User talk:EdgeNavidad/Archive 1

Tour de France 1970 pictures
Hello EdgeNavidad, it's all my own work. I have taken the photographs from my house when I was 13. In 2009, I scanned the 2 slides with a slide scanner. I have cropped the photograph number 2. Sincerely. Jpbazard.

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Maillot jaune statistics
Hi, at Talk:Maillot jaune statistics you have started the featured list procedure, but it isn't complete. You can find the details at Featured list candidates about how to complete it. Regards, SeveroTC 13:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/BBC Young Musician of the Year
I've commented on/addressed all your concerns. I'm open to more suggestions or further input from yourself. Qst (talk) 17:38, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * All but one of your issues of been addressed now. Thanks for your input. :) Qst (talk) 17:40, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

List of Victoria Cross recipients of the Royal Navy
Hi there, have you got any further comments about this article at the FLC. Is there anything stopping you from supporting? If so please explicitly state either way (Oppose or Support) so that the person who closes it can try and gauge consensus. It would be much appreciated, thankyou. Woody (talk) 16:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK nom
Hi. I've nominated Tour de France during the Second World War, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know, where you can improve it if you see fit. Thanks, Olaf Davis | Talk 10:12, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Image:TdFPrizeMoney.svg
The timeline at the foot of this graph appears to be 20 years out - ie it seems to go from 1880 to 1988. Can you have a look. Cheers Bikeroo (talk) 04:37, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Weird... I will try to fix it soon.--EdgeNavidad (talk) 09:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Juan Jose Warner
No worries, the article could use some attention, I'm more focused on the National Historic Landmarks than people right now or I would have spent time on the article. I'm sure someone else will come along and improve it more than either of us did, hopefullydm (talk) 03:49, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Giro d'Italia
Hello Edge, Can you help, please. I have created several pages and tables about the Giro, (eg. 1923 Giro d'Italia) based in the Italian data, but the pre-war Italian flag icon doesn't work in English, so I have had to substitute the contemporary 🇮🇹. Can you / do you know how to fix it? Upload the icon to English? not my area of expertise. Thanks for any help you can give. Autodidactyl (talk) 18:47, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * thanks Autodidactyl (talk) 23:01, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * did you upload it? or ... was it already there? If so - how/where did you search? regards Autodidactyl (talk) 23:04, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Very interesting and useful. A whole new area for me. Thanks again. Autodidactyl (talk) 09:09, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Chronological Order
Regarding your many editions to cyclist, team and cycling races articles, where in the Wikipedia Manual of Style did you see anything stating that lists should follow ascending chronological order ? Reverse order places more relevant (more recent) results on top, which is natural. Also, some of your table changes perform incorrect sorting on ordinal numbers. Ideally the tables should be default-sorted to reverse chronological order, and columns where sorting does not work should have click-sorting disabled (such as the edition column on Prova Ciclistica 9 de Julho). Fbergo (talk) 15:04, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, I apologize for the reverts, and will undo them. Some major teams, like Astana Team, have reverse ordering, so I believed it to be the proper one. Fbergo (talk) 17:22, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

A small heads-up
Per my note at Talk:Cycling at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Women's road race, which you're probably not all that likely to see, I'm considering nominating that article for GA. You are probably the most prominent contributor to that article, so if you care to nominate it, it should probably be you that does it. If you think there are further revisions necessary to the article, let me know so I don't list it too soon. Don't fall asleep  zzzzzz 02:27, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Cycling at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Women's road race
No, you are right, "agency" belongs to cite news. Blast those cite templates! I'll try to leave comments at the FAC later this week. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

FYI
I have userfied your template. The page "Template:User:EdgeNavidad/showtest" has been moved to "User:EdgeNavidad/showtest". –xeno talk 22:24, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Problem
Golden jersey statistics. Neat idea for an article, but unlike the other two Grand Tours, the leader's jersey in the Vuelta hasn't always been gold. According to the Spanish Wikipedia (uncited, however), it's going to be red this year Vuelta ciclista a España. So the article should probably have a different title, but I can't think of anything that's not overly wordy and unwieldy. Nosleep break my slumber 20:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What about "Vuelta a España statistics"? The pink jersey and yellow jersey statistics can be moved to "Giro d'Italia statistics" and "Tour de France statistics" without problems. Some of the sections in the yellow jersey statistics would even suit better in that name. --EdgeNavidad (talk) 07:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably would work. It's a bit vague for a title, but that's what leads are for, then. Nosleep  break my slumber 05:41, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Style guide
I've revised the first style guide with additional questions. Please go there and answer them. Nosleep break my slumber 04:56, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

New first draft: User:Nosleep/Style guide/Grand Tour. It is mostly built off the first one, though there is a little still to decide. Nosleep break my slumber 08:37, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I notice you've changed the existing style guides to remove the guideline that the stage tables be side-by-side. Unless I'm mistaken, there's pretty broad consensus behind this. Can you point me to where that consensus may have been revised? If it's not, could you re-orient the tables side-by-side? I would do it myself, but I'm not really familiar with the code you used, and I don't want to try and just mess it up. Nosleep break my slumber 15:06, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * As far as I know the tables should be oriented side-by-side. And as far as I can see, the tables are oriented side-by-side. At least in the grand tour style guide, which I think you are talking about. Before I take any action: am I right that you are talking about the grand tour styleguide? Maybe I forgot to check for smaller screens...--EdgeNavidad (talk) 15:20, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt57/Nosleep_wiki/screenie1.jpg http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt57/Nosleep_wiki/screenie2.jpg

I just took those right this second. If the tables look side-by-side to you, terrific, because I always preferred them to look like this for me (I really hate seeing Team Columbia- High Road and such in tables, which happens a lot on my screen).

Aggravatingly, I need to leave now. I will be back later today. Nosleep break my slumber 15:36, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I see it. Have to leave now, I will check it out later. --EdgeNavidad (talk) 16:06, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I have put some of the old formatting back. There is some wikipedia rule that says that everything should work for a resolution of 800x600 I think, but I forgot to check it. If for some reason this is still not correct, please let me know. I did not mean to change the standard, I only wanted to make the code neater. And I also believe you if you don't add screen shots ;) --EdgeNavidad (talk) 06:52, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh, it wasn't a matter of you not believing me, it was just a matter of being fully illustrative :P Like I said, I actually like them better on top of each other. I don't know what's "neater" about the code (not saying it's not neater, I just don't understand it enough to know why), so it may be best to put it that way. I seem to be the only person in the world who has issues with certain screen layouts (have a look at Talk:2008 Tour de France for a reminder]]), so if there's advantages to the way you had it, maybe it's for the best. Nosleep  break my slumber 21:24, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The code that I used puts the tables next to each other if it fits on the screen, and above each other if it doesn't fit, if I fully understand the code. This was not the reason that I made the change, I changed it because I don't like tables in tables for technical reasons. Although it is not consensus, "my" code could be useful, because large screens are optimally used, and in smaller screens you don't see those annoying line breaks. The coming time I actually have more important things to do than discuss table positioning on Wikipedia, so I'm going to leave it here. I have put both options on User:EdgeNavidad/test, if you ever want to do something with it.--EdgeNavidad (talk) 06:43, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

User:Nosleep/Style guide/One day race. Really need community involvement on this one. Nosleep break my slumber 01:23, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Giro d'Italia
Hello, the giro colour is pink, hence please the yellow colour turn into pink, thank you. 17:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC) Kov 93

Tour
hello, look giro please the jersey table is bad for you, ne változtasd meg b... meg!!!!! 15:28, 10 July 2009 (UTC) Kov 93

Neologism
Interpunction: the points between items. Brilliant ;@) Kevin McE (talk) 17:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * In Dutch we call that interpunctie, and from its Latin origin I thouht it would be used in English too, but now I see punctuation is more common. --EdgeNavidad (talk) 06:45, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That's what made it so effective: because of its Latin roots it seems familiar and is instantly understandable. I had always believed that Dutch and German had far fewer words of Latin derivation than English, but here's one that we anglophones had missed out on. Kevin McE (talk) 07:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for List of Tour de France general classification winners
This is for you - I nominated it but you did the ard work along with NapHit. Jezhotwells (talk) 16:33, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but I only polished NapHit's work! --EdgeNavidad (talk) 17:41, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

en-dash vs. em-dash
It should be en-dash (–), not em-dash (&mdash;), instead of hyphens (-). lil2mas (talk) 20:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Grrrrrr.... You are right. Thank you for reminding me halfway!--EdgeNavidad (talk) 20:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

"Colors might change"
True. But I don't think it's wrong to say that Hushovd and Cavendish competed for the green jersey this year, even if it's chartreuse or vermillion next season. Consider that The Steelers went on to beat the Arizona Cardinals in Super Bowl XLIII last February for their sixth Lombardi Trophy and other similar usages in other sports. It's not wrong to say that Greg Van Avermaet won the blue jersey in the Vuelta a España last year, though maybe "points classification blue jersey" is the best way to say it.

Anyway, just noticed you've been editing like a fiend and saw this as one of the changes, though I'd weigh in. Alex finds herself awake at night ( Talk ·  What keeps her up ) 03:48, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I hade a three reasons to do this:


 * It is true that Hushovd and Cavendish competed for the green jersey this year, but if the colors change, then in a few years this will be meaningless for the readers. If somebody tells me that a cyclist competed for the green jersey in the 1999 Vuelta a España, I would not know if he was competing for the points, mountains, intermediate sprints, combination or whatever classification. I know that this is a weak argument, because the Tour is unlikely to change colors.
 * For non-cyclist fans, a competition for the green jersey can be meaningless. The fact that they were competing for the points classification can explain a little bit more about what they were doing, that it's a sports thing and not a fashion thing. But again, a weak argument.
 * I wanted to link directly to points classification in the Tour de France instead of to green jersey, and this seemed like the easiest way to do it.
 * But today I think that it is better to say that Hushovd and Cavendish "competed for the green jersey of the points classification". That is correct, references the green jersey, and makes clear it is a classification.--EdgeNavidad (talk) 06:53, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Crazy ass idea for a reeeeeeeallllllly long-term goal
Giro d'Italia as a featured topic. What do you think? 2009 Giro d'Italia is going to be a good topic really soon, and I'm going to ask for a peer review for the 2009 Giro d'Italia article itself before going to FAC with it. If 2009 Giro d'Italia passes FA (it has already passed GA), that gives us a pretty good template for how future editions of the race should look (2008 Giro d'Italia, for example, is an utter disgrace of an article). It would also make 2009 Giro d'Italia itself a featured topic.

You may or may not be interested in helping directly, but what I'm looking for from you is where you go to get your sources for ancient editions of the Tour de France. Are they Tour-specific, or might they have info on ages-ago editions of the corsa rosa? Cycling News actually goes back over 10 years, and is going to keep me plenty busy if I go reverse-chronologically (seems logical to do that), but there's plenty of editions for which I'll need other sources.

So, any ideas for sources? I know none of the ancient Tour de France articles are GA or FA, but they're probably not far off (although one thing I noticed - but of course didn't fix myself, because that would just have been too easy) is that the plural of "Tour de France" should be "Tours de France." Not sure if you're the one who wrote "Tour de Frances," but just think about it - France is not plural. Next time I give those articles a read I'll make the fix when I see it (I only saw it a few times). Alex finds herself awake at night ( Talk ·  What keeps her up ) 08:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll first respond to the plural of "Tour de France". Not because it is important, but because I think it is interesting. Let me start by saying that you are correct, and that similar to "sons-in-law", the 'official' plural is "Tours de France", and not "Tour de Frances". The latter one should have not been included in the Tour articles. But secondly, I disagree with the official rule. In French, it is "Tours de France", with no other option. I almost never write French text, but if I did, I would never use "Tour de Frances". That is because the words ("Tour", "de", and "France") have individual meanings. But in other languages where "Tour de France" is used, it is used only in that combination. As a result, I consider "Tour de France" to be one "word" in the English language. And the plural should be made, like any other word, by adding "s" to the end of the word. And without thinking about it, I use it when I write articles.


 * You started by mentioning that I may or may not be interested in helping directly. At the moment, I am interested, but don't have enough time. Furthermore, I am more interested in getting all the Tour-articles up to B or C-class. Maybe the once that I did are close to GA-class, but I think that I lack the writing skills that you have to make GA-class articles. English is not my first language, so sometimes I find myself looking for the right word, or writing awkard constructions. It simply takes too much time to copy-edit everything to GA-class, so I stop at B-class. I was planning to go on to the Giro articles when the Tour articles would be finished, but that was also a long-term goal. Moreover because I found so many difficulties in getting the exact rules for classifications (how many mountains were there, how many points did they give for the mountains classification, which stages gave how many points for the points classifications, how many intermediate sprints were there, how many bonification seconds did they give, etc.) even in quite recent articles, that I have been busy collecting this information for a book that I might publish someday. That takes up a lot of my free time already.


 * And then finally: the sources. My most important sources are:


 * www.letour.fr. Obviously only for the Tour de France.
 * Memoire du cyclisme. This is said to have reliable information. The Tour de France pages are open for everybody, but for the Giro pages you have to be a registered member.
 * Veloarchive. This has some nice information on the early Tours, but only a little bit on the Giro.
 * the CVCC page. This lists all the stage winners and all the general classification leaders of the Tour, but also of the Giro.
 * Cycling revealed. Does not give much detail, but often gives some detail that other pages miss. Also on the Giro.
 * El Mundo Deportivo. A Spanish sports paper. Gives detailed information about Tour classifications. Not very helpful during Spanish civil wars or when there were no Spanish cyclists in the race. Probably wrote a lot about the Giro, too.
 * Il Littoriale. Italian sports paper from 1928 to 1944, so useful for those Giro's. Probably wrote a lot on them, although I did not check it.
 * Leeuwarder Courant. A Dutch newspaper, helpful for me as I speak Dutch but probably you don't. Should have some articles on the Giro, at least since there first were Dutch cyclists in the Giro.
 * And of course Google books. I found some books about the Tour that were accessible for everybody, but they had no information on the Giro so I won't list them here.
 * I hope this helps you somewhat.--EdgeNavidad (talk) 15:54, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! I had no idea English was not your first language (take that as a compliment). Spanish and to a lesser extent Italian will be great helps for me - you're right that Dutch won't be :P Tour de France could be a featured topic just as easily as Giro d'Italia, especially since in recent years the Tour pages have had no trouble being prose-heavy B or C class articles simply by virtue of normal it's-on-TV-right-now-so-I'll-write-about-it collaboration. Hopefully when you have some more time to devote to Wikipedia we might go to year to year on both races. Alex finds herself awake at night  ( Talk ·  What keeps her up ) 02:30, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

David Wetherall
Can you take a look at the improvements? Spiderone 08:49, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

David Wetherall GA
Thank you for your perseverance and patience with Mr Wetherall :-) cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:14, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Milan – San Remo
Hey, doesn't look like anyone at WP:RM are concerned about our move proposition? Could you close the request, and move the article back to Milan – San Remo? lil2mas (talk) 20:48, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. --EdgeNavidad (talk) 07:41, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

2010 Tour de France
Hi again, noticed you were the one who made the nice stage icons! =) I was wondering if you could make another stage icon for the TdF-article? A discussion was started at the talk page, and the easiest way to close it would be to create the icon. (If it isn't to much of a job for you, so to speak.) If you could make one, this would be File:Hillystage.svg. You can find the TdF-version of the icon, here =) lil2mas (talk) 15:05, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs
Hello EdgeNavidad! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 2 of the articles that you created  are  Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons. Please note that all biographies of living persons must be sourced. If you were to add reliable, secondary sources to these articles, it would greatly help us with the current Category:All_unreferenced_BLPs article backlog. Once the articles are adequately referenced, please remove the unreferencedBLP tag. Here is the list:

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Bike paths
Thanks for the link to the bundled discussion! That seems to have been headed in the same direction as the current discussion, namely, keep but improve the ones that can be shown to be notable, and AfD the ones with no significant outside sources. I notice that the "cast of characters" in that discussion a year ago includes a lot of the current discussants! Well, I will take care of the three in San Diego County at some point after the current discussion ends. --MelanieN (talk) 15:48, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Your recent move of H. C. Hamaker
If "Hugo Christiaan Hamaker" is the "common name" that you claim, why does "H.C. Hamaker" yield the most hits from WorldCat?
 * http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=H.C.+Hamaker&qt=results_page yields 429 hits
 * http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=Hugo+Hamaker&qt=results_page yields 31 hits
 * http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=Hugo+Christiaan+Hamaker&qt=results_page yields only 7 hits

Also, none of the works cited in Hugo Christiaan Hamaker use what you claim to be his "common name".
 * -- DanielPenfield (talk) 15:19, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * For the same reason that a search for "Leonard Ornstein" gets only 32 results while "L. Ornstein" gets 231 results, even though the article on Wikipedia is still named Leonard Ornstein. In the journals that Hamaker published, it was common practice not to include the full first names but only the initials. Hamakers obituary when he died, included as reference, shows his normally used name. The Mathematics Genealogy Project, included in the external links, also uses 'Hugo Christiaan Hamaker'.
 * I believe his common name is/was "Hugo Christiaan Hamaker". In these journal publications, it was a custom to only use the initials, so "H.C. Hamaker" is their notation of his common name. The person the thought of E=mc2 is commonly referred to as "Einstein", "Albert Einstein" is less used (22 million versus 11 million on google). But that does of course not make "Einstein" the right name for his Wikipedia article, because "Einstein" (last name only) is only part of his common name "Albert Einstein", just as "H.C. Hamaker" (initials + last name) is only part of his common name "Hugo Christiaan Hamaker".
 * You might argue that because of the practice to include only initials in journal publications, his common name became "H.G. Hamaker", but I don't agree with that. I compared other Dutch physicists to see what the common practice is, and only C. H. D. Buys Ballot was named by his initials, and I don't think that is correctly, and all other articles give the full name. (But "othercrapexists" is no reason, I know).
 * But now that I have given my reasons, I leave it to you to decide where the article should be. I won't revert you if you move it back, I am more interested in article content than in article names.--EdgeNavidad (talk) 16:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Stub categories
Just as a heads up, before creating a stub category such as, it should be proposed at WikiProject Stub sorting. The category you created isn't really big enough for its own category, but it might be okay because all of the other continents have their own categories as well. I've left a note at WikiProject Stub sorting/Discoveries which will give an opinion either way. (For reference, it usually considered that there needs to be 30 articles for a template feeding into a more general category, or 60 articles for a template and its own category, but this is flexible because cycling biography stubs are already well developed) :) SeveroTC 19:06, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I saw a message when I created the category, but later forgot to do something with it. --EdgeNavidad (talk) 16:28, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Amr Elnady
I have just removed the prod template that you put on this article and added the fact that he competed in the Sydney Olympics. I believe that makes him notable and hopefully some one who knows more about cycling can add more info. If you still think the article should go then you'll need to take it to WP:AFD. Waacstats (talk) 13:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

1964 Tour de France
There's an article about this race in the March edition of Road magazine, to which I've just begun subscribing. Our article on the race here is in pretty sorry shape, and I know you've set to improving the Tour articles like I have with the Giro. If you'd like )and if you have an email account tied to your Wikipedia account), I could transmit the article to you, along with relevant citation information. Nosleep ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 06:59, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the offer. But isn't the magazine online at this site? It looks like I can see it without subscribtion, so then you don't need to send it. But thank you for informing me about the magazine! --EdgeNavidad (talk) 07:44, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course, bluetoad.com, whatever else would that have been... Nosleep  ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 13:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * S'pose it's good for me, too, for back issues. It will definitely be easier to read a physical magazine, though. I wouldn't use that website in any citations here; I somewhat doubt Road magazine has anything to do with it. Nosleep  ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 21:25, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The link is on, at "click here to check out Road Magazine for free!", so I guess Road magazine does have something to do with it. --EdgeNavidad (talk) 10:36, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Electric Bicycle
Thanks for your help on Electric bicycle. Any advice on edits we should make to get it up the quality scale? Ebikeguy (talk) 16:38, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks like a decent article to me. I think there are no obvious things to improve the article, but I did not have a thorough look on it. I gave the article a C-rating because that is the highest rating I give to any article without detailed inspection. Maybe the article fulfills the B-class criteria; if it does not, maybe you can find inspiration in these criteria; if it does fulfill all those criteria, you can upgrade the rating to B and look at the Good Article critera, to make it a Good Article. For that, you will eventually need a review, and that will give you more input.
 * I hope this answer helps; at the moment I don't have the time to work on articles... --EdgeNavidad (talk) 16:15, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

UCI Levels
At Articles for deletion/Ben Jacques-Maynes, you mentioned that the levels of races were: ProTour, HC, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Categories from 3 to 6 were dropped in 2005: from 2005 until 2008, the levels were ProTour, HC, 1, 2. Since the World Calendar came about, I would say they are now World Calendar (ProTour and Historic Calendar), HC, 1, 2. For what its worth, I generally agree with the AfD, I'm just interested as to whether the opinion of whether he competed in the Tour of Missouri is enough or not (I could see that go either way). Cheers! SeveroTC 20:19, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok thank you, I didn't know that.--EdgeNavidad (talk) 07:43, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Luke Schenn
Thanks for the review. I will get to all those within the next day or two. Schenn is probably still in the prospect stage as an NHL player. I saw you checked out Drew Doughty's article - he's probably a tier or two below Doughty. He's the great hope of Toronto Maple Leafs fans everywhere, though. Canada Hky (talk) 23:39, 11 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Have addressed most of the issues in the review, still looking for a different reference for the one article for subscribers only (I think it was free access when I wrote it initially). I'll let you know if I cannot find anything.  Canada Hky (talk) 00:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Found an additional reference for the Globe and Mail story. I left the original reference in there as well.  Canada Hky (talk) 00:55, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Reviewer granted
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1905 Tour de France GAN
I've done my initial review of the article. I've picked up a few minor things that I've already fixed, and a few others that just need someone more familiar with the topic - and possibly able to read the non-English sources :-) - to fix up the others. I don't think it'll be too difficult to handle, and should be made a Good Article in no time.  Afaber012  (talk) 02:25, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of 1905 Tour de France
The article 1905 Tour de France you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:1905 Tour de France for eventual comments about the article. Well done!  Afaber012  (talk) 07:58, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Differences from the **** Tour de France
I've been adding the differences to several Tour de Frances that lacked that section, after seeing your chart on your user page. I didn't know if you wanted any help, but I've done like 10 Tours now. If you need any help just message me. ThurstAsh13 (talk) 19:51, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
thanks for your help on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Cycling_in_Western_Australia- i will do what i can. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wainfoatcyclingorgau (talk • contribs) 06:17, 6 August 2010 (UTC) Hi Edge, hows the History_of_Cycling_in_Western_Australia looking now ? can we remove the deletion. nooby- wainfo or toby1kenobi199959.100.237.202 (talk) 01:14, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Cyclist infoboxes with country
I was literally just going to make an update to Infobox cyclist to add the maintenance category and found you have beaten me by about 30 minutes! Haha! SeveroTC 08:24, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I see :) Thank you for improving the category classification! --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 09:04, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Where place of birth is in a different country from that of registration, is it possible to display both? (Chris Froome, Dan Martin, Bodrogi, Wegelius, Nico Roche spring to mind: I'm sure there are countless others. Kevin McE (talk) 14:34, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you proposing a new parameter to the cyclist infobox that shows UCI registration country? (I'm sure you don't want it in the "place of birth" field....) We could do that, it is verifiable. Maybe start a discussion on the wikiproject? --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 14:38, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You have been replacing nationality with place of birth: I was asking whether it is possible to maintain both, at least in the cases where they are not the same. Per WP:FLAG, it is sporting nationality that we would record, so that is verifiable via registration. I now see that nationality is listed as a deprecated field, although it still works.  I agree that it should give the name of the country, not the flag. I'll bring it to WT:CYC Kevin McE (talk) 15:46, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll give articles for which the uci registration is different than their birth country the parameter uciregistration. If the outcome is that this is used for nationality, these articles are easier to trace back, and otherwise the parameter is easy to remove. --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 15:53, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:1973 Buffalo Bills season/GA2
I have responded to all your concerns at Talk:1973 Buffalo Bills season/GA2.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:29, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Tour de France during the Second World War
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Your GA nomination of 1907 Tour de France
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1973 Buffalo Bills season
Thanks for your editorial contributions. You may want to post this on your user page somewhere. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:06, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion request by author
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List of Giro d'Italia general classification winners at FLC
Hello EdgeNavidad. If possible, could you revisit this FLC and just confirm you are still in opposition (if you are) or change your comments accordingly. Thanks for your contributions to FLC, all the best, The Rambling Man (talk) 18:08, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Edge, just a quick comment about this I have just found this which lists the teams the cyclists rode for which I think was your main concern about verifiablilty. Just interested to know if this would be enough to convince you the  table is verifiable. Cheers NapHit (talk) 18:28, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is the best source possible! You'll see that this list is different from the team info in the article, and that's why the list in the old state should not be a featured list. With this source added, the information is verifiable, and if it is ever nominated again I will check the list with this source.--EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 21:20, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Gerhard Schönbacher
-- Calmer  Waters  19:13, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Grand Tour FLC
Hi Edge, I would be very grateful if you would lend your thoughts at the FLC, as its only been commented on by the FLC directors, ad I feel it needs someone with your expertise on cycling to comment on it. Cheers NapHit (talk) 23:07, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It's something on my todo-list. But I'm kinda busy these weeks, so I don't know when I will be able to do a serious review. --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 19:59, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

WP Cycling in the Signpost
"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject Cycling for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Other editors will also have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 23:45, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

1988 Giro
Thanks for the sources, the last one is very valuable. How did you find that? Does the La Gazzetta dello Sport have anything like that online, because that could really help with some information after each stage and such? I knew there was a combination classification, but I couldn't find anything about the classification on the Italian wiki. I forgot where I read it, but I saw that Hampsten won it as well. This page is sort of my main priority when editing on wiki now, just because it's the only Giro an American has won. You're not forcing me to work on this, if anything you're helping me progress.

I did take the explanation from the 08' article, or the 09' I can't remember. I was just trying to see what I was missing from each section. My ambition is to get this to a Good Article, if you were curious. Also Should you care, I plan on adding a stage by stage page with results, like the Grand Tours have for the current editions; like the top 10 stage finishers and the GC top 10.

The site that I've gotten most of the stats from for the article so far have been from this site below. For some reason you need a password to get into it, but I found a way to get around it (don't tell the owner). The only thing is that the second link, when I click on any of the classifications, it doesn't load. Does it do the same for you?


 * http://www.tour-giro-vuelta.net/data.php?q=1001&e=2&ed=111
 * http://tour-giro-vuelta.net/results.php?e=2&d=1980&ed=111&s=-6

Also since I posted this, I checked that site again, and I saw that they do have the leader of the combination classification after each stage listed. Do you think I should add it to the classification leadership section?

ThurstAsh13 (talk) 23:37, 10 August 2011 (UTC) i
 * Really? Whenever I try to access the site, it says I need a username and password and I have to google search everything in specifics to get to the page. I know it isn't too good of a source, but it is a good start in my opinion. I added the combination and the other classifications to the page. El Mundo is certainly helpful, and a solid source. Thanks for the assistance.


 * http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/photos/giro-ditalia-anglophone-invasion/172049

This picture shows Hampsten in the blue jersey but the title reads it as the intergiro jersey not the combination classification jersey.

ThurstAsh13 (talk) 21:07, 11 August 2011 (UTC)


 * What did they say? I am so bad when it comes to the copyright laws, but last night I had an urge, so I uploaded two.... my bad that they aren't legal. :/ ThurstAsh13 (talk) 14:37, 12 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay that's good. I've used all the sources that you gave me, and found three others that gave me some nice information regarding a few stages after the Gavis Pass stage. I've also been searching on the italian google for articles regarding this Giro, but there were none that were of help. The El Mundo would help a lot, if I spoke spanish, but I don't. At the bottom of the page is a button that scans it to text, but it does through a visual scan (you may already know this, but whatever) so the text is usually off so that can't be relied on. Would it be best if I just typed what I see in the articles, into the translator? ThurstAsh13 (talk) 18:17, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That works, but it's a lot of effort... Maybe there is an American newspaper with archive, that reported Hampsten's win in 1988? There are not that many open archives for 1988: it is probably easier to source the 1938 Giro! --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 18:35, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * And I see now the password needed for the tour-giro-vuelta website. Probably something was still in my cache. I'm afraid that it means it is not a good idea to use this as a source for the article, as nobody can verify it. And the pages that you found in google will probably be removed from the google cache soon... --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 18:44, 17 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I can still access it, since I have the site bookmarked on a place where I can meander through the Giro's, but not the Vuelta or Tour. Haha it probably would be easier to do that for the 1938 Giro. There might be an American Newspaper that did, but I doubt it would be much of any help. It would most likely be a short mini article that talks about how he's the first American and such. I might end up doing the copying thing, but that will take time and I might suffer from a severe case of boredom. Also, should you care, my work will be slowing down, due to school starting halfway through next week. Also for the fifteenth stage, the start was originally in Bormio, but it was moved to Spondigna (or or Spondinig?). Is there anything that I need to do to show that, in the stage table? ThurstAsh13 (talk) 20:52, 17 August 2011 (UTC)