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Speedy deletion nomination of Fredie Blom


A tag has been placed on Fredie Blom requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion discussion, at Articles for deletion/Fredie Blom. When a page has substantially identical content to that of a page deleted after a discussion, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

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DYK for Graziano Mesina
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Congratulations!!
Congratulations. I know we have never interacted before this RfA process. But, I have been genuinely impressed by all the comments that you received through the process. 200-0-0!!! Thanks also for taking one of my questions there (I think it was question #11).

I wish you the very best for your role as an Admin. I am sure we all will be much the richer from your Adminship, based on everything that I have seen in that group!

Good luck! Stay wonderful.

Ktin (talk) 03:40, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Congrats!
G'day Eddie, welcome to the admin corps. I am sure you will be a great asset. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:24, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Fabian Ware
I only noticed just now that you did get Fabian Ware to featured article status in the end. Congratulations on that. I have just been reading it and it looks great. Nice to see that the blue plaque image I added back in 2016 is still there (though I feel a bit guilty there is no reference!). I was minded to look into that again (for some reason I thought I had a photo from Westminster Abbey of the [small] memorial stone there [which the IWM War Memorials Register lists as an 'exception' to their inclusion criteria!], but I don't have a photo of that after all) and I noticed there is another (local) plaque marking his birthplace in Bristol, on Glendower House - it seems a bit obscure, though see here and here. I had a bit more luck with finding a freely licensed photo of his CWGC-style grave headstone in Amberley, and have uploaded that to Commons and added to the image category for him, see here - I prefer the Gloucester Cathedral tablet image, but you may want to find room for the grave photo? (I was unaware until now of the 'epitaph' there: "I BELIEVE IN THE COMMUNION OF SAINTS" - I can't remember how much Crane and others talk of Ware's religion - was he deeply religious?) Carcharoth (talk) 02:17, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , thanks for looking into this! I'll add the image when I get a chance, as well as a mention of the plaque and that it's an exception-- all very interesting. wrt the Westminster Abbey memorial, the last time I was there, I inquired about where his stone would be, and if memory serves it was in an area I couldn't easily take a picture in. Looking at Crane right now, in the index under 'Ware, Fabian Arthur Goulstone; religious influence on", I see two places where it turns up: On p. 15, Crane writes that his childhood was steeped in "the theological rancour of Victorian England's most combative, divisive and embattled Calvinist sect" and says as an adult "his whole life remained a constant such for a faith or dream". The following page, Crane expounds on that, saying that ware was looking for an alternative "for the religious certitudes and deep seriousness of the faith he had intellectually abandoned". He goes on to write that "Ware's whole life became a violent rejection of a sect that had turned its back on the whole world". Then on p.229, Crane mentions religion a bit again. From reading the book, I didn't get the impression he was deeply religious, but could add a mention if you think it's relevant. Anyways, I'll try to get to this asap, but I have got a lot to catch up on. Best wishes, Eddie891 Talk Work 12:28, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The Ware tablet (really just a rectanglar stone placed in the wall) is in St George's Chapel (originally the Warriors Chapel) to the right of the main door as you go in (i.e. to your right as you face the grave of the Unknown Warrior). When I was in that area after the service to dedicate the floor tablet to C. S. Lewis in December 2013, I took a photo of the WW2 Civilian Roll of Honour (see also here), but the chapel itself is generally locked and not well-lit. The other item in that side chapel is the tablet to the British Empire dead of the World Wars (originally just for WWI of course) - there is a fascinating history there, which I did an article on here (there is an error there relating to later tablets that I think were never actually erected that needs correcting by digging into the CWGC online archives). The photos in that article are from several countries, including some from a trip to Amiens, but annoyingly I failed to set the resolution on my camera to a high enough setting to be able to transcribe the Afrikaans inscription on the memorial tablet in Amiens Cathedral in 2014 (though it was hard to even find that tablet it looks so different to the others). Anyway, the reason I mention it is that Ware does mention the cathedral tablets a fair amount in his reports and his The Immortal Heritage (1937) - do you have a copy of that? I may be too close to the subject of the cathedral tablets to judge it objectively, but could you look and see if you think it should be mentioned in the Ware article? This should really be taken to the article talk page, please feel free to move it there. Carcharoth (talk) 14:18, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

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Your request for adminship
Hi Eddie891, I have closed your request for adminship as successful. Congratulations for both your successful and unanimously-supporter nomination! As always, the administrators' reading list is worth reading and the new admin help pages are most certainly available if you feel that you might require some practice with the tools in a safe environment prior to applying them elsewhere on the project. Good luck! Acalamari 11:27, 19 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Congrats! ~ AC5230  talk  11:29, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, everyone! I was surprised, overwhelmed, and humbled over the whole seven days&mdash; and while it never happened answering the questions, I'm at a bit of a loss for words now. I feel very, very lucky to have had such a great experience, and very honored that the community has seen fit to trust me with the tools. *mumbles and walks away* "so many buttons... so much to learn... so much to catch up on... Best wishes, all! Eddie891 Talk Work 23:46, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Congratulations. Well deserved. — Nnadigoodluck 🇳🇬 11:30, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, and excellent answers to the questions, in my view. Mop wisely - my suggestion is to start here and delete a few expired PRODs. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  11:35, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Congrats - well deserved! Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:40, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 100 emoji.png x 2 --- C &amp; C ( Coffeeandcrumbs ) 12:01, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Well... that's improved my day. Excellent. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 13:08, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * +1  CAPTAIN MEDUSA   talk  13:26, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, I don't know if your realize how rare it is to go though the meat grinder of the RfA without a single oppose, some of the jerks just oppose because they want to be contrary. Well, you deserve it!  --rogerd (talk) 14:53, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * What makes this RFA special is that not only it's an unopposed RFX200, it also has exactly 200 votes. Anyways, congratulations on adminship! Hx7 16:57, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yours was the first unanimously-supported RfA since 2015, and the first unopposed since 2017. Great job! – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 18:58, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Congratulations. When you get bored of scrabbling down the back of the sofa for the right block message, have a look at my Monobook.js, some kind soul put some code there that gives a useful dropdown menu.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  21:25, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Congrats! Not surprising that you weren't opposed at all, but I am surprised that it was a round 200. Anyway, good luck with the tools. epicgenius (talk) 21:55, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Felicitations and welcome to the team. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:04, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Adding a late congratulations and good luck. Donner60 (talk) 02:25, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Slightly belated congratulations. Welcome to the team. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 14:19, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * A much more belated congrats - and always happy to see another AfD soul around. I would like to tender a complaint that you're making it very hard for future candidates who have to both unopposed and find an even nicer round number to finish with! Nosebagbear (talk) 16:27, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Some practice on several speedy delete and moves?
Congratulations! I have been doing a bit of re-naming some ACW Union Army units, subsequent to this discussion. Today I was cleaning up Indiana units, and I had to request G6 on several pages which would be targets of moves (User:BusterD/CSD log). It's not a complicated thing, but I thought somebody with a new toolset might like the chance to practice the same technique several times in a row. In any case, congratulations and thanks for your willingness to put yourself forward for the mop. BusterD (talk) 18:53, 23 August 2020 (UTC) Thx! BusterD (talk) 20:11, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks on both counts, ! Particularly thanks for thinking of me wrt the requests. I got so excited that I tried to do two of your requests on mobile and rather made a mess of it, I’m afraid. Could you have a look and see if I got everything right in the end? I’ll check in when I get to the computer. Always important for me to remember how limiting mobile is... Best wishes Eddie891 Talk Work 20:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * First two look fine, now. There's making a mess and then there's deleting the main page. Experience is a blessing. Anything I can do to make your mopping experience more pleasurable? BusterD (talk) 20:23, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * quite right! As for my experience, it's been pretty rewarding so far, and (hopefully) will continue to be so. If you come across any other things that might be good practice, I'd really appreciate if you sent them my way. Best wishes, Eddie891 Talk Work 00:46, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

GAR of United States Code Congressional and Administrative News
Hi Eddie. I see you started a GAR at United States Code Congressional and Administrative News earlier this month. You have two options of GAR; a community one or an individual one. After you transcribe the template you need to choose which one. I agree with you regarding its status so went for the individual one on your behalf. If you meant to go through the community let me know and I will delete the page (the community process is broken so I like to encourage experienced GA editors to go the indiviual route). The page is at Talk:United States Code Congressional and Administrative News/GA2. Cheers AIRcorn (talk) 22:01, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, but I thought I created a reassessment page at Talk:United States Code Congressional and Administrative News/GA1? I’m on mobile now, will check in when I have better editing capacity tonight. Best wishes Eddie891 Talk Work 20:07, 23 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Interesting. For some reason the template didn't lead to it. Did you create it by clicking the link or did you do it separately. either way I will delete my one and direct the talk page to yours. AIRcorn (talk) 10:34, 24 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks, for cleaning this up. I created it with User:SD0001/GAR-helper, a script that is decent at doing the GAR process for you, but it always puts the link number on the template 1 too high, and I think I forgot to change it here. Anyways, it looks good now. Best wishes, Eddie891 Talk Work 11:20, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

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Request to do the needful changes to Draft of Nikhil Anand
Hello, I tried to create the wikipedia page of Draft:Nikhil Anand who owns several beauty competitions and is going to direct a Big movie in India. However, my draft still has some corrections required. WOuld you please help me so that it can be pubished and I can also learn from you. The help will be much appreciated. Richardmat (talk) 19:12, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, ! I've had a go at working on some of the article. At a glance the formatting doesn't seem to be terrible now, though you want to avoid things like random capitals ("and Vridhi jain Emerged") and vague statements like "which gave him the fame". However, I think you need to consider whether Anand meets our notability guideline. The article has been deleted no fewer than five times-- how is he more notable now? our notability standards for biographies states that a person must have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar enough with the sourcing to make that call for you. If you have more questions, feel free to ask them here or at the teahouse, where there are people far more competent than myself willing to answer your questions. Best wishes, Eddie891 Talk Work 20:47, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Duck
Welcome to your new adminship. Articles for deletion/List of fictional locations in Thomas & Friends. I observe you closed Articles for deletion/List of fictional locations in Thomas & Friends exactly on the 168 hours. There's nothing wrong with that and there is only one credible result for this however I would point out article alerts barfed for a couple of days which doesn't give full access. Anyway I think I had some content on that article I might reuse so can I have a userfication or copy emailed ... thanks. Djm-leighpark (talk) 18:04, 25 August 2020 (UTC) WP:TROUT me I'm talking rubbish. Thanks.Djm-leighpark (talk) 18:06, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

List of fictional locations in Thomas & Friends
Attempt2: Please userify Articles for deletion/List of fictional locations in Thomas & Friends. I observe you closed Articles for deletion/List of fictional locations in Thomas & Friends exactly on the 168 hours. There's nothing wrong with that and there is only one credible result for this however I would point out article alerts barfed for a couple of days which doesn't give full access which hasn't helped. There's a discussion ongoing at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Animation/Thomas & Friends task force and there's been a scattergun rather than a bundle approach to the various Thomas articles. This article's not returning as is but might be a merge. There's other related stuff going on too e.g. Articles for deletion/Sammy the Shunter so resource is stretched handling this. To confirm userify requested. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 18:27, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , I've userfied it at User:Djm-leighpark/List of fictional locations in Thomas & Friends Just remember there was a very strong consensus to delete, so do with it what you will. Eddie891 Talk Work 18:49, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks .. the one thing I have no intention of doing it plonking it straight back into mainspace as it is. But it might be a merge/list .. only might.  Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 19:07, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Peer review request for Tajuddin Ahmad
Hi Eddie. Would you please have a look at this peer review request?

The article is about a historically important politician of Bangladesh (a south-east Asian country). He was, in fact, the first Prime Minister of Bangladesh who led the war for its independence in 1971. The war is a major one to have occurred during the cold war. Not too many people are likely to be interested in this person or topic outside Bangladesh. Anyway, I am particularly interested in a review that points out how well does it serve an international audience, little informed or uninformed about Bangladesh or south-east Asian politics.

Thanks. --Farhan nasim (talk) 07:00, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'll take a look tomorrow. Eddie891 Talk Work 00:44, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Have been waiting for your feedback, Eddie ;) --Farhan nasim (talk) 10:32, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Please edit my draft
I would like to invite you to edit my Signpost Draft here: User:P,TO 19104/Signpost Draft/T. Thanks, P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 16:11, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

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August
Thank you for improving articles in August! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:44, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

A first for me today: a featured list (= a featured topic in this case) on the Main page, see Main Page history/2020 August 21, an initiative by Aza24 in memory of Brian. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:25, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

... and congrats to winning our trust for the cleaning job! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:26, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, good to see the featured topic as well! Eddie891 Talk Work 13:43, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Rhythm Is It! - I expanded that stub on my dad's birthday because we saw the film together back then, and were impressed. As a ref said: every educator should see it. Don't miss the trailer, for a starter. - A welcome chance to present yet another article by Brian on the Main page, Le Sacre du printemps. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:17, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 17
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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open
Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are now open. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting doesn't commence until 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the coord team. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:04, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Philip McHarris
Now, maybe it was a correct close, but the closer on this AfD you started——has existed for less than 24 hours. I smell a rat, or a sock … Not sure what to do about this? AleatoryPonderings (talk) 01:03, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , thanks for bringing this up here, but it seems like by the time I got here, the close was reverted and the user blocked. I'd agree that the consensus here is to 'keep', but in the case of a suspicious close, it should be reverted. Anyways, thanks again for all you do and remaining civil at AFD (something all too many people struggle to do). Best wishes, Eddie891 Talk Work 01:51, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Got it—and yes, saw that it was reverted shortly after I posted here. And no problem! Thanks for your gracious response :) AleatoryPonderings (talk) 02:13, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup 2020 September newsletter
The fourth round of the competition has finished, with 865 points being required to qualify for the final round, nearly twice as many points as last year. It was a hotly competitive round with two contestants with 598 and 605 points being eliminated, and all but two of the contestants who reached the final round having achieved an FA during the round. The highest scorers were


 * Free Hong Kong flag.svg Bloom6132, with 1478 points gained mainly from 5 featured lists, 12 DYKs and 63 in the news items;
 * 🇮🇩HaEr48 with 1318 points gained mainly from 2 featured articles, 5 good articles and 8 DYKs;
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski with 1201 points mainly gained from 2 featured articles and 10 good articles.

Between them, contestants achieved 14 featured articles, 14 featured lists, 2 featured pictures, 87 good articles, 90 DYK entries, 75 ITN entries, 95 featured article candidate reviews and 81 good article reviews. Congratulations to all who participated! It was a generally high-scoring and productive round and I think we can expect a highly competitive finish to the competition.

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Chopin & Liszt in Warsaw
Hi, if I recall correctly I remember seeing at RFA that you had a lot of AFD experience. I was wondering what you think of Chopin & Liszt in Warsaw, I recently discovered this article and it seems to be about a non notable album by a pianist who is barely notable – a quick google search gives almost no reviews or coverage on the album. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Best Aza24 (talk) 07:31, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, ! I agree that at a glance the album doesn't seem to be particularly notable-- though I cannot read polish, so can't really pass judgment on the quality of sourcing. If you can, a good alternative to deletion here would be redirection to the artists page. If you cannot decide with the polish sources, I'd recommend taking it to afd. Eddie891 Talk Work 15:45, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the insight, I look into further and likely end up putting it up at AFD. Ugh I had to do this but can you take a look at the conversation happening at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Composers ? A user had their article rejected twice since it doesn't seem to be about a notable composer and then began claiming that everyone who disagreed with perpetuating systematic bias and proceeded to move the article to the main space anyways. It's about a composer who is still a student at Juilliard, hasn't received a major commision and seemingly appears as a promotional piece; the references are sketchy and lots of primary ones are used... This seems to be a clear case of an article that should be brought to AFD but I would appreciate your insight once again. Aza24 (talk) 22:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello again, . It seems like there has already been an AFD opened and pretty extensive discussion on the topic, though I'd agree that he seems non notable. Best, Eddie891 Talk Work 12:34, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Henry Gage (16th-century landowner)
Hi, I missed this AfD but for some reason (I don't recall why) the article deleted was on my watchlist. Would you be able to userfy it for me so I can see why I thought it was worth keeping an eye on? --Andreas Philopater (talk) 13:09, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. Userfied at User:Andreas Philopater/Henry_Gage_(16th-century_landowner), . There are eight others, do you want those as well? You could probably find them on the wayback machine. Best, Eddie891 Talk Work 13:13, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for that. I've had a look and still can't work out why I "watched" it. I did make a few edits to Henry Gage (soldier) at one time, but it isn't even clear if they're related. Can I just tag the user subpage for deletion or is that an admin action? --Andreas Philopater (talk) 13:18, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , You can tag it under WP:U1 as a user subpage. I could  probably go ahead and delete it myself, but I'd rather err on the side of caution as a new admin. Best, Eddie891 Talk Work 13:30, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --Andreas Philopater (talk) 13:35, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Why you have deleted the article
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonatala_Govt._Class_XII_School? Everything was ok. Please review it. Wikifulness (talk) 04:17, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, it was deleted as a result of Articles for deletion/Sonatala Govt. Class XII School, where the consensus was that the article failed our relevant notability guidelines (in this case GNG and NSCHOOL.) If this doesn't answer your question, please let me know. Best, Eddie891 Talk Work 14:08, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Your explanations for how to change a page to conform to your editing standards are clear as mud. So I wasn't too surprised when you deleted my favorite wikipedia article List of Death Valley Guest Stars. But some of your reasons are incorrect. I tried to fix the citations list to include the original episode as a source, but was unsuccessful. So indeed most of the citations were listed as merely IMDB re-cites. But I deleted most of the original cites whenever I had seen the original episode and posted a much better synopsis of the INTENT of the show. If you can give me access to the deleted page with better instructions on how to create a citation, I will endeavor to pick separate out the individual subsections (even though citing other characters' appearances in other episodes will then be problematic.) KEYWORD--Intent of the episode.YouRang? (talk) 19:12, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, . I didn’t delete this article because I didn’t like it or even because it didn’t conform to some arbitrary standards I have, but as a result of Articles for deletion/List of Death Valley Days guest stars, where the consensus was that the topic was not notable (specifically, it didn’t meet the guidelines WP:NOTDIR and WP:LISTN). See WP:AFD for an explanation on that process. If you need help with understanding our policies and notability guidelines, please ask at the teahouse.  If you think that my closure was incorrect, please follow the instructions at WP:DRV. I’m sorry that you think the instructions are confusing, but without your being more specific, I cannot really help you. Again, I’d highly recommend asking your questions about citations and notability at the teahouse, where there are many experienced users who can help you. Eddie891 Talk Work 22:31, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue Issue CLXXIII, September 2020
The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here. If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 12:53, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

How do you decide this one
Hello, no consensus? Are u kidding? This result is clearly kept. Well, how do you decide this one as no consensus? After relisted, has many “keep”!! Can you explain please! Dear Do you agree this decision? 136.228.172.221 (talk)|
 * Hi IP, I'm completely serious. The discussion hinged on what significant coverage actually means, as it often does, and there was not agreement on that. Many of the sources used to justify a keep !vote were already present in the article when the AFD started, meaning it wasn't a case where users who !voted delete didn't see the sources. There was substantial discussion about whether the sources were "trivial gossip" or not, and taking a look at them it was not a case of one user ignoring what is actually present in the articles (most of them are just listings of instagram posts). Functionally, arguments for both sides were equally valid. It doesn't matter how many people vote on one side, see WP:NOTAVOTE. 'No consensus' defaults back to 'keep'. If you disagree with my close, feel free to take it to WP:DRV. Eddie891 Talk Work 16:01, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Well well well, Why do you ignore Oleryhlolsson's arguments? Are your eyes blurred? 136.228.172.221 (talk) 16:06, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I read their arguments, and I read the arguments of the other side, and there was no consensus. If you feel my close was incorrect, please take it to Deletion review. Best, Eddie891 Talk Work 16:08, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * As I'm an experienced editor for four years, I noted AfD is WP:NOTAVOTE. However I don't understand really AfD is not based on editors' comments, so for what? It's just a waste of time IMO. However Thank you 136.228.172.221 (talk) 16:15, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I think we have wasted enough time on this. The 2nd AfD had virtually none Delete votes and not much debate either, so it was clear for the closing admin to close it as keep. This 3rd discussion had a broad debate, neither side could really convince the other side on their particular points of view, but neither could the various points of view be discharged as irellevant or the the users in question having misunderstood the basic rules of notability here on Wikipedia (en). Oleryhlolsson (talk) 18:51, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes sure! They took more time to close AfD than they needed and when the last delete argument was arrived, he then closed AfD as "No consensus". How easy😂. The article has been relisted on 2 Sep and  final closed on 11 Sep, is this fair? 136.228.175.119 (talk) 20:05, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Is life fair? Is the Universe fair? I don't know, but we have to learn to make the best of it. :-) Oleryhlolsson (talk) 20:14, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * IP, your baseless implication that I waited until there was another !vote to delete to close how I wanted to has no place here. I'm sorry that it took me several days to get to it-- there is a bit of a backlog at AFD right now. I'm fully capable of voting myself in situations that I think it would be more useful. For a third time, if you feel the close was incorrect, please take it to DRV. I stand by it-- but who knows, I certainly make mistakes. You will not get anywhere by casting aspersions on the competence of myself and . You would benefit from reading the comments of Oleryhlolsson above, I think. Best, Eddie891 Talk Work 21:15, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Legobot
Hi, I can't find how to notify GA nominators using Legobot. In fact, I can't find any instructions for the GA Bot. Can you guide me? --Whiteguru (talk) 23:48, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Legobot is currently down. You normally don't need to do anything. Hopefully when the toolforge is fixed (and I think it already has been) and the replication is down it'll pick up again. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 23:57, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

question about page deleted
hello, I saw you deleted the page Laurence de Valmy and I'm ok with that, I understand the reasons. I am not sure what salt means?. furthermore I have a question because you wrote "the consensus is that he is non-notable and will likely not become so." I do not recall that there was such a consensus. I agree for the first part (not notable), but who are we to make projections on the future? and also FYI the artist is a SHE not a HE. ;-)Souriredumatin (talk) 15:46, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, : Salting is (generally) used when a page on a topic that is considered to be non notable has been recreated. See WP:SALT for the guideline. It means protecting the page so that it cannot be created by most users (salt refers to Salting the earth). What I meant by "will likely not become so" is that there is not evidence she will become notable in the foreseeable future (as opposed to a political candidate who is likely to win an election or an athlete that will likely be drafted onto a professional team). Of course de Valmy can become notable in the future and I'm certainly not saying that she won't, just that she isn't notable right now and won't be unless something changes.
 * In the event that she does become notable, the page can still be created-- from the guideline: "Contributors wishing to re-create a salted title with appropriate content should either contact an administrator (preferably the protecting administrator), file a request at Requests for page protection, or use the deletion review process. To make a convincing case for re-creation, it is helpful to show a draft version of the intended article when filing a request." I've clarified this on the AFD, hopefully it makes more sense now. Once again, my apologies for being unclear. I've also corrected their gender--sorry about that as well. If you have any questions, of course feel free to ask. Best, Eddie891 Talk Work 16:35, 13 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Ok thanks for the clarification. It does make more sense now :-).Souriredumatin (talk) 19:39, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

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""10th New York National Guard"" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect &. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 14 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 17:22, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Milhist coordinator election voting has commenced
G'day everyone, voting for the 2020 Wikiproject Military history coordinator tranche is now open. This is a simple approval vote; only "support" votes should be made. Project members should vote for any candidates they support by 23:59 (UTC) on 28 September 2020. Thanks from the outgoing coord team, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:17, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

After a favour
Hi Eddie, many thanks for the MilHist vote, and for the exceedingly kind comments. I have, indeed, been considering you as a Wiki-buddy since at least when you switched the title of the Inspector general article. By way of revenge for your being so nice to me, I am going to ask you for a favour. I have a number of GANs up, and the longest one doesn't seem to be attracting reviewers. So, how busy are you? And how generous are you feeling? Do you fancy reviewing Punic Wars? Although I admit that it is a biggy at nearly 7,000 words? It could do with a decent GAN reviewer as I am hoping to fast track it to FAC. Being serious, if time or motivation don't permit, I entirely understand. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 23:03, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * : Oh dear. I'm afraid I simply can't not review this without feeling guilty. I'll do it... I'm never to busy to review your work! In all seriousness, two things 1) I really don't mind reviewing this 2) I may call upon you to review James Oglethorpe (Re-write in progress at User:Eddie891/Oglethorpe) as a favour-- I expect it to clock out at ~6-8k words. Don't worry as I understand you have the wikicup on-- It won't be done until November at least. Best, Eddie891 Talk Work 23:16, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions alert
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September
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October editathons from Women in Red
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Wahan Ke Log
Hi there, May I ask you to close the AfD for this page? I think the verdict is quite clear and I'd like to proceed with taking it to DYK. Shahid •  Talk 2 me  20:31, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Apologies,, I didn't see this until the afd is closed. Anyways, thanks for all the work you do! Eddie891 Talk Work 11:31, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Liam Mulhall
When can you take off the deletion request. Mulman82 (talk) 08:56, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

subject appears to meet WP:GNG thus far Mulman82 (talk) 11:23, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It will be closed when a consensus has been reached. see WP:CONSENSUS. The discussion was originally for seven days, each relist extends it by a further seven. So it could be closed as early as today, or as late as a week or two from now. It's hard to tell. Eddie891 Talk Work 11:33, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Thankyou Mulman82 (talk) 13:39, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

We need IJDK to go with DYK to explain some of our articles
- I Just Don't Know how there can be any justification in keeping that list - 20 strong deletes citing policy to 14 keeps citing guidelines is hardly "rough consensus" to keep, at least not in my book - especially in light of some of the keep comments calling the list trash, or admitting there's a rough consensus to delete. I just don't get it. Have you read what Professor Bryce Peake calls the “hegemony of the asshole consensus”? I think it broadly applies, even it doesn't quite fit, the term is hillarious! I hope you don't get discouraged and will keep up the good work knowing that your policy convictions are very much appreciated. 🍻 <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme Talk 📧 16:37, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi ! I don't really see it either, but I'm just about ready to move on. I had no idea this would turn out to be such a controversial topic and I don't intend to be active in the area going forward-- I'll stick to my uncontroversial soldiers and Women in Red, thank you very much :). That's a clever term and article BTW. I particularly like “We, the community are the souvereign [sic].”. It's also interesting the idea that [the community is] a Team Encarta stifling innovation in favor of ossification.I'm not really upset by the discussion-- I try to separate Wikipedia from life for exactly this reason. It's a good reminder that things don't always turn out how I'd like them to. Anyways, as we say in my home state, ever upwards. Thanks for all you do here as well. Best, Eddie891 Talk Work 17:23, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Jefferson Stein
What's the licensing on signatures, I wonder ……… AleatoryPonderings (talk) 22:53, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I really should copyright it, maybe start charging royalties? While I must admit it isn't the most creative sig in the whole world, that surely won't stop me. Honestly, I'm actually quite flattered they chose mine to mimic... Cheers, Eddie891 Talk Work 23:06, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Robert F. Utter
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Thanks
Did I thank you for the Copyeditor's barnstar? If I didn't, I should have, and so I do. Thank you. DuncanHill (talk) 00:00, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I cannot recall,, but thanks for your thanks either way :) ! I try and give barnstars out to those who deserve them -- I think we don't appreciate our editors enough, and you come right to mind as someone whose work I really appreciate and admire. Cheers, Eddie891 Talk Work 00:31, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

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Congratulations

 * Thanks Gog! Looks like a great, amply qualified tranche and I'm honored to serve in it. Best, Eddie891 Talk Work 16:26, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Muhammad Hassan Khan
A few hours after this AfD was posted, the creator moved the article back to draftspace. How should the AfD be closed and what should happen if the draft put into mainspace in its current state?  Username 6892 11:00, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * : I've never seen this happen, but in my opinion it should be restored to articlespace and draftification can be suggested there by the page creator. The AFD must reach a consensus before it can be implemented, once the discussion has been opened. Best, Eddie891 Talk Work 16:33, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

A cheeseburger (read: cheesesteak) for you!

 * Thanks, AP-- I'm more than happy to do it, and it's nice to hear you appreciated it, though it seems as though some of our other collaborators may not be quite as happy with it. Cheers, Eddie891 Talk Work 11:26, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you
I really appreciate you and your help. SusunW (talk) 16:20, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks ! I greatly appreciate all the work you do. Hopefully I'll get to review some of your articles in the upcoming GAN Backlog drive next month. Best, Eddie891 Talk Work 11:26, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That would be a lovely experience. Thanks! It's a pleasure to work with you, truly. SusunW (talk) 12:38, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

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Use of questionable sources in Red Terror (Spain)
Hello, I was wondering if you could take a look at the Red Terror (Spain) article, as I believe it requires some attention due to the use of outlier estimates from questionable sources, particularly, but not exclusively, the figures reported by César Vidal Manzanares and other sources that quote his works which are twice as high as the likely already inflated figures reported by the Francoist regime itself (61,000) and much higher than estimates by other conservative historians. It is true that finding a completely unbiased source on this matter is a lost cause, but I don't think it justifies the use of wild estimates by biased sources with a clear agenda, and should definitely not be on the infobox which is one of the first things a user will look at when opening the article, and probably not on Wikipedia at all. It appears these figures were already challenged by multiple users in the talk page as well, but either nothing was done or they were just added again.

Victims of the White Terror (Spain) has a similar problem, with the added bonus of failing to properly explain whether the figures shown are just from the civil war period or also include victims from the years of postwar repression. The White Terror (Spain) article itself also does not mention the postwar period. Oqwert (talk) 21:35, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'd really love to be able to help you out here, but I'm afraid I just have no idea what's going on in the area. Looking at the talk page, it seems there have been sporadic people mentioning that they feel the article is biased. Perhaps posting on the article talk page or the talk pages of users experienced in the area might allow you to get another opinion? Again, sorry, but I am not qualified to offer an opinion here. Best, Eddie891 Talk Work 22:06, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I doubt the talk page is of any help in a situation like this as the article doesn't really receive that much attention in the first place. I am not an eminence in history either, which is why I am hesitant to edit it myself, but I believe this article needs the attention of an actual historian(s) who can, at the very least, decide on what sources should be considered reliable enough to keep and what not by just getting rid of minority opinions that are not part of the common scholarly discourse. I am trying to look for someone with more knowledge in the area but I am having a hard time with it. Thanks, Oqwert (talk) 22:43, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

peyman keshavarzi nazarloo
hello. you said in RFU, the topic fails WP:GNG ! but i explained above that the article is Notable according to WP:NFOOTY (part two).He played in two Profesional league in Iran Pro League (Iran) and Azerbaijan Premier League (Azerbaijan)..when footballer plays in professional league he becomes notable, that's explicit. The Afd (Articles for deletion/Peyman Keshavarz) you said was for banned users creation and not for me (i don't know about this problem until 2 days ago). i created my own article and it's like my other works : Mostafa Aghajani & Mohammad Ali Kazemi & Kamal Nikkhoui ...I don't have a deleted article in my 80 works..please help to undelete. Best--Mojtaba2361 (talk) 15:09, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, . As I mentioned at the REFUND request, the consensus was that GNG is met. SNGs, such as NFOOTY, only serve to indicate that a person/thing is likely to meet GNG, in most cases. I think you might find that barely scraping by NFOOTY (which is one of our more permissive SNGs) is not sufficient for notability. However, if you still wish to recreate the article, you can request at WP:DRV. I do think that 's G4 deletion of your article might not be correct as G4 only applies when the pages are substantially identical, which doesn't seem to have been the case here. I'd be interested in their thoughts on the matter. Best, Eddie891 Talk Work 21:53, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The issue here is that the topic has been deleted by AFD, and also repeatedly deleted at numerous locations (now SALTed - Peyman Keshavarzi nazarloo, Peyman Keshavarzi Nazarloo, Peyman Keshavarzi and Peyman Keshavarz) due to G4/G5. I saw nothing at Mojtaba2361's version that would suddenly make it notable. GiantSnowman 21:55, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Exactly Eddie. My word is this too. I don't know what was older version (i can't access that because i'm not admin). I done my own work on article like my others (see the examples above). please notice WP:NFOOTY clearly says, only one match play in professional league becomes footballer notable and there is no difference between persons for same job (Area) : ''Players who have played, and managers who have managed, in a competitive game between two teams from fully professional leagues will generally be regarded as notable. See a list of fully professional leagues kept by WikiProject Football.'' ″Peyman Keshavarzi Nazarloo″ has played in both Azerbaijan Premier League and Persian Gulf Pro League that are in WP:FPL (matches link's above) and even he scored on 21 August 2020. I'm sure about that, and i don't have a deleted article in 80 creation. wp:salt has a solution: if an article create in a correct edition (by confirmed user) and it be survive, we can get rid of repeatedly creation by banned users. that's important point. now the article has Require administrator access that's another problem (too high for this). Please help me to undelete it. Best--Mojtaba2361 (talk) 03:38, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , The way to move forward from here and request that your page is undeleted is to file a request at deletion review explaining essentially what you explained here. I feel my closure of the AFD was correct, and that's where my involvement in the article ends. Best, Eddie891 Talk Work 15:10, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

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Hi (arenas)
Sorry for reverting the 4 Romanian arenas, but 1 is under construction and 3 are the largest projects in the country. I was opening only when they had the CNI (government/ministry) contract. Since we have this category of proposed arenas, please equality or all. It does not matter it is the US or Romania, moreover these are big projects and expensive. If anything happens, but it has not happened in the last years, I will personally request their deletions. Ok? Mark my words, mate! TOOSOON does not even anyway refer to that, but to films and biographies. It is an interpretation that many users still make wrong, although we have categories for, since we have categories of arenas under construction and even proposed arenas. Please a gesture of goodwill and understanding! Rostadia2012 (talk • contribs) 10:53, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Congratulations from the Military History Project
Thanks! Eddie891 Talk Work 11:58, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Deletion review for Peyman Keshavarzi Nazarloo
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Peyman Keshavarzi Nazarloo. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Mojtaba2361 (talk) 21:01, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Deprodding of James Arthur Williams (professor)
I have removed the tag from James Arthur Williams (professor), which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think this article should be deleted, please do not add back to the page. Instead, feel free to list it at Articles for deletion. Thanks!  Walwal20  talk ▾ contribs 16:21, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I have sent it to AfD to achieve consensus.  Walwal20  talk ▾ contribs 01:26, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

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DYK for Drinking fountains in Philadelphia
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Deletion review for Rajeev Jha
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXIV, October 2020
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A Barnstar for you!

 * Thanks a lot, ! I had better get to writing some more! Cheers-- Eddie891 Talk Work 18:05, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of O Captain! My Captain!
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DYK nomination of This Dust Was Once the Man
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Your GA nomination of O Captain! My Captain!
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October harvest
Thank you for article work! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

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Nabiyah Be
Hi, I don't talk in English (only in Portuguese) so... Sorry for my mistakes...

You create the redirect Nabiyah Be to Black Panther, but she is now in the cast of Daisy Jones & The Six. Also she is daughter of Jimmy Cliff and have a singer and actress career in Bahia, Brazil (see: pt:Nabiyah Be). Thanks to edite in the article. André Koehne (talk) 19:56, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Me, again! She is in the cast of Hadestown Off-Broadway (2016) and wins a special Drama Desk Award for his player in School Girl (also Off-Broadway) in 2018! (see IBDB). Thanks! André Koehne (talk) 01:26, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adam Beattie
I disagree with your close decision on Articles for deletion/Adam Beattie. As I noted in the discussion, WP:BIO states under Additional Criteria: "People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards. Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included." WP:POL then follows below this, so passing WP:POL is not conclusive. Your close decision reinforces the misinterpretation of WP:POL as being a guideline, which it is not, Beattie lacks SIGCOV in multiple RS and so fails WP:GNG. Mztourist (talk) 05:27, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * NPOL is a subject notability guideline so saying the misinterpretation of WP:POL as being a guideline, which it is not is incorrect. The weight of consensus was against your opinion for several reasons: 1) the initial 'delete' !votes only discussed the person in context of SOLDIER and GNG, but at the end of the day statements along the lines of no real indication of notability don't carry much weight when others substantiate real indications of notability. 2) After Hawkeye noted that he passed POL, six people !voted to 'keep' and not one voted to delete, though you did not change your opinion. This suggests that consensus had shifted from 'delete' to 'keep', if a weak one. 3) WP:POLOUTCOMES suggests that Elected and appointed political figures at the national cabinet level are generally regarded as notable, as are usually those at the major sub-national level (US state, Canadian province, Japanese prefecture, etc.) in countries where executive and/or legislative power is devolved to bodies at that level. See WP:POLITICIAN. which was the case here.At the end of the day the consensus to me suggested a keep, if a weak one, and 'weak keep' is still keep. You could argue for a 'no consensus' outcome, but I cannot see a scenario in which this could be closed as outright delete without blatantly supervoting. If you still feel my decision was incorrect, you are welcome to take it to WP:DRV. Best, Eddie891 Talk Work 12:14, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * on second thought, I've reverted my closure for someone else to close. I did, after all, promise not to close controversial discussions about NPOL for a little bit at my RFA. Cheers, Eddie891 Talk Work 15:44, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Noted thanks. Where is is stated that NPOL is a subject notability guideline? As I pointed out above NPOL sits under Additional Criteria of WP:BIO and so is subject to its limiting wording. Similarly even WP:POLOUTCOMES has limiting wording "are generally regarded as notable, as are usually those at the major sub-national level", so passing WP:POL is not an automatic pass on notability, particularly as here when only one reference is provided. Mztourist (talk) 04:00, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Notable once, notable forever?
Hello, this is a comment / question regarding something you left on a deletion update last week. You basically said if someone reaches notablity once in their life, they remain notable forever? I was wondering if that is a Wikipedia Policy, or just your personal view on it? It seems highly questionable to me, as I can think of many situations where notability could be fairly temporary or transient, depending on the context. For instance, being a search engine programmer at Alta Vista 20 years ago would seem highly notable at the time, because they were the biggest search engine then, but yet would not seem very notable today at all. The employee would just be some person who worked at a search company some time ago. Reminds me of the running gag about Al Bundy scoring 4 touchdowns in an important High School football game... the joke being: It was notable then, but, of course, not later on in life. Danihan (talk) 01:53, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, It's absolutely Wikipedia guideline, see WP:NTEMP; Notability is not temporary; once a topic has been the subject of "significant coverage" in accordance with the general notability guideline, it does not need to have ongoing coverage.. We have specific clarifications to the guideline, such as WP:BLP1E, for people who only gained coverage for one event and other things, like WP:NOT for what Wikipedia is not. However, someone who was a search engine programmer at Alta Vista or scored four touchdowns in a high school football game wouldn't necessarily be 'notable' on Wikipedia, they would have to meet the notability guideline. That's why saying "They were notable ten years ago" is probably not what users were trying to say in the AFD, what they were trying to say is "they got some coverage ten years ago, but it wasn't [lasting or significant or something else or spread out enough] to make them notable", but of course admins cannot imagine what users are trying to say, just interpret what they are saying. Some of this may come from the difference between 'notability' as we see it on Wikipedia (whether a given topic warrants its own article) and something being 'notable' outside of Wikipedia being worthy of notice, having fame, or being considered to be of a high degree of interest, significance, or distinction. Hopefully this clarifies somewhat. Cheers -- Eddie891 Talk Work 02:09, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

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Will work for GAN reviews
Hi Eddie. I note that you are on a bit of a GAN review binge. In case you are looking for another, Battle of Utica, a nice short 1,600 words, is looking for a reviewer. If you fancy it I am hoping to get it wrapped up by month's end for the wikiCup. If you are already overloaded then, obviously, no problem. Cheers. Gog the Mild (talk) 23:37, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * : I should get to it by tomorrow. Cheers, Eddie891 Talk Work 23:41, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Lor' bless you squire. Gog the Mild (talk) 23:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

November edit-a-thons from Women in Red
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Friedrich Ritter von Röth GAN
Hello,

I believe I have addressed your concerns. You made some excellent suggestions, which were a great help to improving the article. Please check it again, to see if it now passes GAN.

Many thanks.Georgejdorner (talk) 22:12, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of O Captain! My Captain!
The article O Captain! My Captain! you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:O Captain! My Captain! for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hog Farm -- Hog Farm (talk) 23:41, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eddie Chong
Would you please explain to me why you said this AfD discussion had minimal participation when 5 editors voted to delete the article and none voted to keep it? I've never seen a soft deletion with this number of editors before. Papaursa (talk) 01:21, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * yeah, it was a mis-click. My bad. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Cheers, Eddie891 Talk Work 01:37, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Do you have any experience writing articles about books?
I do not have any prior experience writing articles about books, but I've written three in the last two days: The Collapse of Price's Raid, Price's Lost Campaign: The 1864 Invasion of Missouri, and The South's Finest. I think they're all notable (three or more review in RS each), but I'm not entirely sure of how great of quality these are. Do you have the experience to judge if these are an okay job or not? Only Price's Lost Campaign is something I feel comfortable putting up for GAN, and The South's Finest is in a situation where it's a book article where the author, publisher, and subject are all redlinks (!). Since you're an admin, feel free to yank my autopatrolled right if I'm screwing these up too much. Hog Farm Bacon 02:17, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, I've looked over your articles and they look quite good to me on the whole. The most recent book article I put together is quite pathetic (The War Lovers) and I keep meaning to expand it but never get around to it, so I can't lie and say that it's my area of expertise. I agree the articles you've written are certainly notable, so will let you keep autopatrolled (for now :P). I think you can afford to split some paragraphs up-- long paragraphs in a short article hurt my attention span, mostly. Wikipedia is woefully lacking in its overall coverage of books, as well as poetry (as I've found looking into Whitman), so thanks for these fine contributions. On the whole, I'd say that Price's Lost Campaign is probably pretty close to GA quality. Something is a bit off with the tenses in the articles, I think, (i.e. in Price's Lost Campaign you write The book discusses [...] became known to posterity [...]which Lause viewed) I think it's mostly because brain wants it to be in present tense ("Lause views") but I'm not positive what's correct.I want to give each a copyedit, but I want to sleep more, so for now just know that on the whole your work is very nice and much appreciated. (PS: I really could see you in a position to yank user rights yourself in the foreseeable future) Cheers, Eddie891 Talk Work 02:44, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking a look at these. I'll give a copy edit run tomorrow afternoon (also need sleep), while I listen to the Kansas City Chiefs on my computer (the university I attend no longer gets any form of television, so the online radio it is). Hog Farm Bacon 04:02, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – November 2020
News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2020).

Administrator changes
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Arbitration
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 * The Anti-harassment RfC has concluded with a summary of the feedback provided.

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Dali (goddess)
Hi Eddie, just checking that you know that there is still an FAC in need of a blurb. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:00, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, to be honest I had no idea. Adam had taken point this month but seems to have moved on. Anyways, I added a pretty standard blurb, thanks for letting me know. What would Wikipedia do without you? Cheers, Eddie891 Talk Work 17:40, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I am sure that it would manage to bumble along somehow! Gog the Mild (talk) 18:05, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

The Signpost: 1 November 2020
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WikiCup 2020 November newsletter
The 2020 WikiCup has come to an end, with the final round going down to the wire. Our new Champion is, the runner-up last year, who was closely followed by. In the final round, Lee achieved 4 FAs and 30 GAs, mostly on cue sport topics, while Gog achieved 3 FAs and 15 GAs, mostly on important battles and wars, which earned him a high number of bonus points. was in third place with 4 FAs and 8 GAs on football topics, with close behind with 19 GAs and 16 DYK's, his interest being the buildings of New York.

The other finalists were, , and. The final round was very productive, and besides 15 FAs, contestants achieved 75 FAC reviews, 88 GAs and 108 GAN reviews. Altogether, Wikipedia has benefited greatly from the activities of WikiCup competitors all through the contest. Well done everyone!

All those who reached the final will receive awards and the following special awards will be made, based on high performance in particular areas of content creation. So that the finalists do not have an undue advantage, these prizes are awarded to the competitor who scored the highest in any particular field in a single round, or in the event of a tie, to the overall leader in this field.


 * wins the featured article prize, for a total of 14 FAs during the course of the competition.
 * win the featured list prize, for 5 FLs in round 4.
 * wins the featured picture prize, for 3 FPs in round 3 and 5 overall.
 * wins the featured article reviewer prize, for 23 FAC reviews in round 5.
 * wins the good article prize, for 45 GAs in round 2 and 113 overall.
 * wins the topic prize, for 33 articles in good topics in round 2.
 * wins the good article reviewer prize, for 100 good article reviews in round 2.
 * wins the DYK prize, for 22 Did you know articles in round 4 and 94 overall.
 * wins the ITN prize, for 63 In the news articles in round 4 and 136 overall.

Next year's competition will begin on 1 January. You are invited to sign up to participate; the WikiCup is open to all Wikipedians, both novices and experienced editors, and we hope to see you all in the 2021 competition. Until then, it only remains to once again congratulate our worthy winners, and thank all participants for their involvement! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13, Sturmvogel 66, Vanamonde and Cwmhiraeth MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:37, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Off-topic ramble
I know you've been involved in the signpost, so I figure that maybe you think about such things like I do. I was on an admin's talk page the other day, and saw the admin newsletters, and was surprised to see there's been a loss of 17 admins in about the last three months. Special:Statistics says there's 1,123 admins yet, but if enwiki keeps bleeding sysops at this pace, how long is that sustainable? I'm not of the Predictions of the end of Wikipedia type, but this gives me pause. My first job was a food service place with 75% employee turnover, and I went from being the new guy to like #7 in seniority in about 2 months. I've only been around about a year, so I don't know if the admin burning is a normal cyclical thing that will balance out, or if this is a discouraging trend. Hog Farm Bacon 04:06, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, this is an interesting question, one that there has probably been a decent sized library of prose written on. My general opinion is "yes, we need more admins, but the world isn't ending just yet".Let me take you through it: Desysoppings by month is perhaps the most relevant graph, and you can see that admin numbers have been declining since activity requirements were instituted in 2011. So in that sense, as Wikipedia has ever increasing numbers of articles, the numbers of admins are not rising in proportion to match. Yes, that's concerning. Also since 2011, the number of monthly RFAs has plummeted, as a result of decreasing (now relatively stabilized) numbers of editors and increasing standards for admins (which isn't wholly a bad thing until people start to consider it 'requests for sainthood'). is probably the person to go to if you want more on statistics. However, as much as I would love to miraculously have hundreds of new admins, we aren't quite in the direst possible straits. The number of active admins has remained relatively constant at right around 500 active admins for quite a while now, and we aren't exactly drowning in backlogs that need more admins to address them. So yes, we need more admins, and yes we might run out eventually, but Wikipedia ain't going anywhere for the foreseeable future. I'm also not the most qualified person to talk about this, and my advice would be to encourage people not to be afraid to run for adminship (my RFA was pretty un-stressful), but that's my 2c. Cheers, Eddie891 Talk Work 16:09, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Eddie and, it's an interesting and slightly complex one. I have been monitoring it for over a decade now at Wikipedia:RFA_by_month and yes there was a huge dropoff at RFA in early 2008 after the unbundling of Rollback. At the time this was a really big deal, now any experienced editor can install Twinkle etc and revert vandalism at speed. Since then there have been more unbundlings, file mover and template editor come to mind. So some of the dropoff is because there were people who needed part of the toolset that used to be admin only. Part is that each unbundling removes another "need for the tools". But the unbundling of rollback didn't unbundle "block vandal" we still need admins to do that, we just have an expectation at RFA that all new Admins since early 2008 have to show contributions to the pedia as well as an ability to spot vandalism - if you look at RFAs in 2007 you will see people passing on the basis of being a "good vandalfighter", since then you'd also need to prove you have added verified content, though standards vary on this, a couple of DYKs would likely be enough for an otherwise qualified candidate to scrape through, an FA and you could get 100%. We have appointed less than 250 admins in the last ten years. But when it comes to retention, we have lucked out. We have about 500 "active" admins and over 1100 in total out of 2194 successful RFAs. We also have a steady trickle of returnees from among our retired admins. With the project being less than 20 years old it is too early to really work out the longterm retention of admins. We have adolescents who passed RFA thirteen years ago who have already been an admin more than half their life. Can we keep their interest for another sixty years? I and many other oldsters will be long dead before some of our youngest admins reach retirement age, and we don't know if retirement from their day job will see them return to greater activity as an admin. Nowadays I am more concerned at the Wikigeneration divide than I am about potentially running out of admins. A decade ago I wrote a signpost article about the Wikigeneration divide - over 90% of admins at that point had first edited at least three and half years earlier and 800 were active. Now it is more like 95% of admins first edited over ten years ago and 500 are active. I'm no longer hugely worried about the declining numbers of admins, if we don't fix RFA we will eventually appoint a large batch of poorly scrutinised candidates, most of whom will do fine. I am concerned about the wiki generation divide as I don't think it is healthy for the community to have such an imbalance, especially given the size of the community - six years after the 2014 nadir, and editing levels are still higher than they were in 2014, 2020 is more like 2012.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  17:44, 3 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Something that comes to find on this topic that I personally find funny in a sad way is related to the recent Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:User wikipedia/Administrator someday, where a userbox was suggested as being deprecated or marked as humor or deleted as a trap, while Advice for RfA candidates, which is prominently linked in several places recommends using the template. I personally find it funny that we're prominently linking an essay that includes advice that a large numbers of users think is terrible.  And sorry for being so rambling/chatty, I'm on quarantine and I have way too much time to think, sort of like how I used last night to study the polls and spend over an hour predicting the results of all 435 House sets up for election tonight. Hog Farm Bacon 17:19, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * yeah, it's rather boring over here as well. I've never understood why we discourage people from even wanting to be administrators sometime in the future-- If they stick around long enough to pass, does it matter whether they 'want' it or not? I'd say no. I think there's this idea that the best admin is a reluctant admin, and that's probably somewhat true, but it's really because we make going through an RFA a generally miserable process (with a few exceptions) so that anyone who knows enough to be qualified doesn't want to run. While I joined, I wanted to become an admin ASAP, but quickly forgot about it once I realized how Wikipedia worked, and was incredibly suprised when people started asking me to run like this past March. But everyone's path on Wikipedia is different. Yes, I'm following the election as well, although admittedly not quite that closely :P Eddie891 Talk Work 17:25, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * We should remove that recommendation. Not that I agree with those who look down on users of that template, but given that some look down on its users, it doesn't help. Better to encourage people who are interested in adminship to read some nominators nomination criteria, and email them when they meet or are close to meeting those criteria. One of the sad things at RFA is that many who do run pass by acclamation, and if they'd run a year earlier might still have passed, but with a bit more feedback.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  17:52, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Eddie, I'd say yours was low-stress due to overqualification. I've noticed at RFAs that a lot of its either very high supports (such as yours), or very high opposes (I bet I could rack up about a 90% oppose percentage, assuming it got left up longer than about 3 hours before WP:SNOW kicked in).  To me, it seems to suggest that that there's some very high quality candidates out there, and getting ones who would get overall community approval to run would be the key.  Well, I guess I'd better actually start working on my systems management homework, as RFA theory is both above my competence grade and not area that really involves me. Hog Farm Bacon 22:04, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for This Dust Was Once the Man
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Your GA nomination of This Dust Was Once the Man
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Revision deletion request
Would you be willing to revdel the original revision of File:Shenandoah 1862 Cozzens book cover.png? I've since cropped some white space from one side of the file, and since it's a fair use file, the unused old revision will need revision deletion, I believe. Hog Farm Bacon 18:22, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * : ✅, I think. Let me know if I've messed anything up. Image copyright ain't exactly by best subject. Eddie891 Talk Work 19:19, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It needed deleted for copyright purposes, and that's about all I know.  You did it right. There's probably somewhere centrally where such requests can be placed, but I have no idea where that would be. Hog Farm Bacon 19:20, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of This Dust Was Once the Man
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Regarding Talk:Alexis Texas/GA1
Hello Eddie. In the GA Drive page, I just saw you marked as "quick-fail was not of sufficient length". So what more things could have been added? I want to know/learn for future reviews. <b style="border:1px solid black"> <b style="color:#FF0000">Saha</b> ❯❯❯ <b style="color:#0043AF"> Stay safe  </b> </b> 05:44, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, . Your quick fail itself was a fine call, and I'd generally agree was the right one, but I just couldn't give it credit for the drive. Because we give credit for almost every review conducted, it's hard to ensure balance between reviewing a 6000 word article thoroughly and giving a paragraph summary of a quick-fail (they both get one point). See also the criteria for the drive, specifically #4 (Only reviews of a sufficient quality will be counted; quick fails and very short reviews may not be given credit.). I was pretty lenient with enforcing this, but drew the line here. To give credit in that specific review, I would have liked to see some more detail about why you were quick-failing it (i.e. why is the cleanup banner "unquestionably still valid"? What steps could the nominators have taken to address it? Were there any other problems or could the article pass with some hard work?) Also, failing because of an AFD is justifiable, but the AFD in question was only open for another day. Why not wait until the discussion was closed to open a review? So, your quick-fail was a fine call for reviewing, but unfortunately not for the drive. Feel free to ask for clarification here, or to ask one of the other co-ordinators for a second opinion.  That's not to say that your contributions are in any way 'bad', 'wrong', or 'invalid'. I really appreciate your participation in the drive and all the work you do on Wikipedia. All the best and keep up the good work -- Eddie891 Talk Work 19:56, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok. I will keep it in mind while reviewing in future. thanks a lot. <b style="border:1px solid black"> <b style="color:#FF0000">Saha</b> ❯❯❯ <b style="color:#0043AF">  Stay safe  </b> </b> 07:35, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Neba Lawrence
Greetings, Sir Eddie.

I want to ask for a favour... May I have the deleted page whose name appears on the heading returned to me as a draft? I will be most grateful. Kambai Akau (talk) 21:53, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that the consensus in that AFD discussion was to 'delete' unanimously, so I'm not willing to restore it to your draftspace (see WP:No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability). If you feel my decision was incorrect, feel free to ask for it to be reviewed at WP:DRV. If it's the content of the article you're after, you can find it saved at the wayback machine or I'd be happy to email you a copy. Best wishes, Eddie891 Talk Work 00:01, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Featured lists in the Signpost featured content report
Think next month we should try to link image to list a bit more explicitly. It's a little hard to figure out which list some of them go to, especially as they're not in the same order. We should have more time next month, at least, I'd hope (should we push back the cutoff to November 10th or so, to give more lead time? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.7% of all FPs 19:38, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Whatever works for you, Adam. Agreed about the images, I'll try to have them captioned before the day before publication so I have time to think about it. Let me know what works best and I'll try to keep up. Cheers, Eddie891 Talk Work 19:43, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I've started it up to the end of October. I think if we try to get it done as early as possible, we have time to rearrange things until it makes the most sense. For example, we could probably have rearranged featured articles to put a more regular number of articles without images after each one with an image (determined by whether we had a good image for that article; always going to be some with much less relevant images), and the same can be done in featured lists if few enough have an image. But polish takes time. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.7% of all FPs 21:36, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Just to warn, if you want to join in, you might want to do so soon. I've been racing through the report. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.7% of all FPs 07:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

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Non-war deaths marked by CWGC gravestones
I just left a note on the Fabian Ware talk page (thanks for moving what I said here to there). It was only a brief holding reply to what you said there. I am popping back here because I have just realised that Fabian Ware is an example of a non-war death marked by a CWGC gravestone or other memorial (or in some cases burial in a CWGC cemetery). There are two other instances I am aware of. The first I only found recently: Claude Auchinleck (Second World War, Indian Army) who is buried in Ben M'Sik European Cemetery. I wasn't sure if his gravestone was a CWGC design, but from the pictures here it looks like it is. And the epitaph is, would you believe it, a quote from Chaucer! "He never yet no vileinye ne sayde [...] He was a verray parfit gentil knight". Or maybe that quote is one used more often on gravestones than I was aware of. Frustratingly, I can't find a source to add it to the article! The second example is actually only the scattering of ashes, see this plaque. I am going to have to see if there are other examples now! Carcharoth (talk) 04:46, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

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Eddie891, good work closing WP:Articles for deletion/Somaya Ramadan. Have a cup of coffee on me.  JGHowes   talk  19:14, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, ! Glad to hear I'm getting some things right ! Thanks for all the work you do, particularly that cup of coffee. Cheers, Eddie891 Talk Work 22:43, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Fabian Ware scheduled for TFA
This is to let you know that Fabian Ware has been scheduled as WP:TFA for 11 November 2020. Please check that the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Today's featured article/November 11, 2020. Thanks! Ealdgyth (talk) 14:22, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you today for the article, introduced: "Fabian Ware was fascinating. He went through three careers, first as a high level colonial educator, then editor of The Morning Post and finally as the founder and de facto CEO of the Imperial War Graves Commission. Gibson & Ward (1989) write that "There are many human beings who have made their mark in history, but none other has left such a profound and lasting memorial to mankind's sacrifice on behalf of democracy as has this remarkable Englishman"."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:58, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Gerda! Eddie891 Talk Work 12:12, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * look for bright memories --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:20, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for article work in November! Look today at BB music, a little crusade of mine ;) - his birthday on St Cecilia's day, patron saint of music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:54, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks Gerda, very nice work with the music, on a very fitting day. Eddie891 Talk Work 22:45, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of Equistone Partners Europe page on 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Eddie891, as the user responsible for deleting the "Equistone Partners Europe" article, I am getting in touch to request that you recreate the article. I wish to declare that I am an Equistone employee. I believe the company should be on Wikipedia as it is a significant private equity firm that invests hundreds of millions of euros annually in mid-market companies in the UK and Continental Europe. Its investments and divestments are frequenly report in the media and its senor executives are regular participants in conferences and other financial services events. According to Private Equity International, a leading media outlet covering the private equity industry globally, Equistone ranks in the top 300 largest private equity firms by capital. There is a lot of information on the company which can be sourced from reliable sources. As a starting point, please note that there is already a German language page for "Equistone Partners Europe", Titled Equistone. This page briefly but accurately gives an overview of the company, using reliable sources as references, there is also a WikiCorporate page about the company, titled "Equistone LLP". This page also references reliable sources with information about Equistone Partners Europe. In addition, Equistone Partners Europe is referenced on the list of "private equity firms" Wikipedia article. The first is also referenced in the following Wikipedia articles about the businesses that Equistone previously owned: AstroTurf, Audley Travel, The Mill, Global Blue, Novares Group, Long Tall Sally, Spectris, Travel Counsellors, Allied Glass, Easynet, Coventya, Albingia.

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I am happy to share more information on the companies Equistone has invested in if that is helpful as well as external links to references? Please do let me know if you have any concerns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BarbaraHand
 * Hi, Barbara. I'm afraid that I won't be restoring this directly to the mainspace, as it was deleted after a deletion discussion, where the consensus was that it does not meet our general notability guideline or the specific guideline for corporations. I'm willing to consider giving my informal permission to recreate the article through articles for creation as a draft, where it can be reviewed before being moved into the mainspace. While you don't need my permission, it is really the best way to go about things. For your first step, I'd appreciate seeing what reliable sources provide significant coverage of the company, establishing notability. Then I'll be able to better advise you on how to move forward. However, you need to be sure that at all times you follow our guidelines (carefully) about managing conflicts of interest (see also: the plain and simple conflict of interest guide, WP:DISCLOSE and WP:PAID (if you are being paid as an employee)) and also keep in mind that as a directly connected contributor, you probably aren't the best person to write this article. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 23:46, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of This I Remember
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A Barnstar for you!

 * Thank you very much, ! It's turned into a pretty rewarding project. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:12, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for O Captain! My Captain!
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Jakiw Palij
Greetings. Why do you believe that the criterion for "referencing and citation" for the article Jakiw Palij is not met? No part of the text is unsupported by references and citations. -The Gnome (talk) 23:02, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi,, the article currently cites Bild, which per WP:RSP is not a reliable source. Cheers, Eddie891 Talk Work 23:05, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

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Not sure if this is out-of-process or not, but ...
Could you handle my WP:RFPP request for Landis's Missouri Battery? It's on the main page, it's getting vandalized the heck out of it, and rfpp is getting backlogged. I'm at work today, do I can't really effectively monitor it myself. Hog Farm Bacon 21:09, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Semi-protected for a day. Cheers, Eddie891 Talk Work 21:25, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Hog Farm Bacon 23:15, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Sydney D. Bailey
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Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 18
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 * Cscr-featured.svg SD0001's W-Ping is this month's featured script


 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg Sportzpikachu's bookmarks adds a bookmarks section to the navigation toolbar
 * SD0001's deleted-metadata-link.js adds links to the deletedrevisions API output for deleted pages
 * SD0001's GAN-helper makes it easier to create a GAN nomination.
 * 1234qwer1234qwer4's XfDstarted scripts add links to today's XfD log pages to the personal toolbar
 * Awesome Aasim's rcpatrol is a tool that can be used to patrol recent changes, including reverting edits and warning users
 * A new JavaScript snippet, MediaWiki:AFC-add-project-tags.js, can be used to add WikiProject tags to drafts at WikiProject Articles for creation/Add WikiProject tags without actually needing to install a user script.
 * Nardog's PlayAudioNow makes audio links playable while staying on the page, regardless of the format
 * GeneralNotability's ip-ext-info.js adds extended info on IPs in a popup with their range, ASN, and ISP
 * TheTVExpert's submitRMTR adds a button to Special:MovePage to submit a technical request at Requested moves/Technical requests
 * TheTVExpert's rmCloser helps with closing and relisting requested moves.
 * Enterprisey's parsoid-round-trip uses Parsoid to convert wikitext to HTML and back, and then shows the result and the difference between the original wikitext and the post-conversion wikitext.
 * Frietjes's infoboxgap assists in renumbering infobox labels/data/classes, so that a new line can be inserted in the middle of the infobox.

Pending requests
 * A request for a script to help with maintaining the lists of vital articles
 * A request for a script to make it easier to archive specific list entries, rather than whole discussion sections
 * ...and many more, all available at User scripts/Requests




 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Twinkle has made a number of improvements, including using a change tag to identify actions made with it and automatically filing edit requests for protected XfD nominations.
 * SD0001's shortdescs-in-category is now compatible with scripts modifying category listings, such as Equazcion's CatListMainTalkLinks
 * GhostInTheMachine's TalkHelper2 is a newer version of their prior script, TalkHelper
 * GeneralNotability's spihelper updated to 2.2.10, fixing a number of small bugs, automatically tagging globally locked socks as such in the sockpuppet template, and restoring open cases following an SPI history merge.
 * Enterprisey's script-installer gadget has been updated with more internationalization of messages, as well as addition of a user preference,  to allow controlling where new scripts are to be installed.

Open tasks
 * Enterprisey is looking for beta testers for their new section-watchlist user script. See the announcement.

Miscellaneous
 * The second edition of the m:Coolest Tool Award will be taking place in December.
 * Enterprisey's links-in-logs script has now been implemented as part of MediaWiki core, see 640761 and T207562.

My apologies for the delayed issue. As always, if anyone else would like to contribute, help is appreciated. Stay safe, --DannyS712 (talk) 18:20, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

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Four Awards
Hi Eddie891, I couldn't help but notice that you passed all the pending Four Award nominations apart from mine and wondered whether this was because there is some sort of problem with it. Best regards --Ykraps (talk) 18:58, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * : no, nothing wrong with it, I just didn't get around to it on that sweep-- processing four awards takes an absurd amount of time (at least for me). There are silly rules about articles created from redirects and how you have to write the first encyclopedic content on the topic that are kinda complicated, which is why I didn't review yours of the open nominations. Sorry about that, and I hope it's not too upsetting. So I'm not aware of any problems with yours. Do feel free to reach out to one of the reviewers listed here if you want a prompt review, otherwise I (or someone else) will be sure to get it on the next pass through. Cheers, Eddie891 Talk Work 20:38, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I don't mind being patient; just wanted to make sure there wasn't anything that disqualified it.--Ykraps (talk) 21:38, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Pacific Salmon War
Hello You reverted my edit adding of an external links section and some templates; I put the section in, as it was my understanding templates should go in an external links section; and I put the templates in because I was adding the page to them. Which I have now done. Do you object to my replacing the section? Xyl 54 (talk) 23:28, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't mind at all! Sorry about that. Eddie891 Talk Work 23:33, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah! I just went to do this, and see you've already done it: Thanks! Regards, Xyl 54 (talk) 01:27, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Reverting explanation
Why did you revert my explanation of the AWB edit at VP Policy? VanIsaacWS<sup style="margin-left:-3.0ex">cont 03:31, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, looks like it was an error you fixed. VanIsaacWS<sup style="margin-left:-3.0ex">cont 03:36, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-50
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 * Information from Wikidata that is used on a wiki page can be shown in recent changes and watchlists on a Wikimedia wiki. To see this you need to turn on showing Wikidata edits in your watchlist in the preferences. Changes to the Wikidata description in the language of a Wikimedia wiki will then be shown in recent changes and watchlists. This will not show edits to languages that are not relevant to your wiki.
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In appreciation

 * Thanks, ! It's nice to hear that my reviews don't go entirely to waste (sometimes I imagine collective groans when I embark to review someone's article :P) I've only recently decided I'm competent to semi-regularly review content at a level higher than GA, so you should be seeing more of me around the FA-sphere. Hope all is well with you &mdash; stay safe and healthy and enjoy whatever holidays you may celebrate (no matter how strange the news may get!). All the best, Eddie891 Talk Work 21:15, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , the mind boggles! Your reviews are good Eddie. More of them at FAC would be most welcome. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:18, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Nominations for the 2020 Military history WikiProject Newcomer and Historian of the Year awards now open
G'day all, the nominations for the 2020 Military history WikiProject newcomer and Historian of the Year are open, all editors are encouraged to nominate candidates for the awards before until 23:59 (GMT) on 15 December 2020, after which voting will occur for 14 days. There is not much time left to nominate worthy recipients, so get to it! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:45, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

New Page Patrol December Newsletter
Hello ,



It has been a productive year for New Page Patrol as we've roughly cut the size of the New Page Patrol queue in half this year. We have been fortunate to have a lot of great work done by who was the reviewer of the most pages and redirects this past year. Thanks and credit go to and  who join Rosguill in repeating in the top 10 from last year. Thanks to, , and who all got the NPR permission this year and joined the top 10. Also new to the top ten is DannyS712 bot III, programmed by which has helped to dramatically reduce the number of redirects that have needed human patrolling by patrolling certain types of redirects (e.g. for differences in accents) and by also patrolling editors who are on on the redirect whitelist.
 * Year in review

has been named reviewer of the year for 2020. John has held the permission for just over 6 months and in that time has helped cut into the queue by reviewing more than 18,000 articles. His talk page shows his efforts to communicate with users, upholding NPP's goal of nurturing new users and quality over quantity.
 * Reviewer of the Year

As a special recognition and thank you has been awarded the first NPP Technical Achievement Award. His work programming the bot has helped us patrol redirects tremendously - more than 60,000 redirects this past year. This has been a large contribution to New Page Patrol and definitely is worthy of recognition.
 * NPP Technical Achievement Award

Six Month Queue Data: Today – 2262 Low – 2232 High – 10271

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DYK for Recollections of Full Years
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for 1958 Lebanese presidential election
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Frances Spatz Leighton
Hello! Your submission of Frances Spatz Leighton at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Hog Farm Bacon 03:10, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLXXVI, December 2020
The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here. If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 22:49, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for The Personal Memoirs of Julia Dent Grant
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Congressional seed distribution
Hello! Your submission of Congressional seed distribution at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! – Muboshgu (talk) 19:54, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for List of memoirs by first ladies of the United States
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Restoring Salvadorian Magpie to WP:HOAXLIST
You deleted Salvadorian Magpie as a hoax a few weeks ago; would you mind archiving it per the instructions at the top of WP:HOAXLIST? The utility of knowning what makes very long-lived hoaxes like this work probably outweights WP:DENY in this case at least. Thanks, Vahurzpu (talk) 04:13, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * : Done at List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Salvadorian Magpie. Eddie891 Talk Work 22:10, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Editor of the Week
User:Gog the Mild submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:
 * User Eddie891 is a stalwart of Wikipedia. In four years of activity he has achieved; 17 GA's, 2 unusually difficult and thorough FAs, and 85 GAN's reviewed...all typical of how they have selflessly contributed so much to the project. A meticulous but flexible reviewer at higher levels. (A difficult trick to pull off.) Somehow they squeeze in a stack of Wikignoming, most of which I suspect no one notices and which Eddie makes no effort to publicise. For example, each month The Signpost publishes a list of all Featured Articles, Featured Lists and Featured Topics; each with a 100-200 word description. (Think about that for a moment - it is a lot of work.) That's Eddie. He gets that done...on time! Along the way Eddie has become an administrator, where they specialise in page deletion; a necessary, but time consuming and oft contentious area. Did I mention their contributions to Women in Red? Space does not allow me to do them justice. And how can you not like someone who quotes Walt Whitman on their user page?

You can copy the following text to your user page to display a user box proclaiming your selection as Editor of the Week:

Thanks again for your efforts! ― Buster7  &#9742;   17:22, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks and ! What a pleasant surprise&mdash; It means a lot. Cheers, Eddie891 Talk Work 18:33, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Very well deserved. Congrats, Eddie. Hog Farm Bacon 21:09, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Request to review Draft:Nikhil_Anand and help in publishing the same
I am here to seek your help in helping me have an article published. The recommended language changes were done months back and the article is yet to be published. IF you find any slight improvement to be done, please be kind to do the same and publish the article Draft:Nikhil_AnandRichardmat (talk) 09:29, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'm unfortunately not familiar enough with the sourcing to determine whether he is notable, so am not in a position to review it. Sorry, Eddie891 Talk Work 23:12, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 19
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:#606060; background-color:#f8f8f8; border-width:2px; text-align:left; padding:7px; border-radius:1em; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75);" class="plainlinks"> News and updates associated with user scripts from the past month (December 2020).

Hello everyone and welcome to the 19th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:

Scripts Submit your new/improved script here
 * Cscr-featured.svg Enterprisey's script-installer, a gadget that makes it easier to install scripts, is this month's featured script


 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg Enterprisey's copy-section-link adds popups to section headers which has an appropriate wikilink and external link to the section.
 * DannyS712's FindBlacklistEntry can be used to figure out which line(s) in either the local or global spamblacklist prevent a particular url from being added.
 * Nardog's CodeEditorAssist allows customizing the code editor, including changing the color theme and enabling live autocompletion.
 * Cobaltcigs's IllWill allows searches wikidata.org for foreign-language sitelinks, to populate ill and replace plain red links.


 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Twinkle has made a number of improvements, most notably full support for expiring watchlist items.
 * Evad37's Signpost Publishing Script is now at version 2.4.2, with changes including a fix for calculating the size of pages with files.
 * Evad37's MoveToDraft is now at version 2.5.1, with changes including:
 * checks for move conflicts and better options if move fails
 * the addition of Drafts moved from mainspace after moves
 * updating the default move log and notification texts to be more in line with WP:DRAFTIFY
 * Enterprisey's cv-revdel now handles failures more cleanly, including reporting failures caused by the spam blacklist.
 * Bradv's Notepad.js script has been updated with new styles and a new launch button.
 * A beta version of XFDcloser is available for testing, and brings a new user interface for dialogs and some preferences for customization.



Open tasks
 * Voting in the m:Community Wishlist Survey 2021 is ongoing until December 21, 2020. There are 15 proposals in the "bots and gadgets" category that may be of interest.

Pending requests
 * A script to help list discussions at WP:ANRFC (request)
 * A script to allow undoing edits despite conflicting intermediary edits (request)
 * ...and many more, all available at User scripts/Requests

Miscellaneous
 * The Watchlist Expiry feature worked on by the Community Tech team has been enabled on Wikipedia. For scripts that include watching or unwatching pages, developers may want to update their code to take advantage of the new functionality. See the documentation on mediawiki.org.
 * As noted in the prior issue, Enterprisey's links-in-logs script has now been implemented as part of MediaWiki core. By my count, this is his third script that was replaced by implementing the code in MediaWiki core or an extension, along with link-section-edits and abusefilter-hide-search. Additionally, his reply-link script is being converted in part to mw:Extension:DiscussionTools. Are there any other scripts that might be worth integrating directly in MediaWiki? Thoughts would be welcome at Wikipedia talk:Scripts++.

As always, if anyone else would like to contribute, help is appreciated. Stay safe, and happy holidays! --DannyS712 (talk) 00:19, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

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Comment - Appealing deletion of a page
Hello! This is my first time posting on a talk page so apologies if formatting is off. The page for our company was recently deleted due to the actions of an overzealous staffer who didn't understand Wikipedia standards fully. We would love the opportunity to reformat the page to stick just to the most important facts and properly attribute everything with better sources. We are a legitimate, noteworthy company who has had a Wikipedia page for many years prior to the staffer intervening.

deleted page Talk:Matador Network - 23:18, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Please let me know if there is anything I can do and thank you for your time Lauraamelia359 (talk) 20:07, 17 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Endorse deletion. While an overzealous staffer, editing against our policies, may have drawn attention to the article, the basic fact is that it doesn't pass our notability guidelines for corporations, WP:NCORP. Such a determination isn't about the state of the article, whether it needs reformatted or cleaned up, but whether the topic itself has sufficient coverage to meet notability. That wasn't the case and the AFD determined the topic (not the article and its current state) was non-notable. -- ferret (talk) 23:26, 17 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Essentially, my opinion is what Ferret said-- the link you provide as proof of 'noteworthiness' is simply a press release, not the sort of coverage we expect to establish notability. Eddie891 Talk Work 00:45, 18 December 2020 (UTC):

Would you like me to do the QPQ?
For Mildred? Since you included me in the nomination, it seems like something I should do. Silver seren C 22:10, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , I'd really appreciate it if you feel so inclined. But if you don't want to, I'll get around to it-- eventually. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:52, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It's done. :) Silver  seren C 18:33, 19 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Dang, what are you using to find all of these obscure articles? Obviously not just Google, since I definitely wasn't finding all that. Not even Proquest or Williams pulled up much. Silver  seren C 20:45, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * : I got most of my articles through Newspapers.com, some through proquest, one or two through ebsco, some through Gale (which I get from the NYPL), and some other profiles via a deep search of archive.org. You're quite right that a google search was remarkably unhelpful, though gbooks has about two or three relevant results. Cheers, Eddie891 Talk Work 20:52, 19 December 2020 (UTC)


 * You planning on submitting the article to Good Article review once the DYK has run? Seems like you're pretty close to perfect on the requirements. Even an eventual Featured Article review wouldn't be out of the question. Silver  seren C 21:13, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * - I actually thought I'd nominate it later today-- no point in waiting for the DYK to run, when it can take months for a GA review to simply be started. I'd love to get it to FA eventually, but we'll see how it develops. Cheers, Eddie891 Talk Work 22:00, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Lilias Margaret Frances, Countess Bathurst
The article Lilias Margaret Frances, Countess Bathurst you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Lilias Margaret Frances, Countess Bathurst for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sturmvogel 66 -- Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 04:21, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Frances Spatz Leighton
Hello! Your submission of Frances Spatz Leighton at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 22:38, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Season's Greetings from MrLinkinPark333
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:#FF4646; background-color:#F6F0F7; border-width:2px; text-align:left; padding:0.5em 0.5em 0 0.5em; border-radius:1em; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75);;" class="plainlinks">Happy Holidays text.png Hello Eddie891: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 04:31, 23 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings1}} to send this message MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 04:31, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Fishbait Miller
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy holidays
This year, many people had COVID to fear, The holidays are getting near, One thing that will be clear, We will still have holiday cheer, Happy holidays and happy new year!! From Interstellarity (talk) 22:59, 24 December 2020 (UTC)