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This Month in GLAM: August 2014
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Jack Neave
Is deserving in his own right I think. I have a little more to add. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:05, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Added to the list. I was expecting Betty May to make an appearance. Edwardx (talk) 23:14, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * There is a link via Dolores who may well be my next target and I would be surprised if she didn't know him but he was not really the sort of man she was interested in. Too gay(?) and not cultured/intense or rich enough. I have no direct link yet. He had a long biography but it is impossible to find, even at the British Library. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:19, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * London's demi-monde is providing you with rich pickings. Stumbled across a Rowland Hill blue plaque today in Orme Square W2 - will upload photos to his page and perhaps start articles for the house and/or square in due course. Edwardx (talk) 23:24, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Fertile ground indeed. I look forward to the Hill material. I was mistaken about the book, BL do have it, but I generally prefer to buy so that I can peruse at my leisure. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:29, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Amazing link to Ian Dury who seems to have been inspired by Neave. There is more to come. Philafrenzy (talk) 00:54, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Amazing what one can learn writing these articles. Will do the Caravan Club DYK later today. Edwardx (talk) 13:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I would not have linked them. I can't do much more without getting the Benney book or visiting the BL. He managed to write over 300 pages so there must be a lot more to add. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:42, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Sean Mulryan
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for William Byam
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

WP:FindMyPast application
Hello, according to WP:FindMyPast you have been approved and sent an email three weeks ago that gives instructions for registering with the Wikipedia Library for Find My Past access. Please make sure to follow the instructions and fill out the form described there. Sadads (talk) 15:27, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * My belated thanks. I've now signed up and will be using it soon! Edwardx (talk) 16:53, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Iron Foot Jack
I have broken something somewhere in the DYK templates in moving the page to the more catchy common name. Any ideas what? Philafrenzy (talk) 11:00, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem. I've fixed it. Edwardx (talk) 12:22, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. Philafrenzy (talk) 17:01, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Anne Hollander
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:48, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Liam Scarlett
The Wiki thanks you for your help Victuallers (talk) 13:34, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Geoffrey Bles
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:33, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Max Harzof
Hello! Your submission of Max Harzof at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 23:57, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Elspeth Champcommunal
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:05, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of 50 Carnaby Street
Hello! Your submission of 50 Carnaby Street at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 17:30, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Jill Kennington
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:03, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of John Crook (classicist)
Hello! Your submission of John Crook (classicist) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 21:56, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks to have been dealt with in my absence. Edwardx (talk) 07:26, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Freddie Sessler
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  12:03, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Find My Past
Just broke the case wide open on Dolores. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:01, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Great work! Edwardx (talk) 23:39, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Have you used it? Philafrenzy (talk) 23:48, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Great meeting you earlier. Here's a present for you... Gareth E Kegg (talk) 23:20, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you kindly Gareth, but expansion will have to wait until my return from north of the border next week... Edwardx (talk) 10:00, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Could you email me your email via my user page next week? Gareth E Kegg (talk) 10:54, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. Edwardx (talk) 11:32, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Andrew Ellis (actor) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Andrew Ellis (actor) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Andrew Ellis (actor) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. j⚛e deckertalk 20:35, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Commented at AfD page. Edwardx (talk) 11:33, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Sarah Pucill
Edwardx, your nomination was pulled back from a queue for copy/paste and close paraphrasing concerns. Please stop by the template as soon as possible to address them. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:07, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Edwardx, the article was tagged for close paraphrasing back on August 30, and the issues have still not been addressed although you have been quite active editing on Wikipedia. If we don't hear from you on the nomination template very soon, I'll be closing the nomination as unsuccessful. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:56, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've just given it an extensive copyedit. Edwardx (talk) 23:23, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Decided to drop this one. Copyvios were just too extensive - the dangers of nominating the editathon contributions of new editors! Edwardx (talk) 12:34, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

DYKs
Victoria Cleland and Dolores (Ziegfeld girl) are both possible if you are so inclined. The later needs expansion but a source is linked. The deadline for both is today. No problem if you can't. I realise you must be busy after your trip. Sorry, I have just realised that I forgot about Dorset Square. Philafrenzy (talk) 17:29, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Will definitely do a nom for Cleland today. Dolores was started on 17 Sep, so too late. However, at 297 chars, it is perfect for a 5x expansion to 1500! And no rush. I also forgot about Dorset Square, but have just started Wilton Place (in order to upload some WLM photos) and that led to the more hook-worthy Esmeralda's Barn. Edwardx (talk) 19:13, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Excellent thinking on the expansion. Over what time frame does it have to be done? I will look into the barn (so to speak). I feel like I already know a lot about it! Philafrenzy (talk) 19:36, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I thought you would have heard of "the barn". 5x expansion follows the same rules as for a normal DYK, seven days from start to finish. So, if you started to expand it on say 8 October, you would have until 15 October to nominate it. Edwardx (talk) 19:40, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Great. I have to finish the other Dolores too on which you are mentioned and whose life has uncanny similarities to Betty May. There is also Crab Tree Club for your list if you like. Philafrenzy (talk) 19:47, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Crab Tree Club - interesting stuff and added to the list. Edwardx (talk) 21:40, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. A good example of making your own entertainment like we are told people used to do! I hope you listened to My Little Popsy-Wopsy. I think Kylie should do a cover version. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:06, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Esmeralda's Barn
Third on Google despite very little content so far. I will have a proper look later. Philafrenzy (talk) 16:57, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've added some content. It's already shaping up nicely, DYK-wise Edwardx (talk) 18:41, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Lilian Shelley?
No date of birth or death but what the hell. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:16, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Indeed - added to the list. Edwardx (talk) 18:52, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Iron Foot Jack
Hello,

I have taken a first pass through the article. Although I am not knowledgeable enough to review all aspects of the article, I did spot some possible problems. As experienced with DYK as you are, I am sure you have solutions if needed.

I sure would like to see this article run as a DYK, especially with such a colorful title. Ought to spark some interest, yep.

Georgejdorner (talk) 14:52, 24 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you kindly. Edwardx (talk) 18:57, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

The Finest Hours (2015 film)
User:Edwardx, Please revisit the DYK nomination. I believe your concerns have been addressed. Thank you. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 11:38, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've approved the revised version. Edwardx (talk) 19:07, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Talkback
Check out using Earwig's Copyvio Detector instead of Duplicate detector. Notice the results I provided in the discussion from Earwig's detector relative to content in the article. NorthAmerica1000 11:28, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for drawing my attention to this very useful tool! Edwardx (talk) 19:09, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you. Now that it's all over, I suppose we can talk about my modest contribution. Someone else who cannot be named has also "purred" her approval. Edwardx (talk) 18:55, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Expect a gong in the new year's honours. Purrfect. Philafrenzy (talk) 19:40, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for John Crook (classicist)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:03, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for John Michael Ingram
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Victoria Cleland
Thank you from the DYK project and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 12:04, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Aqueduc de Roquefavour
Hello. I created Aqueduc de Roquefavour earlier today, and I was wondering if you might want to nominate it for DYK? I have had some bad experiences with DYK, so I don't really want to nominate it on my own. If you think it's too short, let's leave it. But do let me know (on my talkpage please). Thanks.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:38, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Done! Edwardx (talk) 12:32, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. We'll see how that goes...Zigzig20s (talk) 02:19, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks like it did not make it. Do you know why? That seems strange. Did no one else rate it?Zigzig20s (talk) 04:59, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * That's because it is now in the Queue, and will appear as the lead hook (complete with photo) in a few days! Edwardx (talk) 08:29, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, fantastic! I missed the whole discussion.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:38, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Aqueduc de Roquefavour
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:02, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Phuti Mahanyele?
Interesting YouTube sources for this bio. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:55, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Not sure about YT as an RS. Added to the list. Not your usual sort of topic. Edwardx (talk) 12:08, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Is a person a RS about themselves? I am sure we have a rule about that but it's non-controversial anyway and she has an interesting backstory. Saw her and another African woman on the Africa Channel, Sky TV. Makes a nice change. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:17, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

You've got mail
HazelAB (talk) 13:16, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Henrietta Street, London
Good list of Covent Garden listed buildings too here: http://www.coventgardentrust.org.uk/resources/environmentalstudy/management/listedbuildings/ Philafrenzy (talk) 23:11, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Added to the list. Edwardx (talk) 23:19, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Feel free to expand and/or do the building articles. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:21, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * How did you know that I was running short of new articles to start (joke). Will look anyway. There are definitely Grade II listed pubs in London that I'm missing - have heard that there are 99 listed pubs in Westminster alone. Edwardx (talk) 12:12, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * What about pubs that have closed but have a significant history? There were several in Henrietta Street, including one where Sheridan(?) fought a duel. To be added to that article. What about Bedford House, now demolished to create Southampton Street? Philafrenzy (talk) 12:23, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll have a look later. Edwardx (talk) 12:32, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Nag's Head, Covent Garden done. Edwardx (talk) 22:10, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Great. I worked in Long Acre for several years. There could be an interesting line in buildings that were important but have been demolished, but I guess you will be doing the existing ones first. Good work on the Crab Tree hooks by the way. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:20, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Esmeralda's Barn
I fear is not even close to complete yet. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:54, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I've been too distracted by WLM and pubs. I've done a nom anyway. Edwardx (talk) 23:07, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

DYKs
You have two for today, one of which you have missed? Philafrenzy (talk) 22:03, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Oops. None our "ours", just the work of others I was planning to nominate. Will attend to shortly. Edwardx (talk) 22:05, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * It's become a bit tedious right now. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:10, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, some people's expectations are perhaps unreasonably strict. Perhaps we should try to get a former DYK to GA instead? Edwardx (talk) 23:18, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Which one? Philafrenzy (talk) 23:20, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * London street? Buildings, history, inhabitants etc. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:29, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe it would be easiest to start with one that probably already meets the GA criteria. How about, off the top of my head, Jan van Beers (artist)? Edwardx (talk) 12:30, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I will need to read the criteria. I like the pictures but the article is substantially incomplete due to poor sources. It might be possible to fix that with research. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:36, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * GA criteria are arguably less demanding than DYK these days. Plenty of others to choose from. Edwardx (talk) 23:09, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Pieter Korteweg
In the interests of fairness, I should give you the chance to vote to delete this one, should you be so inclined. Philafrenzy (talk) 19:06, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't forget to vote on this one (either way). Philafrenzy (talk) 23:12, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. Edwardx (talk) 23:15, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/David A. Randall
Your input would be most welcome. Thanks. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 11:36, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Max Harzof
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  12:03, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Michael Sherard
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  12:02, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK thanks and possible nom
Hi Edwardx, thanks so much as I'm really enjoying seeing all these fashion names in lights! Not sure if this one is worthy, but Jill Stuart was a page in trouble and I've just substantially enlarged today – I think it's a 5x – to save it from the fiery pit. An interesting brand but the DYK hook I thought might work is that she's part of a 3G fashion dynasty. Her parents founded 'Mister Pants' in NYC in the 1960s and dressed Lucille Ball et al and now her daughter has launched her own label. No worries if not suitable. Libby norman (talk) 15:58, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks Libby. Fashion people often have very interesting lives. Jill Stuart is definitely worthy of a DYK, so I've added her to my list. The 3G angle is good, and I like the "sold her first collection to Bloomingdales by the age of 15" bit. I can always offer ALTs and let someone else decide. Whatever is likely to get the most hits... Edwardx (talk) 20:41, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Kensal Green Cemetery
Dolores is buried there (No. 90 c. G). Is it somewhere you frequent? Philafrenzy (talk) 20:12, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I took photos there some years ago at an open day, and would love to revisit some time. But when? No idea. The 2014 open day sounds great - lots of Goths when I went. 27 July 2014 Open Day Edwardx (talk) 20:45, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Turns out it is the adjacent St. Mary's Roman Catholic Cemetery (same plot). Astonishing how much info I have on Dolores now. Almost nothing at first. And there is a murder too to be included as all good stories ought to have. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:49, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Great work. As a former murder suspect myself, they do make good stories - remind me next Sunday. Edwardx (talk) 20:52, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I am less surprised than you would think to hear that! Philafrenzy (talk) 20:54, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Esmeralda's Barn
Hello! Your submission of Esmeralda's Barn at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:58, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Replied at the nom page. Edwardx (talk) 22:48, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Gabriel Wells
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  00:03, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Philip Somerville
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  12:03, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Fat-finger error
Needs only 500 more which can easily be met by examples. (I think I have made a few fat-finger errors on Wikipedia) Philafrenzy (talk) 12:27, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for David A. Randall
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Esmeralda's Barn
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Check for BNA email
Hi Edwardx, about two weeks ago, I sent an email with my personal account User:Sadads for eligibility for the WP:BNA partnership. It may have entered spam, please try to retrieve it and follow the instructions listed in the email, Astinson (WMF) (talk) 22:54, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Ballet bash at the Royal Opera House
Hello, Edward! Are you planning to attend the Kenneth MacMillan editathon on 25 Oct? I hope so, but whether or not you're going to be there, I'd like to pick your brains in advance, if I may: of the articles we all worked on at the Ashton editathon which, in your view, would be a good template to follow (layout, section headings etc) for the forthcoming event?  Tim riley  talk    08:49, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * And good morning to you, Tim. I was planning to email you, but you beat me to it. Yes, I will be there on 25 Oct. And identifying a "model article" makes sense. I will give you my opinion later today. Edwardx (talk) 09:25, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of One Commercial Street
Hello! Your submission of One Commercial Street at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 06:35, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Pubs
Are you aware of this: http://pubshistory.com/index.shtml Lists all the pubs that used to exist too. Should keep you busy. Dismal views on the last two DYKs. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:58, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
 * With WikiViewStats still out of action, I've not been following the numbers as I normally would, but you're right, Wikipedia article traffic statistics for the last two DYKs are disappointing. However, Gabriel Wells was good. Thanks for the reminder, I will explore further. I've used that site as a ref a few times. There are just not enough hours in the day! Edwardx (talk) 12:18, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Titanic link. And Sessler did 6k. Naylor is shaping up despite my disdain for his profession. I hope you are not going to come over all spiritual and mystic and start lighting incense at the meetup. (might be time to archive this page) Philafrenzy (talk) 12:24, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Naylor gives an interesting insight into the development of what has become a pervasive phenomenon in popular culture. Of course, star signs are ridiculous, but I would say that - I'm a Cancer. Edwardx (talk) 08:27, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I completely agree. We should approach these things as an anthropologist documenting an undiscovered tribe of Papua New Guineans. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:44, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Herbert Darnley?
Leave it if you don't have time to do the necessary review. I will have a pic shortly. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:47, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Added to the list. Not much time for WP right now, but it will get a nom. Edwardx (talk) 08:16, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Cool, vast numbers of these forgotten people. Fat-finger error seems to have strong clickability. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:48, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: September 2014
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DYK nomination of Barton Currie
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DYK for Endell Street
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Proposed deletion of Latham Withall


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DYK for John Cowan (photographer)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

New articles
Your industry is magnificent, sir. Yolanda Sonnabend now, I see! If I may say so, your short, sharp articles are a model of their kind. Though you must leave us something to do tomorrow week at the ROH bash!  Tim riley  talk    22:14, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 * You are too kind. And quite right Tim - if I start anything else, I will do merely enough to establish notability and avoid deletion. Edwardx (talk) 09:11, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Ronnie Spafford
In your opinion is Ronnie Spafford notable? Please cast your vote. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:32, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Green Man, Leytonstone
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