User talk:Edward Williams

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Counter-Racism Science
You're running up against one of the things about Wikipedia that surprises (and disappoints!) many people: Wikipedia does not try to tell the truth, it only tries to report what verifiable, authoritative sources say, in a neutral way, avoiding "original research". For more details, see The Five Pillars of Wikipedia.

In particular, that means we basically need links to articles about Counter-Racism Science in well-known newspapers and/or news magazines. (By the way, do you mean the people at "http://www.counter-racism.com/"?)

If you want to reply to this message, just edit this page and I'll see it next time I check my "watchlist". Cheers, CWC (talk) 07:02, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Edward Williams Writes: What person is an "authoritative source"?


 * Basically, someone whose work is reliable because it gets checked carefully by other people, or at least is supposed to get checked. For example:
 * Journalists at major newspapers which have fact-checkers.
 * Scientists in published papers and books about their area of expertise.
 * Also, a person counts as a reliable primary source about themselves for some statements ("I can't swim") but not others ("I did not steal that money").
 * As it happens, some of the senior people at Wikipedia are trying to combine our existing rules about what we can put in our articles into a new policy, Attribution. Unfortunately, that means all the documents are being edited several times a day just now, which makes it hard to learn this stuff!
 * Probably the best way to start is to read Attribution/FAQ, then Attribution


 * BTW, the standard way to "sign" messages around here is to type "&#126;~" at the end of the message. The software will turn it into your signature (usually your username, but you can change that in "my preferences") followed by the date or time. That's how I'll sign this message: CWC 16:24, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

How many "authoritative sources" are there for replacing the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) with a SYSTEM of juctice? Edward Williams 15:32, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I don't understand that question. Remember that Wikipedia is about documented and describing the way things are, not the way things should be.
 * Wikipedia is probably not the right place to work directly against racism or for justice. What Wikipedia can do is fairly, accurately and dispassionately report what various White Supremacists believe, or at least preach, and the things they've said and done ... which turns out to be a really good way to discredit them. But some of the racists edit Wikipedia as well, and the rules here require us to be polite to them. If that's not the sort of thing you like doing, perhaps you should look for another website or group to work with? (In addition to Wikipedia, of course.) Cheers, CWC 17:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Chris, I'll rephrase the question. What person is an "authoritative source" on material on replacing the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) with a SYSTEM of juctice? Edward Williams 10:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm. I'd look for a prominent university professor, politician, activist or writer.
 * Also, you might want to take a look at our articles in Category:Anti-racism and Category:African Americans' rights organizations. Some of the organizations described in those articles might be able to help you. Cheers, CWC 21:09, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Chris, does that mean you don't know any person that is an "authoritative source" on material on replacing the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy) with a SYSTEM of juctice? Edward Williams 11:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


 * No, I don't. Sorry.
 * An aside: you might enjoy reading Deacons for Defense and Justice, especially the bit about undergarments I just added. Cheers, CWC 01:27, 7 April 2007 (UTC)