User talk:Editorofthewiki/Archive 10

Confusions everywhere!
I've changed my username once again, this time its final. The "Lord" in LS was particularly annoying, and Sunday is already taken. Alas, this ne is pretty cool in itself. &mdash; Ceranthor (formerly LordSunday)  ·  (Testify!)  15:15, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Earthquake
Talk:Earthquake/GA1 had no parent article; it was nominated as a G8 and deleted for that reason. Did I miss something? -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  21:57, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

FA articles
Hi Ed. I hope you don't feel too down about recent events on here. That RFA nomination which I only saw after it was closed was not what you needed. Sorry to see all that monkey business. Remember that the more productive or passionate the editor in content, the less likely they will receive support. As for having to apologise to that editor for trying to take the article to FA, this is absolute rubbish. Creating and developing an article to a high standard is nothing to feel bad about however it is done. There are however some issues which affect the promotion of some of the articles to FA. The Paul article was clearly not ready for an FA nomination which is why I had to comment, even though I think very highly of your work as a wikipedian. I know you are very keen to get some FAs under your belt, but I think with the majority of African articles you do extremely well developing them to GA let alone FA. In the future I;d hope you have learned from recent events to be more cautious with FAs and not to nominate them unless you feel certain (and others) that it stands a great chance of passing. Now I genuinely thought the 1964 coup article was excellent and in other circunstances feel sure it would have passed eventually. All I can say is keep up the good work and see if you can devleop some more African articles to GA which is more than pleasing trust me. Best regards The Bald One      White cat 11:47, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

P.S. your help is required at WikiProject Geography/Bot/Country List/nepal. Hopefully it shouldn't take much effort to get them filled in The Bald One      White cat 12:58, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, I just thought I'd drop you a note in reply to your question elsewhere about why the Paul Gondjout FAC was closed. I can't speak for the FAC delegate of course, but having read the FAC page, it seems obvious that the article wasn't quite ready, and along with Blofeld above, I concur with the close. While I believe you would have worked hard to resolve the issues that were raised, I think in this case there were probably too many to warrant keeping it open while the all improvements were made. FAC probably shouldn't be the place for substantial article-(re)building anyway. I suggest a peer review before resubmission. That way, you can keep it open as long as the process takes, and invite members of various Wikiprojects to throw in their $0.02 at their leisure. All the best, Steve  T • C 09:50, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

PR request
Could you look over Nevado del Ruiz? I've been working and picking at it for a while, and I finally want to bring it to FAC. Thanks. &mdash; Ceranthor (formerly LordSunday)  ·  (Testify!)  23:32, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you like the article? I'll get to the fixes tomorrow, if MAv has commented by then. &mdash;'' Ceran ' thor  [Formerly LordSunday] 00:18, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Palin all the way! Go girl power! Yay for the female race, which I am not a member of! P.S. Everyone knows McCain will win. P.P.S. Everyone at my school is voting McCain. P.P.P.S. - Shell Yea!&mdash; Ceran thor  [Formerly LordSunday] 00:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Whatever. Check out my userpage! It's pimped out! &mdash; Ceran thor  [Formerly LordSunday] 00:36, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * What part of Nj do you live in? i'm not a stalker, i just want to know 'cause I live there too. &mdash; Ceran thor  [Formerly LordSunday] 00:39, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Cas? I'm in Northern NJ, though. &mdash; Ceran thor  [Formerly LordSunday] 00:45, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, could you come back to check over my corrections for now, please? I know I'm not finished, don't criticize me! And um, no one talks like that in Northern Jersey, at least not around me. I think you are thinking more western New York-ish. &mdash; Ceran thor  [Formerly LordSunday] 19:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

September Newsletter
The September version of the WikiProject Earthquakes newsletter has been posted! Be sure to check it out! &mdash; Ceran  thor  [Formerly LordSunday] 14:11, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Re:PR
Um, about the eruptions before 1985 section, I can't really expand it anymore. If I could, I would've. ;) &mdash; Ceran  thor  [Formerly LordSunday] 12:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and sorry for being late to your replies lately, I've had so much work to do and so little time to edit. But, I guess I've made some big contributions lately, so I should be proud. It's not all what it's made to be, being a quality builder. Most people do one FA, do lots of admin work and then become an admin. But us content builders, well, you know how we are. ;) &mdash; Ceran  thor  [Formerly LordSunday] 12:34, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Nepal
You need a gap after population figure The Bald One      White cat 20:28, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

6776 people residing in 1247 individual households sounds better The Bald One      White cat 20:30, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

I was going to see if FritzpollBot was to be resurrected, but I think we can safely assume that it will never go into operation. Such a waste of something potentially remarkable The Bald One      White cat 20:39, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

I know, and I know just how easily it could be done too once it has been coded. I have asked Kotbot but he is very busy with Poland at present. I;ve even suggested to Fritz that he uses the bot to add all the missing infobox communes from French wikipedia to build the faith of the community that his bot is out to improve wikipedia, but something tells me he would state that "my bot isn't authorised to do that", and once again we'd be where we started off... The Bald One     <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat 20:48, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot for helping create these stubs about Nepal. I will try to expand them to the best of my knowledge. However, I have very limited knowledge of these placed myself and the best from me might come in the form of IW ! Cheers!--Eukesh (talk) 21:16, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

I created that remaining GEOBOT list page anyway for the remaining articles, whether it is done by bot or manually. Tomorrow I'll try to dab as many as I can. It works very well when we work together on the same district, things seem to get done almost at bot pace that way! <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">The Bald One     <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat 21:19, 6 October 2008 (UTC) See this University of New Mexico "Nepal study centre detailed article on a VDC. Care to expand? I'm off now, we've now got all of Bagmati up and running <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">The Bald One      <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat 22:09, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Very impressive work! I'm not on here today, I'll either return later tonight or tomorrow. Keep up the good work, good that it has an image too! <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">The Bald One     <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat 15:35, 7 October 2008 (UTC) Saw it on New Page Patrol. We still need an article on Cinema of Senegal. Are you up for it? <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">The Bald One     <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat 14:45, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

There we go Template:Zola Maseko. Happy edits <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">The Bald One     <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat 14:54, 9 October 2008 (UTC) See the diff. Sometimes it pays off to ask people! Excellent work. Our coverage of 1964 in Africa seems to be enchancing considerably. P.S. how have you heard of Mark Speight in the US? He wasn't world famous was he? <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">The Bald One     <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat 18:49, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Mark Speight
Hi, you commented on the (failed) FAC; please can you help me out by leaving some feedback at peer review? Thanks, and best wishes, -- how do you turn this on  12:04, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Senegal
Hi don't worry about Cinema of Senegal I've started it but it needs a rewrite to fuse material together. I wondered if you would be up for translating the History of Senegal from French wikipedia. The article we have at present is crap and pitifully short given that it is a main history article. <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">The Bald One     <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat 21:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Whats going on with your signature? Why do you have your editor review in your signature? 09:57, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Watch you edit summaries
I'm trying to help with what is still a weak article; so watch edit summaries like "remove disinformation" and work with me, please. Ceoil <font color="E45E05">sláinte 22:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think its close, but I'd like an hour or two to polish a bit. Best of luck! Ceoil  <font color="E45E05">sláinte 02:01, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

re:NDR
I didn't post a comment here because I knew you would find out eventually, but anyway... could you come back to the FAC please? &mdash;<font color="#000000">Ceran  <font color="#000000">[speak] 01:11, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

See ya soon...
I'm taking an indefinite break. Life has grown more and more stressful with each day, and I'm not risking anything any longer. Hope to see you soon. &mdash;<font color="#000000">Ceran  <font color="#000000">[speak] 01:32, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's too late for that. Best, &mdash;<font color="#000000">Ceran  <font color="#000000">[speak] 01:46, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Either/or Fallacy
Greetings,

I take exception with the either/or idea that if a person or topic does not merit an individual article, then they do not merit inclusion in Wikipedia. As an example of a merger-article for mini-bios that don't stand alone, but individually make an article, consider this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Buffy_the_Vampire_Slayer_characters

If we can do this for fictional TV characters, why not real people? Let's cut the fallacy that a reader would only want to read a novel or just a title of a book. There are novellas and short stories...formats of varying length. Likewise, a paragraph or two may be warranted for an individual supercentenarian even if the case does not achieve a long, individual article-length, as with Henry Allingham. The real issue here is to balance inclusion vs. deletion. Often, individual cases are best judged individually. No one objected to the deletion of Charlotte Gibson's mini-bio (but she was not the oldest person in the UK), while interest exists for some of those remaining--many of them, in fact. If, over time, a case loses significance, it can be deleted.

Consider "tallest buildings." In the World Almanac, in 1975 they listed all buildings in the U.S. 250 feet or higher. In the early 1980s the limit was 300 feet, then 350 feet in the 1990s and now 400 feet (500 for NY and Chicago). An individual building that may have been 266 feet tall in 1975 may have been significant then, but over time, its significance waned as more and more buildings taller than it were built. It was thus deleted. Likewise, we could establish a limit: perhaps a limit of 20% of cases with a bio, or 15%, or 15 total, or whatever. But a total carte blanche removal really does not reflect Wikipedia's pluralist approach, which suggests that multiple major viewpoints should be covered. In one approach, the statistical, inclusion of all cases is necessary for a mathematical calculation (however, that could be summed up in a table, such as:

France had 90 persons 110+, 45 111+, 20 112+, 8 113+, etc. Then a statistical pyramid could be made, with annual mortality data (death rate at 110=55%?).

The second approach, which I call "human interest" or newspaper story, is a desire for us to connect with the past. Rebecca Hewison's 1994 obituary stated that "last living link with 1881 is lost." In that context, her death was significant as a link to the past. More than that, however, we also see attempts to define just what lifestyle or life-strategies a super-c employed that enabled them to live to 114 or whatever. Or, they may have been a war veteran. In truth, the purpose of individual articles is twofold: to allow individual focus, and to shorten long articles by dividing them up into (tangential) sections. However, in some cases an individual article may not be warranted due to length not being a problem, and in others cases may exist better in context, rather than as individual, separate articles. Going back to "Minor Buffy characters" again, each mini-bio is in context of the show, and so a merged list makes sense.

Finally, I consider it a fault of Wikipedia to sometimes treat "list" articles as a directory, which Wikipedia is not. The list should not be a phone book; it should have context. Ryoung 122

DYK for Sundarijal

 * Great article on Sundarijal! I'm someone from Kathmandu. I was quite disappointed when your RFA failed. I want to give you a barnstar.


 * Your friend, 117.121.224.42 (talk) 09:53, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your wonderful reply. :) 117.121.224.42 (talk) 11:38, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Houphouet-Boigny
Citation needed - see. Also, your opinion on this? Nousernamesleft (talk) 19:16, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Just a note - as per my userpage, I'm busy for the next two weeks or so (could range from one week to a month, actually), so progress may stall. 204.193.202.95 (talk) 00:45, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Nki National Park
According to the FAC-instructions, "Users should not add a second FA nomination until the first has gained support and reviewers' concerns have been substantially addressed." I have removed the Nki nomination as you still have Paul Gondjout at FAC and it clearly needs significant work still. If you wish to withdraw Gondjout, please post here or at the FAC. Thank you. Maralia (talk) 23:01, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Google Translate wrong most of the time?
I said "much of the time", not "most of the time". Cheers, –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  19:57, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * In that case, how can I be sure you didn't misinterpret the translation as a result of the awkward wording? –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  20:02, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Just a quick tip: for any reading through foreign-language sources, I use freetranslation.com, I find it a much more competent translator than Google, which I find sometimes misconstrues text. Cheers, EJF (talk) 20:12, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If I recall correctly, 1964 Gabon coup d'état was also criticized for potentially poor translation, so unfortunately, I'm still concerned about factual accuracy. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  20:15, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Gabon
I have currently put in a request to use AWB, so hopefully I will get it soon and I can see if anything needs to cleaned up in the article. I'll take a look at it later on today, or more likely tomorrow. JonCatalán(Talk) 19:47, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Early history of Turkmenistan

 * Basically, my reason for adding the tag was that while the citations were done correctly, the wording was still taken pretty much word for word. Since it was a PD source this is okay, but I'd still prefer a rewrite. Wizardman  21:10, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * EOW: The nomination was removed from the Next Update before it was transferred to the Main Page, as discussed here.  It was not however removed from the credits, which may be why you got the template message above even though the article did not appear at DYK.  As mentioned in the discussion linked in the first sentence of this message, and as discussed elsewhere on that page:
 * Articles which are copied from other sources, even though in the public domain, do not qualify for DYK;
 * Articles which are paraphrases of other work, with similar language and structure, raise copyright issues, and should not be nominated and in fact should not be created unless there is no liklihood of a copyright violation (regardless of whether the original author seeks to enforce copyright); and
 * Translated articles, whether by machine or by an interpreter, are derivative and can also violate copyright.
 * Regards, Kablammo (talk) 21:43, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for telling me. ~  one of many editorofthewikis ( talk / contribs / editor review ) ~ 22:03, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Editorofthewiki. First off, congratulations for all of your hard work. However, I also notice that some of your GA noms contain numerous cut & paste sentences which are not attributed as quotations. Please be aware: if you use another author's words, you must attribute them. This is formally done by using quotation marks. If the quote is more than a few words, then the author should be mentioned by name in the text (Lazulilasher refers to the earthquake as, "sentence"). Otherwise, we misrepresent the words as Wikipedia's.


 * Would you be able to look at your work and address these issues? I would greatly appreciate it. Also, feel free to approach me at any time if you need any more assistance; I will be happy to work with you. Kindest regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 03:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I am going to reply to you here, to keep the discussion in one place.

First, I only looked at one GA: Mary Meader. The article references the New York Times. The New York Times writes:
 * 1) "...South America and Africa that had never been captured on film from the air.." and the article says: South America and Africa that had never been captured on film from the air
 * 2) The NYT says: "When they were planning their trip, soon after their marriage the next year, many parts of the world had still not been photographed from above" and our article says, While planning the trip, many parts of the world had not been photographed from above
 * NYT: "The American Geographical Society was encouraging photographic flights to build an archive of aerial view"; Wikipedia: the American Geographical Society encouraged photographic flights to build an archive of aerial views.
 * NYT: "was a language major at Smith College, specializing in French and Spanish, but dropped out to marry Richard Upjohn Light, a neurosurgeon and former military pilot who was her first cousin." versus the article: was a language major at Smith College, specializing in French and Spanish, though she dropped out to marry Dr. Richard Upjohn Light, a neurosurgeon and her first cousin.
 * NYT: "The Lights took off first in September 1937 from Kalamazoo in a Bellanca monoplane, its cabin lacking heat and pressurization." the article: The two Lights took off out of Kalamazoo in September 1937 in a Bellanca monoplane, whose cabin lacked heat and pressurization.
 * NYT: "ice dome and crater of Mount Kilimanjaro and the serrated glaciated pinnacles of Mount Kenya", vs. ice dome and crater of Mount Kilimanjaro and the glaciated pinnacles of Mount Kenya.
 * NYT: "they would rise at 4 a.m. and fly until 11 a.m, after which they would visit the farms, mines, and native settlements that would be photographed the next day." vs. "they would arise at 4 a.m. and fly until 11 a.m. After lunch, they visited the farms, mines and native settlements that would be photographed the next day."

I don't have time now to go through the whole article. Basically, these are direct quotations from the New York Times, a copyrighted publication. To use a direct quotation, we do something like this: John Holmes of the New York Times said, "blah blah blah" [1]. We strive to leave the quotation as unchanged as possible, however, if change is required it is in "[]". I would advise reading our policies on Non free content and the quotation guidelines.

Please note, encyclopedia entires are generally not comprised of a long collection of quotations. From your work, I am confident you will be able to find your own words to describe these events.

Again, I would be happy to help you with this in anyway. For example, if you need help phrasing, etc. my talk page is always open and I would be more than willing to assist. Kindly, Lazulilasher (talk) 04:23, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for understanding. Best of luck to you with the reworking. As I said earlier, from your earlier work and manner of communication: I am confident you will be able to rework the article. Regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 04:36, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

TLR-2/translation_of_German_TLR-2_page
Why did you have my translation deleted? JS (talk) 03:32, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

OK, then why move/redirect it (which of course caused it to be speedily deleted and the WP:Translation template to be broken)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JSdeutsch (talk • contribs) 04:00, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Where does one put a new en translation to make it accessible to those working on it in stages 2 and 3, so as not to mess prematurely with the pre-existing en article on the same subject? I posted this question on the help desk but never got a response. JS (talk) 04:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Bots and earthquakes
Ed I know about the infoboxes but I'm really trying hard to get somebody to see how simple it is and run a bot for it, most of the tedious tasks we do could be saved simply by a bot leaving us to purely focus on writing. Anyway I've proposed the creation of earthquake stubs probably by decade at WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2008/October. Please offer your thoughts. I could have sworn it existed already, perhaps not Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 15:35, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah I knew I'd seen something. Scroll down the proposals page and you'll see Grutness has already beaten me to it. I'd suggest by continent rather than decade which is strongly stacked in late 1900s favorBlofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 15:53, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Userpage Upgrade
Would you be interested? Background colors=batshit insanity. &mdash;<font color="#000000">Ceranthor <font color="#000080">(Sing) 16:25, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Um, I guess so, but would you want me to re-design your user page? &mdash;<font color="#000000">Ceranthor <font color="#000080">(Sing) 16:50, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, so would I, but I'm taking a article building break, remember? What colors? &mdash;<font color="#000000">Ceranthor <font color="#000080">(Sing) 16:53, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I was planning on that. Note the note on my userpage. ;) &mdash;<font color="#000000">Ceranthor <font color="#000080">(Sing) 17:04, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Anyway, click to edit and paste the content, I've made it here. The only change I made was color and text to "papyrus", since it was in your signature. (you have to click, I'm putting it in nowiki)
 * Which font would you like? Sandy has just never treated me as an equal, probably because of my whole age controversy. lolz, &mdash;<font color="#000000">Ceranthor <font color="#000080">(Sing) 17:15, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That's not true! She's disliked me since June of 2007. &mdash;<font color="#000000">Ceranthor <font color="#000080">(Sing) 18:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Bam
i feel good about myself for once. i'll start looking up some scholarlies, and I've done some minor copy editing. Keep an eye out, I'll be expanding quite a bit over the next few days. &mdash;<font color="#000000">Ceranthor <font color="#000080">(Sing) 13:23, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to Milhist
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Katunje
Mid western Nepal?? If you are standing on the north pole perhaps? LOL Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 15:22, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

If I start with A work backwards from where I left off. OK? Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 20:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

1964 Gabon coup d'état
EotW, why don't you withdraw this nom? The article just failed an A-class review; it's probably not yet ready for an FAC. In all honesty, unless you find someone with an excellent knowledge of French, it will never be. That's OK! You still made the article better. Being a FA does not make the article better--it's just an indicator that that article is amongst Wikipedia's best. Some articles will never be FAs. That's ok, too. I would recommend letting this one go for a few months, sit on it, do some more research, etc. Maybe one day come back and work into it. Lazulilasher (talk) 01:21, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, I read your message. You seem angry. I am sorry if my words are harsh, but I am confused. You are cutting & pasting pages from the Library of Congress and putting them through DYK, you have an article (above) that contained cutting & pasting from the NY Times, and now you're nominating an article that has serious verifiability issues. Why? Just because an article goes through FAC successfully doesn't make it a better article. Heck: I've been working on the Louvre article for 11 months, and the thing is still not ready. But, I am happy that I improved that article. To be honest, I don't know if I'll ever be able to get Louvre up to FA standards. But, that's OK, I still made the article better. And that's what matters. You made the article better; that's a good thing. Lazulilasher (talk) 01:46, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I guess what I'm trying to say is: stop worrying about DYK/GA/FA/RfA, whatever and just have fun and enjoy learning about the subjects. You are improving the encyclopedia, go slow, learn, and have fun. Take you time! Don't put so much stock into those silly badges. I've failed FAC before, and I will again. So will you. And that's ok! Lazulilasher (talk) 01:49, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Ed, I thought we agreed it was best to move on and let it rest?? I've spoken to you many times in good faith, believing my time was well spent about in explaining why it isn't a good idea to keep on reproposing when the same issue stands. Why have you gone back to the 1964 coup and renominated again? However good the article is, people will oppose it because of the way it has been translated. Unless somebody (like our language teacher Jb murray) proof reads it to ensure it is completely correct it doesn't stand a chance. As I've said before you shouldn't be in a rush to take articles to FA and to keep on reproposing article within a very short time frame, but this is something it seems you are going to have to learn the hard way. I agree completely with Lazulilasher's sentiments above that you are putting too much weight on "trophies". Just because an article has an FA badge on it doesn't essentially mean it is a wonderful article to read. I;ve read many articles considered "B class" articles (Argentina etc) which to me are excellent, thorough and interesting articles but are not even GA because every sentence doesn't have a citation or it has minor MOS trivialities, and numerous FAs which in my eyes are less rich in content. Ultimately we all want to see every article perfected in terms of referencing, tone and content to be regarded as an "FA" but it isn't some kind of game to see who can notch up the most FAs, GAs or DYKs either. You're doing very well indeed on wikipedia and it is a pleasure to have you editing on here, but in all honesty mate I think you should ease off the gas in terms of the frequency of your nominations. Best Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 10:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd like to add one more thing. I think the crux of our comments is that: this FAC is not a reflection of your abilities. You just need someone with a different skillset to work on the article; that's OK. I wouldn't be able to get an article on combinatorics to FA standard; and that is not a reflection of my academic abilities. Don't look at FA as a measure of your talent; it's not. Lazulilasher (talk) 15:19, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I know Ed, I agree with you, and I know its only because you are trying your damnest to improve wikipedia and the articles so good on you!! I am personally satisfied with the 1964 coup article (except any minor mistranslations) and think given the circumstances is an excellent and concise article that gives me all I want to know about the subject, but I knew that because of the way it was written it wasn't going to pass which is a shame because it is a very good article. I didn't mean to discourage you at all from writing articles to "formal" FA quality I absolutely encourage it, rather, I was referring to the frequency of your nominations which is quite unusual. I looked in on 2003 Bam earlier and its shaping up nicely! P.S have a look at this image I came across.Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 20:36, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

AN example of beauty or outstanding culture often failing FAs at the expanse of sometimes bland content is often quite clear at FA pictures. This is one of the candidates and probably will get some support but if I proposed the above photograph for a featured picture it would probably be rejected for not being clearer. Personally I know which image I would rather look at and it id the same with many articles. I;d much rather read and visit a beautiful article which is highly cultured with extraordinary content but may not be technically perfect than a bland article with uninspiring subject matter that is perfectly referenced and cited. Ideally we want articles which are sound in both departments but you see what I mean. Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 21:03, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Ikkatteq. Population enormous. 1 person! We've done. An article about a place with only one person! Anyway that new Greenland pin map looks gorgeousBlofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 01:18, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I think Greenland's wonderful. My sister was going to go there for Christmas but decided to go to Togo and Benin instead! I love those colorful lego looking Nordic houses. They have like triple glazed windows don't they up there. Have a look at Aasiaat harbor I just found. Reindeer hunting in Greenland just shows how amazing this site is becoming, its really getting better every day. Every now and again I check up on articles I've worked on/started in the past and its great to see what is happening with them.

Stub tagging for earthquakes
Hi I've created the following templates for earthquakes. Please help administer them to stub class articles on earthquakes:


 * earthquake-stub
 * US-earthquake-stub (upmerge to North America)
 * Canada-earthquake-stub (upmerge to North America)
 * CentralAm-earthquake-stub
 * SouthAm-earthquake-stub
 * Europe-earthquake-stub
 * Asia-earthquake-stub

Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 11:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Glinn.jpg
Thanks for uploading or contributing to Image:Glinn.jpg. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia constitutes fair use. Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Stifle (talk) 13:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Kailali District new articles
Hey there, just a friendly hello. I've noticed that you've been creating some new articles recently relating to the Kailali District. Which is cool, don't get me wrong. But, the majority of them don't have very much substance. Instead of just creating a whole slew of stubs, could you get some meat? Flesh out the articles? Again, just a tip, and by no means an ultimatum. -LelandRB (Chat · contribs) 20:10, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Ignore it Ed. Here is some info on flooding in the area. Leland you should know better than to criticise getting missing content onto wikipedia. I thinki you'll find Ed is doing the work in fleshing out more articles than most people bother to do on here. This is more than mosr editors bother to do in a year on here. Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 20:12, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Yikes. If this is going to start a hate war, I take it all back. I was mainly talking about the newest articles such as Khailad, Geta, and so on. But, since I seem to be angering you, take everything I say with a grain of salt. You know what you're doing. :) -LelandRB (Chat · contribs) 20:35, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Hate war? I luvs you man, peace love and happiness man. Not in the least bit angered, but I thought you might have understood the extent of the task and that these articles make up administrative areas of the country and therefore need to be started. I don't think you realise how receptive other editors can be to criticism, however light in the community. The other day somebody else took a swipe at a Nepal article I started and as a result was put off for a few days from bothering to start any more until I got my enthusiasm back for it. Getting articles up and running in such a way with might I say a reference and proper documentation. e.g infobox, template categories etc consistently tends to not be done as well by others on wikipedia so we end up with uneveness as a result. I'd rather the task was done consistently and initially with less content rather than one or two being fully developed and the rest missing or sub standard. By setting them it provides a platform to build upon later, no doubt it will soon enough but it takes years to build a decent encyclopedia as we now 8 years down the line and still most of the places in Nepal were not covered Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 21:36, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Hehe. I've heard many bad things about editors, and their response to criticism. I wasn't trying to critique any part of your editing style; but merely stating that, well, the entire Kailali District section are stubs. Sorry for any misunderstanding. I'm rather bad at this whole explanations thing. (P.S., Blofeld of SPECTRE, that comment wasn't directed towards you at all, instead, at the comment Editorofthewiki left on my comment page. Though in response, I really wasn't trying to take a swipe at the article. Thanks for the luvs!) -LelandRB (Chat · contribs) 01:40, 25 October 2008 (UTC)



Haha! Certainly! -LelandRB (Chat · contribs) 02:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey
I was just adding a to this article, but you beat me to it. <_<

Good job, kkep up the good work. Master&amp;Expert ( Talk ) 04:51, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * lols
 * Well, I'm actually just starting to get into NewPage Patrol, so I'm probably the one who's wrong, not you. ;)
 * Yes, I've noticed, Wikipedia's kinda funky at the moment. I'm guessing it'll clear up soon, though. Master&amp;Expert  ( Talk ) 04:56, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Translation
Sure - I have to eat, and I have a couple of chores to do, but I'll give it a shot this afternoon. Good luck with the article! --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 16:14, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, I've begun. But it's late at night, and my eyes are all droopsy-heavy, so I'll leave off where it is for now.  I should be able to do more tomorrow, and with luck finish it then or Monday.


 * If some of the prose seems stilted, it's because I'm deliberately trying to give you the exact word as it is found in French, without regards to regular English word choice. This is because I'm translating it purely as source material.  If you would like me to smooth anything out, I will, even though it may require looking for some linguistic equivalents. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 06:53, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Liberian population data
Population data here is now available for Liberian districts and main towns. Remember there was nothing avaiable before? P.S. you can still speak to me I won't bite. How are you doing? It feels like a ghost town on here sometimes. I don't want to edit all alone!Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 18:13, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Excellent. It is such a shame that countries like Liberia and Benin and, well 99% of Africa is forgotten about on here. I mean how often can you say there is a DYK or new articles on recent changes about Benin, Guinea, Cameroon or Liberia. The DYK on Liberia today is one in a million! I mean you'd think Nigeria or Kenya but even these countries have lame coverage in comparison given their size. The only way its going to work is if these countries get onto the web as three or four of us can't be responsible for a whole continent. Yes the best thing with Nepal will be to completely dab that bot page and but them into the nav boxes and then in the next week just drill through them all. They don't take very long to start once the dabbing and that has been sorted and we have already made great progress. Yes I'd like to get some of my long running projects finally completed as it has been piling up, French commune infboxes too if Fritz will help the cause. You know that he has backed down from GEOBOT don't you? Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 18:53, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Evidence that the content behind the mainspace is increasing at the expense of the encyclopedia. When I started on wikipedia we had just passed the 1 million mark and had 7 million pages. We now have 2.6 million articles but we now have a whopping 15 million pages in total. Just think what would happen if some of these people decideded to create a page on an article instead, we'd probably have around 7 million articles by now. Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 19:06, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Verification
OK, thanks for letting me know. By the way, do you have any interest in Somalia at the moment? 1969, for instance, saw an election there followed by a coup - fertile ground for study. Biruitorul Talk 07:00, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Strictly speaking, there's the Egyptian Revolution of 1952 (terrible article) and the more modern coups like the 2008 Mauritanian coup d'état (also terrible for reading like a series of news bulletins rather than a coherent set of events). But in general you are correct - that last table bears repeating: 23 coups in the 1960s, 24 in the '70s, 18 in the '80s and 19 in the '90s! Biruitorul Talk 16:13, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

GAN for 2003 Bam
I nominated it, I know you're working on it constantly but I just wanted to nominate it for you so we can get it passed and over with. God, I just got three more copy edit "FA requests". This is a crazy lifestyle for me! I'm not even home half the day anyway, aah! &mdash;<font color="#000000">Ceran ♦<font color="#800000">(Sing) 22:24, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I jumped the gun. And don't accuse me of leaving Blofeld out for self-gain please, I appreciate a sense of humor as much as I prefer solemnity. Can we remove the works cited? I haven't seen a single FA let alone article like that and it's extremely messy. Frankly works cited are messy in wiki-format and the works cited are really only used in reports. Best, ;) &mdash;<font color="#000000">Ceran ♦<font color="#800000">(Sing) 22:37, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Reports happen to be by scholars in Tehran University and people who have a clear insight to the event. We'r just getting started so please don't misjudge me Ceran or the article so prematurely.. Ed could you continue on with economic development and tourism opportunites since i have to log off now. See yaDr. Blofeld (talk) 22:51, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Good luck with the referencing. It needs lot of work and potentially there are sources avilabale to make it featured quality eventually but we have to write it first and then give it a serious copyedit afterwards, Best Dr. Blofeld (talk) 22:53, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Cambodia

 * Hi Eddy. Strangely enough population data (in exactly the same way as Nepal) has now become available for every village in Cambodia see here. To browse through each province change the page number e.g p.15 etc  <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">Dr. Blofeld  14:33, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi guys, that has actually been up for quite some time! I agree it is useful. I have other sources if you want more! Calliopejen1 (talk) 03:07, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Main Page redesign
The Main Page Redesign proposal is currently conducting a straw poll to select five new designs, before an RFC in which one will be proposed to replace the Main Page. The poll closes on October 31st. Your input would be hugely appreciated! Many thanks, P retzels Talk! 10:23, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

2008 Weliveriya bombing
Hello there is a massive discussion about all Sri Lanka related articles on WT:SLR. The consensus of the discussion seems to be, at least what is agreed upon all editors, an article needs to be referenced to be categorized. If you disagree, then please add you comment to the page. Thanks Watchdogb (talk) 22:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Again, check the definition carefully. Not all suicide attacks are terrorist attacks. Pointing to a article on suicide attacks does not make all suicide attacks terrorist attacks Watchdogb (talk) 23:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Asian Tribune is not WP:RS. It is clearly an attack page and has, after discussion, been shown to be a POV source. For the discussion please see WP:SLR Watchdogb (talk) 23:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Unblock
~  one of many editorofthewikis ( talk / contribs / editor review ) ~ 23:58, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Let me note that Watchdogb did eventually consent to your version but it was after your 4th revert.  Mango juice talk 13:37, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Let me note that blocks are preventative, not punitive. Nousernamesleft (talk) 20:44, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see how this was a punitive block. Both editors were edit warring, and violated 3RR... – How do you turn this on (talk) 20:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not necessarily the blocking admin's fault, because the edit warring stopped only minutes before he blocked, but the fact is that, yes, they were edit warring, but EOTW is here being punished for violating 3RR even though the edit war had already come to a peaceful conclusion. Nousernamesleft (talk) 00:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Regarding reversions made on October 30 2008 to 2008 Weliveriya bombing
You have been blocked from editing for in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule. Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text below. The duration of the block is 12 hours. Alex Bakharev (talk) 00:01, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Incooperative behavior of the other party is not the reason to violate WP:3RR. I have blocked you both. Alex Bakharev (talk) 00:01, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * But I was cooperative, and so was he. We came to a concensus that "terrorist attack" should be labeled on the page. Through our reversions, we discussed the matter on the talk page. Unblock both of us. ~  one of many editorofthewikis ( talk / contribs / editor review ) ~ 00:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree; the blocking admin clearly wasn't familiar with the circumstances - I would support the unblock. Actually, I just came here to request your help in removing the overcitation on FHB (see my progress on the talk page) as soon as you're unblocked. Nousernamesleft (talk) 00:18, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

adminhelp I've been blocked for most of its duration, and the blocker has not even listened to my requests for unblock. Someone, listen to me. ~  one of many editorofthewikis ( talk / contribs / editor review ) ~ 11:00, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Earthquakes Newsletter
Be sure to check out the October version of the WikiProject Earthquakes Newsletter for updates and news. Thanks, &mdash;  Ceranthor   ( Sing ) 23:21, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Translation redux
Yes, but it's slow going. I may do some more tonight; tomorrow I should be able to set aside enough time to do the rest. Apologies, but real life has been intervening this week. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 20:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)