User talk:Eitch

Userfication
I have userfied this article per your request, at User:Eitch/Claremont Braineaters. Please be aware that the May 11th edits are after the deletion discussion was completed and the original article was deleted (it was recreated by the original author, and then deleted again); I assume you know enough about wiki article history to sort out what was there when. Let me know if you have any questions, and if/when you're done with it so I can redelete the content. -- nae'blis 16:16, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, will do --Eitch 17:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it's been nearly a year and I've finally done a serious edit of the Braineaters page. I'd like to reinstate the article and see what the detractors have to say about it, but I can start for a deletion review if you think that's the way to go. — eitch 16:27, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay in responding, I don't login much these days. I think the article is a good start, but the big thing to avoid re-deletion/overturn the AFD is showing that independent sources find the Braineaters notable. News media coverage, any books on the subject or magazine coverage that isn't specific to the school, etc... specifically, any opinion statements such as you have in the lead paragraph should be cited inline if at all possible, or removed/reworded. -- nae'blis 15:32, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Eitch/Braineaters...

 * 1) 3.4.3 Brianeaters

Poor Brian. And I thoroughly enjoyed the page and links. -fish 19:41, 17 September 2007 (UTC)


 * What? And, Which page? --Eitch 23:32, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I think you updated the contents yesterday, but before you had, Section 3.4.3 was in contents as "Brianeaters". As it's your page, I figured I'd let you change it. Evidently, you did so before seeing this. -fish 22:34, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Gotcha. But it's not my page — it was deleted over a year ago, and it was moved to my userspace temporarily while I worked on bringing it up to spec. Didn't touch it until yesterday, but finally things are moving. — eitch 01:20, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Fourth opinion on booking ahead
Hi Eitch,

I added a comment at Talk:Contra dance that you might be interested in.

Joriki (talk) 21:33, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * (I did read this at the time — just in a bit of wikilag) Yes indeed, glad to see someone else take issue with that non-committal third opinion. Looks to me like this will never be resolved. Now every time I see or  I wonder how many points in WP are permanently frozen in dispute. — eitch 06:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

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roque now
Hi, I noticed you've been a frequent editor of the roque article. Any chance you're actually a roque player? I've just started the project of restoring a roque court, and wondered if you happened to have any information on where I could find court maintanance tools, balls, mallets... anything, really. — eitch 23:52, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I used to play roque growing up at Chautauqua, Illinois. Unfortunately, I haven't played in years, so I don't have information that would help you. Doc &#9836; talk 23:58, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey! Unfortunately, I know absolutely nothing about it -- I was just exploring the more obscure former Olympic sports...  Good luck!    --nathanbeach   20:42, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

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IPA
Hi H,

The problem with Heorot [see this message I wrote kwami — eitch 20:01, 10 July 2009 (UTC)] was that is not a (Modern) English pronunciation: If you check the link, you'll see that neither of the vowels are supported by the English IPA key. Therefore neither pron-en nor IPA-en is the proper IPA template for this pronunciation. As for, that comes pretty close to violating English phonotactics. I'd like to see a source that it's actually pronounced that way in ModE. (From here, I'd guess it's maybe .)

With Escalante, Utah, I'd be quite surprised if it's actually with two full, unreduced s. That would mean that the  has the same so-called "secondary stress" as the, giving it an artificial-sounding, rather staccato rhythm, almost as if it were an acronym "Es-Kell-Lanny". I can't think of any English word which does this. Are you sure it's not, with a reduced a? kwami (talk) 06:00, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Heorot: I didn't mean to voice support for the transcription of Heorot that was there (I know nothing about OE pronunciation). Just seems to me that the way to address a problematic IPA transcription is to fix the transcription, not remove the IPA entirely, and I was worried that maybe you had wanted AWB to replace pron-en with IPA-en and that, without your noticing, it had messed up.


 * As far as the transcription itself, I personally wouldn't hold [ˈhɛo̯rɔt]'s using vowels not found in modern English against the trascription, since it is after all English (again, I don't know anything about OE pronunciation, and I don't claim that [ˈhɛo̯rɔt] is right, but I'd want different reasons to be against it). It seems to me that the sort of person who says "Heorot" is the sort of person values a retention of the native pronunciation (that is, I don't think this is like München/Munich, where a modern English word with only English vowels has arisen). There are probably classicists who discuss this issue — whether it's "correct" when speaking modern English pronunciation to pronounce Old English in a modernised or historically accurate way or not… but I have no idea what those classicists say, so I'd better stay out of that discussion!


 * While we wait for citations, would you feel better if we put the trascriptions that have non-English vowels in brackets rather than slashes?


 * Escalante: (Disclaimer: I'm not in Escalante now, and I don't have recordings of locals saying the town's name.) It's true that, in English, shwa-ness and reduced-ness are generally thought of as going together — when this doesn't hold, it's probably a dialect difference, or it's too hard to know exactly how the vowel should be trascribed and ə is good enough, etc. Accordingly, it's conventional to use ə when the vowel is unstressed. Given those two, it's reasonable to infer the inverse: that ɛ implies stress. That must be why you, knowing all that (better than I do, I expect), read /ˈɛskɛlæni/ as essentially a shorthand for /ˈɛsˌkɛ.ˌlæni/. But it is possible to have an unstressed unreduced vowel, and that is what I claim for the second vowel of this particular pronunciation of "Escalante".


 * There are languages where this isn't unusual (e.g., Hawai‘ian "mele" (song), [mɛlɛ]; the Romanian town "Sibiu", [sibiu]; the 'ense' in Spanish "ensenada" (cove), [ɛnsɛ] (maybe the "nada" too, [nɑdɑ]? I think so, but my Spanish isn't good enough for me to be sure). Even in English (where Americans often show their non-nativeness with [mɛlə] or [ɛnsə]) you get it now and then (e.g., the first "i", /i/, in "association").


 * (This is completely speculatory, but the historical Spanish influence on the American West might have something to do with people from Utah being able to say [ɛskɛ] without stressing the second ɛ. I hadn't wondered before whether you'd hear unreduced unstressed vowels in non-Spanish-origin words in the southwest US. Certainly you sometimes hear /i/ for the "i" in the English word "Mexico" there.)


 * Since we're talking about a local pronunciation (disregarding any speculation about how that local pronunciation might have come to be), I think it's important to be as specific as possible. The problem then is how to transcribe the IPA in a way that won't trick phoneticians. As far as I know, there's no way to overtly mark lack of stress on a vowel, some sort of /ˈɛsk x ɛ.ˌlæn x i/ — is there?


 * Actually, there's no such thing as "secondary stress" in English. When a dictionary marks a vowel for secondary stress, and it occurs later in the word that the primary stress, what that means is that the vowel is an unstressed but unreduced vowel. When it's not marked for secondary stress, then it's a reduced vowel, though not necessarily a schwa. (Webster's does this, the OED does not. When "secondary" stress occurs before the primary stress, then it's actually primary, but isn't as strong when the word is spoken in isolation.) would seem to cover your description: stressed-unreduced-unreduced-reduced. — eitch 17:49, 8 July 2009


 * Anyway, I'll copy this discussion into the article. kwami (talk) 22:22, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

''' I'm closing this thread. It continues on the Escalante, Utah talk page'''; further edits here will be moved there. — eitch 20:01, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

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Question about English stress
Hello there!

I was wondering if you could help me out. You've said:

"When "secondary" stress occurs before the primary stress, then it's actually primary, but isn't as strong when the word is spoken in isolation.) /ˈɛskɛlæni/ would seem to cover your description: stressed-unreduced-unreduced-reduced. — eitch 17:49, 8 July 2009"

My question is: in a word such as "outside", there would be, then, two stressed syllbales (two primary stresses)? But how can that be if a word can only have one stressed syllbable?

I hope you can help me, I've been trying to get my head around this for sometime now!

Thanks. Lola. 187.40.13.232 (talk) 14:23, 1 April 2011 (UTC) 187.40.13.232 (talk) 14:27, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Pallanguzhi
Hello! You wrote that Kaashi (spelling?) and Bank are two popular variants of Pallanguzhi. I've never heard of these two games and "bank" doesn't even sound very "Indian". Could you please give me more information?84.175.173.15 (talk) 17:28, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry to keep you waiting so long for a response. My editing of Pallanguzhi and other traditional mancala games has been only that: editing, primarily to work on the "List of mancala games" and the category "Traditional mancala games." I have no expertise on Pallanguzhi, Bank, or Kaashi. (I'm also a little confused: I don't see any mention of "Kaashi" or "Bank" in the Pallanguzhi article… now, or in the 3 April version.) — eitch 14:12, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

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