User talk:Editor19841/Archive 1

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You can find me at my user page or talk page for any questions. Happy editing, and we'll see ya 'round. Joe I 22:25, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Aurora, Colorado
On what basis are you claiming that it is "false information" to include Michael D. Brown as a notable Auroran? The article on him states that he is a resident of the city. Do you know that he has never lived in Aurora? Denvoran 02:56, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Response

 * Just wondering... on what basis do you claim to know that he is or ever was an Auroran? I've looked at several online bios on Mr. Brown, did some research, and never did I ever see anything about him ever living or even visiting Aurora, Colorado. I do know for a fact thought that he did live in Lyons, Colorado at one time. But that is the only time I know of him living in Colorado. Until any evidence can be produced to state that he did live in Aurora, I don't think it's worth including in the article. I'm reverting it back. Thank you for your comment/question. I suggest you and anyone who doesn't agree with me on this issue, to bring forth some evidence stating otherwise. Thank you. Editor19841 00:25, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Why wonder? as I wrote above, the Wikipedia article on him states that he is a resident of the city. It points to a Denver Post article in January 2003 that has the byline "FEMA official from Aurora selected for security post". There are other Denver Post articles that link Brown with Aurora, and a Google search of the words "Brown" "FEMA" and "Aurora" produces further evidence. I have reinstated Brown as a "notable Auroran". Denvoran 00:48, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Response 2

 * I checked out that Google search, Denvoran, and saw what would make you think he lived in Aurora. As it turns out, he was just working in Aurora, and he was not a resident. He was living in Lyons, Colorado at that time. I'm reverting it back. Editor19841 00:57, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

People are listed as natives (or "sons" or "daughters") of a city even when they have not "lived" in the city; e.g. if they were born there. What is your definition of "living"? Many people spend more of their waking hours at their workplaces than they do in the place that they "live", anyway. It may be true that Brown was "living" in Lyons and "just working" in Aurora. However, the Denver Post stated that he is from Aurora - the word "from" is always up to interpretation: it can mean someone was born in a certain place, that s/he lives there, that his/her family has a history there. Even if Brown did not actually reside there, the decision of a major newspaper to use the word "from" denotes strong ties between Brown and Aurora. Any notable person who can be described as "from Aurora" belongs on this list. Denvoran 01:34, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Response 3

 * I'm sorry to have to correct you again, but Mr. Brown was not born in Aurora, he was born in Oklahoma. And even if a major newspaper has stated "Aurora Man (Brown) named for...", that can be taken different ways. I do not believe he ever maintained legal residence in Aurora, Colorado. I'm reverting it back. Thank you for your comments. Editor19841 00:21, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Other Responses To Off-Page Counters

 * The article doesn't prove anything. I checked out the Denver Post 's archives, looked at what you stated. And, I did not find any evidence to prove that Mr. Brown lived in Aurora. I however did do some research and found evidence to back my statement. If you examine the Federal Elections Commision (FEC)'s report on his political donations, it clearly states that he was in fact a resident of Lyons, Colorado. At this time, until any proving evidence surfaces to prove your statements, I've got to revert his name from the list of "Notable Aurorans". Thank you for your feedback and comments/questions. Editor19841 00:07, 18 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The Denver Post published an article on January 12, 2003, stating that Michael D. Brown was "From Aurora". This in no way proves that Brown was/is a legal resident of the City of Aurora, Colorado, and nothing in the article does anything to prove that he ever/was/is. Until any proving evidence surfaces to prove that he was in fact a resident of the city, making him a Auroran, his name has no place under the listing of "Notable Aurorans". Perhaps he could be metioned as a former member of Aurora's workforce community, but nothing more, until there is evidence to prove his residency. If anyone can find any evidence of this, please bring it forward on the Talk:Aurora, Colorado page. Until then- Editor19841 00:19, 18 February 2006 (UTC)


 * First of all, "Auroran" defined is: a person who is/has been a resident of Aurora (in this case Aurora, Colorado). It is wrong to claim that a Auroran is anything else. Unless Michael D. Brown was made an "Honorary Auroran" by the city government, or anyone can prove that he ever was an actual resident of Aurora, Colorado, he should not be listed as a "Notable Auroran" on the page. I'm removing his name, as well as changing that defining of "Notable Aurorans". Editor19841 19:13, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

John Kerry
"What right do you have?" I don't appreciate this tone. I have as much "right" as you do to make edits on Wikipedia, and I gave an explanation for my edit. For the record, I'm not challenging your Wikipedia "rights"! That said, Army Hospital 21, Fitzsimons Army Hospital, Fitzsimons Army Medical Center, and today's Fitzsimons Campus have never been a part of Denver. They have always been in Adams County. By definition, anything in Adams County is outside of the City and County of Denver. I question whether you've actually seen Kerry's birth certificate; but, giving you the benefit of the doubt, the Army Hospital was probably not in any city at the time of Kerry's birth, but in "unincorporated Adams County". However, a town or city is always given on birth certificates, so one had to be indicated - both nearby towns "Aurora" and "Denver" could have been choices. The "standard procedure" at the time was probably to indicate "Denver" for Fitzsimons births, although the hospital was adjacent to Aurora, in the same county as Aurora, and certainly closer to Aurora than Denver. Logic says that, if a location is not actually within a certain city's limits, it is better to associate that location with the nearest city within the same county rather than with a city in a different county that is also farther away. In any case, today what is now known as the Fitzsimons Campus is within the Aurora city limits (and has an Aurora ZIP code, etc.) When reporting on Kerry's campaign, The New York Times, USA Today, and other major newspapers all indicated "Aurora, Colorado" as Kerry's birthplace. Denvoran 20:20, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Response

 * You're right. My tone was not appropriate. I was not trying to challenge your rights as an editor in the slightest. I have not viewed Sen. Kerry's birth certificate, but according to reports regarding his place of birth and his birth certificate in regards to Denver, I was under the impression that at the time, that Fitzsimons was in Denver. I'm taking your word that it was not, and am going to leave this issue alone, in good faith. I really don't want to battle. Thanks for informing me on the information in your above comment. Editor19841 21:24, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Bill Ritter article
Good work. I made some minor tweaks consistant with the wiki style guide, added some categories and moved some sentances. It really needs a picture, but I can't find a good one on his website. I'll keep my eyes open for one. Cornell Rockey 01:04, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Response
Thanks for your comments, Cornell. The Bill Ritter (politician) article has been a top priority of mine recently. Locating a good picture would really help the article even more. Thank you for your contributions to the article, and in general. Editor19841 00:11, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Population of Denver
The population of Denver is 579,744, exceeding that of both Seattle and Boston since 2004. Source: Denver Regional Council of Governments. Editor19841 00:52, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Please note: the Denver Regional Council of Governments and the United States Census Bureau are two different entities, and there is no such thing as "2005 Census" - only 1990, 2000, 2010, etc. The entry above would correctly read:


 * The Denver Regional Council of Governments estimates the 2005 population of Denver to be 579,744, which exceeds the 2004 U.S. Census Bureau population figures for both Seattle and Boston. Source: Denver Regional Council of Governments.


 * Denvoran 01:50, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

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Homelessness
WOW thank you so much editor 19841 for noticing the homeless crisis. We really need to educate our society on the plight of the homeless. I encourage everyone to get involved and help solve the crisis! You have helped by contributing direction to resources to assist people in what they can individually do to help save lives. Homelessness really doesn't get the attention it deserves. When someone is affected it often seems to small of an issue. To easy to say..."did you try the shelters, is there someone you can call, could you just get a job, etc.". When mass people become homeless, such as hurricane Katrina, etc. common citizens try to help, yet the daily plight of the individual homeless person still goes unrecognized. A mass homeless disaster could be a miraculous recovery from homelessness for the individual homeless person, suddenly they may get food, shelter from the elements, first aid, government assistance. This is completely unacceptable. A natural disaster should not have to happen to save a homeless person. each life is value. Thank you for educating citizens of the crises and caring for the homeless.~Tiki-tiki.

homelessness
to editor 19841- You make a strong impression, regarding "how" we will be remembered, by "how" we deal with this crisis. Thank you!!!

Response
Thank you, Tiki-tiki. I couldn't agree more with your statements. I'll do my part. Homelessness is an epidemic, and it must be addressed. I'm happy to know that there are others who feel as I do. Thanks for your comments. Editor19841 00:52, 18 March 2006 (UTC)