User talk:Egeltjes

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Speedy deletion nomination of Aira Roland


A tag has been placed on Aira Roland, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, you can place a request here. - MrX 11:30, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

June 2014
Please do not add or change content, as you did to VT-3 Aira, without verifying it by citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. - MrX 11:34, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Egeltjes (talk) 12:00, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know which citing sources are defined as "Reliable". Roland, YouTube-video's, reading dutch magazines, such as "Interface" and my own visits to a (Dutch) music-store seemed not to be enough.
 * Also with immediately warnings about "Speedy deletion" and "Contest the nomination", then I don't feel any motivation about typing about the TR-8 and TB-3, which machines I do own.
 * Then I am afraid that photo's, which I made myself, are not welcome here too.
 * I realize your fight agains spam, commercial-usings and noncense is a continueing process, but I already had (and lost) such deleting wars on the dutch wikipedia in 2008 and I don't feel to have an other struggle anymore.

On behalf of the process: an apology
I have heard about your recent disappointments regarding article creation and the English Wikipedia. Wikipedia never likes to lose a potential good editor: it is one of the principal complaints we talk about, how would-be contributors become quickly discouraged and then simply give up, never to try again.

I have been editing Wikipedia articles for about six years. I remember creating my own very first article. It was lengthy, but was not very well sourced. I spent a few days expanding it, improving it, and then one day I logged onto my Wikipedia account and was notified that my article, my very first and most tentative step into the Wikipedia world, had been nominated for "Speedy Deletion." I was heartbroken. I thought, "Not even thoughtful or considerate deletion, but speedy deletion! It's like being put on the fast track for the dust bin!  Clearly I do not know what I am doing here.  Clearly I should stop even trying.  Clearly this is not a place for me.  Clearly I should go." It is difficult for me to convey my sense of disappointment.

The article ended up being deleted. In the end, I was okay with that because I had come to better understand what it takes to create an article in the first place. A month or two later I tried again, this time following the formatting rules very, very carefully on a very short article with a well-documented and reliable source. I braced for the notification to come in that it was going to be speedy-deleted... I had no belief that I had done something that would stand up to any scrutiny, even though I thought the article was on a valid, notable subject.

Today, that second article is still on Wikipedia. It doesn't get looked at very often, but I don't really care about that. The point is that I must have done something right because that second article has still not been deleted, not even proposed for deletion. All of the anticipated emotional upheaval and waves of frustration I was anticipating (and I am not even a person who suffers from any kind of emotional disorder, just a person with passion) never came to pass. Nobody cared, because that second article was truly legitimate, truly notable. It wasn't easy to have enough faith in myself to want to bother to try. But look! Here I am, six years later, and I am looking at you and am seeing myself, and I am offering out my hand to you (to you as my memory of me) and saying, "Hey, I know this is hard, but there are some pretty good things ahead if you will take my hand." Here is a hand... if you will take it. I do not claim to be a wizard of Wikipedia or to be certain I will never steer you in the wrong direction, but my goodness it would have made all the difference in the world to me if someone had been willing to do this for me six years ago. You will have to learn some things first, and be willing to listen to instruction and take advice, and it will be harder for you because you are Dutch. But as long as what you are interested in first and foremost is the betterment of what we call "the project" of Wikipedia and are willing to put that interest ahead of your own personal interests and aggrandizement and are willing to learn how that process works and to follow procedure and protocol along the way and to always remain civil in your interactions with others, then there may be good things ahead. Here is a hand.

But it is okay, of course, if you do not take it. I don't gain anything in particular by taking you under my wing. Wikipedia is not a pyramid scheme! All I am doing is seeing myself six years ago, naïve and inexperienced but excited and then broken. I guess this offer is, in a way, a very selfish one on my part. But I also think that this is the nature of altruism: it is selfishness that gets directed outward with an open hand. You know how to reach me back with yours. Good luck! KDS 4444 Talk  04:10, 2 July 2014 (UTC)