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When her single and album simultaneously topped the main charts in both the U.S. and the UK in July 2003, she became the first act to achieve this feat since Men at Work in 1983 and The Beatles, Simon and Garfunkel, and Rod Stewart in the 1960s and 1970s; she is the first and so far the only female artist to do this. Knowles was consequently one of the biggest-selling artists of 2003. --Efe (talk) 08:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

In the UK, it debuted at number three with sales of 45,000 copies, and, with combined sales with the deluxe edition, has sold 497,000 copies and has been certified double platinum. The album has been certified triple platinum in the U.S. for shipments of over three million copies. The album has had global success, selling over seven million copies worldwide. --Efe (talk) 09:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

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In 2005, Minneapolis singer-songwriter Jennifer Armour filed a copyright-infringement suit against Beyoncé for allegedly using the lyrics and musical hook from Armour's song "Got a Little Bit of Love for You" Originally, the song came to Beyoncé's camp when Armour's former label manager, Marc McKinney, submitted demo recordings to record labels, including Beyoncé's Columbia Records and Sean's Atlantic Records, in late February to early March. An expert found Armour's slow and melodic song to Beyoncé's hip hop-oriented version having "substantial similarity". However, the judge who ruled in the case heard it "dissimilar". The long-running lawsuit was dismissed in 2006 in a federal court in Houston after Beyoncé's lawyers divulged the writing and recording of the song was "substantially completed" early in February.

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Please add your comments here. Thank you. --Efe (talk) 07:29, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Seems good to me, though the biggest change I can see is that all the times in the article where she is mentioned as "Beyoncé" should be changed to "Knowles". Please inform me when this has been copy-edited: I'll be glad to see it then. Great work. Acalamari 00:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Is it wrong to just say Beyonce? I think she is known for that name. Anyway, if ever we have policy regarding names, please tell me. I began copy editing yesterday, those minor grammar fixes. --Efe (talk) 04:11, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, look at "Irreplaceable". I used Beyonce instead of Knowles. They did not object during its FAC and it passed. Am confused. --Efe (talk) 05:41, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The image subsection under artistry, I believe, needs further editing. Its not well organized. --Efe (talk) 07:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sure there is a manual of style page somewhere that deals with referring to people by their last name rather than their first. That's why I mentioned changing "Beyoncé" to "Knowles". I'll have to find it, and if I'm unable to, I'll ask. Acalamari 16:14, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok. I'll wait for it. --Efe (talk) 00:54, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think this is it: Manual of Style (biographies). Acalamari 02:06, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Her name is even stated in the page. Ok, no probs, for formality and consistency sake. =) BTW, Indo suggested it would be better to transfer this to the main page. What do you think? --Efe (talk) 02:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If you think it's ready, go for it. Acalamari 02:17, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably after changing Beyonce to Knowles. --Efe (talk) 02:38, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Done with the naming issue. OMG, I have to fix "Irreplaceable"! =) --Efe (talk) 11:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow. If these are your babies, you've worked hard. I noticed the second album yesterday and was planning to work on Listen (song) to get the lot up to GT or even FT status. I'm glad I found this now: I would have been treading on toes. The first album would make WP:GT btw if you want to nominate it. -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk Contributions 15:49, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for snooping, but...
Here's my big, fat opinion. I actually like this layout. I like the separate column for the references. Some thoughts:
 * Can the text be left-aligned instead of centered?
 * Can the width restriction be removed just to see how it looks? Then the column widths will adhere to the length of the text and get rid of a lot of whitespace.
 * I'm worried about the image and the chart analysis/commentary at the top. I think these should stay as straighforward lists: once you start adding all that extra stuff at the beginning, it becomes unmanageable - trust me - everyone and their mother will start adding in tidbits and non-notable stuff to bring attention to "their" favorite artists... the same crap happens with the "achievements & milestones" article and I'm constantly having to cut stuff down there.  If the title is a "list of number-one singles" then the article should just have the list with nothing else.  Leave the extra stuff for the song articles.

Otherwise, great work - and thanks for reviving all the weekly references! - eo (talk) 12:48, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Eric. Thanks for the comments. I hope you will put up another discussion about tables on the project's talk page. As for your comments, I will try to address them tomorrow; its 9 pm here and I have to go home. As for the last comment, I am very careful about the analysis, only including those highlights. If we are to remove those stuffs and we are to nominate this for FL, the article will be lambasted for not having them. Its kinda intro of the list. I know we have different mindset; mine is just I am referring to some successful FLs of the project; they're even too detailed than this. But I believe we can settle this matter sooner. By the way, if ever this will appear on the mainspace as is and "others" start to add non-notable stuffs, please tell me. I'll help you protect the pages. Good night. --Efe (talk) 12:57, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Dates left aligned and width removed. It looks good now. --Efe (talk) 06:53, 10 January 2009 (UTC)