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Egyptian kids
Can you please provide a rationale for the deletion of the image of the kids on Egypt? Please see the talk page. &mdash; ዮም   (Yom)  | contribs  •  Talk  03:15, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

You may want to have a look
I noticed your comment at Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Deeceevoice and replied. Friday (talk) 15:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * By the way, if you can provide a few diffs that you think are good illustrations of the continuing problem, feel free to put them on that page.  Friday (talk) 15:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

al-Jabarti
Egyegy, please stop disregarding my source. You say that "most" sources accept one view, but you only offer one source providing that view, and disregard my just as legitimate source as holding an inferior view without any evidence. &mdash; ዮም  | (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 08:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:User ar-4
I see you've edited that userbox above, but instead of writing This user can contribute with an excellent level in Arabic why you don't write This user can contribute Arabic at a near-native level like all the other level 4 languages. ma'salama!

  Abdullah Geelah 19:02, 14 August 2006 (UTC) 

Copt
Hi! I wanted to call your attention to the content dispute on the Copt article to see if you wanted to provide any input. Thanks. &mdash; [ zɪʔɾɪdəʰ ] &middot;  t  22:27, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Editing of List of religions
I edited the article by moving "Egyptian mythology" to the African Traditional Religions section, but you took it out. Why? Ancient Egyptian religion is an African Traditional Religion.---Achillobator

Unspecified source for Image:CairoMosques.jpg
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We need your help!
Hi, Egyegy. A new WikiProject about Egypt was proposed. You can read the details here. I thought you would be interested, so, if you are add your name to the list. We need your effort. Thank you.

--Meno25 22:42, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The project is now active at WikiProject Egypt.


 * --Meno25 01:46, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I thank you for participating in the project and welcome you as a new member. We are now still tagging articles. The number of articles in the project is now about 380. (The Statistics box is not updated.)

--Meno25 00:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

why?
يا أخ ايجي أنت مدمت يتفهم مصري, أنا حكتبلك بالمصري , أنا أصلي عاوز أفهم حاجة هو انت ليه بتمحي كل حاجة ليها علاقة بالعرب مع مصر هي مصر دي الوئت أيه مش عربية و مش جامعة الدول العربية فيها على الأقل أنا بعرف أنه غالبية سكان مصر بيعتبرو نفسهم عرب و طبعا دي النسبة كانت أكبر بزمن دولا العلماء زي ابن يونس و أبو كامل و غيره على الاقل خلينا متوحدين زي ما بيعملو الايرانيين اللي مخلوش عالم عراقي ألا عملوه فارسيAziz1005 19:46, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I have no idea what you mean by the 2nd part of your message. It was you (or your IP) who erased Ibn Yunus's ethnicity completely and replaced it with Arab . They are Egyptians. Simple as that. They don't need more discription other than that. There was a discussion on the talk page about that too. Egyegy 19:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Ibn Yunus
Ibn Yunus is an Arab. See the discussion page plz. --Lanov 22:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I read the discussion. I am not convinced by your argument at all, needs reliable evidence from his time period. And even if I was, if he had one ancestor who migrated to Egypt from Arabia 3 centuries before he was born makes almost fully Egyptian. The actually proves that he's Egyptian since his maternal line and most of his paternal line would have been indigenous. But the main point is that the sources in the article shows that he and his father's whole worldview was based on Egypt and the Egyptian people. This gives an idea into how they identified themselves. Egyegy 01:53, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, his maternal line and most of his paternal line??? So do you mean that he is Egyptian from Arab descent? Is that really what you mean? Sorry, but all things you are saying is ORIGINAL RESEARCH. These thoughts in your "main point" has no value to any encyclopedia. One last question, what do you mean by reliable evidence from his time period? And do you have a reliable evidence from his time period that refer to him as Egyptian. --Lanov 02:31, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi
Can you enable your e-mail address please. --Mardavich 16:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

music of egypt and references!
There is not a single citation in that holistically HYPOTHETICAL article (Music of Egypt); and you have took down the templates. What a world we live in! Have fun! __Maysara 20:15, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * References are at the bottom Egyegy 20:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * WOW ... you actually think I haven't already looked at the "boطom"?!!

Redirecting "Talk:Copt/Ethnicity" to archives!!!
Oooh by the waaaaay! by thus redirecting, you're precluding the actual editing of the talk page itself, which used to be (made so for supposedly useful reasons) Talk:Copt/Ethnicity. What a mess you're doing! It says "be bold", not, be "so bold!"' __Maysara 00:13, 19 February 2007 (UTC)'
 * Dude are you alright? You seem to be losing it lately. Speaking of being bold, who appointed you doorkeepr to the article's talk page in the first place? No one asked you to move the discussion to a subpage. I am simply following Wikipedia's guidelines. Older inactive discussion are meant to be archived. If people want to open a new discussion, they can do it on the main article's talk page. We're not here to invent our own idiosyncratic rules! Egyegy 00:30, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


 * You obviously are not only following WP's guidelines; you also are following my edits! eradicating one after the other. But your limited understanding of how wikis operate, derives you to undertake these "not alright" edits: Guidelines are meant for those who need assistance in their editing activity and contributions, and they function as "rules" only in the context of a controversy or dispute over some operational or functional capacity of WP. Guidelines are no despot for whose service you can volunteer as a police officer! And you have missed it, because these guidelines were precisely quite "invented" by editors just look you and I. Not only that, they can and do change all the time (I myself have seen and contributed to such a change before). There be absolutely nothing "idiosyncratic" in what I have done or stated worthy of effort thus far! And after all, I have seen nothing like a guideline in WP that prohibits the creation of a sub-talk-page. We just do not ask for the permission of the elders and the guideliners whenever we venture to make any action in here; the question being in how useful, how sense-making something is, so as to approve of or oppose it. In fact, what you may find a prohibition of in your guidelines is, the writing and asserting of baseless fragments and statements in the body of an article; and I should remind you that, for some reason, you've took down the "unreferenced" template I once added in one such article. You do not attempt to talk before eradicating my edits, and this indeed is quite "so bold" of you. And then you allow your stomach to let go of such an utterance: "dude!" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Meeso (talk • contribs) 17:47, 19 February 2007 (UTC).

Mistaken block
User:Egyegy was improperly blocked due to an overly broad checkuser result by User:Jpgordon (i.e., me.) His block is not in any way to be considered correct or appropriate. --jpgordon&#8711;&#8710;&#8711;&#8710; 15:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Egypt articles
Hey Egyegy,

Notwithstanding the mutual reverts made my both of us just now, I maintain that it is important for contributors to articles regarding Egypt to edit such articles in a neutral, impartial manner, and in a way which best informs the reader.

The edits I have made to the Egypt page are essentially either:

technical (such as correcting the official name of the country as "Gumhūriyyat Miṣr el-ʿArabiyyah", (Misr rather than Masr, since Masr is the Egyptian Arabic vernacular not the official standard) and placing the modern Arabic names for the country before the anachronistic former names in the now unused Egyptian/Coptic;

the insertion of better English (the introductory paragraph regarding Sinai - Sinai is poorly described as a land bridge TO Asia since it IS in Asia).

However, there are 2 matters of greater concern. Firstly, the removal of mention to the Arab World when it appears next to the term Middle East. Inclusion of this term is common sense, and indeed necessary to inform the reader. It is a larger geo-cultural region to which Egypt is inextricably linked, and as such, its inclusion is factually accurate and important for informative purposes. Its deliberate exclusion can only be symptomatic of a general anti-Arab prejudice by some contributors who seek to deny or downplay the Arab aspect of Egyptian identity. Such acts reflect personal view, not facts, and compromise the neutrality and accuracy of the article. There are further such examples, some oblique but not the less identifiable, which I could cite in articles related to Egypt.

Secondly, the issue regarding the appropriate name for the Revolution of July 23 1952. This issue I have commented on substantially in the Talk section of the 1952 Revolution page, which I have flagged regarding neutrality.

Lastly, I hope you will note that subsequent to your guidance to check lead sections on other articles, I combined previous edits on the Egyptian pound in a form which I do not believe can reasonably be challenged.

As my sole concern is that accurate and fully informative information be placed on these pages, I trust that we share the same objectives. I hope that we will be able to probably analyze the issues raised above in a manner that is impartial and reflects commonly used terms rather than those that betray an ingrained personal prejudice.

Thank you.

Louse 08:52, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Arab Article
hey egyegy.. as i know. and the most of the people do is that the egyptians consider themselfs as arabs? but since there are an article in this wikipedia refered as Egyptian people and the history of egypt. they are more likly arabizied arabs. thank you regards

Re: Arab Article
then i am very sorry and thank you for helping me out best regards

Arabs
Neither you; How did you know that most Egyptians do not consider their selves as Arabs, officially Egypt is an Arabic country either Arabized or ethnically Arab it is still an ARABIC COUNTRY (why Egypt is called أرض الكنانة) Do you know what is Kinana? who are Fatimied who are sa3ayda الصعايدة Why nearly all Egyptians users speak Arabic as mother language, being an Arab does not necessarily means ethnic Arab .Also you can not say there is no one except Bedouins in modern Egypt  say we are Arabs!. Any way I do not want to start a new edit war with you. However, next time give solid sources, because your ideas still considered as original research --Aziz1005 22:23, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Don not remove the neutrality tag this is not acceptable. Your source is not encyclopaedic. The tag is already been put on the other section where the information there are well-known in the Arab world.--Aziz1005 09:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Rubbish! It's sourced more than a gazillion times through the Egypt article to where it links and in the article itself. You are just trolling as usual because you have no clue or idea what're talking about as judging by the nonsense above and are despartely trying to conceal the facts because it causes you to lay awake at night. Too bad! Egyegy 09:48, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok then keep on dreaming, ask any Egyptian child are you Arab or not, he or she will answer straight away YES I AM ARAB. It is simply fact. Why it is called jumhoreyyat masr elArabia. Anyway do not remove the tag, and I have studies and I don't have enough time to waste it with these nonsense.--Aziz1005 20:26, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if I'm intruding on this discussion, but I wanted to reply to Aziz1005. I am an Egyptian and I do NOT consider myself Arab. Many of my Egyptian friends, Muslims or Christians or Jews or atheists, do NOT consider themselves Arabs either. This is not to say that some Nasser-propaganda brain-washed Egyptian say they are Arabs, but there is a considerable number of Egyptians out there who do not consider themselves Arabs. Of course I am not in the position to say whether this is the majority of the people or just a minority. It is nevertheless a considerable number. Arabs, just like any invaders (Greeks, Romans, Turks, French, British) are foreigners to the Land of Egypt, and it is very unfair to call the entire population Arab just because they speak Arabic. After all, Senegal is not French, Austria is not German, Taiwan is not Chinese, Argentina is not Spanish, and Brazil is not Portuguese. Why should Egypt be Arab then? Peace--Lanternix 16:10, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

It is ridiculous and indeed offensive to imply that Egyptians who identify as Arabs are "Nasser-propaganda brain washed" individuals. One does not have to be a Nasserist to recognize the Arab aspect of Egyptian culture. Indeed, many fierce opponents of Nasser and the Revolution of 1952 were Arab nationalists. And I remind you of the fact that Egypt under King Farouk went to war for the cause of their fellow Arabs in Palestine in 1948 - 4 years before Nasser came to power. To suggest or imply that the Arab aspect of Egyptian identity was created by Nasser is patently false.

In its general usage, "Arab" is NOT a racial term except when applied to the indigenous peoples of the Arabian Peninsula and Jordan. Egyptians, Sudanese, Syrians, Palestinians, Iraqis, are all Arab by culture, not by race. Egyptians are descended from the ancient Egyptians, Iraqis from the Babylonians, Palestinians from Canaanites, Jews, Samaritans, etc. They are not descended from the peoples of the Arabian Peninsula. They are Arab by virtue of 14 centuries of shared history, culture, experience, etc. Some people feel a greater attachment to this than others. If some Egyptians wish to downplay the significance of this shared Arab identity, that is certainly their legitimate prerogative. Indeed, if some Egyptians wish to completely reject that identity, this is also legitimate. But it is deeply disingenuous to deny the reality that a majority of Egyptians, to a greater or lesser extent, acknowledge that part of their identity is Arab.

For those who propagate falsehoods on this issue, it is worth contemplating why Egyptians continue to feel deep sympathy and brotherhood with people suffering in conflicts in Palestine, Lebanon, or Iraq. This is not merely a matter of Islamic solidarity due to the demographic predominance of Muslims in the Arab World, for these same Egyptians are not as exercised by the plight of Muslims in Kashmir, or Chechnya, or southern Thailand for example. Their natural sympathies are based on a shared feeling of Arab fraternity, which is itself defined by the individual. No one can dictate to an Egyptian how he should express his/her Arab identity. It is a matter for that individual whether to be passionate about it, to be neutral, or to disavow it. Louse 16:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Copt
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Copt. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. Thank you. I make changes and discuss them on the Talk Page. You do not. I think it's pretty clear who thinks he/she is in a war. Thanks. --Lanternix 18:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I have blocked you from editing for 24 hours in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule at Copt.   Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text  below. ··coe l acan 22:20, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikimania 2007
Hi Egyegy,

Wikimania 2007, which is being held in Taipei, Taiwan on August 3-5, is offering opportunities for travel scholarships to Wikimania for active users of Wikimedia projects from the continent of Africa. Although the original scholarship deadline has passed, please, if you are interested, you may still apply at Scholarships. Sincerely yours, Cary Bass15:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Coptic flag
Hi Egyegy! The Copt article seems to have settled to a version that everyone agrees on, not sure if it's necessary or appropriate to delete the flag. Perhaps you could continue discussing it instead of reverting to the image of the cross? I remember vaguely adding the image of the Coptic flag to the article myself when I first came across it. I realize it's not recognized by the Coptic Church, but if there is a flag floating around used by enough Copts, then that it's enough to meet Wiki's attribution policy. It would be hard to prove it's OR. Otherwise, I'll check the Coptic flag article for POV. — Zerida 02:36, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * To add to Zerida's comment, and in a gesture of good faith, I will be glad to discuss the issue of the talk page of Copts. Thanks! --Lanternix 03:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Fayum mummy portraits
I think you misinterpreted my edits. I did not remove any information. I left the information present in the article untouched and simply readded the sourced and relevant info that was removed from the earlier version. Cheers, &mdash; ዮም  | (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 21:42, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Before you revert on Fayum mummy portraits again, can you please explain what's wrong with my rewrite? I've rewritten it to take into account that different sources have made different estimations and attributed those different estimations to the relevant sources. Also, there's no need to revert other info restored in my edit that does not contradict the info given by Walker (e.g. on who the paintings represent, the style of the painting, etc.). &mdash; ዮም  | (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 22:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you please discuss your concerns on the talk page? You're also dangerously close to surpassing the three revert limit. I think you're misunderstanding what the sources are saying. No source presented thus far has said that the paintings mainly represent Egyptians. What we have is a few sources from Britannica and Roger Bagnall saying that they represent the Greek inhabitants (i.e. the elite). The other sources, such as Walker, are concerned only with the general population of the province, not the particular subjects of the paintings. So there is a conflict when it comes to the population of the province in general, since a few sources say it was mainly Greek and Roman, while Walker says that it was only 30% Greek. Regarding the particular subjects of the portraits, however, the only sources we have say that they were of Greek origin. Let's discuss this on the talk page, please, and not engage in edit warring. Thanks, ዮም  | (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 01:44, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello
Hi Egyegy, I just wanted to let you know that I understand your frustration, and want to offer some friendly advice; please be careful with your words. As your edit summary here can be considered as WP:CIVIL and can have some unfavorable consequences. I'm not accusing you of this myself. I have been in the same situation and had the same emotions that I feel you are experiencing. I've been blocked before because of it, so I'm not being high and mighty here. Just sharing my experience with you. Even if that is true about POV and vandalism, try to not accuse vandalism violations in your edit summaries, but make a report or a request to comment. I don't want to see you blocked. Or you may try using non-inflamatory language and be careful what you put in your edit summaries (Oh, believe me, I know this is hard to do. I have to sit on my hands to resist the urge to call people names!) I just say it out loud, or in my head, instead of typing it out. :-) - Jeeny Talk 21:14, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks Jeeny, I'll be more cautious. Egyegy 22:52, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

reported Taharqa for sockpuppetry
Please contibute evidence/comments at Suspected sock puppets/Taharqa.--Urthogie 20:23, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Afrocentrism
Hello Egyegy; Would you please keep an eye on the following articles: That afroocentric person, Taharqa, continues to mess up with them. Thanks :) --Lanternix 07:53, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Saint Maurice
 * Appearance of the ancient Egyptians
 * Population history of ancient Egypt

Thanks
Thanks Egyegy for keeping an eye on my talk page. I was away for a couple of days and came back to see that this Taharqa had gone around the 3RR ban and tried to edit the article, in addition to his racist attack on my talk page of course. Is there anything we could do about him deliberately breaking Wikipedia's rules? Thanks again. --Lanternix 03:54, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

LOL
Are you wikistalking me? How many times have you been blocked? My "case" wasn't for wikistalking, and I was reported by an editor of your caliber (a racialist teenager). It was reversed/denied. Do not wikistalk me anymore, and tell me where I can post. - Jeeny Talk 04:35, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Me wikistalking? I've never been reported for wikistalking. Lanternix is on mine too, because we have history on each other's talk pages. Sheesh. How come you didn't responsed to User:Paxsimius when asking about the alphabet on Lanternix page, unless it was you watching me, heh? You said I should stick to the race articles, how do you know that if you are not wikistalking me? articles you never edit. Unlike me on the Ancient Egypt, etc. articles. I have more people for me than against me. And the person who reported me for a 3RR is a problem editor, just like yourself. My block was a mistake in haste. It was reverted. - Jeeny Talk 05:24, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * When you're rambling so much and not making any sense, it kinda says: Guilty! But a big LOL at your "Unlike me on Ancient Egypt, etc. articles", like you know what you're talking about. Consider my advice to you again and stop making personal attacks . Isn't it interesting that none of us make personal attacks or ethnic innuendos about you and your buddy Taharqa, yet this is the one thing you two seem to be good at! I might have been offended if I didn't feel so sorry for you. Egyegy 05:57, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Tanks
Thanks Egyegy, and I probably do need help with archiving my talk page :D Also, please keep an eye still on Saint Maurice and its talk page. That ugly afrocentrist statue should not be featuring in the article in that manner; it's a real disgrace. Thanks :) --Lanternix 15:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Egyptians
Hi egyegy, I have noticed you are a stong Egyptian antionalist. but let me ell you something have you been rading article under the "Who is an Arab"? headline?. It tells that speaker of Arabic can make someone to be modern day arab. im not telling you they are Arabs, Im telling you, They are conected to Arabs by language and culture please let them be on the Ethnobox. Balu2000 21:18, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * "speaker of Arabic can make someone to be modern day arab" = Arab nationalist nonsense. Egyegy 21:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * yeah thats nonsense, thats not my claims. read it on this arab people article. thats whats definied and thats what's going to b, so you are telling that Arab antionalist from Egypt are all false? Balu2000 21:25, 15 August 2007 (UTC) im putting them back.
 * They're entitled to their opinion but the rest of us don't need to accept something that was forced on us. Read Egypt. Egyegy 21:30, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Stop insulting others
Stop calling people trolls and adding wrong information. Funkynusayri 22:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't call you a troll, it's your editing (deletion) that is trolling. And we've already had this discussion. Egyegy 22:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Again, no one proved Egyptians to be a modern day ethnic group. So it's still misinformation. Funkynusayri 22:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

EgyEGY
I am not sure why many of the people in this page insist on including all Egyptians as Arabs! Last time I went to the Egyptoian nobility website they claimed the Arabs are 30% of Egypt. And modern Egyptian copts? (muslim or Christian) dont identify with the Arab identity (which I dont have a problem with). They have a neutral institute in Egypt (I watched it on Amr Adib), my suggestion is that you contact them and ask them to conduct a survey on how many Egyptians consider themselves Arab. I am 100 sure they are not biased, but I dont know the institue exact name. My estimate goes along the Ashraaf website of 30%, but those are just numbers. Danish people speak the same language as Norweigans but they dont want to be known as Norweigan so they called it Danish, both nations share the same history.

The Arabs conquered Egypt for so long that they lost their identity and it created a modern hybird identity (simlar to Persian, Sicilian, Maltese) although it is close to Arab culture in many ways it is still not Arab. myself I cant identify with Egyptians and I still think Egypt is under Arab occupation. (egyptians were rude to me in many times, which makes me indifferent about the situation, but the numbers should be fixed back to my older version, I used the numbers of the Ashraaf website, they proudly claim to be the Arab minority in Egypt and thats that!) you can get it back from Aug5 version, the other version without the countries gives the impression that the mashreaq and Maghreb is 100% Arab


 * I started a section in the talk page. I am not Egyptian and I agree with most of you believe in. so it should convince them--Skatewalk 23:21, 16 August 2007 (UTC):

The Egyptian identity section just saw it!
If the Egyptians wanted to be known as a distant group. They have to mention the Arabs (ashraaf and Bedouins 30% of Egypt roughly 25 Million) and the Egyptians 70% roughly 55 Million the majority. And Arabic language as the official language. Masri Dialect? if you want to call Masri a language then their are 300 Arabic languages. I can see why they are not allowing you reverts, because you are doing the same thing to the Arabs in Egypt! Its a known fact that 30% of Egypt are Ahraaf (or claim to be Ashraaf) thats Arabs or self identified Arabs. If you dont recognize them. How do you expect Arabs to recognize the whole Egyptian identity that you are working against by including the Arabs in it?. Egyptian Arabic is not a language, you should revive your old language instead of claiming Arabic as Masri! You can't have it both ways, either go Egyptian all the way or not.
 * AbdulHalim Hafez is Arab, his songs are done in beautiful Arabic. You are hurtiung your cause by including writers, singers who spoke and identified as Arabs. You have to fix The Egyptian article and include the Arab big minority and the Arabic language (so people dont get confused when they read the population 77Million and see it again in Arab! automatically they will think..oh Egyptian Arab) You cant convince the Ashraaf that they are Egyptians. They look down at Egypts past and they identify or (claim an Arab identity) which makes them Arab.
 * 70 % of 80 is about 55Million thats the population of Egyptians other wise you are just agreeing with the Arab article that includes all Egyptians as Arabs!--Skatewalk 23:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)