User talk:EddieHugh/Archive 2014

Your GA nomination of Tommy Flanagan
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Ramsar sites of Poland/GA1
Hi, I'd urge you to re-open the GA on Ramsar sites of Poland to at least give the nominator (me) a chance to work through and discuss your concerns. Ajh1492 (talk) 10:50, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I've replied on that page. EddieHugh (talk) 11:52, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Tommy Flanagan
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Your GA nomination of Tommy Flanagan
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Your GA nomination of Jaki Byard
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Thanks for your work
Thank you for your word on the tables in the article for Brad Mehldau. They add to the article immensely. DISEman (talk) 08:02, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Jaki Byard
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Your GA nomination of Jaki Byard
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Jazz discogs
Cheers and thank you for your great jazz discography work!!! The sortable table should be the wikipedia standard for sideman work....Cosprings (talk) 17:35, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

John Coltrane
Just a note: your revert apparently restores a dead link. As to the second, the template states, "Link needs dab", but there does not appear to be a link there. Cheers. Mannanan51 (talk) 21:27, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I reacted in part to your marking of your edits as 'minor' and not giving them an edit summary. I think that restoring a dead link is ok – it allows someone to find the source, if that's possible, whereas removing it altogether makes that unlikely. I sometimes forget that 'dn' has a particular meaning in Wikipedia, so have changed the tag to 'clarification needed'. Thanks. EddieHugh (talk) 22:30, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mulgrew Miller
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Your GA nomination of Wynton Kelly
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Your GA nomination of Bobby Timmons
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Your GA nomination of Mulgrew Miller
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Translation Miller
Dear Eddie, you write beautiful articles, and I would like to translate them into german. But I face some difficulties controlling the many refs you give, as I have no account to the archives, and in german WP, it is not enough to judge the accuracy of an article. Cheers .. Room 608 13:18, 22 March 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roomsixhu (talk • contribs)
 * Do you mean that the German WP needs online sources, or that you personally want to see/check the sources? Some of my sources cannot be found online or without a subscription, but a lot can. Try searching Google books or news.google.com for the titles of magazine and newspaper articles that I use (I don't always link to the online version). Maybe the German site has a place where you can ask for someone to check/send you the original. Otherwise... I don't make things up... but I understand your wish to check. Thanks, EddieHugh (talk) 14:03, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Your articles are precise. In the case of Timmons I would have liked to excerpt a little for my own from newspaper articles. In the case of Miller: You are the only one who mentiones the NHØP tour sponsored by Bang & Olufson. I do not need to check this e.g. But when I translate I have to decide, where I omit refs, change them or cheat anyway. In Timmons' case I checked everything I found, which was interessting articles. I more give refs to albums where everbody can make his own judgement about characteristics of style. To me it seems, that in german WP every source that is pusblished is objective, more true than the experience of a listener. -- Room 608 19:10, 23 March 2014 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roomsixhu (talk • contribs)

Your GA nomination of Bobby Timmons
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Your GA nomination of Bobby Timmons
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Your GA nomination of Wynton Kelly
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Template:Did you know nominations/Wynton Kelly
Hello, I wanted to let you know that I have brought Wynton Kelly, which you brought to GA status, to Did you Know. The nomination can be found at Template:Did you know nominations/Wynton Kelly.  S ven M anguard  Wha?  22:20, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Feedback on a new beta feature called Hovercards
Hi EddieHugh, We are collecting feedback for a new beta feature called 'Hovercards' - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Beta_Features/Hovercards. Beta features can be turned on using the tab in the top right. It would be great if you could turn the feature on and give us your feedback. Thanks Vibhabamba (talk) 10:04, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Wynton Kelly
The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Independence referendum endorsements
You're quite right to add Lord Robertson. I have been reluctant to add politicians so far (apart from independents or people who have gone against party line) because that would be quite a big job to go back through all the sources to find every notable politician who has spoken for either Yes or No. Plus it will quite quickly overwhelm the other individuals and organisations that have expressed a view. Although perhaps that is accurate. ;-) Jmorrison230582 (talk) 19:20, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that he is largely an ex-politician. I see that you've added Cameron, Clegg, Salmond, etc. I think that these names are redundant, given that they are leaders of parties with a stated position. Independents or those with an interest for some other reason (from Wales, former leader of something important, for instance) can be of relevance, but I reckon that readers will assume that party members will be following the party line, so don't need a list of those who are. Interesting to see what happens when things heat up... EddieHugh (talk) 22:35, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Brad Mehldau
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Brad Mehldau you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Viriditas -- Viriditas (talk) 04:00, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm going to try and finish this tomorrow. Sorry for the delay. Viriditas (talk) 09:47, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Brad Mehldau
The article Brad Mehldau you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Brad Mehldau for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Viriditas -- Viriditas (talk) 11:21, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't forget, you have five days to submit a DYK. Viriditas (talk) 20:08, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, it's the fifth day and you haven't submitted a DYK. So, I submitted one instead.  If you don't like it, you can propose a new one or propose modifications of the existing "hook".  You can review the nomination here. Viriditas (talk) 21:58, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem. I tried to think of something, but nothing stood out for me. I think that, in changing the wording, you've gone away from the original meaning. I read the source as: Mehldau identifies a motif, etc. while improvising, then later turns it into a composition; the rest of the composing does not occur during the improvisation. EddieHugh (talk) 22:12, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit confused by your latest change. In your edit summary you say "the composing is not done while improvising", which doesn't make any sense, since the article says: "Mehldau himself indicated that some of his compositions address a specific need, such as integrating a particular rhythm into his trio, while others emerge from something he has played while improvising.  That's composing while improvising.  Further, that's what the subsequent term "the latter" refers to here.  If you were to say the "former", that would refer to the artificial, formal composition process of "integrating a particular rhythm into his trio".  The source explains this non-improvisational process: "I write at the piano mostly. It really varies. Some tunes start out as a challenge: how to introduce something into my trio rhythmically or formally, for example, that we haven't done."  So the "former" refers to the formal, non-improvisational composition process, while the "latter" refers to what Mehldau calls the "much more natural" process of composing while improvising: "a melody or motif occurs while I'm improvising, and it becomes the basis of a tune."  That's composing while improvising.  Mehldau refers to this natural process: "If it's the latter, I've noticed that the level of difficulty in the different stages of writing a song is analogous to a chess game".  DYK has specific rules about how the hook must be cited in the body of the article, which is why I removed the close paraphrasing of "the latter" and rephrased it to match the hook in one sentence followed by the citation.  Do you still disagree that "Mehldau likened the difficulty of the composition process during improvisation to a game of chess"?  What, in your opinion, does "the latter" refer to in the following phrasing: "In the latter case, Mehldau likened the difficulty of the composition process to that of a game of chess".  In your own words that you wrote in the article, "the latter" directly refers to compositions that "emerge from something he has played while improvising".  Are you getting confused by the ambiguity of improvising compositionally and improvising live during a performance? Viriditas (talk) 22:59, 19 May 2014 (UTC)


 * In any case, the DYK nomination is no longer valid as a result of your change. The DYK rules state that "the hook fact must be cited in the article with an inline citation to a reliable source, since inline citations are used to support specific statements in an article. The hook fact must have an inline citation right after it".  So if you don't want to use that hook, please come up with another one or propose changing the current wording. Would removing the term "jazz improvisation" satisfy your concerns? Viriditas (talk) 23:02, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * To avoid the DYK from failing a review, I've shortened it here. Do you still oppose it? Viriditas (talk) 23:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * My interpretation of what BM said is that he improvises, hears something that appeals, then returns later to refine it, develop it and turn it into a composition that has a beginning, middle and end. Only the initial idea comes from genuine improvisation: it's "others emerge from something he has played while improvising", not "others are composed while improvising". The original is: "a melody or motif occurs while I'm improvising, and it becomes the basis of a tune". I don't, to be honest, think that anyone could create a full tune (new melody and harmony, etc.) during the process of one improvisation, given that the improvisation is based in various ways on another tune or structure. It could be "improvising compositionally", as you suggest, but that's probably not what the typical reader will think of when seeing "improvise" in an article about a jazz musician, and there's nothing in the source to indicate what type of improvisation he's referring to. Maybe we'll have to wait for another interview that clarifies or updates the point... EddieHugh (talk) 08:46, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * So the competing interpretations are that he's 1) composing while improvising or 2) improvising while composing. I can see how it could be ambiguous.  However, the way the article and source text explain it, some compositions emerge from improvisation.  I think you will agree with that simple statement.  After all, Mehldau writes that "a melody or motif occurs while I'm improvising, and it becomes the basis of a tune."  And I think we both agree that when he makes the analogy and refers to the "latter", he is referring to ideas that emerge from improvisation.  Where we differ is in the interpretation of the analogy.  For me, I see him referring to the natural approach to composition where the music arises out of improvisation, rather than the formal approach focusing on constructing music, such as rhythm, etc. Viriditas (talk) 23:02, 20 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I didn't intend to sabotage or even oppose the DYK nomination – I wasn't aware of the rules involved... sorry about that. The version without "jazz improvisation" is accurate, I believe. EddieHugh (talk) 08:46, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, there's no need to explain. I know you have only good intentions. Thanks for taking another look. Viriditas (talk) 23:02, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * BTW, I want to you know that I am perfectly happy with getting rid of the current DYK and using one you prefer. Can you find anything in the current article you wrote that might work?  Just make sure it is short and interesting! Viriditas (talk) 00:08, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The one you have is good for broad appeal. Thanks. EddieHugh (talk) 09:11, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Brad Mehldau
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:13, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Good work! :) Viriditas (talk)

Graham Avery
Here he is his biography on the European Parliament website. He is hon. DG of the Commission and an adviser to the EPC think tank. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 05:37, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for finding that clarification. Still not quite clear if he is the Hon DG or an Hon DG. EddieHugh (talk) 08:58, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

"Tabloidese"
I was referring to the use of the word "boosted", rather than the source provided. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 21:10, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Spelling
Your edit of Jazz, where you took the word "widespread" and broke it up into "wide spread", seems to require an explanation. There are plenty of dictionaries that show it as a single word, and none that advocate breaking it into two words. Chris the speller  yack  16:09, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Apologies. It wasn't intentional and I didn't notice that it had happened. I must somehow have selected 'rollback' while looking at your edit; that reverts without any additional step. I've undone my change. EddieHugh (talk) 18:08, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Cool. Chris the speller   yack  19:57, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Lars Ulrich
In terms of long-lasting influence, even the usage of winding down by heavy metal musicians post-gig should be noted! kencf0618 (talk)
 * Maybe if it influenced their music, but not if it influences just their relaxing... good to know that it's spread widely, though. EddieHugh (talk) 19:07, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Elmo Hope
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Your GA nomination of Elmo Hope
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Your GA nomination of Elmo Hope
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DYK for Elmo Hope
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:57, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Art Farmer discography
Hi EddieHugh, You are indeed correct as to the existence of two seperate albums titled The Time and the Place and I'm currently in the process of creating articles for both. I reinstated the Mosaic album as The Time and the Place: The Lost Concert in order to differentiate. In my haste I mistakenly assumed them to be both the same album but I stand corrected. DISEman (talk) 04:16, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

GA review
Hey...I didn't follow up much but did you quick-fail A.R.Rahman's GAN? The nominator never seem to have edited the article after he nominated the article. Again, I believe he never edited earlier as well. I was just curious so thought of asking you. -  Vivvt  ( Talk ) 19:37, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I did, for reasons given on the review page. I checked before reviewing and also saw that the nominator had not done much editing of it (I checked back to March, when some was done). EddieHugh (talk) 19:50, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Plagiarism
I have just shamelessly repeated your careful condensations at Scottish independence referendum, 2014 as if they were my own, trying new way of persuading the recalcitrant. But just say the word - no need to state a reason - and I'll happily self-revert. NebY (talk) 17:05, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * These people usually disappear after a short time, so I usually wait, but that article is being edited so much that the moment would soon pass. I thank you for your edit and support. EddieHugh (talk) 18:37, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Scottish Refrendum post of voter fraud
Eddie, disregard my old post. My apologies for paranoid friendly fire.

Hasaan Ibn Ali
Eddie, I have replied to your message on my talk page. HomageToDonByas (talk) 14:49, 29 September 2014 (UTC)