User talk:Edinborgarstefan

Weißenburg in Bayern
Good job on expanding Weißenburg in Bayern! - Haukur Þorgeirsson 09:22, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps I could interest you in this little edit war: 

I'm currently all out of reverts (WP:3RR). - Haukur Þorgeirsson 10:27, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

hello there, terribly sorry to disturb you with this topic, but there is a new vote Talk:Weissenburg in Bayern on finally renaming it to Weißenburg in Bayern and since you have shown previous interested, I just thought I'd let you know what is going on... with kind regards. Gryffindor 22:49, 23 October 2005 (UTC) sorry I totally oversaw you already voted, my apologies! Gryffindor 22:52, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Arnaldur Indriðason
Hey, I was editing Arnaldur Indriðason, but you beat me to it! Hmpfr. You know, I'm very busy proving that I'm not a sock-poppet and therefore don't appriciate people stealing my edit-count! :p Arndisdunja 16:43, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

My RFA
Thank you for supporting my nomination till the end. I'm sorry that so much of what you've seen of Wikipedia so far has consisted of debates and arguments. It really can be a very nice place to hang around - in fact most of it is, most of the time. I hope you'll keep contributing good articles like the one on that ineffable German city :) - Haukur Þorgeirsson 22:26, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Note
I just happened to read your essay... commentary... whatever and find myself absolutely agreeing with it, so I just wanted to tell you that if there are any discussions related to this where my vote might be needed, just tell me (in case I don't notice myself). Gah. "Weiss" hurts my eyes. Cheerio! ナイトスタリオン ✉ 22:49, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Wuerzburg radar
Please note that Giflesund is a sockpuppet of the hard-banned troll Wik. He is permanently forbidden by Jimbo from editing any Wikipedia content and may be automatically reverted as and when any edits are made. --Centauri 22:56, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Dronke
Takk. - Haukur Þorgeirsson 23:21, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Depression and anxiety
Depression and anxiety are extremely common comorbidities in chronic fatigue syndrome. I think it belongs in that section. A person scanning the article could easily miss it in the plethora of the other text. Rather than getting into a revert war, I'd like for you to consider this.DocJohnny 11:15, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Addendum
Thank you for your response. I guess I am used to a certain amount of redundancy in medical texts and articles, although I can see your point as well. I do still feel that it should be mentioned for the sake of clarity and have made the adjustment in the links that you suggested. Thank you for your input. I agree that definitions are the problem here. The syndrome and its sufferers are not aided much by all the acrimonious exchanges which I believe lie at their root in inaccuracies in language and the resultant misunderstanding of causality that it engenders. I look forward to future collaborations. DocJohnny 11:14, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Faroese
Sorry, but I don't think I can help. I don't know anything about Faroese, nor do I have any references on it. (I don't know anything about Icelandic either, but at least I have references about that.) --User:Angr/talk 15:54, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

wow...
Thanks for your message. I did not have any dealing with User:CDThieme except one run-in in a voting procedure, where he strangely voted an oppose to a renaming procedure, which is still running. because of his vote, my proposal is going to be ruined now Talk:Abul-Qassim Khoei. Is it allowed to cross his vote off in this case? Gryffindor 11:54, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * HOLY COW! i can't believe this, he manipulated the vote! now i'm noticing this. ok, so what does that mean, if i deduct the quadruple votes he gave, would the proposals to rename still work? and how did users find out this person was overrepresenting himself? because i find it a bit difficult to discern. and shouldn't the sockpuppet tags be attached to the user page? you probably know how it looks like, take a look here User:Arrigo Gryffindor  14:00, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

ps: hey cool, thanks for helping me out on that vote, really appreciate it.

Babel
I think I understand what you were saying about the Babel templates now. I decided to put up a language list, and only at the last minute did I spot one for Old Norse. I didn't have time to rewrite them. Another user pointed out that they were badly written, which is what he thought you meant. So I have rewritten them. Wighson 06:40, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

sonr
That is a very beautiful vellum. It is great how many resources such as this have been uploaded to the internet; now anyone can look at them without having to travel or put on those little white gloves. You pose some very interesting questions. I moved the page to comply with efforts to standardize spelling. Personally, I prefer to leave off strong endings and diacriticals in English (to yield "Egil Skallagrimsson"), but that is not the proposed standard. I am not a palaeographer and I have no idea what the statistical average of "sonr" would be. Thus I was using only the standard reference work. I didn't think I would bother anyone by the move, but then again I could be wrong. I'll try to look at the discussion page and see if anyone prefered "son." Wighson 00:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I just left a note at Talk:Egill Skallagrímssonr inviting anyone to move it back. I can't decide either, and you made a very good point. Wighson 01:00, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Þorgeir Ljósvetningagoði
Thanks for improving my hasty English version of that page, which I made haste to make after seeing it turn up on AfD. I learned after Googling the name of the waterfall that foss is "waterfall" rather than "ravine" or "rapids", which was my impression. By all means look at the history and see if there is something I blew or something important I left out. Smerdis of Tlön 05:15, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

"Ancient Greek philology"
LOL, I've no idea where that came from. Thanks for your help. :-) Bishonen | talk 13:08, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Nightstallion
I was going to call your attention to Nightstallion's RFA but I see you're already there :) - Haukur 20:17, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Jebb, I saw it in your log :) Stefán Ingi 20:18, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikisource
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Til að stofna Wikisourcesíðu fyrir íslenzku þurfum við að tilnefna bürokrat. Hvern eigum við að draga í það embætti? Sjálfum datt mér helzt í hug þú eða Haukur. Beztu kveðjur Io 18:05, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Þannig að þú ert Bürokratinn? Ef svo er, njóttu heill! Það gleður mig, að komin sé íslenzk Wikisource. Textar munu vætla inn. Sjálfur hefi ég áhuga á að koma Stephani G., Þorsteini Erlingssyni og Einari Benediktssyni þangað inn, en Einar verður víst ekki almenningseign fyrr en 2010. Sjálfsagt er að setja hlekki í Netútgáfuna og Jörmungrund. Ég er ekki fær um að taka mikinn þátt fyrri hluta janúars, en Þerriblaðsvísur á ég þó og mig langar til að setja inn Á ferð og flugi. Beztu kveðjur Io 19:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikisource aftur
Ég veit, að þetta er smáræði, en gætirðu breytt letrinu á hnappnum Forskoða í Wikisource í Skoða? Seinni útgáfan er heldur skárri íslenzka. Beztu kveðjur Io 19:47, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Ég kláraði kvæðið Þótt þú langförull legðir, og það gekk, en mér tókst ekki að bæta við öðru skáldi (Páli Vídalín), sem ætti heima í undirflokknum Vísum. Er eitthvað sérstakt, sem maður þarf að vita. Beztu kveðjur Io 20:27, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. Mér sýnist þú þurfa að breyta http://is.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Vísur&action=edit í http://is.wikisource.org/wiki/Vísur á forsíðunni í Wikisource. Enn fremur hafa tilraunir mínar leitt til þess, að á kerfissíðunni Titlalisti, sem ég má ekki breyta, eru vísurnar tvíteknar. Þú mættir fjarlægja augljósu villuna. En hvernig kemur maður nýjum greinum inn á skammlausan hátt? (Ég er nýr í þessu, en mun vonandi vitkast, svo að þú gætir sem bezt bent mér á einhvern idiotsikker hlekk.) Beztu kveðjur (og fyrst ég gleymdi því áðan), gleðilegt ár. :) Io 21:54, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, ég gefst upp í bili. Ég hefi örugglega skilið eftir mig einhvern sóðaskap undir Vísum og á því biðst ég afsökunar. Beztu kveðjur Io 22:25, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

RfC
See Requests for comment/Edinborgarstefan --Francis Schonken 19:12, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Möppudýr
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Hve langan tíma tekur að útnefna möppudýr? Ég er algerlega sáttur við, að þú ríkir þarna sem alvaldur eða heimildadrottinn eða undir hvaða titli þú annars kýst þér. Hins vegar virðist vera erfiðleikum bundið að setja texta inn. Þú gerðir mér greiða, ef þú snyrtir fyrir mig titlasíðuna. Hún er sóðug og það er mér að kenna. Beztu kveðjur Io 20:45, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Takk fyrir svarið. Ég mun láta leka frá mér texta eftir því sem tími vinnst til. En hvernig ber maður sig að við að setja nýjan flokk á forsíðuna, t. d. rímur, ný skáld etc? Ég las kóðann og sá fátt hjálplegt. En ekki stressa þig út af þessu. Þú hefir unnið mjög gott verk og þetta kemst allt í gagnið líklega fyrr en síðar. Beztu kveðjur. Io 20:58, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * PS: Ef þetta er heimskuleg spurning í ljósi leiðbeininga þinna, þá verður svo að hafa. :-) Beztu kveðjur Io 21:01, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Ö
Ö is definitely not a diphtong. It is apparently a wide-spread belief that any Icelandic vowel with any sort of diacritic is a diphtong, but that is not the case. You don't even need a book to make sure of that. Cheerio Io 22:59, 15 January 2006 (UTC)


 * As any German speaker can attest, it's an umlaut instead. ;) &mdash; Nightstallion (?) 23:26, 15 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Hljóðritunin á Vatnajökli er rétt núna, nema hvað l-ið í endann á að vera óraddað. Ég reyndi að bæta úr þessu, en þá lenti hringurinn undir t-inu. Kanntu ráð? Beztu kveðjur Io 18:16, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Jæja, fyrst þú vilt rita ensku hér. :) The ring appears under the t as is. Do we have a solution, perhaps by combining symbols, l + ring_under or whatever it is called? Cheerio Io 18:53, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Órödduð hljóð
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Það kemur í ljós við tilraunir, að til að hringurinn, sem táknar raddleysi, lendi undir réttum staf, þarf að hafa eyðu á milli stafsins og hringsins. T. d. kemur tl&amp;#805; svona út tl̥, en tl &amp;#805; svona tl ̥. Ætti þar með Vatnajökull að vera leystur. Beztu kveðjur Io 19:09, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Búinn að breyta þessu. Þetta kemur vel út. Kveðja Io 19:13, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Laozi
Sorry not to have responded sooner (I somehow missed your message until now). Thanks for the information &mdash; I agree that it does change things somewhat, though I don't think that there was consensus even with the sock-puppet votes included. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 11:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Brunswick/Braunscweig
Hey Edinborgarstefan, can you point me to the discussion where ppl discussed whether it was Brunswick or Braunschweig? I changed it to Brunswick last time because the people on the [|FAC] asked me to. I did bring it up on the talk page, where I didn't get a definitive answer (and only one reply). The naming convention on the geographical pages is a mess actually. It's strange that we have the article on the city and region at "Braunschweig" but the article for the state is at Brunswick-Lüneburg. Borisblue 15:13, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually I don't mind either usage- just consistency (in the Gauss article both Brunswick and Braunscweig were used before i edited it). Either Brunswick-Lüneburg or Braunschweig should be moved imho. Borisblue 17:18, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Three weeks of admin tools
Today three weeks have passed since I was granted access to the administrator toolbox. During this time I have made use of it in the following way:


 * Protections and unprotections: 1
 * Blocks and unblocks: 4
 * Deletions and restorations: 69
 * Rollbacks: 246

I've found that the rollback tool is much more useful than I'd thought for vandalism patrol. In fact it makes that task so easy that I've been doing it more than before. On the other hand I've been surprised by how little the blocking tool is needed. Having done a significant amount of vandalism patrol I have still only blocked one solitary vandal. The great majority of addresses which send out a vandal edit do so only once. Those who do it more often usually stop after a warning or two. Only rarely is a block actually needed and in those cases someone usually beats me to it.

As a side note I haven't retired from writing articles either. I'm still hoping to bring Freyr up to featured status but even though I've already performed more edits on it than on Hrafnkels saga back in the day, a lot of work remains to be done. Community expectations for featured articles have gone up and so have my own ambitions. I'm currently waiting for a couple of books I ordered to arrive and then I may be able to make the final push.

I'm trying my best to live up to the trust you showed in me by supporting my RFA. If ever you feel uncertain whether I'm using the admin tools in the best interests of the project, let me know. I am at any time willing to relinquish the mop and reapply for it to address concerns people have and ensure that I'm not using the admin tools without being trusted to do so. Haukur 22:35, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Hadingus
Sko, ég held að "war" geti alveg virkað sem sögn. En hvað um það. Fáðu þér pywikipedia - þá geturðu gert svona kúl disambig-edit eins og ég. Gaman líka að hamast úr skipanalínunni. Ekkert vesen, bara python-pakki. Haukur 19:01, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm, já það er nú sennilega rétt, það voru bara of mörg orð sem rötuðu ekki í rétta orðflokka þegar ég las þetta fyrst. Af hverju hafðirðu annars mest allan textan í nútíð? En vaðandi pywikipediu þá er ég hræddur um að ég þurfi að eyða minni tíma hérna í fyrirsjáanlegri framtíð og það að sækja eitthvað svona myndi örugglega ekki stuðla að því. Stefán Ingi 10:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Jæja, þabbaraþabb. Já, spurning um tíðina... Mér finnst e-n veginn eins og með því að hafa söguna í þátíð gefi maður í skyn að verið sé að lýsa sögulegum atburðum en ekki bara gera útdrátt úr bók. Bráðum fæ ég kannski nýja tölvu og þá get ég haft MSN aftur... Haukur 10:38, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Sælir, þið gaurar!

Ég veit nokkurn veginn, hvað Python gengur út á, en þarf maður að læra eitt tölvumál í viðbót til að verða liðtækur? Beztu kveðjur Io 19:19, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Þjóðernishyggja
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Ég er með sömu bón til þín og Hauks, þ. e. að tjá þig á síðunni Articles_for_deletion/Icelandic_nationalism. Síðan var ákaflega vond áður en ég fór að fikta í henni. Núna er hún bara vond, og auk þess gagnslaus. Beztu kveðjur Io 20:18, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

your input
hi Edinborgstefan, how are you? You seem to be knowledgeable in this area and was wondering if you could take a look at the discussion that is taking place here, Talk:Meißen porcelain, thank you. with kind regards Gryffindor  09:56, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

you r right, it's Rudi Krugman mentions him
But in official citations of books and articles the late Rudiger Dornbusch is always (almost) referred to as Rudi by those who known who is is already. In an encyclopedia, many people may not already be trade or international finance economists. John wesley 13:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You are right. It doesn't matter to me either, Though we should see if Rudiger Dornbusch has an article on wiki, cuz ello era mas famoso. John wesley 15:52, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't remember, did we link him to the overshoot model? John wesley 20:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Ancient Greek wikisource
There is an ongoing initiative to create a Wikisurce in Ancient Greek. Please provide your comments at meta:Requests_for_new_languages/Ancient.  A n d r e a s    (T) 13:19, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Strasse des 17 Juni
I am not an administrator so my method of moving these articles around may not have been correct. But Strasse des 17 Juni is the better version because: 1. "ß" is not a letter of the English alphabet, 2. it is a better article. Please abolish the other article by whatever means is appropriate. Adam 14:05, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Straßennamen
I see you started a move request to get Wilhelmstrasse moved to Wilhelmstraße, where I would say it belongs. Do you think it would be possible to have a more general vote covering all German and Austrian street names ending in "-straße", to decide whether they should be spelt with -ss- or -ß-? Or would that be seen as undermining the more general ß policy (or lack thereof)? It seems silly to have many small votes (and I see you've been involved in several, er…, discussions about this recently), when we could have one larger one and have done with it. I deliberately exclude Switzerland, where the spelling rules are different. What do you think? --Stemonitis 08:51, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it's clear that people supporting the Wilhelmstraße move would support moves of other Strasses in Germany and Austria but I'm not so interested in setting it up. Maybe we can see how this one goes and take it from there? I chose the Wilhelmstrasse to take to WP:RM because it was the most detailed article. The problem with all of this is that Adam Carr has been writing quite good articles on streets in Berlin and I tend to like to let the people writing the articles decide on the names, although not when they write new articles on subjects which we already have articles on at other places. However, what was going on between Angr and Adam clearly had to be stopped and that was what I was trying to do with this proposed move. Stefán Ingi 12:57, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

IPA
I think I'm beginning to understand and agree with your efforts concerning the IPA tag. Would you be so kind as to place one on the article about Kraków, for me. Some of my computer skills need tutoring. Dr. Dan 02:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * You placed the tag on the Algirdas article. Maybe I don't understand the purpose of the tag, or perhaps your understanding of when where it should be applied. Can you elucidate? Dr. Dan 12:53, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Would such a tag be appropriate on the article about Kemal Attaturk? If so, will you do so? Dr. Dan 15:23, 23 June 2006 (UTC) When you have time of course.


 * What is your level of knowledge in Lithuanian? Dr. Dan 20:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Now I'm really confused. You know nothing about Lithuanian, yet you put up the IPA tags in several articles. You say you know nothing about the Turkish language, and this is why you can't put up the same tag on Attaturk. So what gives, or what's the difference? Dr. Dan 20:58, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
For attempting to achieve a compromise. --Molobo 15:12, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Diacritics in Rosa-Luxemburg-Strasse article
I put back the diacritics in the article without looking at the history, I am sorry about that, but now that I have done it, I think it looks better than before, and I hope you don't mind. Blur4760 11:37, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Vo[ ]stra[ ]e
I appreciate your stepping in to our squabble; I think in this case a third party is exactly what was needed. --Stemonitis 13:21, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Apparently though, considering Adam's latest comments, only one side seems to appreciate this. Stefán Ingi 13:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Wilhelmstrasse Survey Results

 * Please see Talk:Wilhelmstrasse. Decision time :-(
 * --Philip Baird Shearer 13:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Óláfs ríma Haraldssonar
I've just found the first ríma in a 19th century Old Norse reader. Think we should put it on Wikisource? And maybe write an article? Haukur 14:06, 18 July 2006 (UTC) <!-- 1. Ólafr konungr örr ok fríðr átti Noregi at ráða, gramr var við bragna blíðr, borinn til sigrs ok náða.

2. Döglingr hélt svá dýran heiðr dróttni himna hallar, engi skýrir örvameiðr öðlings frægðir allar.

3. Mildingr hafði mentir þær er mestar váru í heimi, hvergi frægra hilmi fær hvárki af gleði né seimi.

4. Fimm hefir konungr kristnat lönd, kann ok öll at nefna, gramr vill jafnan rjóða rönd ok rangan úsið hefna.

5. Rán ok stuldi refsti hann, ok r&oelig;ktar stjórn í landi, hilmir lagði á heiðni bann ok hefndi stórt með brandi.

6. Gramr nam lögmál setja svá at seggir þoldu valla, dáligan lét hann dauða fá dróttins svikara alla.

7. Rekkar ýfðust ræsi á mót ok rétti harðla sönnum, váru konungi heimsklig hót hafin af sjálfs síns mönnum.

8. Hárekr var fyrir brögnum bystr búinn að stríða stilli, Þórir Hundr er þann veg lystr, þriði var Kálfr enn illi.

9. Kálfr var fyrr með konungi sá kærr í öllum ráðum, nú er hann horfinn hilmi frá, heiðri sviptr ok dáðum.

10. Þr&oelig;ndir géngu Þóri á hönd þeim var ljúft at herja, háleysk þjóð vill rjóða rönd ok ríkit konungi verja.

11. Fylkir ríkr, frægr ok mildr fréttir samnað þenna, þá vill hilmr hraustr ok gildr hvergi undan renna

12. Bragningr lætr byrja ferð bónda múg í móti, hann vill jafnan hræra sverð ok herða skot með spjóti.

13. Siklingr hafði samnat þá sínum görpum snjöllum, lofðungs kann ek lýði at tjá, langt bar gramr af öllum.

14. Hlýri konungs var harðla ungr, hann vil ek fyrstan nefna, víst nam Haraldr þykkju þungr þrændum stríð at hefna.

15. „Get ek ei hrotta höggvit rönd“, Haraldr talar við garpa, „bindi menn við mína hönd mæki þann enn snarpa“.

16. Rögnvaldr var mildr ok merkr með konungi góða, Brúsa sun nam brigða sterkr brand í dreyra at rjóða.

17. Finnr Árnasun frækn og hraustr fylgir jöfri sterkum, Björn stallari tryggr ok traustr, trúr vel sæsi merkum.

18. Sá var annarr Árna mögr, ýtar Þorberg kalla, hann lét stálin stinn ok fögr í sterkum hlífum gjalla.

19. Þormóðr var við Kolbrún kendr, konungsins skáldit dýra, sá barr hvassar hyggju strendr hvar sem garpar stríða.

20. Náðust menn í niflungs flokk nær sem risar at líta, þeir hafa bragnar brynju rokk brandi skorit enn hvíta.

21. Géngu fram fyr konungsins kné ok kvöddu stilli enn teita, buðu þeir bæði fylgð ok fé frægum sjóla at veita.

22. Gramr réð spyrja garpa þá: „gerit mér heiti at inna, trú skulu greina seggir svá, at satt megi til þess finna“.

23. Opt hafa þegnar þrjózku hefnt, þat mun engi lasta, Gaukaþóri hafa gumnar nefnt glaðan ok Hafrafasta.

24. „Treystum vér á mátt ok megn, er margan riddara prýðir, öngva hafa af ásum fregn okkrir sterki lýðir“.

25. „Taki þér heldr helga trú himna konungs með blóma, virðar! kastit villu nú ok verit með oss í sóma“.

26. Lýðir gerðu lykt á því at leysa þenna vanta, skírnar brunn fara skatnar í, ok skynda guði til handa.

27. Þrekstórr kom til þengils maðr, þann frá ek Arnljót heita, tók hann skírn ok gékk þó glaðr grams í flokkinn teita.

28. Garpar fleiri at fylki renn' en fyrðar mega þat telja, siklingr nam sœmdarmenn sér til liðs at velja.

29. Kálfr hafði múga manns, merkta völlu víða, níðingligt var nærsta hans niflung þeim at stríða.

30. Bjálfa klæddist hörðum Hundr ok hans sveitungar margir, þat hafa geysi grimligt undr gert búfinnar argir.

31. Ræsir talar við Þorgils þá, þat var mest af prýði: „þér vil ek silfr í sjóði fá, þú seð með auma lýði!“

32. Þorgils hugsar þengils mál: „þér innit framar hóti; gef fyrir þeirra garpa sál, er ganga oss í móti.

33. Herrinn drífr á hilmis fund, at heyja ímun stranga, svá var þrútin þeirra lund at þraut varð fram at gana.

34. Múginn þessi geysar gegn gram með sárum vilja, lögðu á orku ok alt sitt megn jöfr við land at skilja.

35. Á Stiklastöðum var róman remd ríkum konungi móti, þar váru sköpt með höndum hremd ok hörðu kastat grjóti.

36. Hárekr eggjar herlið sitt, heitr mörgum sóma: „lúki garpar geysi strítt gram fyrir harða dóma!“

37. Góða sverðit Hneitir hét, hafði gramr til víga þar; þarfyrir margan þengill lét þegn at jörðu hníga.

38. Gumnar hlaupa geystir fram grams fyrir merkit væna reisa þanneg randa glam ok rista skjöldu grœna.

39. Gellini tók at geysast hart, ok gerði rómu stranga, sannliga lét hann seggja mart sáran dauða fanga.

40. Árna synir sinn unda naðr einart drógu af magni, kendist ei svá klókr maðr, kœmi hlíf at gagni.

41. Þormóðr nam brytja bráð bleikum fálu hesti, varði konung með dygð ok dáð, darra el hann hvesti.

42. Þórir hundr þrautar gildr þreif sitt spjótit snarpa, laga var hann ok höggva mildr við harða konungsins garpa.

43. Þorsteinn hét sá er Þóri viðr þar nam fram at ganga; sá var kendr knarrar smiðr kominn í villu stranga.

44. Konungrinn hjó til Þóris þá, þat frá ek undrum sætti: ekki beit hann bjálfann á, brátt sem grjóti mœtti.

45. Bjórn stallar bystr ok reiðr barði Hund í móti, síðan hné við sannan heiðr seggr á Þoris spjóti.

46. Þorgeirr vóð í randa regn, ræsi náði at finna, snarr réð konungr þrjózkum þegn þessi orð at inna:

47. „Þeygi gerir þú, Þorgeirr! rétt, at þröngirmönnum mínum, lypta ek þér af lágri stétt, lokit mun sigri þínum“.

48. Konungrinn hjó með Hneiti þá, svá hrauð af eggjum báðum, Þorgeirr dauðr á lyngi lá, lífi sviptr ok dáðum.

49. Þorsteinn réð á þengils kné þunnri öxi at sníða, síðan lét hann líf með fé ok féll í ánauð sríða.

50. Björtum varp sér brandi frá buðlungs höndin mæta, sjóli bar með sönnu þá sjálfan guð sín gæta.

51. Þórir lagði í konungsins kvið köldum snótar ráðum, hilmis sál tók hæstan frið himna grams með náðum•

52. Kálfr hjó til bragnings bystr, batt sér þungan vanda, ramliga var hann á reiði lystr, ræsi þeim at granda.

53. Myrkri sló yfir menn ok hjörð við mildings dýran dauða, litu þá hvárki lög né jörð, lýð aflar þat nauða.

54. Þá komk Dagr með drengi sín' darra þing at heyja, margr hlaut við mikla pín maðr af sút at deyja.

55. Œsilig var odda hríð undrum frá ek þat gegna, mátti ekki meira stríð af málma leiki fregna.

56. Hræðilig var hjörva gnauð, harðar brynjur sprungu; drengir féngu dapra nauð, dörr á hlífum sungu.

57. Stórt var þetta manna mót, mest kom hljálp til bragna; daufir féngu ok blindir bót, bjúgir heilsu fagna.

58. Þorgils geymdi þengils lík, þat fór heldr af hljóði; maðr tók sýn fyrir merkin slík af mætu konungsins blóði.

59. Fróni er huldr fylkir mætr, firðr nauð ok grandi, líkami konungs var mildr ok mætr mánuðr tólf í sandi.

60. Þeim kom virðum vándslig þraut, at vísis féngu reiði, geislar skinu um grund á braut grams af dýru leiði.

61. Lýðir tóku upp líkama hans, lutu þá konungi snjöllum, hár ok negl var heilags manns hátt at vexti öllum.

62. Hildings taka þá helgan dóm halir í skrín at leggja, nú er Krists et bjarta blóm ok blíðust miskunn seggja.

63. Dróttni fœrði öðlingr önd, ýtum líkam seldi, nú er hann Guðs á hœgri hönd himins í œztu veldi.

64. Buðlungs heiðr er bjartr ok ríkr bæði um lönd ok geima, fœddist engi fylkir slíkr fyrri norðr í heima.

65. Reiðst þú ei, þó þengill! þér þyrða ek vísu at bjóða, biðr ek Ólaf bjarga mér við bragning allra þjóða. -->
 * Yes, it is very interesting and by all means we should put it on wikisource and I will help writing it up -- but I cannot do it tonight. Stefán Ingi 21:29, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * There's no hurry, it's waited 600 years :) Haukur 21:53, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Snilld! Ætlarðu ekki að skella þessu á Wikiheimildina? Best að skrifa svo stubb um þetta hérna og kannski á íslenskunni líka. Haukur 19:48, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

An invitation to discuss Icelandic terminology
The user Haukurth suggested that I ask you for the Icelandic translations of certain words. A discussion has begun at The movement of Fróði on his talk page; care to contribute your expertise? Doremítzwr 14:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I have written a long spiel explaining the context of the terminology on Haukurth’s Talk Page. Thanks again for your help. Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 04:07, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I’ve responded to your very helpful translations on Haukur’s Talk Page. Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 05:00, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Help with translations
I'm currently working on a script intended to create short articles on political parties on a variety of wikipedias simultaneously. However, in order for the technique to work I need help with translations to various languages. If you know any of the languages listed at User:Soman/Lang-Help, then please help by filling in the blanks. For example I need help with several Indian languages, including Icelandic. Thanks, --Soman 12:50, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Þ, Ð and Phonetics
Firstly thanks for the thankes. But don't mind to adjust any mistakes or inconvenient collocations of anything. I'm not a linguist myself, and what I know about Icelandic IPA transcription is actually a "collage" of things I have seen in many places and that I think suit better to what I occasionally hear when I'm lucky enough to hear Icelandic being spoken. I actually know much less than I seem to. For example, the question about the Great Vowel Shift: I actually know almost nothing about the subject, and it was mostly a wild guess of what it could have been. So we'd better leave Icelandic unchanged in the article and wait for someone with better experience adjust it. Finally, I would like to thank you for helping me learn a bit more of Icelandic phonology (which by the way deserves an article). Ciacchi 21:11, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Gaudy Night
I do not understand your reasons for removing Gaudy Night form the University of Oxford. It is one of the most famous Oxford-based books, set in an Oxford College. The hero and heroine are Oxford graduates and this is the one Lord Peter book set almost entirely in Oxford. It should be replaced. --Bduke 23:33, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean any harm by removing this particular book, I had not heard of it before. Can I ask why you say that it is one of the most famous Oxford-based books? Is is more famous than the other Lord Peter Wimsey books and is it better known to take place at Oxford than the other crime fiction mentioned, which are whole series set at Oxford? Stefán Ingi 23:51, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I have replied on Talk:University of Oxford. I suggest we keep the discussion there. --Bduke 01:14, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Meissen
Rather than moving the article away from the established English form right away, please use the talk page and WP:RM as you suggested earlier. It is hypocritical to say one thing and do another. There currently is a discussion on the talk page. Charles 23:30, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes I was commenting on the talk page but there was an edit conflict as you had moved it again. It's probably safer to put the comment here. I was just going to say that you are certainly presenting valid arguments but I don't agree with them and I think that it is not surprising to see Meißen in an English language publication. Anyway, I'm off to bed now. Stefán Ingi 23:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Surprising it may not be, but rare it is. At any rate, good night. Charles 23:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Wilhelmstrasse
One day when I have nothing better to do I will visit the Icelandic Wikipedia and start changing all the articles so that they conform to English usages. I will be quite as justified in doing that as you are in imposing ß and other non-English usages on the English Wikipedia. Adam 14:54, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Feel free, the Icelandic wikipedia a wiki. Bear in mind though that the community there might decide not to keep your modifications, but I'm not very active there so I couldn't really say how they will react. Stefán 15:11, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

WHAT THE FUCK??
http://www.kurir-info.co.yu/dnevne-vesti/index.shtml

http://www.kurir-info.co.yu/dnevne-vesti/PDF/01.pdf

http://www.kurir-info.co.yu/dnevne-vesti/V-04-14092006.shtml

Actual paper when hes atacking Church:

http://www.kurir-info.co.yu/dnevne-vesti/Slike/vesti/0501.jpg

http://www.kurir-info.co.yu/dnevne-vesti/Slike/vesti/0502.jpg

Ok,now Im giving you proves tfor something that everyone in Serbian already knows.Can you be do me a favour and revert it to my changes,so I dont ahve to do it again.Thanks

And apology would also be nice
 * Well, Kurir doesn't seem a very reliable source so I probably was justified in removing these edits. Stefán 15:49, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

what??????????????????KURIR IS NUMBER 1 SELLING DAILY NEWSPAPER IN SERBIA,WITH OVER 500.000. OF COPIES SELLED IN SUCH A SMALL COUNTRY AS SERBIA.SO CAN YOU PLEASE STOP SAYING THAT.ON THE OTHER SIDE,THIS LITTLE TROLL GAVE YOU LINKS TO B92 SITE,WHILE EVERYONE KNOWS THAT B92 IS A PRIVATE FOREIGN PAID SITE.SO,KURIR IS VERY RELIABLE,MORE THEN ANY OTHER DAILY NEWSPAPER IN SERBIA
 * The number of readers is not a very good indicator of the reliability of the paper. In any case, if these claims are true it should not be difficult to find another source for the claims. Stefán 16:20, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Last two links I gave you are actualy scaned original writings of Draskovic from back in the day.I dont know how can you say that Kurir aint reliable when it sells daily more then your whole countries population.Anyways,analize last two links and you ll see that its just scaned original.

Using English words when they exist.
Could you explain this belief of yours? I'm quite puzzled. 65.80.244.202 22:55, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I will reply on Talk:Franz Josef Strauß Stefán 00:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

the REAL name: Trentino-Alto Adige
So I did some research and checked with some pretty credible sources as to what they print, in ENGLISH, for the name of this region (and province) in Italy.


 * Fodor's - a well recognized and respected name (and expert guide) has regional and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".


 * Michelin - also expert in travel guides - has regional and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bozen".


 * Rand McNally (name speaks for itself) has world, regional, and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".


 * Streetwise Map's regional, and local publications show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".


 * Dorling Kindersley or "DK" - by far, probably the best travel guides available - has regional and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".


 * Lonely Planet (the self-proclaimed largest independently-owned travel guide) regional, and local publications show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".


 * Hammond Map - a subsidiary of Langenscheidt Publishing Group (a privately-held German publishing company) - has regional and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

As far as proof, I am quite sure that the above sources are credible enough, especially in the sense of geographical knowledge, expertise, and English-translation. Rarelibra 04:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sure I haven't come close to discussing this question for over a year so I am not really interested in this Stefán 19:13, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Why did you move Sigurdur Thorarinsson without prior discussion?
Why did you move this article without any discussion on its talk page? This is not acceptable conduct on your part. Pages should not be moved unilaterally without discussion. Also, your move violates the guidelines in Naming conventions (use English), which states: ''Article titles should use the Latin alphabet, not any other alphabets or other writing systems such as syllabaries or Chinese characters. However, any non-Latin-alphabet native name should be given within the first line of the article (with a Latin-alphabet transliteration if the English name does not correspond to a transliteration of the native name). Also, a non-Latin-alphabet redirect could be created to link to the actual Latin-alphabet-titled article.'' In addition, official policy on Naming conventions states: Generally, article naming should prefer to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize. My original choice of article name and redirect was carefully chosen to abide by both the official policy and the guideline. You have chosen to violate them, unilaterally and with no discussion. Why?

Your reasoning, as listed in the edit summary, says that this is "in line with other Icelandic articles". But that is irrelevant. He is known worldwide as Sigurdur Thorarinsson, and only so, not by the proper Icelandic spelling of Sigurður Þórarinsson. The biggest problem of all is that the characters "ð" and "Þ" do not render properly in older browsers, if I view the page in a 2002 version of Internet Explorer, it is now a complete mess due to your changes. Many people around the world continue to use older computers and outdated software out of necessity or poverty, and it is important to support them.

You have made a number of other changes to the article which are completely wrong. The name listed on his PhD thesis is Sigurdur Thorarinsson, not Sigurður Þórarinsson. I have a copy of his thesis in front of me right now, but you certainly do not. . . so why did you change the author? In addition, the overwhelming majority of his published work has the name spelled as Sigurdur Thorarinsson. In a bibliography, is not correct to change the author's name to a different one than listed on the original paper or book.

At least you should have had the courtesy to post a question on Talk:Sigurdur Thorarinsson (and on my talk page too, as I am the creator of that page) prior to taking any unilateral actions. --Seattle Skier (talk) 07:23, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * To comply with Naming conventions and Naming conventions (use English), I have moved the article back. I have also fixed the erroneous changes to his thesis title and other places.  In doing so, I have tried my best to retain your positive contributions to the article (lyricist, etc.).  Please remember that this is the English wikipedia, and certain compromises in the accuracy of names using non-Latin alphabets are necessary, in order to make articles readable by the largest possible number of users worldwide.  You are free to contribute to the Icelandic wikipedia if you feel so strongly about using the Icelandic alphabet.  They do not currently have an article on Sigurður_Þórarinsson.  Thanks.  --Seattle Skier (talk) 07:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Pages get moved on Wikipedia all the time without discussion. If it turns out there are differences of opinion then the page can be moved back and the move can be discussed. I will post my argument for my preference on the talk page later today and then we can have the discussion there. Regards, Stefán 18:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It is always better to discuss changes first, especially when moving or altering a new article created by someone else which is very much an initial work in progress. Your unilateral actions were extremely rude and uncivil. You should always discuss moves like this, to avoid offending other editors (as you have offended me in this case).
 * Put yourself in my shoes: what if you had started an article on someone from a foreign country, worked hard to research it, and made your best effort to abide by the naming conventions and also include the proper alternate spellings. Then you woke up the next morning to find that someone had come in, moved it to a new title, and changed the spelling everywhere in the article, all without any notice or discussion.  Wouldn't you be upset and hurt?
 * Stefán, you need to more carefully consider the consequences of your actions on other editors, and work collaboratively with them instead of taking drastic unilateral actions which are certain to cause ill-feelings. --Seattle Skier (talk) 23:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I should have tread more carefully. I think there are many arguments which can be put forward for either form of the title, but perhaps now is not the time to go into them. Anyway, you were quickly able to revert my change, but it caused a lot of stress and I am sorry for that. I do hope we will be able to work collaboratively on the article. Stefán 04:38, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your conciliatory words, I am no longer upset over the situation. I also hope that we are able to work collaboratively on the article, but I will leave it aside now for at least a few days.  I've left a longer response on the article talk page.  --Seattle Skier (talk) 18:35, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'm glad the effects of my rash actions weren't long lasting. I think we may have complementary points to contribute to the article so a collaboration could be very useful. Probably, however, I will have other (real-life) things to focus on for a while now so it may take me a while to contribute. Stefán 18:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

icelandic diphthong in long o?
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Icelandic_language and http://groups.google.com/group/sci.lang/browse_frm/thread/06f17ccc59676926?scoring=d&#

--Sonjaaa 21:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Iceland
Maybe you are interested in this project... If you think there is someone else who might be interested, please spread the word. --Michkalas 14:22, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Reference Desk
[Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Language#back--not_a_preposition.3F Please try to be less abusive in your comments]. Corvus cornix 23:55, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the confusing use of pronouns. Please assume good faith. Stefán 00:04, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Icelandic language
Please show your support for WikiProject Iceland by voting for the Icelandic language article for the Article Creation and Improvement Drive! To place your vote, please click here! Max Naylor 09:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Níðhöggr
You asked "what does this last addition have to do with Níðhöggr?"


 * In the book Book of Night with Moon by Diane Dwayne, the alternate world they enter is dominated by a giant tree, similar to Yggdrasil. When they reached the bottom, the "Lone Power" had taken the form of a giantsnake gnawing at the root of the tree. (emphasis mine)

From the article: "In Norse mythology, Níðhöggr (Malice Striker, often anglicized Nidhogg) is a dragon who eats the roots of the World Tree, Yggdrasill." (emphasis mine)

That seems like a pretty direct reference. No? --Geniac 14:10, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * So is it a snake or a dragon? In any case, I don't mind you adding this to the article on Níðhöggr provided you have a source which confirms that this is in fact a reference to Níðhöggr. Stefán 18:19, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I think a snake is similar enough to a dragon that this is a recognizable reference. I don't particularly care if this bullet point is included in the article or not; especially not without a definite source with somebody pointing this out as a reference. --Geniac 18:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * One reason why a reliable source would be very important here is that this seems a very confused reference. Perhaps the author was referring to Jörmungandr who is a snake. From the text you wrote, I am not even sure whether Yggdrasill is actually mentioned by name, if not, there are many other references to trees and serpents in various mythologies. Stefán 18:49, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. Please note that I didn't write that text; I've added a welcome and message about sources to User talk:64.252.184.15. --Geniac 19:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Right, I missed that point. Thanks. Stefán 20:05, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Image-remove - Stefán
Dear Stefán, I don't think that the removal is that good. At least, you get some information from the statistics, esp. in Jón, where you can see, that the popularity is on a high level, but decreasing the past few years. Why should that be a worthless information? Best regards, Jón 17:47, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The graph doesn't tell me that. It says that there are fewer people named Jón in the last few years. Is that because Jón is less popular than before or because there are fewer Icelanders born than before? If there are actually more Icelanders being born each year then the popularity of Jón is decreasing faster than the graph shows. Furthermore, from the graph there appears to be a huge increase in the popularity of Jón in the 1950's, but actually the data doesn't show that at all, just that there are more people alive born Jón in the 1950's than in the 1920's. A graph based on this data can never be anything but misleading so it is better left out. A table showing the percentage of people named Jón divided into decades might be interesting, but the problem is that it is not obvious how to make that table. See also the discussion I raised at the Icelandic wikipedia. Stefán 18:20, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I see the problems you have mentioned here. Indeed, it might be a little bit misleading, but at least, it shows the general trend. Ok, I'm fine with the removal. Regarding "Stefán" - what do you think about the last arguments (that in Iceland the first names are used like the surnames in other countries) ? I think that should show that the disambiguation should be in the English WP... best regards, Jón 19:12, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think there is value in that first name vs. last name argument and have edited the article to try and emphasize it more. Stefán 19:25, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have done this in Jón, too. So, do you still think it should be deleted? Best regards, Jón 19:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Those "new" sources explain Armenians are there over 4000 years
You obviously didnt look at the new sources I put there, which do prove Armenians are there over 4000 years. I did notice however only one of the sources was inaccurate, perhaps I'll remove that "one", which is inaccurate, it will leave with 5 accurate sources. 75.17.8.93 02:30, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I am not so much complaining that you want to include sources, but rather that you are using these sources to turn reality upside down. I agree that the theory you want to promote exists, but it is not held by most western sources as you claim. Let's try a compromise. Stefán 02:39, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

You know this part where it says --> "A competing view suggested by Thomas Gamkrelidze and Vyacheslav V. Ivanov in 1984 places the Proto-Indo-European homeland in the Armenian Highland". This is not without supporters first off, but Kuro-Araxes culture in the 3rd millenium BC had Indo-European presence located in modern Armenia. Not only that, but this is all backed up by "Ancient Records" identified with Armenians, not just the Armani record of 3rd millenium BC, but many other ones following this record, like Ermenen in the 2nd millenium BC, mentions by not one, but two Pharaohs in the 2nd millenium BC. Also, Xenophon, makes a powerful point that Armenian is like Persian, rather then his tongue Greek. So Herodotus was not referring to "all" Armenians there serving under Xerxes, at that time. There has been a lot of confusions of Armenian history. Its interesting we call ourselves Hay, and not Armenians, as Armen is also in the other Aryan-IE peoples names like in Persians and Germans, etc. 75.17.8.93 03:18, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course there is some evidence which can be viewed to support the Armenian hypothesis, otherwise the hypothesis would never have been put forward. However, mainstream sources reject the hypothesis and assume that the formation of the Armenian peoples took place in around the 8th century BC. The issue is not which one of these hypothesis I believe, the task of Wikipedia is to represent the mainstream view most prominently. Replacing mainstream with other as you did in this edit is out of line with this task of Wikipedia. (Also, this edit did not improve the grammar of the article.) Finally, I am mystified how it helps your argument that Xenophon thought that Armenian, which he didn't speak, sounded like some other language. As an analogy, I have heard people who don't speak Icelandic say that it sounds like German, Russian etc. Such a comment doesn't really give me much insight into the origin of Icelanders. Stefán 03:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

You didnt understand what I meant from Xenophon? I said since mainstream think Armenian is like Greek, (and no its not I know this by fact, cause I also know Persian, and even modern Persian is amazingly still very near), thats why I pointed out that this Greek historian was saying Armenian sounded like Persian. If it sounded like his native tongue, he would simply say Armenian is like Greek. You get why I mentioned that now? 75.17.8.93 03:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

All this confusion is from Herodotus and Urartu, I dont agree that Urartu was only Armenians, but populated by Armenians is true. Urartian actually migrated in that Iron Age, rather the mainstream western people think otherwise. I already mentioned the Indo-European(Aryan) presence in the Highlands, and all these Records from the ancient times. Its interesting the Akkadian record of Armani, also read Armanu, means apricot as they mentioned in the inscriptions. Something to do with apricot, and this is amazing cause, the Armenian fruit is apricot, like the main fruit. Just like Ararat is the main symbol for Armenia and Armenians. 75.17.8.93 03:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Why do you say that the mainstream argument is that "Armenian is like Greek"? Graeco-Aryan language doesn't seem to have much support. Stefán 04:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Did you read my further comments by the way? Im saying cause they only use Herodotus's quote of "Armenians armed liked the Phrygians", being Phrygian settlers. Whether this is referring to all Armenians or some is unclear. Obviously considering all the evidence, its some Armenians who at the time, were serving under Xerxes, and both of these people were armed similar. Doesnt mean we are from Balkans or Greek "type" language. In fact there is more similar words *laugh* with Persians and Greeks. 75.17.8.93 04:07, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Greek mitar Persian madar (mother) Armenian *laugh* mayr

Greek pitar Persian pedar (father) Armenian hayr (where is Armenian more similar to Greco-Armenian hypothesis??)

Greek germe Persian garme (warm) Armenian is jerme

Greek ofghanos Persian oghyanos (ocean) etc etc. 75.17.8.93 04:08, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You say. Doesnt mean we are from Balkans or Greek "type" language. Ok, fine. But as I said, I don't think that the mainstream argument claims that Armenian is a Greek type language. It seems that you are arguing with a strawman here. Also, I don't know what your word list is supposed to prove. For example, the Greek, Persian, Armenian and English word for mother all descend directly from a PIE root. The Danish word for mother is mor and the one for father is far. These seem quite similar to the Armenian words. Is this an argument for saying that Armenians came from Scandinavia? Stefán 04:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

No, I was just stating that the mainstream view is inaccurate from this evidence. But you bring up an interesting point, and I like to respond to that. Germanic people as I stated above as Indo-Europeans(Aryans also), have the name Armen, Armin, Armanen, Ermen, etc too. In fact German, is from Hermann, or Army man(Arman or Armin). Keep in mind also that Armenians call themselves Hay, and not Armen or Armenians, even though we put the name Armen of course. Its interesting its also a Persian name Armin and Arman. Its cause were all Indo-European, we have a common link in the past. So, but to answer you on the mainstream issue, I was just stating those points to prove that Armenians were native, and there was misunderstanding of some of those Armenians who at the time were settling there in West Anatolia(or Thrace or whatever, these names dont even ring a bell in Armenians memory).<--mainstream assumptions that say we came from that place, which they think was are earlier homeland or something 75.17.8.93 04:27, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The table of words you give does not show that Greek is closer to Persian than Armenian is to Greek. Furthermore the mainstream does not claim that the Armenian word for mother is more similar to the Persian word for mother than the Greek word for mother. Stefán 04:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Did you read what I wrote ? 75.17.8.93 04:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes. Let's try and break this into pieces. Do you disagree with the second sentence in my last post. If so why? Stefán 04:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

No I agree with you that its not about that, but its rather they are trying to put more similarity with Phrygians and Armenians, than to Persians, but they failed to do so, and you proved it. So its the "bold" I put which they think is what took place. 75.17.8.93 04:43, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Did I really just prove that it is not possible to claim that Armenians are more closely related to the Phrygians than to Persians? How did I do that? Can you quote my argument back to me? Stefán 05:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, so you think that what you mentioned above of Armenians, Persians, and Greeks having similar words, is not true then in all aspects? It is true that they are not similar in all ways, thats why I was trying to say the mainstream view is trying to stretch the idea that Armenian is "more" similar to Greek languages, rather then Persian etc. The linguists which I mentioned above dont agree with the Greek language "more" similar, but rather Indo-Iranian which branched out, which is what I see also. I have found over 100's of words which Persians have taken from us, and not the other way around. I dont want to get into this discussion its a long discussion (Ive been through this many times with others its long trust me), but basically Im saying we didnt migrate from Greek lands, for them to say were more like Greek languages, or culture etc. 75.17.8.93 06:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I can really neither make head nor tail of what you are writing here. You are saying that there are some linguists that say that Armenian is not more similar to Greek than Persian. Actually, I think most linguists would agree with this statement. Genetically, Greek, Armenian and Persian are related at the PIE level, but these languages have borrowed from one another, especially, Armenian has borrowed from Indo-Iranian languages. In any case, then you say: there are hundreds of works which Persian has borrowed from Armenian and thus Armenians did not migrate from Greek lands. I really don't know where to start discussing this argument.


 * I have reached the conclusion that you are probably not going to be able to explain your argument about where the Armenians came from in a way which I can understand or agree with. But in any case, that is not the issue, your hypothesis for the origins of the Armenians is not in line with the mainstream view, so even if you managed to convince me that your view was correct, that wouldn't make any difference for the purpose of Wikipedia. Wikipedia must present the mainstream view most prominently and make it clear that these are the most commonly held scholarly views. In order for your view to earn its place in Wikipedia, it must be shared by mainstream sources. Arguing with me will get you nowhere nearer that target. Stefán 18:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

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