, I've created a test template at Template:Football_club_infobox/badge and it seems to work fine even for clubs without any badge available. Just add badge = | and there will be no noticeable difference between this template and the old. For clubs with logo, just add the usual image link and it works fine. See IFK Göteborg for infobox with badge, Gefle IF for infobox without badge. --Elisson 11:12, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * I can change it, it will take some time, but I'll do it. Should we move the infobox/badge template over to to the regular infobox template? --Elisson 13:12, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi, I updated all the teams listed below with image = |:

Paysandu Sport Club - Guarani Futebol Clube - Galicia Esporte Clube - Coritiba Foot Ball Club - Associação Atlética Ponte Preta - Brasiliense Futebol Clube - Figueirense Futebol Clube - Goiás Esporte Clube - Esporte Clube Juventude - Olimpia Asunción - Esporte Clube Santo André - Criciúma Esporte Clube - Associação Portuguesa de Desportos - Ipatinga Futebol Clube - Sociedade Esportiva do Gama - Sociedade Esportiva e Recreativa Caxias do Sul - Clube de Regatas Brasil - Vila Nova Futebol Clube - Ceará Sporting Club - Avaí Futebol Clube - Paulista Futebol Clube - Marília Atlético Clube - Ituano Sociedade Civil de Futebol Ltda - América Football Club - Americano Futebol Clube - Associação Desportiva Cabofriense - Bangu Atlético Clube - Volta Redonda Futebol Clube - GIF Sundsvall - Associação Atlética Portuguesa (RJ) - Friburguense Atlético Clube - Madureira Esporte Clube - Olaria Atlético Clube - Campo Grande Atlético Clube

I hope that this will help you, Elisson and Ed g2s --Carioca 18:59, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Together with the changes made by Carioca, all pages (hopefully, I've gone through the whole list but I might have missed a few pages, although I don't think so) using the template have now been changed, and I've also changed the template itself. Now I'll start going through badges and fixing them. --Elisson 12:19, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Not completely related to this, but still close enough, I've edited the Template:Hqfl logos so that it should put the image pages which use the template in a separate category (Category:HQFL Logos) and not the usual logos category but it doesn't seem to work. What am I doing wrong? Is there somo special syntax to be included on the category page or is my browser just not updating the page correctly? --Elisson 17:10, 3 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Okay, that's not good. :) You're right, removing and adding the tag will fix it. I'll just have to do that whenever I stumble upon an old logo. I think having the HQFL logos in a separate category will ease up work for anyone searching for already uploaded badges. Good or bad idea? --Elisson 17:25, 3 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Strangely enough: the template switches leftarm and rightarm in the names. Now they're named after the viewers l/r. Of course it should be the players l/r. This is especially counter-intuitive when the armcoulours are different: AS Monaco FC, Feyenoord. In the end the face is OK (in these examples), the mistake is corrected in the edit-page (i.e. the reader doesn't see the mistake; the editor should beware). -DePiep 12:50, 4 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't see a problem in this. As you say, they're named after the viewers PoV, but does it make things harder in any way? In case someone actually manages to colour any jersey the wrong way, they should learn to use the preview button. :) --Elisson 16:20, 4 May 2005 (UTC)


 * The problem is as big or as small as I wrote: prone to a mistake, because counter-intuitive. You wrote how to solve it, thereby illustrating that the editor should try (instead of read): q.e.d. When we make a box to illustrate the players shoes (innit an important thing, here?), would you still describe his left shoe as 'right'? I think that wouldn't fit. -DePiep 12:10, 9 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Well I haven't had any problems with it and I doubt it is a real problem to anyone else either. IMHO, it's not counter-intuitive, and the creator of the kit templates mustn't have thought so either, as he chose to put the left arm template on his left. As to a pair of shoes, yes, I'd describe "his" left as "my" right and I wouldn't have a problem with it. And I don't believe the shoes are important, different players in the same team uses different models with different colours. -- Elisson | Talk 20:10, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Indeed, when I created the template - I thought it was intuitive to label the arm on the left "left_arm". ed g2s  •  talk  02:33, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Superherobox
Ed, thanks for the cleanup you did to Template:Superherobox. You're my superhero. Heh heh. --NormanEinstein 13:59, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Now that the infobox is sized with em instead of pixels, should the images also have their size specified in em? --NormanEinstein 14:33, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Be a bad idea, because the images might end up stretched in some instances. And the images themselves are absoultely-sized with the way the Wiki calculates the images, so I don't think it'd work anyway - SoM 15:02, 4 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Re: align="center" doesn't exist in XHTML, nor is it necessary as the tables are the same width

I know it doesn't exist in XHTML, but I can't remember the CSS way of making the table itself (as opposed to the text within) centred in CSS, so I bunged the "align=center"s in as a stopgap until someone (you?) puts the CSS in.

And it's necessary because there are tons of articles out there which use images which are now too wide for the box, and thus stretch the box. This means that the inner boxes are not the same size as the outer box, and thus look wrong. Until they're fixed, it's best to have something in there. - SoM

Danke. And I plan to, I just think that allowing for graceful degredation is a good idea :) - SoM 15:21, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
 * this is how to do it with CSS, and if you see any very large images, scale them down

Punting
Thanks for your comments about my contributions to Punting.

If you were to browse back through the article history you would find that the tone of the article was very informal/humorous when I started on it a couple of months ago. I have been attempting to make some more encyclopedic additions while retaining some of the original flavour of the piece.

But I'll take your comments as confirmation that this is the right direction to continue to move this article, and will rewrite more of the light-hearted original. Thruston 12:12, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Image:Conrad Schumann.jpg
This image has been listed at Possibly unfree images (May 6). I am notifying you because you tagged this image as public domain. Thuresson 18:18, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom
I reverted your "Lilybet" as checking showed it to be an error by Time magazine - the correct usage was "Lilibet". More to the point though it is a protected page at the moment so we (as sysops who should know better!) should also not be editing there for the moment ;-P --Vamp:Willow 13:55, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Football club infobox
See talk:Football club infobox for my response to your unexplained rv --Concrete Cowboy 10:22, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Radio station infoboxes
Hi. Great work with the template - a long overdue amendment. Have knocked out all on List_of_UK_radio_stations from T onwards, and will return a bit later to harass a few more. Smb1001 20:48, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Infobox Pope
I just wanted to stop by and say I really respect you for advocating for the status quo on the Infobox Pope template. I know that you would prefer that this template use the toccolours style, and I think it is great for you to advocate for the use of subtemplates (as opposed to meta-templates) on even those templates that have a format with which you disagree. Trödel| talk 13:05, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Image:Hammersmith and city line.png
Three months ago, I saw that Image:Hammersmith and city line.png had been listed as a speedy-deletion candidate. I looked at the image on Commons, and agreed with User:MarkSweep and User:Niteowlneils that the version on Commons was superior. I'm sorry that you liked your version better. I certainly did not mean to hurt your feelings. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 20:21, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

The text labels on yours just aren't legible at most sizes. My versions may look more 'rough' in certain conditions, but at least people can read the words. In the multi-step process to make the following images BOTH lost quality--I can send you the original BMP screenshots (cropped to make the size not too unbearable, but they give a better picture of what I am actually seeing) if you want to give me an email address. Side-by-side on-screen comparison here (mine's on top). Niteowlneils 01:34, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi Ed. I agree with Niteowlneils: the text labels are too small to read. Perhaps you could make a version with text that's about twice as big? It looks like there will be room if you move some of the labels to the opposite side of the line. For example, "Moorgate" could go below the line instead of above.

Also, perhaps you could provide a reference at saying where you got your geographic data, and how you know the line is actually shaped like that. Cite sources, after all, applies to images as well as articles! Thanks, dbenbenn | talk 17:32, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Infobox baseball
Nice changes to the look of the Infobox baseball template. Gorrister 12:19, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Image source
Thank you for uploading Image:Taiwan Strait.png. Its copyright status is unclear, so it may have to be deleted. Please leave a note on the image page about the source of the image. Thank you. --BCKILLa 17:54, 21 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Fixed. HTH. James F. (talk) 18:22, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
 * there was a bit of a confusion, as the link that Image:Taiwan Strait.png claimed to be a derivative of was Image:Taiwan Straits.jpg, while it should have been Image:Taiwan straits.jpg (no capital s on straits). Thanks for fixing that problem. --BCKILLa 19:29, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Manchester United/History of Manchester United
Hi,

I noticed you'd been working on Man United-related pages and could do with your opinion on something.

The history section was split out of the page last year (I think) but someone then wrote another history section in the main page. Both pages are now well over the recommended maximum size for a Wikipedia article, and it's getting to the stage where I suspect people are editing them without reading them all the way through (which would explain why the Glazer takeover is mentioned twice in Manchester United, in roughly the same amount of detail each time.

So, my idea is to create new pages for different eras in United's history, merge the relevant bits of Alex Ferguson, History of Manchester United and the History section of Manchester United into each new page and put summaries of each new page on Manchester United, with comments asking people not to make the summaries too long. The new articles would have titles like:


 * Manchester United pre-1945
 * Manchester United 1945-1968
 * Manchester United 1968-1986
 * Manchester United 1986-present

I think something like this is necessary to keep the pages manageable, but obviously don't want to make such big changes to other people's work without hearing what people think first. Please let me know what you think, at the Manchester United talk page.

Thanks, Cantthinkofagoodname 11:02, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Multilicense
Hi Ed. Would you be willing to release Image:2004 US elections map.png as cc-by-sa-2.0? Since the GFDL is incompatible with the Creative Commons licenses, Image:2004 election maps.PNG is technically a copyright violation at the moment. (One could argue that the other images used are implicitly GFDL, having been uploaded here by their creators, but that's slightly iffy.) Thanks, dbenbenn | talk 05:28, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
 * You need to ask Wapcaplet who created the original .svg file. ed g2s  •  talk  10:08, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
 * If Wapcaplet's image is share-alike then mine is automatically. It's free. Do what you want. ed g2s  •  talk  22:08, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, as I understand it, when you modify an image that is multilicensed, you can take it under any of the licenses individually; you don't have to release your modified work under all the licenses. Copyright is such a pain.  I went ahead and tagged Image:2004 US elections map.png as cc-by-2.0.  That actually isn't share-alike, but it's the license I needed.  Thanks, dbenbenn | talk 23:00, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Arsenal F.C. crest
Why can't the club's current crest be in the infobox, like many other clubs'? I can see your point in putting it by the paragraph about the change in crest instead, but with two images devoted to just one paragraph of text, it spills over into the next section rather unneatly.

Doesn't matter a great deal, I know, but I thought it looked neater in the infobox... Qwghlm 10:07, May 24, 2005 (UTC)


 * I would argue it's currently not in the 'Crest' section (it intrudes way down into the next one), and it would be equally relevant to have it in the space provided in the infobox, which would put it on equal footing with all the other football club pages on WP. Qwghlm 10:54, May 24, 2005 (UTC)


 * While it's all very well having both crests at hand for that paragraph, it shouldn't be done if it's going to prevent displaying the crest at the top like any other club is able to do; as long as both images are on the page I think it's fine. Qwghlm 11:35, May 24, 2005 (UTC)

The difficulty I have is that it singles out the Arsenal pages - if your main concern is an image appearing twice, then remove the second bigger one from the crest section below. If your concern is that it's a copyrighted logo, then remove all the logos from the infoboxes from other clubs. Be consistent. --khaosworks July 9, 2005 18:13 (UTC)
 * It's hardly stupid - the original crest is still in the crest section. When people read about the later crest it's displayed in the info box. All the information is there, and the information is equally there in the info box if people are only looking there. Your way, the crest vanishes from the info box for no good reason leaving people to puzzle why it's not there when it's there on every other FC article. --khaosworks July 9, 2005 18:22 (UTC)
 * Every other Premiere League club has its crest in the infobox. Again, why single out Arsenal? --khaosworks 22:53, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * I know it's a minor detail, but it just looks odd. If you're talking about a double use of the crest, my proposal is simply to get it the new crest out of the crest section, leave the old one there, and put the new crest in the infobox. The reader isn't stupid. He can see what it is. That way, it preserves information and it looks consistent. If it's such a minor detail, why insist on changing it against all the other club articles? --khaosworks 23:19, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * And I'm saying it doesn't necessarily have to be a choice between one and the other. Fair dealing is equally as strong if it's up in the infobox or it's down there. You expect the old crest in the Crest section, but you also would expect the club symbol to be in the infobox as well, as it is presented in all the clubs. It's not merely cosmetic; you shouldn't have the reader have to scroll down all the way just to see the club crest - otherwise, what's the point of the image field in the infobox to begin with? --khaosworks 00:59, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * And yet, it's there, so obviously you're in the minority when it comes to that. It should be used. Would you like to take it to Talk:Arsenal and put it to a vote to see if there's a consensus opinion on this? --khaosworks 01:21, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

I've moved the discussion to Talk:Arsenal and placed this on Third opinion. --khaosworks 03:06, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

London underground maps
Hi, I noticed the original author's copyright statement for the image of which Image:London Underground Zone1.png and Image:London underground zone 1 small.png are derivative works. This explicitly prohibits distribution of derivative works under the GFDL, so accordingly I have removed the tag.

I'm not sure what other implications this may have, so thought I should bring this to your attention. Stoive 19:25, 25 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Further to this and following the discussion, I have put another version of Simon Clarke's license on these images. I have also put it on all of the other London Underground drawings of yours, on the assumption that these were derived from the same data. If in fact some were derived from sources which are unambiguously eligible for release under GFDL, please feel free to revert, otherwise I hope that you will continue to respect Simon's license while content remains that is based on his work, and perhaps use the same copyright license on any other related images that I may have missed.


 * This is not in any way personal or directed against you. I am simply following through the implications of my discovery of Simon's copyright terms, and of the discussion that followed. I'm sure you would agree that Wikipedia needs to be seen to be above board and complying with all applicable copyright laws. Stoive 00:11, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Just taking the next logical step with the line images you reverted on the grounds of having been "created from scratch". Several of these still give credit in their description . If this credit is incorrect, can you change it to refer to the source you did use? Otherwise I think that at present we probably need the non-GFDL license back. Stoive 02:10, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Template:Battlebox
Can you explain this edit? Gdr

The XHTML and CSS compliance is good. Thank you. But why the other changes? Is there some standard for how infoboxes should look? Where is this documented and where was it discussed? Gdr 16:52, 2005 May 29 (UTC)

Sydney harbour bridge pic
Hi there, I just wanted to let you know that I have the high resolution version now of this image up for featured picture. Thanks, -- Silversmith Hewwo 23:07, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)