User talk:Eiorgiomugini/Archive 3

Citation format
Hello, Eiorgiomugini. The sources you provided for the China-related articles are wonderful, but do you think it would be more desirable to provide the pinyin and the Chinese characters as well as an English translation? It could help the interested readers locate the sources more easily. Cheers.--K.C. Tang 02:19, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Ordos
Thank you to stop reverting other's work (image placement etc..): I am not reverting yours. Also, major moves such as the tittle of an article usually warrant discussion. Regards. PHG 18:38, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Revert what, I think the image is good for one in each section, I don't know about you, but that's the usual way I do, if you like you might list three of them. Eiorgiomugini 18:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Many of your edits have value, but please stop deleting other's work and try to maintain balance. Is there no history in Xinjiang before the Xiongnu?: it is perfectly legitimate to have a segment on nomadic cultures, improve on it if you wish, but do not delete it outright. The settlement of Sakas in the Ordos is amply supported by tombs, skeletal remains, artifacts, and referenced through specialists such as Lebedynsky. Also please follow Wikipedia rules by remaining civil (WP:Civility): refrain from such expressions as "Who would buy this crap anyway". PHG 05:09, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

You have no reason to remove my edits, what I removed earlier were all unsourced, if you think you could bring them back, go on then, nobody is stopping you, but reverting my edits is not an opinion. There are history before Xiongnu occupation in Xinjiang of course, but I had explicitly mentioned you needed to repharse in order to avoid duplicated content. Did I not? Or do you think that I am too stubborn like you. The settlement of Sakas are not amply supported by archaeological finds, specialists like Lebedynsky did not investigated or analysis those artifacts or human remains, it should be noted that almost all sources I had show shown otherwise, yours might be referenced but means nothing either in quantity or quality, so you can either keep the current status or insist on changing the section. And thanks, I am remaining WP:Civility, you don't have to instruct me what to do. "such expressions as "Who would buy this crap anyway"" Is a crap, what do you want me to say? Eiorgiomugini 05:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Please give a textual quote for the theories you mention regarding the Ordos people (a few line from... Ma 2005?) would suffice.PHG 08:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't help your request. When I asked for a quote earlier, I was asking for an extract from old text like Shan Hai Jing, I had never thought that you would do in a same manner to me. Eiorgiomugini 08:17, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Your main reference is a rather obscure assitant-professor called Ma Liqing, who only publishes in Chinese, something already rather disputable for an English-language Wikipedia. The least you could do is provide the actual quote from which you are basing your contributions, just as I did with Mallory. PHG 10:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry, but could your sources provide more in-depth information by the way? So far what I seen are much of the guessworks. I brought it because is price cheaper, no particular favorable reason. So what it is Chinese? This kind of argument could lead you nowhere, if it was sourced is not disputed (by you of course), I hope you do get that. I don't understand what is your ground for making this sort of changes. One more removal without giving your reason first, I might simply revert it. "just as I did with Mallory" Great job and so? You're in agony on doing that? I didn't removed your reference didn't I? You speak it as if yours are English-language source. You want a quote? You better be more courteous with me. Eiorgiomugini 11:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Foreign language sources from unknown scholars are quite questionable as reference: you need to document it further otherwise it risks being erased. I already provided 3 quotes from well-known international scholars (Mallory and Lebedynsky) based on your requests, so it's your turn now Eiorgiomugini. PHG 18:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry, but Lebedynsky is an unknown to me as well, just because they are known in some limited region doesn't mean anything. Your three quotes said about what anyway, I just couldn't see it, first of all there is no scholar that link the 'whites'/baimin or whatever you wanna called to the Yuezhi, while Mallory claim there's some, although which some? Before I provide my quote I need to know what did you meant by anachronistic comment? And why do you think the last segment should be removed. Why don't you provide more information on Lebedynsky, who is he. So far I can see that he only publishes in french. Eiorgiomugini 22:54, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Eiorgiomugini, it is normal to put the original title when a book is published in a foreign language (because, otherwise, it is just your translation of the title). Lebedynsky is professor of History at the National Institute of Oriental languages and Civilization. He is Ukranian, and publishes abundantly in French, a language which is usually easier to use as reference for an English-speaking publication. You will need to give a quote, and translation for your claims. Please respect the 3RR rule, otherwise you will be banned again: you are not acting with the rules of Wikipedia (Revert rules, Civility rules, Refusal to provide quotes and more detailed references when needed)PHG 05:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

PHG, those addition of foreign language script is not a must to do so, there is no guildeline about this. Mine or your translation is just as good as it can be, there is no such thing as WP:OR on translations done by wikipedians. If you could provide more about Lebedynsky please do so under his article (with source of course), alright. I am respecting the rule, which was why I asked you not to made any move before I provide my quote. Speaking of civility, I don't think you're being polite when asking for my quote, and secondly your comments are pretty much despise towards me. Eiorgiomugini 05:21, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

If your reference is challenged, it is normal on Wikipedia to privide original source with translations. This has already been requested by other users on this very talk page. Why is it such a problem for you to put the original quote: this does cast a doubt on the veracity of your references. Civility: you are the only one using rude language here, and being uncivil in you edit. The Edit History of this page is full of Wikipedia contributors asking you to be more civil. I am just asking you to provide a quote, there is nothing "uncivil" and no "despise" in that. PHG 05:29, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Do you have any policy or guildeline for this? There are no such thing as a source must came with a quote, there are thousand of wikipedia article without any quotes when backed up by citation. Which is why on the first hand you're asking me to do you a favor, therefore needed to be polite. And no, I did not used any rude language nor against you. First of all those quote are in Chinese, and most importantly I need an answer for the removal of last segment of my addition. Thanks Eiorgiomugini 05:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd love to have the original Chinese and your translation of it. It will only add to the authenticity of your reference. I do it all the time with non-English sources, and is often the case for non-English sources (see Wa (Japan) for example). Your paragraph "The Jie numbered 200,000 in population were completely exterminated by the Chinese in 350s, its been suggested that many of them were castrated" is irrelevant (The Jie rather than the Ordos), anachronical (5-6 centuries after the Ordos). PHG 05:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

First of all, my translation would not be as good as a native English speaker like you, and since you said your Chinese is only superficial, it would be a difficulty for us. Lastly, if you're intented to remove the last segment of it, I might as well removed the whole addition, in that cases, I won't have to waste anymore of my time for the quote you requested. Eiorgiomugini 05:40, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

OK. I had removed those alright. Would you kindly stop bothering me anymore? Thanks Eiorgiomugini 05:55, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

History of gunpowder
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