User talk:Eelrod937

AfC notification: Draft:WJWS-LP has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:WJWS-LP. Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 03:40, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: WJWS-LP (November 3)
 Your recent article submission has been rejected. If you have further questions, you can ask at the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:Afc_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:WJWS-LP Articles for creation help desk] or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help. The reason left by K.e.coffman was: This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia.

K.e.coffman (talk) 15:08, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

You must declare your affiliation with WJWS-LP on your user page
Hello Eelrod937. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, and that you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially egregious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to Black hat SEO.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists, and if it does not, from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Eelrod937. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, please do not edit further until you answer this message. Ian.thomson (talk) 03:44, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

I am the media teacher at Jasper High School, yes. But, I did not create this article. I also teach a Web & Social class that has nothing to do with our radio station. They felt learning how to submit a Wikipedia article would be a valuable skill. Obviously, a class project needs a point person, which in this case was me. I will pass these notes along to them, but it sounds like because I am a paid employee of the station licensee (Greater Jasper Consolidated Schools) that my account will not be able to post this article? It's also obvious that I am not experienced in writing articles or the intricate guidelines of Wikipedia, so I do hope you or someone can help them get their project published.Eelrod937 (talk) 04:15, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm going to assume that I did not create the article means that the students wrote the article and that you used your account to post it, because sharing accounts is not allowed.
 * You shouldn't move the draft from draft space to article space, but you can work on the article while it's in draft space. It looks like the biggest issue facing it is that the sources you've cited don't demonstrate widespread coverage, only local.
 * I do think that writing Wikipedia articles can be a great way to learn a lot of things (e.g. finding and citing sources, attributing and not plagiarizing, plus the topic itself), and I really wish I had some way to reward their efforts, but without sources showing more widespread coverage I'm not sure it'll be approved. Ian.thomson (talk) 04:21, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

How to write articles that won't be rejected
If you're going to write an article about anyone or anything that is not you or something you are connected to, here are the steps you should follow:
 * 1) Choose a topic whose notability is attested by discussions of it in several reliable independent sources.
 * 2) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find. Google Books is a good resource for this.  Also, while search engine resutls are tnot sources, they are where you can find sources.  Just remember that they need to be professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources.
 * 3) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.
 * 4) Summarize those sources left after step 3, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer.  Make sure this summary is just bare statement of facts, phrased in a way that even someone who hates the subject can agree with.
 * 5) Combine overlapping summaries (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports) where possible, repeating citations as needed.
 * 6) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism.
 * 7) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.
 * 8) Expand the article using sources you put aside in step 3 (but make sure they don't make up more than half the sources for the article, and make sure that affiliated sources don't make up more than half of that).

Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion.

If you are writing about yourself, or someone or something you are connected with (such as a friend, family member, or your business), the following steps are different:
 * 1) If the subject really was notable, you wouldn't need to write the article. Remember that articles are owned by the Wikipedia community as a whole, not the article subject or the article author.  If you do not want other people to write about you, then starting an article about yourself is a bad idea.
 * 8a) If the article is accepted, never edit it again. Instead, make edit requests on the article's talk page.
 * 8b) If the article is rejected, there will be a reason given. Read it carefully and closely.  If there are links in the reason, open them and read those pages.

Ian.thomson (talk) 03:48, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:WJWS-LP has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:WJWS-LP. Thanks! Worldbruce (talk) 06:02, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your constructive comments! You offered solutions that also did not seem pretentious. I don't exactly understand how we will ever be "notable enough", yet other high school stations just like ours are able to have articles. But, at least you gave us a solution. Thanks again Eelrod937 (talk) 04:14, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:WJWS-LP


Hello, Eelrod937. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "WJWS-LP".

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. CptViraj (📧) 00:45, 2 July 2019 (UTC)