User talk:Edwink85

Why did you undo the changes for Go Ahead Eagles?

It is many old information. Edwin Lugt is already gone, the kits are totally different. It's season 2018-2019 now.

Kapten I Wayan Dipta Stadium
Dari mana tau kapasitas stadionnya sgitu bro sekarang? Mungkin bisa dikasi referensi. Pang nawang masih rage bro sbg nak Bali. Pang sing ngawag nganti-nganti. Pang beneh gen ne. Yen sing, kel revert editanne. Wira rhea (talk) 08:36, 27 November 2018 (UTC) Dari panpel BU. Ini data resmi.
 * Okay then. Suksma infone. Wira rhea (talk) 10:17, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Suksma mawali :)

2019 Bali United F.C. season
Plis bro, silahkan edit, tapi tidak dengan menggunakan referensi dari transfermarkt. Saya pernah dulu edit dengan data dari transfermarkt, dan hampir di-block. Mungkin bisa menggunakan sumber lain. Terima kasih. Wira rhea (talk) 10:28, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Biar gak di protes karena pake bahasa Indo. Maybe we should discussed it first in Talk:2019 Bali United F.C. season. Please just discussed it first before we started an edit war and we get warned to block. Thanks. Wira rhea (talk) 10:34, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Transfermarkt is more reliable than wikipedia bro. I have ton's of sources. Can't give up emails or whatsapp messages from club officials also. Wikipedia is full of incomplete data regarding the Indonesian league, as well as transfermarkt. That's all going to be updated by a team of both Indonesian and Non-Indonesian football fans. But if wikipedia is going to give problems to update it, then let it be as it is. All incomplete, not up to date. And with a lot of terror from people who don't like it. Like happened with for example Joey Suk his wikipedia.

And actually I have no idea how it is working with adding a source. It didn't work when I tried it. I'm also not as good with all the codes etc. I only have lots of complete data regarding Bali United but also about the Liga 1. Soon to be completed after the transfermadness is done.
 * Do you have many data regarding Bali United bro? Can you share with me? Or we meet in real life if you are stay in Bali to discuss about Bali United. Wira rhea (talk) 12:15, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes I have. I have the complete database from the first team. Which you can check at transfermarkt as they already took it over. I also have a database from Under-19 from last season, quite complete. And I have the data like about the stadium which I already updated before here. All cross checked with club officials/(ex-)players.
 * For transfermarkt I already know it. But for youth sector and club officials, I don't really get the data. Where do you live bro? Come on, maybe we can share about the data here or in real-life. Wira rhea (talk) 12:59, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

It was hard to find. Had to watch youtube movies from the youth teams a lot and checking social media. And sometimes Bali tribune had a interview with a youth player. It was hard to get. Hopefully most of them will join the U-20 team so I already have quite a lot info complete. For the officials I'm now waiting on the latest update. Just look me up on twitter. We will discuss over there further on.
 * Already lookup to your twitter account. Born in Netherlands? Cool bro. As for U-20 teams, I think most of U-19 players last season will join the U-20. But we'll see. By the way, do you have the data for coaching and non-coaching staff? Wira rhea (talk) 13:14, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes..just follow me and we will discuss and share over there!
 * Okay. By the way, a discussion already opened concerning transfermarkt in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. You can check it. Thanks. Wira rhea (talk) 13:17, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Transfermarkt
Regarding your edit summary. Since most of its content is user-generated, Transfermarkt is not a reliable source. Please do not cite or use the Transfermarkt website in articles. Thank you Hhkohh (talk) 10:33, 17 January 2019 (UTC) I think if you call transfermarkt not reliable, wikipedia is also not reliable. They check everything and without source your edit isn't getting accepted. All my data is from own research. Incomplete and not matching wikipedia data (most of the time English and Indonesian different information), newspapers and club officials. I can't give up all my sources. Transfermarkt is taking over all the information because it's checked and reliable.
 * So see WP:Wikipedia is not a reliable source and previous discussion in WP:RS/N and we should use a reliable source per WP:CITE and WP:V Hhkohh (talk) 11:09, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
 * If you cannot provide a reliable English source, it is fine to use reliable Indonesian sources Hhkohh (talk) 11:14, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

What source is reliable in your eyes then? Even Indonesian media is not reliable and full of mistakes. For example, one newspaper is talking about a contract till 2020 and the other one is talking about 2019. Indonesian clubs don't have websites which are up to date. So then are your online sources gone. That's why I'm working on my own database about the Indonesian league. All data I have I let verify by club officials or known supporters.

Btw. to check, just do a random update on a Indonesian player which is not true, without a source. I bet it will not getting accepted.
 * If you cannot verify which website is reliable or which media is right, feel free to open a discussion in article talk page or WT:FOOTY or WP:RS/N before you use it. Also per WP:BLP, all BLP articles must use a reliable source, it should be removed/reverted (but be careful when you revert/remove!) Hhkohh (talk) 11:34, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Btw. isn't it possible that the wingers are together with the strikers? referring to a subject about it here: "A winger is an attacking player who is stationed in a wide position near the touchlines. They can be classified as forwards, considering their origin as the old "outside-forward" position, and continue to be termed as such in most parts of the world, especially in Latin and Dutch footballing cultures. " The players from Bali United playing on the wings are forwards.

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