User talk:Ejanev

Sockpuppetry case
You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Suspected sock puppets/Ejanev for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page.

Warning
Please stop removing information from articles. Wikipedia is not a blog and you cannot just remove what someone has writtne and has given Sources for. Wikipedia has rules and you should adhere to them. As you continue removing sourced content from articles and refuse to acknowledge the wanrings, you might be blocked from editing the encyclopedia (even aside the Sockpuppetry case). -- L a v e o l  T 17:25, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey Laveol: Your writings for the Lazar Kolisevski page are Nationalistic Bulgarian Propaganda. Your views are offensive to the Macedonian People. Refer to the Lazar Kolisevski under Macedonian Language Wikipedia:

[Kolisevski]

Your views are drastically different from the Lazar Kolisevski's page in Macedonian language, and Macedonian History.

I am born in Sveti Nikole, Republic of Macedonia. Have lived there for 30ty years and for sure I know that ethnic and cultural specifics of my town and my country.

Check [Factbook] for Macedonia, and people living in Macedonia. Please do try to find Bulgarian People there.

The book you have cited in the article is a Pure Bulgarian Nationalistic Progaganda, that negates the Macedonian Nation, Macedonian History and Macedonian Language.

I have started editing the page recently, purely as it contains untrue and offensive information which is far from the reality, and has one sole purpose: Negation of Macedonia and it's History and language.

Please note that under the [Kolisevski] there is no book from a Bulgarian author cited, but books published in Macedonia.

Please write for the areas where you can truly contribute with encyclopedic and scientific knowledge, without expressing views that are based on the reality. Bulgarian Propaganda is based on Romantic Natinalism from the 19th century, while Macedonia was still under the Ottoman Rule. In this century of open information and collaboration, You just can't continue with that outdated propadanda which is offensive to the Macedonian People.

Keep in mind that Lazar Kolisevski was a Macedonian. Has never expressed any claims that he is not Macedonian. Regardless that you have a link to a document asking the Bulgarian Tzar during the Second World War to revert his death sentence: During World War 2 and the occupation of Macedonia by Fascist Bulgaria ( Fascist as the same was true for Germany, Italy and others during World War 2 ), Bulgarian forces were not recognizing Macedonians as such, but as Bulgarians. Given this what was to write he in this letter. Also before the World War 2, between the Balkan Wars, and World War 1, and World War 2, the same people that were claimed by occupant Bulgaria as Bulgarians, were claimed by Serbia as Serbians. After the liberation from the Bulgarian and later German occupation, people were free to express their Nation as Macedonian.

Please do not return us in the times before the World War 2. Macedonian Nation is recognized as such, same is for Macedonian Language and the state - Republic of Macedonia.

So the edits were not true, Anti-Macedonian, and myself as a Macedonian, could not let that propaganda on Wikipedia exist.

I love Wikipedia, and I regard it as a great information resource. As your edits are not in line with what Wikipedia mostly is, I just edited the page to take the false information out.

--Ejanev —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ejanev (talk • contribs) 17:41, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Nice, but what I say is sourced and what you say is Original research. I do not claim that he was Bulgarian, but that his parents did self-identify as such. And he did it as well in some point of his life. These are facts and they are sourced. You should prove what you're saying, not just call sourced info, nationalistic propaganda. -- L a v e o l  T 17:51, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Laveol: If your parents were Turkish, you are turkish. If your parents are Bulgarian, you are Bulgarian. Kolisevski having Bulgarian parents and he being a Macedonian is not true. Not only his parents byt other peoples parents in Sveti Nikole were Bulgarian under by Bulgarian occupation in the Balkan Wars and in the World War 1. Making a point on that is a Anti-Macedonian Propaganda. Please note that this Bulgarian Propaganda, is offensive to us Macedonians. We are Macedonians. Our grandparents were sometimes Serbian or Bulgarian when Macedonia was occupied during the Balkan and World Wars. Macedonian people was free to express the ethnicity/nationality after the liberation, after the World War 2. Citing Bulgarian and Serbian Sources from before that time is not relevant. You can find that my grandfather from my father side was fighting for the Serbian Army and my grandfather from my mothers side was fighting for the Bulgarian Army. They were assumed as Serb, Bulgarian by them. And there are documents that they were Serbian or Bulgarian. This is not relevant. There was no Macedonian State at that time. You can not use it to claim any Bulgarian or Serbian ethnicity for the Macedonian people.

--Ejanev.

Sockpuppetry case
You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Suspected sock puppets/Ejanev (2nd) for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page.

Your recent edits
Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) at the end of your comment. If you can't type the tilde character, you should click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! --SineBot (talk) 19:07, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Edit warring through IPs
It seems more than likely that you have been deliberately logging out, or not logging in, in order to edit war, as per the above sockpuppetry case. Please remember that edit warring is frowned up, whether through a registered username or an IP address, and you should refrain from doing so in the future. GBT/C 10:42, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You do not appear to have taken the previous warning on-board, and have continued to log in and out to continue your edit war through the use of IP addresses. I have therefore blocked you for 24 hours, and will post the notice below. GBT/C 20:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text below. GBT/C 20:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

The main reason I was editing this page is because contributions by user "Laveol" are offensive to the Macedonians. Lazar Kolisevski was a Macedonian, from Republic of Macedonia. But still he does not deserver to have false information published under his English Wikipedia Page. I have to add that Macedonian Wikipedia Page about Lazar Kolisevski is what the English Page should be edited. In general there are a lot of negation politics from the Macedonia's neighboring countries. Any of them would negate something about Macedonia: country, nation, language, culture, history, name and so on. The information from Laveol is in line with this negation policies of those countries, in this case from Bulgaria. Bulgarian Nationalistic Propaganda is mainly based on negating the Macedonians as a separate nation, Macedonian as a separate language, same about the history.

Given the (non)popularity of Lazar Kolisevski in the modern times Laveol was able to edit the page and have that false information be viewable to Wikipedia users. This was over that top and I decided to take action about it - Delete the false information, which is not only false, but is offensive to Macedonians and Macedonian People.

When you are Macedonian, your parents are Macedonian. Not Bulgarian or any other nationality. When you talk about this sensitive topics, you cannot use books published in Bulgaria, as most of them are Propagandistic, working on the principles on 19th century Bulgarian Nationalistic Propaganda and Expansionism.

So the reason why that information by Laveol is deleted by me is that it is false and offensive to Macedonians.

--Ejanev (talk) 01:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a battleground
In a 2007 arbitration case, administrators were given the power to impose discretionary sanctions on any user editing Balkans-related articles in a disruptive way. If you, you may be placed under sanctions including blocks, a revert limitation or an article ban. Thank you. Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:45, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with this. I have to say that Wikipedia is not a place for insulting the Macedonian Nation, Macedonian Language, Macedonian Culture and Macedonian History. There is a lot of Bulgarian Nationalistic Propaganda which is Anti-Macedonian. It is highly offensive to the Macedonians. In most cases the goals of this propaganda is to put a Bulgarian nature to the things that are not. Wikipedia is a collaborative environment, and should stay that way. When there is a way for this Bulgarian Nationalistic Propaganda to polute the articles about Republic of Macedonia, it is just not justified. I am just giving my efforts to clean this offensive material. --Ejanev (talk) 06:07, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * My warning goes specifically for the stalking you've done against User:Laveol. Almost every edit you've ever made was a revert of an edit by Laveol, or a talkpage rant attacking him. Do please stop that. You may have disagreements with Laveol (heck, so do I), but he is actually one of our more moderate and constructive contributors and I'll ask of you to do your best engaging in constructive, civil debate with him and others when you have such disagreements. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:10, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Be advised
This kind of editing is not condoned. As stated above, Wikipedia is not a battleground. It is also not a soapbox to advance your personal agenda. Please do not try to recruit, encourage, condone, or defend other users to perform or to continue performing actions that violate those policies. Thank you. Thingg &#8853; &#8855; 19:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi "Thingg". To bring you an idea to understand this case: Think about Al Qaeda members having a main word in the articles about USA, and USA matters. Believe me you won't be thrilled with that. Same is with the Balcan Nations. When you have your neighbors to edit the things about your domain: country, nation, etc., you'll have this kind of a situation. The whole intent of the English Wikipedia articles about Republic of Macedonia and it's domain is to reflect the truth and reality. All of the neighboring countries historically have had some issue about Republic of Macedonia. The Bulgarian Nationalistic View is that there is Macedonian state - Republic of Macedonia, but not Macedonian Nation, Language, Culture, History. Living in the 21st century where politics of negating the neighbors, assimilation, breaking the human rights for self-proclamation and identity really do belong to the past. Please take this into account. Best Regards. Sincerely. --Ejanev (talk) 20:04, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

May 2008
Please stop your disruptive editing. If your vandalism continues, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. ''Stop it already - the article has a source and it is his own biography. If you want to battle go to a forum or something. This is not the place where you can simply remove whatever you don't like. Wikipedia has rules and you'll either adhere to them or not edit at all. ''  L a v e o l  T 00:28, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Laveol: When you claim a Macedonian person is a Bulgarian, is the same offense as when someone says that you as Bulgarian are a Tatar. The Bulgarian Propaganda that you are pushing on Wikipedia has gone really far. You have spoiled with Bulgarian Nationalistic Propaganda many of the articles about Macedonia, Macedonian People, Macedonian Lanuage, Macedonian Culture and Macedonian History. Point of view of this Bulgarian Nationalistic Propaganda that put Bulgarian Nature to the articles in the Macedonian Domain might pass at some circles in your native Bulgaria. There Bulgarian Propagandistic views do not have any support in Republic of Macedonia. Thus you writing about people or historical figures from Republic of Macedonia and claiming they have or had Bulgarian nature are good for your home use. Wikipedia is a collaborative effort to bring the proven and commonly accepted information to the World. What you are doing is a Bulgarian Nationalistic View that is not accepted outside.

To shed some light and give a comparison to other people that do not come from Balkans:

- Example 1: Conditionally, it, Tibet becomes an independent state from China, which sources would someone use when describing the articles about Tibet and all Tibetan matters: Chinese or Tibetan. If it is up to Chinese sources, Tibetan views will be hardly heard by the rest of the world.

Republic of Macedonia is a separate state from Bulgaria. In the recent history it was occupied by the Bulgaria partially during Balkan Wars, and World War 1 and World War 2. Bulgaria since 19 century has a policy of assimilation and propaganda towards the people living in current Republic of Macedonia. Those policies has never yielded any results for Macedonians to express themselves as Bulgarians, but mostly has produced some odd policy within Bulgaria. Part of that 19th century Bulgarian Propagandistic Policy that claims Macedonians and all attributes that belong to them are Bulgarians has remained to present days, and Laveol, you are still pushing it. It really do not belong to the present day reality. No official census in Republic of Macedonia since the liberation from the Bulgarian Fascist and German Nazi occupation, has showed any Bulgarian population in Macedonia. People nowadays have the freedom to freely express their nationality. And at any census in Republic of Macedonia ( and since 1944 as part of Yugoslavia ) they expressed themselves as Macedonians.

Bulgarian Sources that claim that Macedonians things have a Bulgarian nature are not acceptable. You do not have any real source from Republic of Macedonia that supports your views.

Keep your editing for the things that you might know and can contribute good information to Wikipedia: Bulgaria. I would like to see you contributing or not reverting the edits about the Ethnic Minorities in present day Bulgaria, as Macedonians, Turks, Vlachs, Romani, and others. Leave those people to freely express them at Wikipedia without constraining what they can put there.

And for Republic of Macedonia, somewhere where you haven't been or without studying and using any source published in Republic in Macedonia, please do not pollute with false claims citing Bulgarian sources. Cite Bulgarian sources for present day Bulgaria is acceptable. For Republic of Macedonia and articles about it, cite Macedonian sources. --Ejanev (talk) 17:05, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * For the last time - there is a source and it comes from his autobiography. You don't like it - fine, but go to a forum instead to an encyclopedia. Nobody cares what you think of him. It doesn't matter what you'd like him to be, but what he thought of himself. And stop the nonsense about the Bulgarian Nationalistic Propaganda - try to adhere to the rules - I've asked you a number of times. Is it so hard to read a few lines and see why your edits are not compatible with Wikipedia?-- L a v e o l  T 00:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Claims that family of Lazar Kolisevski had Bulgarian ethnicity
When someone claims for a Macedonian person to be a Bulgarian, is an offense to the Macedonians, similar or worse when someone calls Bulgarian a Tatar. Kolisevski has always stated he has a Macedonian ancestry. He had done a lot to stop the Bulgarian Nationalistic Propaganda, that claims a lot of aspects about Macedonian Nation to be Bulgarian. These views do not exists in reality. These views are coming from the 19th century Romantic movement of the new Balkan nations, like Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece. After they got independent from the Ottoman Empire in the 19th century, and Macedonia being under the Ottoman rule until early 20th century, all of these neighboring nations had assimilation policies towards the people living in Macedonia. The fruit of this policies were the first and second Balkan Wars when the territory of Macedonia was taken over from the Ottoman Empire and divided between these neighboring countries. And according to the new rulers of these territories, they were inhabited by Serbs, Bulgarians and Greeks. Bulgaria got the smallest part, which was the reason for starting the Second Balkan War. These policies truly belong to the past and should rest in peace there. Macedonian people after the liberation and proclaiming of federal Macedonia as part of Yugoslavia, had for the first time in the recent history to proclaim there Nationality, Language and Culture as they feel it: Macedonian.--Ejanev (talk) 02:36, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You have not made one constructive remark, but simply contined with the rants. I'm not claiming he was Bulgarian, but simply adding his Bulgarian name since his birth name was obviously not the name he later became famous with. This is sourced with not one, but two sources, one of which coming from former Yugoslavia. Your only motive is that you don't like the fact and this is not the way Wikipedia works. For the last time I ask you to stop with the nonsense. -- L a v e o l  T 09:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Laveol: See below the explanation about the Macedonian last names, and some common endings of the last names in the Slavic Languages.--Ejanev (talk) 18:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Macedonian last names and some common endings of the last names in the Slavic Languages
Even last name Kolisev is a Macedonian one. Last names ending with "ev", "ov" are not Bulgarian. It happens that you have those in Bulgaria. But you have those last names in Macedonia, Russia, Check Republic, and so on.

Kolisev is a Macedonian last name. Same is Kolisevski. You can find both kinds with "ov|ova", "ev|eva", "vski/vska", "ski/ska" and others in Republic of Macedonia. So changing a last name from Kolisev to Kolisevski does not have any Bulgarian/AntiBulgarian implications. My last name is "Janev". You can find in Macedonia also "Janevski", "Janeski". All of those are Macedonian last names. The fact that you can have "Janev" in Bulgaria does not translate to ethnicity/origin claims in Macedonia.

Here are some last names that finish on "ov", "ev" and are not Bulgarian neither Macedonian:

[Sergei Lavrov] [Anton Chekhov] [Martina Navratilova]

So these last name endings are typical but not exclusive for some of the Slavic languages. Same is with "vski/vska", "ski/ska", "ich" which are shared between a number of Slavic languages.

To come back to Kolisevski: Kolisevski is a Macedonian last name, as well is Kolisev. If you can find a person living in Bulgaria with one of those last names, and probably you could not, does not gives any conclusion about ethnicity or being a Pro-Bulgarian. --Ejanev (talk) 17:41, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Here is a link illustrating different cases of the Macedonian last names [Macedonians] --Ejanev (talk) 18:03, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Since you continue to read through my text without actually reading it, I'll just post it again and hopefully you won't ignore it this time: You have not made one constructive remark, but simply continued with the rants. I'm not claiming he was Bulgarian, but simply adding his Bulgarian name since his birth name was obviously not the name he later became famous with. This is sourced with not one, but two sources, one of which coming from former Yugoslavia.-- L a v e o l  T 00:23, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Laveol: Read about: Kolisev is a Macedonian Last name, as is Kolisevski. You have detailed description about the endings of the Macedonian Last Names, as also some common endings of the last names in different language from the Slavic group.


 * Do you even intend to read what I write here or I'd better save my trouble on this? -- L a v e o l  T 00:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I read what you have written. The problem is that you don't understand what you are doing. You don't know about Republic of Macedonia and you are not qualified to write about it.

Now just not qualified, but you are also promoting offensive material. Naming Macedonian to be a Bulgarian, or claiming his parents were Bulgarian, or his last name is a Bulgarian is an offense. Same as when someone names you as a Bulgarian to be a Tatar. Please keep civilized. --Ejanev (talk) 00:59, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No, you're not reading - you keep ranting the same things. Why can't you understand that this is not about you or me, but about the person and his right of self-identification. Since he wrote in his autobiography that he was Bulgarian and did it in the standard Bulgarian language and decided to live in Bulgaria, that means something, doesn't it. You're being rather unconstructive and disruptive. You don't wish to really discuss anything and you do not wish to follow the rules of Wikipedia. From all your comments your only wish seems to be to rant about some nationalistic propaganda and how you feel offended by historical facts. I already told you - there are forums for this things and the place for comments like yours is definitely not here. -- L a v e o l  T 09:32, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

It was some time since this last comment. There is no need to go to forum. There is a lot of contributions in English Wikipedia about articles from the domain of Republic of Macedonia that were polluted with Bulgarian Nationalistic Propaganda, that gives Bulgarian nature to the Macedonian Nation|Language|History|Culture. The truth is mixed with false claims from these Bulgarian contributors like "Laveol" - that is the only reason for my actions, and actions of many other contributors from Republic of Macedonia, or Macedonians living abroad.

There was a similar dispute for the state of Israel and Palestine. It is hard to imagine the situation where people from Israel cannot express their view in Wikipedia, but just the contributors from its neighboring states. --Ejanev (talk) 04:25, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case
You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Suspected sock puppets/Ejanev (3rd) for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. -- L a v e o l  T 21:27, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Words of Encouragement to user "Damemk" in the cases of dispute with the users engaged in Bulgarian Nationalistic Propaganda
Damemk, You have come to the same conclusions about Bulgarian 19th Century Nationalistic Propaganda on English Wikipedia. User:Laveol is one of the most prominent editors on Wikipedia contributing false information in the articles about Republic of Macedonia, Macedonian Nation|History|Language|Culture|Sports and what else not. He is spending a lot of time working on his cause, pushing Bulgarian Nature in the articles of the domain of Republic of Macedonia. How far has he gone in pushing this propaganda you can see at WikiProject_ROMacedonia where he has listed himself as a member. So just my few words of concern for the Macedonian Articles in English Wikipedia, and the great damage done by User:Laveol and other users with the Bulgarian and Anti-Macedonian Propaganda. Hopefully with the internet access becoming more affordable to the people in Republic of Macedonia the things will go in right direction: Removing the Bulgarian Propaganda from Macedonian articles, cleaning them of false fabricated information, and giving the facts to the world, and the views of the Macedonian Science and sources. I don't have much time now, but hopefully will be able to find some more in the coming period. I am open to any collaboration|effort for the above goals.

I am expecting that this user "Laveol" will continue with the Bulgarian Nationalistic Propaganda and polluting the domains in the domain of Republic of Macedonia, simply because he is able to, and can find a ways to continue to work on his agenda. Ours is to try to remove these false claims and contribute the Facts about the Macedonia, Macedonian Nation|History|Lanugage|Culture|Sports.

Damemk, I hope you write something here, at least to show that User_talk:Damemk and User_talk:Ejanev is not the same user.--Ejanev (talk) 16:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC)--Ejanev (talk) 15:43, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Some insight into my user name Ejanev
The only user I am using to contribute to Wikipedia is "Ejanev". It is composed of the first letter of my name "Emil" and my last name "Janev". User "Damemk" is a separate user. Probably that user name is comming from "Dame" - a Macedonian First name, and "mk" or the code of "Republic of Macedonia". It does happen that I am from Canada. I was born in Republic of Macedonia and have lived there until I moved to USA first and Canada before more than 3 years.

And yes, having all the false information from the Bulgarian Nationalistic Propaganda ( originating from the 19th century ) and having it into 21st century to be used to negate the Macedonian Nation and all it's attributes by users as "Laveol", is the reason of some of my editing actions in Wikipedia. I am not the only user/editor from Republic of Macedonia or with Macedonian origin that has the same views for this Bulgarian Nationalistic Propaganda, that already is infiltrated in the Macedonian articles. You can watch the contributions of Special:Contributions/Laveol and see that more than 50% of his actions are engagement in negating the Macedonian Nation and its attributes.

--Ejanev (talk) 16:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC)--Ejanev (talk) 15:43, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Blocked
I've blocked you for 5 days for continued edit-warring, sockpuppetry (through User:Damemk) and personal attacks (through ). Moreover, in accordance with the rules of WP:ARBMAC, you are placed under civility parole and a revert limitation for 4 months. This means you are not allowed to make more than one revert on any one page within 24 hours, and you can be blocked any time if any administrator judges that you have behaved incivilly. You are also prohibited from editing while logged out. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:00, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I am really surprised by this. Anyway. I am Emil Janev, with user "ejanev". I have nothing to do with "Damemk" or any other user. Please feel free to request any information from me that might help in identifying me as myself with my user account. I am ready to give/send my email address. It is mentioned that I can contact any administrator by email. So please let me know if there is any e-mail where I can send this or any other required information.
 * About the Lazar Kolisevski page: Lazar Kolisevski is born in Sveti Nikole. That's my birthplace too. I have lived there for almost 30 years. I certainly know well about the people that have lived and live there now. So if there is any way that I can send any information to confirm my case that I am Emil Janev, with user "Ejanev" please let me know.
 * One other thing that comes of my mind is that somehow if "Damemk" is not a real user, but another user masked under "Damemk" I was badly set in this case.

Thanks for your time. Sincerely. --Ejanev (talk) 13:31, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Information about the IP addresses from where I have edited
In this case against me there is an IP address mentioned:

70.54.14.226 I have never edited through that IP address. That IP address is:

bas1-cooksville17-1177947874.dsl.bell.ca

which shows that the ISP is Bell Canada.

Only IPs from where I have done editing is:

207.219.45.62, which is the IP from work. ISP provider here is TELUS.

99.253.197.167, which is the current IP from home. It belongs to ROGERS Canada, which is different ISP provider than BELL canada.

Same for TELUS, is different provider that BELL Canada. I do not have anything to do with 70.54.14.226, which is someones dynamic IP under BELL Canada.

My home IP is dynamic, but is usually on for longer periods of time. for 99.253.197.167, please do

ej.hopto.org is a dynamic DNS name for my private usage. As long as I am with ROGERS Canada, it will always resolve to some subdomain of "cable.rogers.com".

If you need anythine else please do request. I am not associated with 70.54.14.226, nor with any other user name than "Ejanev", which is first letter of my first name "Emil", and my last name "Janev".

Please do take this information into account. Sincerely. --Ejanev (talk) 16:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

It is a sad fact that the truth is meaningless
As I was accused in this case from the user "Laveol" Suspected sock puppets/Ejanev (3rd), it is really a sad fact for everything that happened. I am just looking for the truth, as the actions taken by the two Wikipedia admins in this case were doing the opposite: putting the truth and facts under the carpet.

In the accusation "Laveol" says:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At least three of the users have made similiar edits on the article Ohrid: Damemk and ; Ejanev; 76.64.34.230 -. Damemk have made exact reverts on Gotse Delchev - Looking at the revision history I see even more socks. Another evidence from my talkpage - I got a message from and immediately after one from 70.54.14.226 (twice). Oh, and all IPs come from Canada as did the one from Ejanev's first file here - 207.219.45.62. -- L a v e o l  T 20:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
 * Evidence

Take a look at this sentence:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and all IPs come from Canada as did the one from Ejanev's first file here - 207.219.45.62. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

At User_talk:Ejanev I presented information that I cannot be connected with dynamic IP addresses from different Canadian Internet Service Providers. The IP addresses 70.54.14.226, 76.64.34.230 and 76.66.76.165 belong to Bell Canada ( or Sympatico which is company under Bell Canada ). This provider provides internet through DSL. My ISP provider is Rogers Canada, which provides internet via cable. I don't have much as I have family and work, but in the name of the truth in this case, I can spent more time on this, providing whatever information might be requested by any Wikipedia admin to confirm these statements.

A lot of the information that I provider really is not a good practice for privacy, but irritated by all this scenario I undermined it. For the sake of truth. I am Emil Janev. My user name is "Ejanev". From the user name probably anyone can figure what is my email address ( with any of the big three web mail providers, in order of importance and usage: gmail, yahoo and hotmail ). What else do you need to come to the facts and react to them? Internet Bill? What? It went too far, but as "truth" is questioned, it does not seem that I have many options here. It is not the question about waiting for Jun 1st for the block to expire, but with this last actions, is also simply about truth.

User Damemk: I haven't created this user. I haven't used it. If you are an admin, and have the IP address in the database connected with this users edits, check if those IP addresses are the same ( or belong to the same provider ) as the ones of my user "Ejanev".

And about:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decline=Your edit pattern matches that of. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

What can I do about this fact? Is this not allowed to happen? Ask any editor/contributor from [Republic of Macedonia] or who is Macedonian, if the edits by user "Laveol" or any other user that propagates in Wikipedia or elsewhere that the Macedonian Historical Figures are Bulgarians, what they will say. Do you think that I am the only one person on this world that would characterize those actions as Bulgarian Natinalistic Propaganda, that negates the Macedonian Nation, Macedonian History, Language, Culture,... by identifying them as Bulgarian? If I am the only one, that has that opinion, and moreover creates other users on Wikipedia, than really, we Macedonians do not have right to exists. Please watch closely actions of user Laveol and see if this kind of disagreement will not happen again. Or even better check the history of contributions, and find that this has not happened before, and I am not talking disagreement by "Ejanev" and "Laveol" but other users than "Ejanev" that have longer history of contributing to Wikipedia.

So to just give some point to this "pattern of edits":
 * If two or more editors from Armenia or which are Armenian, have the same views and edit patterns of the Armenian Genocide, and same for two or more editors from Turkey or which are Turkish, have same views and edit patterns for the same thing, isn't this a similar case where myself "Ejanev" and "Damemk" might had similar edit patterns?


 * Editors from Israel or which are Jewish have the same views and edit patterns on Isreal Declaration of Independence, and some Arab editors have their own views and edit patterns, isn't this a similar case where myself "Ejanev" and "Damemk" might had similar edit patterns?

I can go on an on here. The point is: there are many people from Republic of Macedonia that do not like the current state of the articles in English Wikipedia where articles about it, it's history, culture, language and what not, contain Bulgarian Nationalistic Propaganda ( or POV, whatever is the best term to understand. The point is that not every person from Bulgaria negates the existence of Macedonia and it's attributes ). The state with those articles hipotetically is the same as if Ahmadinejad was the main authority in Wikipedia about the Holocaust. This state is provoking and calling for action. If it is not me to challenge it, there will be someone else. Believe me blocking user "Ejanev" will not prevent this kind of disputes with "Laveol" or anyone else that promotes the Bulgarian Nationalistic Propaganda in the Macedonian articles from one side, and Wikipedia editors or users from Republic of Macedonia or Macedonians.

As I said above, request any reasonable information, I'll be glad to provide it. The main reason I am writing this is because the truth is challenged. I am accused of something I did not do, and actions/sanctions were done based on those accusations.

Thanks for your time. My best regards. --Ejanev (talk) 05:09, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Здраво Емил
Прво, сакам да те молам да се смириш малце. Знам дека многу од статиите за Македонци тука се малце заебани, ама навредување на други корисници, било какво мнение имат, не е дозволено тука (WP:NPA). Фрлење на зборови како "Бугарска Националистичка Пропаганда" нема ништо да прави; само прави лошо против тебе (WP:BATTLEGROUND). Изгледа дека беше во право за Колишевски, но треба да се однесуваш со добра воља (WP:AGF) и аргументи за компромис (WP:CONSENSUS). Исто така, треба да се користат добри извори; колку многу што можеш да најдеш (WP:RS). Ако сакаш да придонесуваш тука, само смееш со едно име, без придонесување како безимен корисник (WP:SOCK). Ајде сега, јас ќе те верувам кога викаш дека ти не си Даме, но пази се. Кршење на овие правила ќе доаѓа до повеќе и повеќе блокирање. Те молам за овие дена доколку си блокиран да ги читаш правилата и да мислиш за како да придонесуваш важечки. Те поканувам, после завршењето на блокирањето, да придонесуваш кај неспорени статии за Македонија, и после тоа, ако сакаш, подобри ги спорените статии. Почни си од ново. Ако имаш прашања, ја набљудувам оваа страница, или преку е-пошта можиш порака да ми пратиш. Све најубаво,  Balkan Fever  09:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Zdravo i na tebe
> Прво, сакам да те молам да се смириш малце.

Nema problem.

> Знам дека многу од статиите за Македонци тука се малце заебани, ама навредување на други корисници, било какво мнение имат, не е дозволено тука

Se soglasuvam. Nekoi statii ne se malce, tuku se malku poveke. Ne sum navredil nikoko. Vo celiot ovoj slucaj nesto so beshe navedeno kako navreda beshe od "Damemk", ili od IP do koj jas nemam pristap. Se nadevam deka prochita pogore dake tie IP navedeni vo slucajot pripagaat na drug internet provajder, Bell Canada. Mojot provider e Rogers, koj e konkurent so Bell.

> Изгледа дека беше во право за Колишевски, но треба да се однесуваш со добра воља (WP:AGF) и аргументи за компромис (WP:CONSENSUS). Исто така, > треба да се користат добри извори; колку многу што можеш да најдеш (WP:RS).

OK, se soglasuvam generalno. Samo se somnevam deka moze da se pravi konsensus za raboti kako nacionalnost, posebno so politiki koj go negiraat toa. Celite pregovori za imeto imaat za cel da se najde konsenzus za imeto na Makedonija. Ako istoto se sluchi so drugive komsii, ke treba da se pravi konsenzus za toa kako ni se vika Nacijata, Jazikot i so ti uste ne. Tesko e da se ima i konsenzualna istorija so ovie komsii koga se so e Makedonsko ko prisvojuvaat. Ako ima dobar nacin kako toa da se pravi, i da ima dobar rezultat, poveli predlozi.

> Ако сакаш да придонесуваш тука, само смееш со едно име, без придонесување како безимен корисник (WP:SOCK).

OK, se soglasuvam. Bi sakal da vidam ime i prezime za sekoj user mesto psevdonim. Ne sum koristel niedno drugo ime osven moeto "Ejanev".

> Ајде сега, јас ќе те верувам кога викаш дека ти не си Даме, но пази се. Кршење на овие правила ќе доаѓа до повеќе и повеќе блокирање.

Edna od rabotite sto mi se dopagjaat kaj Albancite: Ako dadesh zbor deka nesto ke napravish, ili deka ne si go napravil, toa se pocituva. Ako ne mi veruvash deka jas nikogash ne sum koristel "Damemk" user, te molam ne pisuvaj poveke tuka. Istoto e i za tvoeto uslovno " Ajde sega, jas ke ti veruvam" - Ako ne si siguren sto da mislish i ne veruvash vo toa so go kazuvam, isto kako da ne veruvash. Samo eden Makedonec li zivee vo Toronto na koj ne mu se dopaga situacijata so Makedonskite artikli vo Wikipedia, koj moze da izreagira na korisnici kako "Laveol"?

> Те молам за овие дена доколку си блокиран да ги читаш правилата и да мислиш за како да придонесуваш важечки. Те поканувам, после завршењето на > блокирањето, да придонесуваш кај неспорени статии за Македонија, и после тоа, ако сакаш, подобри ги спорените статии. Почни си од ново.

Ne sum siguren kolku ke imam vreme. Ovie denovi pominav nekoe vreme citajki nekoi od linkovite so gi predlagash.. Doagja leto, imam familija so dve deca. Obichno nemam mnogu vreme za extra aktivnosti. I koga imam, ima i drugi raboti koi mi go ispolnuvaat toa malku vreme. Ona kade bi mozel da pridonesam vo idnina prvo e artiklot za Sveti Nikole, kade sum i roden. Mnogu malku ima napishano. Taka nastana i celata ovaa rabota so Lazar Kolisevski. Edna licnost e na Wikipedia roden vo Sveti Nikole. Toa beshe povodot da se registriram kako user. Za drugoto ke im ostavam na pomladite. Ne deka sum star, ama rabotata i familijarnite obrski ne ostavaat mnogu prostor za poveke.

> Ако имаш прашања, ја набљудувам оваа страница, или преку е-пошта можиш порака да ми пратиш. Све најубаво. Nema problem. Se nadevam deka go citash ova. Za email, verojatno sfati od tolku mnogu moe pisuvanje koj e. Glaven email me i na gmail. Ako sakash prati email cisto za razmena na adresi. Bi sakal da povrzam ime so tebe tuka. Ne sfativ kade od profajlot na nekoj user mozesh da go vidish e-mailot. Mislam deka toa ne e publikuvano. Popravi me ako gresam.

Moj tekst: Inaku situacijata so Wikipedia e daleku od realnosta. Wikipedia treba da bide model na realnosta. Sega e poveke realnost sama po sebe. Od se so se slucuva, kako ovoj tretiot administratot, me obvnuva za nacionalizam. Koga ke kazesh deka si Makedonec, obvinet si deka si nacionalist. Koga ke kazesh deka nekoj Makedonec e Bugarin, toa pominuva niz site pravila na Wikipedia. Tuka treba seriozno da se raboti od mnogu lugje za da se popravi ovaa situacija.

Pozdrav. Se najdobro. --Ejanev (talk) 15:38, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Za drugite user accounts i IP adresi - te veruvam. Izvini ako se odnesuvav kako da ne te veruvam, toa ne mi beše celta. Nekoi korisnici imat psevdonimi bidejkji ponekogaš zaebani lugje doagjaat tuka. Znam eden korisnik koj si go koristeše vistinskoto ime; beše zagrozen od eden nacionalist i od strav završi so wiki. Posle nekolku meseci dojde so psevdonim. WP:VANISH go objasnuva toa malce. Inači, moeto ime e Aleksandar. Za email, ima eden link na levata strana na ekranot: E-Mail this user. Toa se gleda vo korisinički profajl, no samo raboti so tie koi dozvoluvaat email. Pozdrav.  Balkan Fever  08:05, 30 May 2008 (UTC)