User talk:Efrain Ib

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Hello, Efrain Ib, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions, especially your edits to Draft:South County Economic Development Council. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful: Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on my talk page, or and a volunteer will visit you here shortly. Again, welcome!  Imzadi 1979  →   02:52, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
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 * You created Draft:South County Economic Development Council, which is essentially the same text as Draft:South County EDC, so I redirected your draft there. We don't need two draft versions of the same article.  Imzadi 1979  →   02:54, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Reply to your Articles for Creation Help Desk question
Hello, Efrain Ib! I'm Timtrent. I have replied to your question about a submission at the WikiProject Articles for Creation Help Desk. Fiddle  Faddle  22:37, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: South County EDC (November 15)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by DGG was:

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 DGG ( talk ) 02:06, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi, you should be writing your revised version at the same location as the submission that failed, not here on your user page, so that the development of the article can be tracked. Rankersbo (talk) 11:31, 21 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello, article re-written, and submitted to Draft: South County EDC, can you advise how many days before the article will be reviewed ?

thank you ! 20:25, 3 December 2014 (UTC)Efrain Ib
 * The draft has not been resubmitted for review. You'll need to follow the steps on Articles for Creation, which says to add  to the top of the draft. That will flag the draft for review. As for the time frame, that depends on how fast a volunteer gets around to your submission.
 * As a practical matter, there are several formatting issues that you can quickly change when you submit the draft for review.
 * Remove the bolded, all caps title from the top of the draft. We don't use all caps text on Wikipedia except in a few limited cases. Instead, the title of the article, and the alternate name and abbreviation should be bolded in the first sentence only. Just bold the other name and the abbreviation though, not the other wording or the parentheses. At the same time, the "Business assistance services:" text should probably be converted to a proper heading by enclosing it with == == around the text on its own line. The same would apply to "Current Initiatives Visioning Project:", "References:" and "External Links:". Drop the colons, and switch things to sentence case over title case. (Sentence case capitalizes things the same way we capitalize a standard sentence, so only the first word and proper nouns and names. Title case capitalizes every word like in a newspaper headline. "External links" is correct for Wikipedia, but "External Links" is not.)
 * There are no wikilinks to other articles. These are easy to add, and they help to interconnect all of the articles on Wikipedia to other related articles.
 * The article doesn't indicate where San Diego is. You and I both know it's in California in the United States, but imagine a reader from India or Botswana coming across your article. This reader wouldn't necessarily have a clue where San Diego is. "... established in 1989 by a group of south county San Diego business and community leaders." could be "... established in 1989 by a group of business and community leaders in the southern part of San Diego County, California, in the United States." (see how I linked that text by wrapping "San Diego County, California" in
 * All direct quotations on Wikipedia need to be attributed to a source. The simplest way to do that is to put a footnote to the source of the quotation after the sentence where it appears. Also, we don't use curly quotes (typographer's quotes) on Wikipedia, so they should be swapped out with the regular straight quotes.
 * The line beginning "SCEDC business assistance ..." shouldn't start with a space. That invokes the odd formatting you're seeing there.
 * After that, you have a series of lines starting with a hyphen. The server won't do anything special, and in fact, ignores the line breaks so everything runs together. Instead, if you start each line with a *, it will create a nice bulleted list.
 * The footnotes that appear in the same line after the bold "References" should actually be placed at the ends of the sentences or groups of sentences they support in the body of the article. A reader has no idea what is cited to what.
 * The external links should be converted into actual links as well.
 * If you have any questions, just let me know how I can help.  Imzadi 1979  →   00:32, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello Imzadi1979, thank you for being so helpful on the formatting ! Honestly you are the most understandable editor I have come across so far. Based on what I have submitted can you give me anymore feedback for any other glaring corrections needed to improve please ? My manager is pushing to have this up on wiki before end of Dec. BTW, we have something in common, I have visited Negaunee, MI, Champion, and camped on Lake Michigamme numerous times. Summer Sunsets over the lake are beautiful to see. Thanks for your help ! Efrain Ib (talk) 21:09, 4 December 2014 (UTC)Efrain IB

I see that you have a copy of the article on your user page, User:Efrain Ib. You should be editing Draft:South County EDC. There's an informal rule that editors are not normally supposed to edit pages in another editor's "user space". Plus, if the draft on your user page were accepted, your user page itself would have to be moved to create the article, and that will cause other issues.

I noticed that the version of the draft article on your user page included many of the formatting suggestions I listed above. There are still a few things though. The equals signs aren't the standard ones. They are  instead of. The software that converts Wikitext, the codes and text you see in the edit window, doesn't recognize  as the code to create a header.

The other thing is your footnotes aren't how we normally do things. The normal method is to add  after the sentence, and insert the contents of the desired reference there. For example:

This would give you:
 * SCEDC hosts an annual economic summit every year along with numerous other monthly business gatherings.

You'll also see that I added a  to the first reference tag that encloses the footnote. Later on in the article, you can then use:

to get:
 * SCEDC has supported South County Development Projects including: Chula Vista Bayfront Project,

When you name a reference, it can be reused. (Since my examples here share the same name, there's only one reference in the list below.) It will only appear in the reference list once, but the number will appear multiple times as needed. Instead of a list of typed-out references, just put reflist in the references section, and it will be replaced by the actual list of footnotes. As time goes by, that list will automatically update to include any new references defined in the body of the article, and the superscripted numbers will dynamically update. For example, if I edited this article tomorrow and inserted a reference in the second paragraph, it would be assigned the number 2, and then the previous 2 would become a 3 and the 3 a 4, etc. Reused numbers, like the 1 in the third paragraph would stay the same.  Imzadi 1979  →   21:30, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Imzadi1979, Hello made changes you suggested. Cleaned up user page. Corrected footnotes. However not sure footnotes are in proper format. Could you kindly check. Thanks for your help. Efrain Ib (talk) 23:33, 4 December 2014 (UTC)Efrain Ib
 * I took a look. The content of the footnote goes in between the , not in the name space. You also only need a single reflist then at the end of the article, not one per footnote. While I was at it, I put the citations in some templates (totally optional!) to get them to self-format. You can see what I did in this edit. I also added some wikilinks so that the draft links to other articles.  Imzadi 1979  →   00:54, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello Imzadi1979, thank you for going in and helping with the formating. Unless you see anything else the article is submitted and just awaiting review. Can you confirm this is correct ? Again, thank you for being pro-active and helpful. Efrain Ib (talk) 22:35, 9 December 2014 (UTC)Efrain IB

Your submission at Articles for creation: South County EDC (January 9)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by LaMona was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


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LaMona (talk) 23:36, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:South County EDC has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:South County EDC. Thanks! LaMona (talk) 23:12, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: South County EDC (February 26)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Arthur goes shopping was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


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Arthur goes shopping (talk) 11:07, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: South County EDC (April 10)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Kikichugirl was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


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&mdash; kikichugirl  oh hello! 17:49, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

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