User talk:Egyptzo

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Thanks for your efforts in trying to improve the Ramesses II article. I had to revert the earlier additions I believe you had made because they were lifted more or less directly from other Web pages. The same rule applies to printed books too -- one of the cardinal principles of Wikiedia is that the information be available to everyone for free, and that means that you can't go including copyrighted text from other sources verbatim. So read the source materials and come up with your own wording for things, rather than glomming directly from a text you have read. There's also a general principle of not trying to advocate a particular point of view, so saying something is "the greatest" or "the worst" typically won't wash if it is an unsourced opinion. If you can find someone who actually says that, and you can provide a reference for it, that's valid.

There's more to it that just that, but I am just hoping to get you going in the right direction. I don't want to discourage anyone from contributing to the pages having to do with Ancient Egypt, and things will go easier for everyone if people understand the common principles for making valid contributions to individual articles.

For a good example of what's known as a "Feature Quality" article having to do with Ancient Egypt, see: Ahmose I as a good example. Another one that's close to Feature Quality status is Valley of the Kings.

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 * Fair enough. Have you added citations to anything as yet? If not and you are wondering how this is done, take a look at the edit text for Ahmose I and look for the &lt;ref&gt; tags for the format to follow.


 * To "sign" your messages in this space (or anyone else's user talk space) use 4 tildas at the end, which will be auto converted to your login name and when you submitted the piece. Cheers! Captmondo 16:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah, and by the way, you can use the "User page" (where you currently have "Wellcome"), for pretty much anything you want. It is most commonly used to let other people on Wikipedia know about yourself, and I have sometimes used it as a "sandbox" for trying to figure how to get things to work (like how to write the hieroglyphs that appear in some articles for example).


 * Good work on the Ramesses II article by the way. Need citations in certain areas still (and not just with the material you added) but it is shaping up well. Cheers! Captmondo 13:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Ramesses II article
Thanks for all the work that you have done on the above article. However, the article is now huge, and contains stuff that should really be in other articles - tomb of Nefertiti, Ramesseum for example. Obviously, this is just my opinion, but is it possible to move that information out of this article, and into the sub-articles, as this avoid repeating information across multiple articles. Cheers Markh 11:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, porhaps you are right about that. But there are also articles as huge as that of Ramesses II., take Thutmose III. as an example.Egyptzo 20:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Regarding edits made to Rameseses II
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Re: Ay
Just fyi, I *can* live with the phrasing "theorize" rather than "conclusively demonstrate" regarding Tut's wounds. Just curious: would you like me to scan a copy of the article for you to download?

For what it is worth, I'd much rather concentrate on making the Ay article focus more on his than on whether or not he murdered Tut (though how he came to the succession *is* an interesting subject to be sure).

Cheers! Captmondo 23:31, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Tutankhamun
Hello, Egyptzo, just wondering why you removed my addition to the article on Tutankhamun in your undo/edit at 23:31 19 December 2007 - you must surely be aware of the additional evidence gathered via CT scans and currently interpreted as supporting the hypothesis that Tutankhamun died through infection from his broken leg?

I don't wish to be harsh with an obviously fellow enthusiast of archaeology and Egyptology, but furthermore, you changed my edit to suggest that Tutankhamun may have died at war? Despite it being well-known that there are no written/hieroglyphic records of Tutankhamun ever participating in wars or battles at all? Aus Chia (talk)

February 2008
Hi, the recent edit you made to Ramesses II has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thanks.   Compwhiz II ( Talk )( Contribs )  21:40, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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Battle of Delta
Hi there. I would like to congratulate you for the article you just started. It seems you have been doing hard research about it. Also, I think you should add some references to the article because some users may challenge what is written there. You should also try to wikify the language of the article in some sentences like: “The attack of the Sea Peoples was probably the Egyptian’s greatest nightmare” to something like “The attack of the Sea Peoples was very dangerous to the Egyptian’s.”, and also change some like “They are the fiercest warriors that the Egyptians had faced” it seems exaggeration. I would give you a hand but I don’t know much about the battle. Anyway try to improve it further and continue the good work. User:Super Knuckles 23:30, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

High wats up
Hey, I want to thank you my Egyptian friend, greetings from Persia, thanks for updating my article of the Battle of Pelusium (525 BC). Anyways you reminded me that I should list my 10 created and 25 updated articles that I contributed to Wikipedia. And I am trying to further not just Wikipedia in Persian studies, mostly battles because I'm interested in it, but my own knowledge I want to expand upon. So, I just want to say thanks for the great article you produced. And please don't change anything on it, I did minor changes to make it look like other articles, and don't worry I did not change any info, but put in all veiw points, including Ctesiass' numbers and labeled it as coming from him, so the viewer won't actually think 50,000 Egyptions, and 6,000 Persians fell in battle as a accurate number, but just another unreliable source, just as in other articles putting the different strength number estimates in the campaign boxes. Anyways thanks again and I'll keep in touch on other articles to update.--Ariobarza (talk) 11:01, 27 February 2008 (UTC)Ariobarza talk

B. of the Delta
Dear Egypto, Thank you for your excellent article on Battle of the Delta. However, you slightly misread the battle: it was actually a combined land and sea operation by Ramses III. The pharaoh rushed to Ancient Egypt's borders in the Levant and defeated the Sea Peoples in a land battle. It was there Ramses saw that the Sea Peoples were actually bringing their children and wives to occupy Egypt and her Empire--that it was a mass migration. So he had scenes of this carved on his mortuary temple walls at Medinet Habu. After defeating the Sea Peoples on the frontiers of the Egypt's Empire in Syria, he then rushed back to Egypt to defeat them in Egypt's more famous battle in the Nile. I made these additions to your article.

PS: If you want to contribute an image, here is an example with an excellent rationale: If you don't give a rationale, it will be deleted in 7 days. I hope this helps. Leoboudv (talk) 05:58, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Dear Egypto, Actually the Battle of the Delta article 'as is' is fine. If you include a separate category for Ramesses III's land battle, it will be very short--more like a stub. But there are too many stubs on Wikipedia already. Since everyone connects the land battle to the Battle of the Nile, it may be better to leave it in the article. Then everyone will know that it was a land and sea based battle--but the sea battle has the more emphasis...which is what Battle of the Delta does. As an aside, including my reference from Bryce to Ramesses III's land battle component of the Battle of the Delta would also emphasize that the Sea People's attacks was not an ordinary attack but a vast migration of these people's to Egypt and Canaan. That is my idea: that the B of the Delta is good enough. Thank You, Leoboudv (talk) 19:16, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Dear Egypto, I just added a small part of my edit to the Battle of the Delta--the part about the Sea People's attack on the Egyptian Empire in Syria. It would give a perspective to the reader of the scale of the Sea Peoples's attack on both Egypt and her Empire. I hope this is acceptable. Of course, 90-95% of the article is concentrated on the sea battle. Leoboudv (talk) 20:08, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * An idea. If you wish, you could make a link to your future article on Ramesses III's land battle with the Sea People's in Syria to Battle of the Delta. But the land battle should be reasonable in size, as you note. Wikipedia claims it has more than 2 million articles--but so many are just stubs sadly. Leoboudv (talk) 20:12, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

If its possible, please try to give a general book reference or academic citation for your additions to articles. Much of the information on the battle of the Delta and and Kadesh is unreferenced. This means no one knows what is the academic source. The source might be Kitchen, Tyldesley or a long outdated book but no one can confirm it. As for me, I try to give references, if possible, so that other readers can access the information for themselves. If the info. is unverifiable, some viewers may claim it is just someone's POV. As for the article on Ramesses II, I personally believe it is a bit long but very good. It would be nice, though, if there were more footnotes for many of the quotes given here. Then the article would be properly documented. It is much better, however, than the short article in Encyclopaedia Brittanica on him. Regards, Leoboudv (talk) 21:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC) PS: Here is an academic citation I just gave for a quote by Kitchen on the identity of Shishaq: Hope this helps. Regards, Fabian Leoboudv (talk) 22:07, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. It is impossible to cite assertions from a movie obviously. Wikipedia has been trying to be more authoritative today by trying to get references, I notice. Leoboudv (talk) 20:08, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Ramesses II
I don't have any particular view on which version of the Battle of Kadesh is correct--in my opinion, they are both excellent. However, I notice your user Id is Egyptzo--so perhaps you favour the Egyptian side. That is OK but please don't forget that Ramesses II did NOT accomplish his goals at Kadesh. He never captured Kadesh--in contrast to his father Seti I. Ramesses almost died on the battlefield in a Hittite ambush. His personal leadership on the field of battle was admirable but he made critical strategic mistakes by believing the word of the Hittite spies--because he wanted to--and increasing the distance between his brigades which allowed the Hittite cavalry to attack each brigade separately. The Hittite records reveal that Ramesses was forced to retreat from Kadesh without an informal peace treaty and that he temporarily lost Upi. I am certain the Hittite side is right because Ramesses II faced several rebellions in the years after Kadesh. Egypt's vassals don't revolt unless they believe that Ramesses was weak in the aftermath of Kadesh. But only a few years later, Ramesses would be back in battle and he triumphantly captured Upi and even Tunip. Thus, the conflict between Hatti and Egypt was a rollercoaster--with neither side winning a permanent victory. Ramesses II lost the war at Kadesh but he avenged his losses just a few years later when that weak king of Hatti, Mursili III, assumed the throne at Hattusa. Regards, Leoboudv (talk) 00:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Egyptzo, Just say Ramesses II captured Tunip and Upi in his 8th year (I think) and leave it at that. If you mention all this pharaoh's Syrian campaigns, it would be too many for most readers to remember. I think Wikipedia wants good information on Ramesses II's activities but not too much details that people have to go through a new paragraph heading (ie. Fifth Syrian campaign) for the information on Upi and Tunip. If it reaches that stage, people might 'tune out' the article. Its a fine balance here. Leoboudv (talk) 22:28, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Battle of Djahy(12th century)
Dear Egyptzo, Thank you for your new article. However, I had to changed the title of your article to the Battle of Djahy(12th century). The battle did not happen in Gaza which is today on the southern border of Canaan/Palestine with modern day Egypt. It happened in Djahy or Lebanon which--in the 12th century BC--formed the eastern border of the Egyptian Empire. This is certain. I have 4 pages of Trevor Bryce's 1998 book 'The kingdom of the Hittites' where Ramesses III himself says "I equipped my frontier in Zahi (Djahi) prepared before them." (Extracts from Medinet Habu inscription, translation Breasted 1906: iv. 65-66) Trevor Bryce writes that the Sea People's "land forces were moving along south along the Levantine coast and through Palestine when they were confronted and stopped by Ramesses' forces at the Egyptian [Empire] frontier in Djahi (in the region of later Phoenicia)" (Bryce, page 371). Like Djahi, Phoenicia is located in Lebanon, not in Southern Canaan. see:

With kind Regards, Fabian Leoboudv (talk) 01:13, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I provided 5 academic citations for Battle of Djahy (12th century BC). They should help improve the quality of the article. Hope you agree. Leoboudv (talk) 09:43, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Dear Egyptzo, I checked the web page you gave me and noticed the author, Jimmy Dunn, made a mistake on the location of the land battle between Ramesses III and the Sea Peoples. Dunn writes: "He (Ramesses III) dispatched squads of soldiers at once to the eastern Egyptian frontier at Djahy (southern Palestine, perhaps the Egyptian garrison in the Gaza strip)" Dunn says 'perhaps' because he is not sure where Djahy really is. But every Egyptologist knows that Djahy was in Lebanon and that the 'frontier' Ramesses III referred to was the frontier of the Egyptian Empire in his time, not the frontier between mainland Egypt with Canaan/Israel today at Gaza. So, Dunn made a few amateur mistakes. I like many of Dunn's on-line articles but he is not an Egyptologist. Anyway, I hope my scans helped give you a larger perspective on the Sea Peoples and the end of Hatti. Bryce, like Kitchen, is a professional scholar. Regards, Leoboudv (talk) 07:58, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Reported to ANI
See --Doug Weller (talk) 13:28, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Dear Egyptzo. User Doug is NOT trying to delete your particular article on the Siege of Gezer. He is just adding some cautionary notes here. He added a sourced reference from Paul Ash to caution against Kitchen's interpretation. This is normal since we want a balanced article. I personally am Catholic and believe the authenticity of the Bible's account but I would let Ash's comments stay because it concerns the limits of using the archaeological evidence. (so we get a balance of opinion) It was I who initially gave the 3 footnotes from Kitchen's book on Siamun here and I don't mind that you use them in this article. SECONDLY, you know Egyptzo, the title 'Siege of Gezer' is misleading. A better title would be the 'Sack of Gezer' because the Bible only says the Egyptian pharaoh attacked and destroyed Gezer--nothing is said about a siege. You should got to Siege of Gezer and hit the 'move' button to change the title's name to 'Sack of Gezer' if possible Leoboudv (talk) 20:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

June 2008
Please stop. If you continue removing Articles for deletion notices or comments from articles and Articles for deletion pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. ''This is at least the 2nd time you have done this. The template clearly says do not remove until the issue is settled.'' Doug Weller (talk) 06:17, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

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